>>148361 you might have clocked it anon… for days I have been contemplating why does EN in not just vtubing but also fandom in general always so shit to be in and ofc, western egocentrism is part of the blame

>>148361 It's the work culture in japan and this is especially true in a company enviroment, they have respect and don't take anything for granted, westerners on the other hand don't know how lucky they are and have no accountability, if you mess up you can simply rebrand and call it a day

>>148361 Probably something with work culture and western individualism not mixing well at all with corporate work environments. I don't think corpos are great by any means, but there's truth to the growing trend of big and small corpo girls jumping ship at the first sign of being unsettled. It's probably easier to bail and play the victim in online spaces as opposed to a real job where you won't receive such a nice cushion. Plus I feel like drama and online content creation are way too intermixed over here. JP has dramafags as well, but the drama culture in the west is just way too strong. This is a side tangent, but it's so funny seeing people only just notice how forced a lot of "drama" is with the Bao and Fallenshadow stuff, calling out how some of the people pushing these things don't even watch vtubers. Like no shit, most of you welcomed these drama vultures into the space when it was convenient for your side, but now you're shocked they stuck around and they're going at anything they can find.

https://x.com/tojiilf/status/1985692434299576520 Its weird seeing the japanese cross that line.

Not sure if posting from reddit crosses the line, delete this post if needed but I cannot fathom oshing those livers and being able to feel positive let alone excited about the current situation lmao I don't think that needs to be elaborated over here.

>>148372 I'm seeing tweets from dragoons and other people trying to shift blame, claiming the fans are to toxic when poor little ikey and selen just wanted to be left alone. The hypocrisisy is just insane man.

>>148372 I'd ignore these people tbh.

I'm so pissed off at all these posts cheering on JP fans speaking out. Like why the fuck are you doing cheerleading instead of speaking out yourself? I've seen people getting pissed off but a lot still just fencesitting and give the most milk toast, neutral opinions imaginable. I hate how loveed our fandom is.

>>148380 They are speaking up, they're just happy its not just them this time. Harder to silence people when its multiple languages caling you out.

https://x.com/112adoy/status/1985568146661744902 I think some people in EN sphere didn't aware why sinosphere pissed off so much is due to this image. He said that he tried to reconcile with Doki past year and while at the same time crying during overture. For sinopshere fans there is some dissonance here. Is he fake? Is he not sincere? So many question but they only get vague answer.

>>148372 Half those people aren't actually fans they're just dramafags interested in the latest episode of their favorite telenovela. I won't claim that there aren't some quilldren who are giddy to see him but the overwhelming opinion seems to be that he's a shit person https://x.com/koh4ru_Sub/status/1985620089006408166

>>148403 I've honestly seen a bunch of people take the pen out of their name, also many clippers that used to clip him just heartbroken except for the one that also clipped Twisty, take that as you will

>>148372 I've seen Aloupeeps in the fan discord celebrating it, some people are just delusional and Ike's statement means everything's fine and it was really just management behind it all instead of him openly attacking the remaining EN livers.

>The main consensus on the EN side right now is to just dig your head in the sand, block everybody and move on While it's more or less healthy response, man, you know you can provide criticism and give backlash to the people that deserve it WITHOUT sending hate message, death threats and slurs? Like you just let people to get away with it scot-free.

Honestly, I don't even know waht he tried achieve with all of this. People that watch Doki won't fucking watch a male vtuber, even if he's "based" or whatever. All of his asian fans won't ever touch even click on his account, and the same goes for a lot of EN fans as well. Like dude came back and threw everything under the bus for 1 person. It's incredibly fucking stupid, even if you approach it through pragmatic business standpoint. I remember Quinn did something similar where he tried to rebrand as a "male oriented" streamer and filtered out all of his asian fans really hard. Didn't end well for him.

>>148493 Music producer for big EN indies is my guess

@Nijisanji_World can we ban Shoto collabs? Thanks

My headcanon is Ike played Silent Hill F in the hiatus and took the Shu Ending as the best ending

>>148495 Kind of stupid because Doki has no influence on vtubing community whatsoever. Hell, she doesn't even have friends or hangs out with other people that much besides Mint, Dooby and those two fags from Holostars. Most of her collaborators are just some random washed up twichfags that she plays Apex with. And honestly, really hard to connect to a person who just plays Apex 80% of the time, does so poorly and yet she will give you shit if you don't play "on her level" and lash out at you. She will always be a loner simply because how toxic and bitchy she is, all the while not being able to handle even slight banter on her expense. Nobody will beef with her publicly (obviously) but she's extremely radioactive and just not fun to hang out with. Implying people will just flood Xandu's inbox with "Nintendo, hire this man" type of messages just because he hangs out with Doki is pretty stupid. But that collab is pretty much stupid anyway as it's a sycophant kissing ass of a huge narcissist. Honestly, looking at Doki and Sayu in particular, I'm still puzzled why they won't stream on fansly at this point. Like sorry for breaking it to you, but all these men don't really watch you for your "epic gaming skills"

I think we always should take the most important message of Berserk: never trust a twink.

Been a few days and I still can't figure out what Ike's gameplan was. Before he left under a veeneer of mystery but people accepted it, he always seemed a little out there, now he's "back" in a sense and its under extreme controversy, first one being a mess involving his ex leaking private things that turned out be a retarded internet slapfight, then that's followed up by streaming alongside Doki, making vague statements and asking for kindness and forgiveness(which I guess doesn't apply to his former "friends"). This ultimately leads to everyone except the most dedicated and giga parasocial quilldren to drop his ass, in multiple languages no less. I just don't get it, did he expect something different?

>>148602 I don't think he had a masterplan or anything like that, I don't even think he was planning to achieve anything in particular, I genuinely think he just wanted peace of mind, cause the constant harassment got to him. The whole internet telling him that he was evil and a backstabber and that Doki did nothing wrong must have gotten to him to a point where he ended up convincing himself that they're right. Or maybe he just really likes Doki. Idk, but for some reason I don't think he had much of a plan. If anything it just makes me appreciate even more the livers that, despite going through way worse harassment than he ever did, are still going strong and never betrayed their ideals.

https://x.com/kaori_cia/status/1986313465242509445 I feel like this pretty much sums it up really well

>>148609 >internet telling him that he was evil and a backstabber Kinda funny because he's literally that now LMAO

Honestly, I fucking hate how all these shitters get away scot-free and all their misbehavior gets justified by "mental health issues" or whatever. Yugo was arguably one of the most mentally fragile people in the company, and they never went on some shitty vindictive train with a jab throwing left at right at their previous company. The same goes for Kotoka. Mental illness doesn't automatically make you a huge piece of shit, nor it should be a justification for acting this way. If anything, these people just use it as convenient shield for any criticism and backlash they receive.

Bro think he's pic related tbh from what I read ITT

>>148662 Well it depends, Lelouch was telling people online how they loved their flat chest and how they look like IRL lolis?

>>148671 Sounds like something Lelouch would say ngl

>>148749 But he would tell them to sit on a wheelchair to get the full siscon experience

Honestly, I think none of this would've happened if Ike was a Teto fan instead of a Miku fan

>>148638 fuuchan was/is also deeply menhera, hell there are probably more menheras who are still good people deep down but because they don't have public melties we don't pay attention to them. >>148907 i don't know how to articulate why you're right but you absolutely are kek

>>148907 >>148909 Somehow I think this post is relevant https://x.com/ObsessedLeek/status/1987589452806717795

Don't really want to shit up main thread with stuff like this, so I might post it here https://x.com/FerumiKaipa This girl is going on an indefinite hiatus and is HEAVILY implying that she got into a big corpo. Too scuffed for Hololive, slopconnect usually poach people with their models nowdays, so Niji is more likely than not. I would rather not to be the case tbh. She's from Twisty's old friend group circle, has tons of /vt/fags in her fanbase and she's in general irony poisoned retard. She's no noname as she did pop up here and there from time to time in /lig/er circles, but her overall demeanor is quite shitty. >How legit is she? Well, she had a collab with Laimu few weeks ago, so she does have connections. >Is she "termination speedrun" type of bad? No, not really. At least, I don't think so. She's more like Vivi, just a le epic 4chan meme girl. I dislike these types, but you might like it. Also, she spilled out a lot during the announcement. Apparently, she goes on a hiatus earlier than she would like to since she has health issue on top of her getting the opportunity. If my conjecture is correct and she's in, a potential new wave of debuts is probably happening around February, as she did say that her health treatment will take around 12 weeks. >Do you have any other clues besides the announcement Well, Marie the orenje follows her. That's odd, just saying. >Any positives, maybe? Well... She has authentic Boston accent, so she outright talks like Scout from TF2. It is kind of amusing, I guess. But all of this is just speculation. Maybe she just got into VAllure and I'm overthinking everything for no reason, we'll see. Not like I expect from the company to hire someone decent lmao

>you know who has left GlitchStars not even 1 year in These people are so fucking stupid lmao. Like a donkey getting dangled with a carrot tier of stupid. Claude's 3D getting announced on the same day is just icing on the cake.

>>148985 now that's funny kek

>>148985 >Like a donkey getting dangled with a carrot tier of stupid Damn, that is ass