>>141041 I also must add that this whole "talent restriction" argument mostly comes from dramatubers, and they use it as a shield to deflect any criticism when it comes to bringing up and covering PL accounts. As in "no, we aren't being freaks and violating personal boundries, what we do is normal and is just the companies being evil and restricting their talents' identities". Do I have to spill out how asinine this whole argument is?

>>141026 I think I have just become disillusioned from the internet in general. AI slop, algorithms, engagement farming, tools that should be used to improve humanity but instead just feed the machine at the expense of people. I feel like the fucking Unabomber sometimes.

>>141029 Yeah. there's a lot of insidious things going on in the JP community too. I guess what I'm looking for is just some form of professionalism from the livers at least. Like, did Vanta need to make that reply in the first place? I didn't even know about his PL until now, what was the point of doing that? It wasn't like he encountered his PL name on-stream where he has to react live or anything, it's freaking Twitter. And if he was just trying to be funny, why double down on it instead of just moving on? Idk, I don't want to criticize him or anything, I like the guy but I'm not his fan in particular or anything, so I thought maybe that's just how it goes for some people. If the liver is okay with it, who am I, a non-fan, to judge, right? It's not that big of a deal. But I'm glad I don't have to think about stuff like that as much as a fan of other people, sorry

>>141024 I was already here before Krisis debuted lmao

>>141058 I don't think anyone who watches would say it's free of worries, just the worst aspects aren't out in the open and endorsed by everyone under the sun, whereas the majority of English public forums are poison. And no, didn't need to interact with it, didn't need to do an unfiltered Marshmallow stream when that can very easily go bad in many other ways, and didn't need to double down really. I'm unsure of what bad gender conversations implies but I'm glad he hasn't gone fully in on that and asked for it to be clipped and shared. I'm also more a casual than consistent watcher of his unlike that other anon, but it makes me think of whether they even consider things being in poor taste or bad form ever? I don't know, not sure if media training would solve anything or if it's a significant difference in fan dynamics or just the character thing simply never coming to mind. Unsure if the common perception of fandom of individuals even makes sense to me nowadays, since it seems more vibes based than what people actually are doing.

>>141011 Yeah no i wasn't trying to be racist, i was making fun of people like you that think that is Japan and you kinda fell for the stereotype, also if people getting models from the same mama they had on their companies is not "wink wink nudge nudge" or even interacting with old co-workers as "complete strangers" out of nowhere then idk what to tell you, open your eyes more? So please, after you give your regards to the fox spirits during your daily prayers in the direction of Fushimi Inari, try to also get that stick up your ass out of it and speak more like you don't know everything because you clearly don't, stop wearing a kimono because Japan is not like that, ok?

>>141058 >>141064 >Don't know the situation >Still have an opinion on it You lads are the top of the top huh. People were literally harassing the person making the original post saying they were gonna get Vanta fired and he addressed it so that people stopped, you don't see the post because the person deleted it, it was an utter shitfest and he probably doesn't want everyone to have that image of his fans so he cut that shit on stream, same for the artist stuff that came right after. Maybe if you watched streams or kept up with the livers you so much like to criticize and call out then MAYBE you'll get a tiny bit of insight on what happened but that would require you to watch streams instead of bitch and moan in the internet forums

>>141151 I'm not the one bringing up samurai my guy, you can't just go "I wasn't trying to be racist" and expect to be taken seriously after you continue that spiel in the next paragraph. Don't need to glorify, idealize, or fantasize a historical construct to understand that people don't care about the origins of things or understand the language and make assumptions out of nowhere. I think a number of people here are more aware of what JP livers are up to. But please, tell us about your proficiency, regular views, and understanding of the timeline and actors involved when the only specifics you're bringing up are random Japanese things you know so you can be more racist about it. Please do follow up on when Lunlun or whoever the hell else that's actively in Nijisanji is going out of their way replying to posts including their previous work, since you're ignoring that aspect that's actually relevant. >>141152 People here know that context, they're criticizing the liver in the first place because they're the ones that manage their audience, choose when/where/how to engage, and what tone is set in their community. And in this case if they give a rat's ass about portraying a character. You're being incredibly obtuse.

>>141152 vanta telling his fans off for harassing the original poster is the least he could do when he brought a huge amount of attention to the tweet by replying in the first place. and this isn't the first, or second, or even third time he's had issues with his fanbase but he still likes to toe the line with them instead of pulling the reins for god knows what reason.

No idea what is going on with this thread but chill out a bit guys. Have a Dancing Yaguruma.

Also Vanta is streaming right now btw

Harada retweeted the president (not our president) what the fuck, he's a real one

>>141337 I'm gonna freak it if he shows up in da streams

>>141341 Wait, return stream already schedule?

>>141342 No but eventually hopefully 🥺

>>141342 No. I think Rosemi is being serious when she's not sure about returning to vtubing or not, at least full time. Her mother sounds like a serious but reasonable parent, its not hard to imagine her saying to Rosemi >I know this means a lot to you, but you have to go out and find a "real" job. This economy is rough and its not going to be easy to rely on the internet to pay the bills.

>>141486 Job stability and VTubing especially the English kind being precarious is one thing, but I don't know how you could watch Rosemi with any regularity and think her mom is reasonable. Lot of instances of her being a textbook scaremongering Facebook boomer down to avoiding her Covid vaccine and being stopped from boarding a plane to go on a trip with her. In what world was her "watch out for Kanye, he's in Japan" a reasonable train of thought. He wasn't in the news for being a sex creep, is going off the political deep end on Twitter something where proximity matters?

>>141486 Anon, why would she ever come back to using that account if she doesn't plan to stream? To just become a vtwitter? That's stupid and not like her

>>141566 nta but Id like to believe these people would understand that vtubing is not something you MUST keep doing until you die. And there is more to life than it after you graduate from the persona you've been using for years. And as that poster said, redebuting? In this economy? A rational persona would think twice before jumping it like some star struck dreamer like one of those "hollywood dream" people in the 50s. But sadly most vtubers are the complete opposite of rational and are ironically more "parasocial" and addicted to the gig than some schizo fans.

tired of people treating our livers as punching bags then mocking them when they actually complain about it because of course it's our livers that have to be "mature and professional" and just fucking take the abuse because they're public figures and somehow that justifies the harassment. most of these fucking morons wouldn't even dare saying it to their faces without the veneer of anonymity

>>141615 Did something happen recently?

>>141615 I really admire our livers man, they've been so strong, most people would've crumbled hard if they had to endure half of what did. >>141618 I'm guessing it's about enna, she had a very justified rant in today's stream about dramafags and people who keep feeding into them.

>>141621 I watched that Enna tangent and didn't even livepost about it to minimize attention to it as much as possible so I'm a bit worried it's about her that's why I asked just to check. I just checked the VOD and saw 2 comments calling her out for that tangent so I guess someone has already been spreading it so there's little point hiding it now. But as I refreshed the page the 2 comments disappeared. To give a bit more context the reason why she brought that stuff up in the first place was because a lot of peeps in the meet and greet said really encouraging things to her more so than usual and she felt that it's because of the stuff that happened in the past year. She concluded the talk by repeating how she doesn't want any of her own fans to engage with those people and that she will call her own fans out if she sees it.

I went to check again and someone commented a long ass rant about what she said man I need that cover and new outfit to come out asap to distract me from this lmao.

>>141566 nta but i still think she's unsure about currently returning and thinking of whether she truly still loves streaming but this is the same girl who doesn't like using twitter. she would definitely use it as a soul account instead of making a new one.

>>141621 >rant Calling it a rant is misleading, she was very calm when talking about it and made sure to make it very clear that harassing people and spreading hate is wrong. "Rant" trivializes it, nothing she said was out of line or inflammatory, and she expressed herself with as much empathy and grace as you could expect for the situation.

>>141488 Her mom being overly paranoid about vaccines and warning Rosemi about Kanye like he's Godzilla in Japan is one thing, but when she has a daughter like Rosemi she may have some good reason for being overprotective of her. >>141566 It's not that she's thinking about becoming a vtweeter, she wasn't the most avid Twitter user either in Niji. I guess I should clarify that I don't think she's thinking about never streaming again ever, but her situation in life probably changed to a point where she can't make it a full-time priority either. Especially with how last year she was with a terminally ill family member IIRC, and that's with her migraines on top of that.

>>141631 Our livers are way too nice tbh. I know it's "the right thing to do" but man, I do wish they would just be more hateful towards these scumbags and would just told them to fuck off and eat shit. Sloptubers do this all the time and everybody calls them based for that. I know they are just good people, but the whole "be better and just take the harassment" rhetoric is so defeatist and makes me feel like shit

>>141625 If that's the case, I wish she would just make a brand new online personality and just told people "if you know, you know" Like Millie did instead of going back to her PL account which just gives bad actors more ammo to attack the company yet again >>141642 I can't verify most of this stuff as, I admit, I haven't actively watched Rosemi in the past 2 years but if that's the case, guess she decided to semi-retire due to personal reasons. Good for her I guess. Not that I don't want her to stream anymore, but I would rather let her take it easy than give shitposters weird ideas that they saved her or whatever

>>141659 I'm glad Enna is like this, I don't want my oshi becoming a lolcow who gets baited into flaming antis. She says these things for the sake of her community, not to own the haters, and I'm proud that she's grown so much as a person since her debut. If you want to wage war then you do you, but leave Enna out of it.

>>141672 I'm just tired in general of livers being treated like punching bags, that's it. No need to play Jesus all the time. If you tell retards to fuck off, nobody in your audience will be upset by it.

https://x.com/rosemilkstudio/status/1966238060330561560 I'm happy with this post however it got me to think how opportunity works in Nijisanji at all.

https://x.com/LichVtuber/status/1966493376372449497 Owh I'm glad Vshoujo died

>>141913 >Vshojo died >We get collabs with Froot Monkey's paw

Seeing stuff that has the whole branch in it, like an MV, always has me thinking how many people are gone. I always think, no way that was everybody, but I go back and check and it was everyone.

>>141961 kinda glad I'm not the only one who felt that. made the MV felt a lot more bittersweet to me, despite the pretty upbeat tone