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As stated by someone I geniunely think anycolor should start hiring people who had experience in real life job like office desk works. As proven by terminated livers, all of them are piss manbabies who has never experienced working in office and having to communicate well with your co-workers

>>125651 But anon, if they hired people who had some experience, how could they exploit them to do something without proper compensation and rest?

>>125652 honestly this is not me saying anycolor is all sunshine and rainbows, but their policy is imo much better than the company i had experienced with (putting aside perms)

Still no announcement, congrats, we have our own Chae Ara LMAO

>>125663 It just seems like the right call not to just make it a silent departure. This situation just one big can of worms.

>>125704 Nah, everyone is happy she's no more and the people who cared were just waiting for the notice to drop to celebrate while others just wanted it to drop to go harass others, i'd rather there being no notice and just disappear her like nothing happened but they'll probably have still to address the Aster thing even with her not here

I hate when I'm right >>34531. Sounds hypocritical as a chan user myself, but the people who are so openly like this are usually terrible people.

>>125719 Well yes, ironic lolicons should always be shot

>>125724 NTA but that's not ironic though which is the worst part. I don't know what was her deal pandering to loli in the west and then complaining she didn't get enough visibility, how the fuck do you advertise something like that?

>>125725 That is the ironic lolicon tho, the ones who scream they are a lolicon, how much they love Blue Archive even if they haven't played the damn thing, she even had a list of oshis just because they were loli models or loli adjacent that she never watched a single second of, it's not about actually liking lolis but telling everybody how much you like them. Also i will not accept someone who doesn't accept lolis with short hair, she literally said it becuse it was the """based""" thing to do

>>125651 If you believe Zaion, she used to work in tech companies and wasn’t Gundou a teacher? I don’t think having prior working experience is a good indicator.

>>125734 They should also ask applicants for references (professional and personal contacts) so they can verify their background and character. And yeah I get vtubing is a very private career but this is how you properly screen people and prevent bad eggs from getting in

>>125728 It's the stupid 😭 emoji that /ba/ggots and ironic lolicon facebook groups keep spreading Also, BA is astroturfed to hell and I feel like I live in a fucking psyop when people act like it's the hottest shit when literally half the characters look like off-brand versions of each other

One annoying thing about this is now there's a whole new wave of people I have to mute on Twitter because everyone wants to throw their own two cents of bad takes out there.

I just want to watch vtubers without worrying about them being insane and trying to burn everything on the way out.

>>125651 Zaion had a job before, was a complete retard. Not a terminated liver but Vivi straight up had a daytime office job while being in Niji, and she wasn't that competent to say the least. idk how much job experience will help when you're complete incompetent retard. Western society in general doesn't function on merit at all and every job field is filled to the brim with low quality highers altogether. Still, our livers aren't doing nuclear science here, so the fact that such low quality highers that can't even just stream as an anime person on the internet gets a pass is just puzzling. Like people talked to them heads on face to face through several audition rounds. How nobody questioned their adequacy and merit at all? >>125744 JP side fixed this issue by getting people through VTA first where they get training and proper background check. Sadly, it feels like for a lot of people that left Niji, EN was their VTA. Like they are more competent and have better approach to PR and content creation in general (Majority, of course. There are shit people like Zaion, Kyo, Mysta etc. that clearly learned jackshit and are even worse than they were before, but those are more exceptions to the rule). >>125663 Man, don't compare this to that KR girl. She probably just silently graduated before the branch merge and got stuck in a legal limbo behind the scenes. Even her accounts weren't privated or anything, they are still up with some cover iirc. Here we have a retard that was loud and clear about hatred of the company, with loud proclaim that she was sexually harassed by another liver, together with direct breakage of NDA. Her accounts are nuked at this point. One is "yeah, weird, but who cares?", this one damages the branch to its core. The whole situation is weird as fuck since it's not like management required to shut down accounts right away. Probably some miscommunication issue as the main account went silent too (not even daily clips or merch updates or anything). I do hope the proper statement will be release rather soon. Not like she'll keep herself silent anyway. Regarding Aster, well, his stream was set up for Iluna anniversary, right? We'll see what will happen then. I in general don't really want this hanging with retards saying how the company is protecting a sexual harasser who rapes all the girls in the company off-stream or whatever, it's fucking gross. And fans all over the place are feeling upset too by the uncertainty

>>125796 I was always shocked at how awful Vivi's audio set up was. It was like she was playing audio through a pair of broken headphones via a speaker.

I think my only pet peeve with the fact that we have so little all girls collabs is it feels like every month theres a group multicropo among us-like collab but most off the girls in niji rarely collab with other corpos or indies on the same scale unless its in mixed gender stuff like the random apex here or there which are fine but it does feel kinda unfair that the boys can easily pull a "all boys collab" without calling attention to it. Its frustrating seeing birthday totsus and going "Holy shit she knows her? I would have never known." and then you never see them collab or interact unless its a random post on twitter. Not really pulling my hair out over so little all girls groups playing friend slop games every month but stuff like small corpo events where none of Niji show up do kinda bum me out since it feels solely on their reputation to me. At this point I sorta know only newer girls would go out of their way to collab with people like twisty sorta did but even then it was just her and not really pulling others like Rosemi or Elira into a group of girls they never met before which is sorta what I'm really missing. Thought I'd post it here since this is what its for.

24 hours later and the official twitter acc is completely silent. It's not even about the notice or whatever, there're no updates at all, no merch announcement and such either. They even skipped daily clips yesterday.

>>125869 The Selen stuff played a huge part in that, most of those indies/corpos want nothing to do with EN sadly, and I imagine a lot of them just stay away from them just to ensure they don't get shit.

>>125869 We're down to 12 girls now in EN and most of them fall into either the "no interest in connecting with girls outside Nijisanji" group or the "too shy / too busy to connect with girls outside Nijisanji" group. And then of course the specter of the Selen incident like the other anon mentioned.

>>125873 I remember there was a collab with VspoEN (not Ryoma) and their fans sperged out because Elira was there

>>125895 Yea, she had to change the schedule and just put she was having a collab but not the participants

>>125894 I remember Finana said she wanted to form a girlies group with Hazumi, Narin and I think Riko iirc, but nothing came of it in the end, she probably just had the idea and then forgot, it would've been fun

It seems some anon on twitter already that Reimu is giving out hint. Unfortunately, that means dramafag also become aware.

>>125966 Yeah a fucking tourist that then cried because people called him tourist, we knew that she was graduating for a LONG time but kept silent about it because we wanted to have normal streams but now the graduation tourists that only care for a liver when they are graduating are gonna fucking swarm her and i hate it

Kinda sad. I think it might look a little suggestive if they're put together...

>>126080 I totally forgot about the one year merch.

>>126080 It kinda makes you think it was made with the worst case scenario in mind tho LMAO

>>125966 I hope the retard is happy, the dramatubers are already making videos of her, talking about how she "bullied" Twisty and other stuff while at it too. Tourists need to be fucking executed i fucking swear and all the other retards defending him saying "hurr durr you don't need a minimum amount of hours watched to oshi someone" should fucking kill themselves too

>>125660 >Anonymous

>>125873 >>125894 The Selen situation certainly accelerated it, but honestly the biggest failure on the part of EN management has always been losing Nina and Pomu. The female side of the branch is just completely rudderless without those two to organize collabs, there simply isn't anyone around that's willing or able to step into their shoes. Events and opportunities for the remaining female livers is cool, and perhaps were necessary to restore confidence among the existing fanbase, but they do little to actually bring in new audiences or generate public goodwill. BtB were great hires, but debuting an all-male wave after all the attrition of female livers has only exacerbated the issue and the lack of course correction is exhausting. Anycolor unironically needs to accelerate the debut of female livers with an all-female wave who can collab with each other and other female livers and restore Niji's reputation as a mixed-gender branch instead of leaning so heavily in a single direction.

>>126271 Nina I kinda get, but Pomu rarely ever organized collabs, let alone all-girls ones. By her own admission she was pretty bad at reaching out to others for collabs. I don't know where that weird revisionism came from. And I also don't get this obsession with all-girls collabs in the first place, that's not the kind of content Niji does and there's nothing wrong with it.

>>126276 You're calling me a revisionist when you say that Niji doesn't do all-girls collabs? The girls would do plenty of collabs together, and Pomu was the glue that held things together and facilitated their interactions. Just look at how little Finana and Elira collab nowadays compared to two or three years ago. Not to mention how instrumental she was in organizing cross-company collabs and branch-wide covers. And even outside of her own actions, her fanbase was one of the most active in promoting NijiEN as a box. You can hate Mint all you want but acting like losing Pomu wasn't a huge loss for NijiEN and the female livers in particular is just sticking your head in the ground.

>>126266 >rachit Wow tourist much?

>>126279 >look at how little Finana and Elira collab nowadays compared to two or three years ago This isn't true though. They still collab a lot, and they seem closer than they've ever been, you seem to be the one sticking your head in the ground. I think that's just your bias talking man, it's okay if you miss her but don't go around making shit up to suit your narrative.

>>126279 >>126282 see this is why ranting about “what went wrong” geniunely wont go anywhere because we have a very skewed perception when it comes to our oshis. I can see the angle with pomu help facilitate more all girls collab, but calling elira and finana not close in this time of year is blant false

This better not turn into the dramanigger thread.

>>126289 I thought this was the thread where we post out finana amogus pics

>>126289 If it goes too far you can still report stuff, i can see the pomudachi up there going fucking schizo when they get to reply so you are advised

>>126276 >And I also don't get this obsession with all-girls collabs in the first place, that's not the kind of content Niji does This isn't really true. The co-ed makeup of Nijisanji allows all-girls, all-boys, and mixed-gender collabs to co-exist and thus appeal to different audience demographics and tastes. Main branch has a roughly 2:1 female-to-male gender ratio, so you're statistically more likely to have all-girls collabs there compared to EN where the ratio is reversed. Sometimes those of us with female oshis are just in the mood for an all-girls collab, that's all it really comes down to.

>>125966 >>126060 >>126264 Ok, no offences, but this is ENTIRELY Reimu's fault. Just keep your mouth shut like literally everybody else instead of giving huge ass fucking hints, both on stream and on your PL account. Graduation baiting is qualified as NDA violation btw, so I really fucking hope she won't get suspended or even worse for that. And no, I don't think it's because of some local tourist or whatever. I saw clips all over twitter of Reimu saying all that dumb shit today (good faith clips, btw. By actual Niji fans that stumble upon this shit while watching her streams) + her PL account was trending too (and she never was hiding that account to begin with). I really expected better from her, but heavily implying that you're graduating for almost a month at this point on almost every fucking stream is just incompetent as fuck. Turn off your shitty parasocial inhibitor off, your fans won't fucking die when you announce your graduation properly. especially when you have a huge ass PL account that is active.

>>126309 Yea I dropped my membership, I was aware of what was happening elsewhere but to be that blunt? I'd rather just get surprised, don't see the point in supporting someone who isn't going to be there anymore.

>>126306 >Sometimes those of us with female oshis are just in the mood for an all-girls collab, that's all it really comes down to. That sounds reasonable but there are plenty of all-girls collab that has happened before that apparently "don't count" simply because a guy got involved mid-stream (either by appearing in the stream or in chat). The reality is, all-girls collab in Niji is not the same as all-girls collab in other corpos, and that's completely fine.

It's the same fucking movie hosting Pomudachi gender war shithead, there's never a good faith post from them. Give the single gender (women or men) collab beggers an inch and they'll take a mile and never be happy. Can't just say, "would love to see Maria invite Meloco and Petra to hang out and do something since they're all in Japan." Gotta cover it by being like, "oh EN livers who left were responsible for the stuff I like while I ignore everything since then" in an incredibly revisionist way and not actually watch JP but bring them up anyway. And ya, Reimu has seemed to never gotten a handle on music and game perms or how to handle finances or even her own health so I wouldn't be surprised if she left, but I have zero respect for vague posting nonsense and am pretty tired of how she's handled things for a while. Responsible adults shouldn't be a rare commodity.

>Complaining about the thread being a bad faith genderwar thread while taking it as an opportunity to shit on Reimu You people have no self-awareness.

>>126388 Not the thread, one single anon who loves shitting up here and half chan by pretending to be multiple people and can't read a post without misinterpreting it. The thread was started up because of Twisty discussion taking up and derailing the EN one, as long as it's venting and about how people handle things instead of making shit up I don't see how that's an issue. I've watched Reimu for a long time, I'm simply tired of nonsense. But please, continue to talk about "you people" as the tenor of the conversation is attempted to be set by a literally mentally unwell repeat offender.

>>126373 Unironically Zuttomo doesn't count because together they're too whiny, bitchy, gossipy and stupid in an uncute way. Too unprofessional as well I'm still bothered by how loud they're were eating during the Mario Wonder collab lmao.

>>126435 >all girls unit >”rrahhh it doesnt count bcs muh cute girls!!!!!!” Stfu you dont see girls compain when all guys collab is being loud

>>126373 Guy showing up in chat is whatever, but guy showing up in stream can be a dealbreaker, depending on context. One example I can think of is that time there was a Valorant collab advertised as all-girls with Elira, Millie, Maria, Scarle, and Kotoka, but Scarle never showed up, they played one round as a four-stack, and then Uki joined for the rest of the stream since they couldn't find any other girl available to play. Unfortunate situation that sucked, but they kinda made up for it a few months later with two all-girls Valorant collabs of Elira, Finana, Millie, Reimu, and Maria. So yes, sometimes it "doesn't count" but it is what it is. There was a time where I wished the livers would be better at reading the atmosphere in regards to single vs mixed gender collabs, but I think they've gotten better at it now. Maybe.

>>126388 I don't hate Reimu at all, but what she's doing is unprofessional and incompetent as fuck. How the fuck somebody like Mysta was able to get his mouth shut even though he was planning out his graduation for over half a year, meanwhile Reimu is giving outright not just subtle hints, but outright saying "I'll miss you guys" and "this is not the end" type of shit on PUBLIC STREAMS, combined it with her producing content on her PL account again (which she never was hiding to begin with and was always referring to Nijisanji stuff there). This is just incredibly unprofessional on multiple levels that nobody in EN has done so far. Also, you know that guy is professional shitposter when he says that "Zuttomo collabs don't count as girls collabs" lmao. Watch him pull out shit like "Selen and Pomu collabs were the only REAL girl collabs" next. Honestly, idk why mods didn't ban this retard already. On serious note, our girls just don't really vibe with each other that much to have full-blown girl collabs. Feesh prefers to hang out with Wilson and Claude, Elira, Rosemi, Iluna girls and Klara don't like collabs in general and collab with people once in a blue moon, and Meloco mostly hangs out with JP people, that pretty much it. I, of course, think girls would collab if somebody pull all of them together (besides Scarle, she is only capable interacting with groomers on text chat at this point), but there's no people to pull this off. Nina could, but she preferred to collab with Luxiem and Mika, and Pomu could, but she preferred to only hang out with the same 3 people and hated branching out in general. That's pretty much it. The early girl collabs from 2021 were really there just for show and it's really hard to branch out or be alone when there are just 6 people in the branch, have to interact to not feel awkward. I will also add that Selen being some kind of girl unity promoter is the biggest case of shitposters revising history. The only girl that Selen liked to hang out was Pomu, that's it. She hanged way more with Vox and Ike and those 2 Holostars guys. She also straight up had seen no point in hanging out with other girls unless they are SUPER GOOD in Apex (nobody was on her level, so she disregarded everybody), or had big noombers (the only one who had noombers on her level was Pomu). Cuckchan in general had some kind of bizzaro perception of Selen that never represented who she really is, but, in the end, the fat cunt ended up just moulding herself up in the shape that people expected her to be just to get off to her appreciation kink that she has.

Guess it's officially confirmed now that EN official accounts are on a lockdown. Neither YouTube nor Twitter have posted Meloco's 3D announcement. Won't speculate about it, but shit's bad

I guess aster's 3D is now lost media, along with the cut footage from the AR live show. >>126552 Its for the best, you just know its gonna be retards spamming nonsense.

I want to speculate. I assume someone who is responsible for Niji EN overall is the same one who handle the twitter. I also assume that this position right now is empty.

>>126556 Aster's announcement is still set for Iluna's anniversary, so we'll see

>>126559 I think they just learned their lesson following the Selen shit, they don't want a repeat of it. What they're doing is unironically the right call, let time pass, let her fade into obscurity, let fans enjoy things. In the end, nothing EN does will change their perception to the broader western community, hell I saw a message that basically said "Twisty will leave niji and become a better person, but Nijisanji will always be bad." And I'm sure others share that same thought. Them releasing some long termination letter would just rile up the hate train again, and to many innocent livers would get caught in it.

The official announcement already out. Reading from the comment, I don't like where the community is going right now.

>>126657 my dude, the vtuber community is shit, you can thank the other board for that, just look at the pic from >>126610. They're so confident they're the good guys they're behaving like animals even in real life.

>>126670 I think there is misunderstanding here. When I said community, I refer to Nijisanji En community.

>>126610 Many people told me that OffKai REEKS so it's really no wonder it smells that bad with the kind of people that congregate there

>>126672 bold of you to assume even half of the people commenting under the announcement are nijifans

>>126674 Buddy... I refer to Nijisanji EN community. Please.

>>126675 I think he understands anon, but I will bet all the money I don't have that 90% of the people responding aren't niji fans. They're just dramatards looking for their next fix, hell just look at how samey all the replies are, like they're reading from the same script. A short notice that flips the script on her and puts the spotlight on that racist rant she'd rather forget is the best outcome here. Let the drama idiots burn themselves out, life goes on.

>They are truly trying to get a community note saying Uki is also a racist for the white people jokes My fucking sides, they could've made anything that looked more credible but they went the retarded chud route with this one KEK

>>126675 >>126710 Don't want to pull "no true scotsman", but all actual Niji fans that I follow immediately disallowed her. Especially her own fans (actual fans, the types that did her commissions and such, not groomers), immediately deleting the oshi marks and handlers and such. Nobody that I followed went "well, actually" or "not a big deal". Some retards did brought up whataboutisms regarding Aster, but those were really few since he isn't really relevant to her schizoing out. I personally never read EN Twitter comments for over a year now, nobody posts there anything in a good faith, it's all shitposters and bad actors. >>126610 Offkai is a fucking shitshow that is organized by actual anti-woke chud grifters who astroturfed themselves by buying out artists, big indies, Phase Connect and promoting themselves as "THE BIG VTUBER CON". Remember how they actually tried to organise a panel with rev say desu and kirshe, only for their own volunteers (cheap fucks have no regular workers btw) getting a revolt and threatening to boycot the con, which resulted in them playing up the "we don't like hate speech and problematic people btw" part and kicking them out. They don't really have any pride or principles in what they are doing, they are literally just grifting out the whole western community, and the fact that people on mass are still falling for the grift really pisses me off. Oh yeah, not to mention reported orgies and fuck a fan fests organised by all those shitty /lig/ers that happen backstage. Everybody knows that but just roll with it. Tons of people just go there to get your dick sucked during SuperCunny2008 M&G. >>126729 pls understand, saying "white people can't cook" is REALLY racist!

I saw Saba got heated on. Kinda glad Official Nijisanji EN didn't giving a flair when they give out the announcement about Twisty.

>>128738 Tbh the planets aligned on our favour, we had 2 days of people attacking on Aster and Niji but then they changed focus on to Vshojo imploding and Holo vs indies so we can finally say that NijiEN did A GOOD PR MOVE by just saying "we kicked her out because she was racist" with no big announcement and that was it

>>128818 tbh we got lucky because Twisty is an extremely fucking unlikeable person. Like how can you even defend somebody who outright said "my fans are retarded, they don't even donate to me enough for me to stream", not to mention that she got a beef with some small corpo girl out of thin air just because she put a trans flag in her bio. Nobody wants to defend her. Not her fans, not her ex-friends. Not even dramafags as she even got a beef with them, making twitter threads about how much she hates them. Really fucking hard to bipedal with some shitty victimhood complex out of this. The only people that still want to support her after all of this are genuinely fucking stupid people that believe everything she said despite how shady and untrustworthy she is. I don't want to talk about holo too much as all of this is off-topic even by off-topic thread standards. All I'll say is the "only Holo can give you numbers" myth that poaching beggars really loved to force back in the day has just shattered completely. And regarding Vshojo, relying solely on poaching won't get you anywhere in this industry.

When all the lackluster new merch sells poorly are they gonna get the message or make next year's merch even worse... I've been seething because I'm a Krisis fan, the discrepancy between fan support on the JP and EN sides really hurts... It just feels like japanese fans are always gonna be more consistent/loyal, what's wrong with the western community... But idk if pandering to japanese people helps much outside of literally being meloco because I feel like they'd prioritize buying JP branch stuff

>>129965 Yeah I get. This is fuck up situation. Fan don't buy merch because it is not interesting. Company makes unexpensive merch because past low sale. It is fuck up.

>>129965 Yeah, it's definitely a step down compared to last year's merch. I dont know if they did this because of last year's sales or because they didnt want to put in effort into merch that'll get tariffed to shit under Orange Man, resulting in low sales.

>>129965 Idk merch Looks good For me the 2 proxybuyer i use only accept order from Japan, not even my neighbour Thailand

2800 in chat now. The thing with getting your zatsu reccomend is you got 1 randos every minute saying hi demanding response or else they keep saying hi. Inui said she pick chat to read by squinting her eye. The thing is this also happen to under-100 live viewers indie i watch. The implication is just saddening

I'm posting in this thread not to engage with whatever schizo discussion that's currently ongoing here, but to vent about the wider vtuber community after recently remembering a certain vtuber and searching her up, only to see her getting shilled on *that* subreddit. I wish people had the self-awareness not to post in hateful places like that when their supposed oshi has suffered exactly because of pointless tribalism and reckless hate... It just pisses me off since she's such a sweet girl who doesn't deserve to get dragged into drama by agenda-pushing assholes like that. I wish I could give that poster a piece of my mind, but I know that would make my oshi sad, so I won't. At least I can find solace in the fact that despite the shilling, EOP drama tourists would never have the attention span to stick around for that other vtuber's streams and poison her wholesome community. The fact that the search engine algorithm is so tainted by that godforsaken sub still fills me with sadness though.

https://x.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1944970271783575605 Good riddance? What a shame

>>131474 I know some people talk about how his fans won't be happy, but did Aster have fans at all? I'm not trying to poke fun at him because I know there's always been Nijis with small fanbases/NOOOMBERS, I even like watching some. But its not like he really integrated much with NijiEN proper, it just seemed like he just angrily played esports games.

>>131497 yes, plenty, but they've also been immediately spoonfed his new account because there was always a man on the inside. they're mostly accepting of this outcome from what i've seen

>>131474 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09vVF-Hvykg

>>131310 Not sure what you're talking about, but my advise is to not engage with anybody on Reddit period

>>131497 No shit he has fans even when the only streams I've watched were his Elden Ring DLC streams I could tell he had his own group of dedicated regulars.

Japanese schizoids make no fucking sense. Do you really think dogeza is some untouchable untainted sacred act? I fucking hate this stupid holier than thou passive aggressive shame culture.

>>131566 Yeah I don't get this. Why JP so sensitive with dogeza. This is just same when KR fan throw hissy fit during booba pape trend.

>>131566 No fucking way they took a piss on pio’s 3D… I hope this is only a minority when they have something like this https://youtu.be/XspDkqEtWFE

Eden 4th anniv 238k view A 11 minutes clipping of it 140k sigh

Why arent they solving the concert perm issue fast…? is there any updates at all?

>>132679 email them about it

>>132679 >>132718 It's up again, if you saw the watchalong staff were already on it and messaging them about it when the stream was still ongoing. Just takes a while to get through record labels over the weekend when all the takedown stuff is automated. This turnaround was pretty quick in comparison to a number of them, including 3D debuts. Best bet to not get hit is to avoid anything Sony or King Records since those seem to be the most common, even after going through the proper planning procedures and knowing ahead of time it might happen.

Welp, we have less competition on the EN market now. Nothing of value was lost. Honestly, it would be a great opportunity to build up some goodwill at the moment and debut a new wave or at least to do some big event, I feel like people in general will have more positive reception towards any new stuff that we'll put out now.

>>132958 Ehhh worst case scenario at least nobody is talking about Aster anymore so it's a win

>>132960 I don't even know what there's to talk about Aster, considering the company did what people demanded them to do

Now that the drama vultures smell blood on Vshojo, we have some confirmation on something that everyone had always been suspecting: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2519760383?t=0h14m59s Wigger confirms that Vshojo was trying to poach several members, so he graduated and then they proceeded to rugpull his wigger ass Good riddance

>>132965 Tbh i'm not surprised, has been calling out that behavior of them long before it was confirmed but now i have full backup to say they were a shady fucking bunch, actual clique behavior poachers, it feels so good that they are fucking dead so they can stop being an active harm to NijiEN

>>132965 I still don't believe that they had any genuine interest in poaching him specifically. They were probably weighing their options, and by the time they snagged Kuro they realized >We already have one of the most popular male vtubers, why settle for less? It's still funny that Vshojo spectacularly fell apart the way it did though. I thought people thought people would just lose interest.

>>132965 i guess if we're touching on this formerly zaion apparently claims that the entire idea to poach niji en members was her's (and then they rugpulled her too) this is a fantastical story, to say the least.... https://x.com/sayusyn/status/1947833717374046587

I'll just say that the entire Vshojo existence was always just buffing to me >80% donation cut >Big events >Big merch collaborations >Talents produce their own merch and operate it independently I just wondered where the fuck they have all the funds and how they even make profit because on paper, it doesn't seem feasible. Turned out, they didn't make any profit lmao. Scam awareness 101: if it is too good to be true, then it isn't true. >>132969 Kind of sad how all of these losers will get away with it and will just put Gunrun as an ultimate scapegoat. Ironmouse, Kson and the others were fully aware of what was going on and all of their machinations, it only became a problem for them after they were the ones who got rugpulled. "I was tricked into signing the contract" my ass. >>132965 >>132976 Irrelevant people trying to make the current event all about themselves, what a shock. The protagonist syndrome in Zaion's case is fucking hilarious, whom did you try to "save"? I don't even want to complain about poor hiring process from management at this point, it's so tiresome and literally the sole reason why the branch got damaged so much.

>>132979 Ultimately, yeah. Vshojo isn't outlier, there will always be corpos that poach people. It's up to the talent to not fall for it. That is also the reason that I will never feel bad for all of those idiots that fell for Vshojo's scam

Statement from another ex-liver https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgde3wglIJ4

Quite insane that the whole company basically turned out to be a fucking Pyramid scheme in the end. In retrospective, tons of red flags were there, but as the scheme itself suggests, the amount of participants gives it legitimacy despite obvious shadiness It might as well be the biggest scam in the history of entertainment industry because, you know, they partnered with tons of people from Good Smile to Anime Expo and beyond. Genuinely wonder how it will affect vtubing scene in the West

>>132997 You know what, I’m increasing ok with us being the pariah of the vtubing community

I am completely in the dark on this, what is happening.

>>133004 Once upon a time, there is company called Vshojo. They spread their gospel that they give the ultimate talent freedom. Fast forward now, the boss stole charity money and talents are not being paid at least for 10 months.

>>133006 I see. >an entity says they will never do A, does A behind the scenes and gets outed for it Many such cases. I personally see it as karma for poaching the livers.

>>133006 Also some ex-liver said they were poached by them and others got their debut in hold fir month or got ghosted

>Ask manager for candy >"Wah wah manager won't give me candy!" >Shady man in an alleyway tells you they'll give you tons of candy if you leave your job, look at how much candy they even promised your friend! >Nobody has candy yet but they'll get it soon™ >Leave your job >Badmouth it on the way out because that's a prerequisite for getting the candy >Backstab your ex co-workers because candy is better than them >Work on your own like a retard with the promise of candy hanged over your head for years >"Oops candy never existed, see ya" I can't feel bad for any of the ex-livers, honestly i feel like they were all fucking cunts to begin with and just needed the push to show it properly. This experience only served to sour me on them a whole lot more except for the ones that left for personal reasons

>>133010 ENIGMA has plenty of candy, happy flower candy lmao.

I got this hypothetical scenario in my head. If Nina was not poached by Gunrun, will she stay? Or she will not stay due to angry luxnox mobster?

>>133012 Doubt it

>>133012 I think there was a chance she might have stayed on for a bit longer because it felt like things were turning around for her before she graduated and Luxiem lost a lot of their immature fanbase after their first anniversary.

>>132976 Sheds some more light on XSOLEIL, everyone else was trying to make the best of it but she was already convinced she had the golden parachute and tried to poach them. That's why Kotoka said what she said.

>>133012 I lean towards yes. She was regaining her popularity by just playing in general stuff she was expected to play. Unless she was making 1 collab per stream for an extended period of time it would have been smooth sailing

>>133010 I still feel bad for Doki, as controversial as she is in quite a few Niji circles. To date she is one of the few NijiEN talents that shittalked the branch the absolute least, especially compared to those affiliated with Vshojo.

>>133113 I have zero sympathy for people who don't try to wrangle their shitty fanbases. And even outside of Dragoon harassment both livers and not, to collab with the VTuber dregs that is Pippa and see her fan make a popular combo Sinophobic and revenge porn meme of Vox and Elira and her only reaction to be to say to not to use her in anything instead of taking the time address it fundamentally is incredibly awful. She's a self-centered asshole who doesn't care. You don't need to shittalk to get clout when you have another avenue to go viral after being misleading or actively making stuff up and throwing people under the bus for a year while you're still in the company.

>>133113 I don't, i think Doki should go fuck herself and all dragoons should be forcefed nails, retard saw her fanbase going to the throat of both streamers and fans and said nothing, her whole little number because she didn't get everything she wanted because she thought she was the little princess of Nijisanji was one of the most unprofessional and retarded things to date and most of all i fucking DESPISE people whose whole thing is being professional victims because they lack a personality. The branch was shit with her inside of it, then shit when she left because of her and now things are good because she decided to try and make her own brand because NijiEN recovered and she became more and more of a flop with time after her victim buff wore off like most ex Niji grifters

>>133114 In fairness, during that Shokonoko Shokonoko meme she would step in to put her foot down and remind her fans not to support dumb shit like that. She really fueled the hate the least, especially compared to people like Matara, Sayu, Quinn, Kuro, Michi, and even Mint saintally kept the fire going long after the incident happened. In comparison, Doki gave the dramafags nothing and would purposefully ignore and shut them down.

>>133117 It's just a completely revisionary take. Even considerably after the fact, are you memoryholing the whole Sajam Slam thing? I guess that was good in that it convinced me he was also a limp noodle when it comes down to it after he didn't take her to task for egging on her audience about how the tournament worked after clarifying he didn't say stuff like "kicking her out for me" or whatever, and Rosemi shouldn't bother with the English FGC's poor attempts at interacting with VTubing.

>>133117 >Dragooncordcord mods coordinating hate raids in tandem with her own appointed mod that told them everything she said >"She's not inciting it, bro" Just because you don't see it doesn't mean she didn't do it, she knew pretty well how to play the victim and used her retarded fans for it all the way. You are free to like her but don't go saying she's never fanned the flames of hate on the livers or their fans because that's straight bs

I will say it's kinda funny how everything the retards accused NijiEN of doing was actually been done by other corpos >"Hurr durr 2%" >Vshojo was giving them 0% >"Nijisanji doesn't pay artists" >Holo forced by the state to pay unpaid artists >"Nijisanji forced them to say the company is good" >Vshojo and Idol were both forced to not only say their company was good but to actively shit on other companies >"Nijisanji doesn't pay their talents" >LOL LMAO do i even have to say anithing here?

the ex Nijis who go out of their way to badmouth and shittalk the company have always pissed me off. the only ones that are okay are Kuro (when he finally stopped being retarded about fucking up his own taxes) and Kyrio. Doki is a two faced bitch who can sit pretty while her feral dragoons make hate campaigns and for all the reasons anons have described above and Mint is no better for constantly advertising her.

>>133149 Former Yugo's been chill mostly, even more so compared to making earthquake jokes and ticking people off or getting plastered and having breakdowns on stream while here. Though has the Ren problem of not vetting or being properly critical of anyone in favor of feel good vibes. Like that interview with Dexerto considering they're a primary English language VTubing tabloid. Can't cast stones outside current EN with that too much considering that terrible anonymous (probably Vox from the vocabulary) Polygon interview though.

>>133010 >>133012 I forgave Nina because she clearly was genuinely tricked, caught up that she was being scammed early on and fucked off. She also addressed her old fans on her graduation anniversary and said how much she appreciated all of them back then, which was sweet. Don't know if she's regretting for leaving or not, but at least she's admitting that it was actually a good time for her, despite all the pitfalls I have no sympathy for the rest as they are still spiteful assholes that act like complete douchebags. Well, except for Yugo and Fuuchan I guess, they're still pretty cool. >>133041 Kotoka said what she said because Zaion insulted Hex, her closest friend at the company at that time, with her shitty rape jokes and instead of apologising, she just tripled down on it and called him thin skinned snowflake that doesn't understand "comedy". No need to do history revisionism and add weird layers to this when Koto genuinely didn't care that much about corpo transfers or whatnot, she simply wasn't interested in it. She genuinely was non-confrontational person and if somebody pissed her off, that because they pissed her off on a deep, personal level.

>>133113 Oh yeah, she did nothing wrong except for >Accused management and other livers of bullying her (no proof) >Accused management of making posts on her account without her consent (no proof) >Heavily implied that they drove her to commit a suicide attempt (no proof) >Constructed extremely poor lawsuit attempt that included accusations of favouritism and private information of several livers (the lawsuit was so poor that she had to withdraw as it would've been thorned to pieces in any court) >Recorded private conversations with Vox without his consent that she planned to use in the aforementioned lawsuit >Commissioned new model from her corpo mama and stole her corpo vtuber fan name out of pure spite and hatred Main bullet points, but it would take much longer if I would've listed every single offence that she made. You really got this smoothbrain nijitwitter mentality where Elira's expose stream somehow got recontextualised as simply "poor PR attempt" and the whole termination saga was simply "minor squabble" as nobody wants to even think about that Selen was a shitty person, which unwillingly insults every single liver and staff member that is still in the company. And nobody wants to think of her as a shitty person for similar reasons why nobody wanted to attack Vshojo as "well everybody likes her, she can't be baaad right?" Yes, Mysta insulted Niji riggers and claimed that company didn't pay his taxes Yes, Nina implied that management neglected her Yes, Mika claimed that Riku Tazmania kept her in his basement and then went on semi racist rant about japanese companies Yes, Pomu chummed up to people that sent death threats to Elira Yes, Hex bitched about management not astroturfing him and then bragged how he mogged the company as an indie Yes, Kunai threw jabs at Claude for no reason and bitched about the company not letting to talk about her dead father or whatever Yes, Kyo is an unlikeable retard Yes, Twisty and Zaion But like... All these people from this list under layers of shit have some redeeming qualities, even like a tiny bit. Even Twisty squeezed some fake non apology and Zaion squeezed some shitty regret letter about how she's sorry for insulting her genmates. Selen has none of it. There's not even iota of regret or even tiny thought of "alright, my bad, I did an oopsie" All I see is a huge fucking egotistical sociopath that genuinely think that she's on top of the World and can do no wrong. No regrets. Only unchecked ego that steps over anybody who tells her no. I rarely throw "evil" as an insult at people as it would lose its meaning and I believe that even unlikeable pieces of trash have something of value in them. Not this woman. She is genuinely evil. But so to be expected from a person who admitted herself that her sole purpose and goal in life is to "get appreciation". And don't give me bullshit about her living in some kind of blissful unawareness of what her fans are doing. She's aware. And she endorses them. She doesn't acknowledge it as it would be bad optics to do so, but as longer as they show support to her and attack anybody whom she doesn't like, she's fine with that. She has no moral compass nor principles, her goal is to get praised and liked, and she'll change like a chameleon in any shape that her groomers want her to be. She doesn't give a shit that people post every possible slur in English language and threaten people to decapitate them all in her name, as long as they worship and adore her. And it's always been like this. Reminder that her fans doxxed Finana and Sony when she was still in Niji, and when people brought it up, she simply banned them. And I wouldn't care as there’re tons of evil people in this world that get unpunished (hell, Gunrun was getting away with it for 5 years straight). But this particular person dealt irreversible damage to the company and hurt everybody who's been working in it. Hurt really badly, even if it doesn't look like it. And by proxy, keeps hurting it. And a person who hurts something or somebody that I love and care about will forever be on my hate list till the day they'll die I know it's jumbled text that is barely coherent, but man, I haven't touched this topic in over a year and the notion that she's somehow "not that bad" or "people were exaggerating" or whatever genuinely makes my blood boil. It just insults me and pisses me off.

>>133125 This guy simply doesn't understand like optics work. Selen is doing the Asmongold bit where his chat would literally tell to lynch minorities and gay people and when people confront him, he simply says >Yeaaaah idk what my chat is saying, I don't pay attention to it. Oh no no no, I don't ban anybody because I believe in, um, freedom of speech, yeaaah And then he proceeds to either pander to said chat or tell the same takes but in more politically correct manner. Room of possible deniability is optics 101. Just endorse people to do shit for you but keep clear image for yourself and when people confront you, deny it as everything seems like conjectures.

>>133249 Comparing selen to asmongold is actually really eye opening on how shitty she is

>>133248 >suicide (no proof) It’s even worse. Back then during the suspension, the tracker schizo consistently posted updates in their thread constantly showing she played apex (and a lot of palworld since she changed her nickname to reflect that) with her mods non stop. Then she said she was "desperate, with no backup plans and not in the mood to play anything" according to her return stream. If they wanted, there was all the proof they needed to she was full of shit with her sob story.

>>133247 Matara befriending and hanging out in-person with Sayu even after Sayu collabed with Falseeyed is enough to turn me away forever

>>133256 To me it basically gave a new meaning on why she still wanted to hang out with the girls and then suddenly dropped them (probably because they were aware they were getting poached)

>>133248 >Reminder that her fans doxxed Finana and Sony when she was still in Niji, and when people brought it up, she simply banned them This still pisses me off, they even admitted to it and yet it was completely memoryholed. But when one of the livers has one minor slip up that harms nobody, you bet it's gonna be brought up time and time again for years to come.

>>133259 It would explain why Finana thought she was being gaslit >"Someone I've only known for a few months is already is offering me an opportunity to be part of Vshojo? That sounds like such a massive scam." or why Kotoka said "she was barely able to wish her well", because her manager told her what was going on basically amounted to corporate espionage. >>133121 >>133125 >>133248 There is where I guess I'll never really be able to see eye to eye on the subject of Selen. I'll definitely compromise and say that she should have definitely done more for the talents like Doppio, Maria, Aia, Scarle, ect that clearly had nothing to do with the situation, but while there was no shortage of dragoons that were definitely vitriolic against NijiEN; its fair to say that the vast majority of her viewers/subs at that time were from dramatourists because of how few stuck around. I'm still falling in the camp that her actions say more than enough as is, which for better or worse is what she didn't do. Because compared to Matara, Quinn, Kuro, Michi, Kunai, Mint, and Sayu, she did not actively fan the flames at all. The people I listed comparatively traumadumped a lot and gave out A LOT more behind-the-scenes information and kept the anti NijiEN momentum going long after Selen's termination, despite how much better their situations and departures were (and they basically all were, especially those that just graduated during that time frame). And it's not like things only just went to shit because of Selen's termination, tensions were steadily brewing throughout the entirety of 2023 between not only fans and what talents went through internally (or because people like Kyo and Sayu actively egged it on drama). 2024 was just the culmination of everything that went down. Something similar would have happened if it happened to another popular and externally respected talent in the company.

>>133315 That leadup year where she was constantly exaggerating and shifting responsibility and conveniently ignoring how other livers could properly go through procedures was a significant reason why her audience was a reactionary shitstain to begin with. It's part of why that announcement was received so poorly because it seemed like trying to smear her because either they didn't watch anybody else, couldn't be critical of their oshi, or were dramatourists. Sorry, did we forget her friends Gumi and RPR that she was in contact with inflaming things either? On top of all the mod and Discord and prominent fan stuff, that she never fucking wrangled, those were people she's actively streamed and hung out with. It's like unless someone is explicitly saying, "go harass those people" you don't think they're responsible for anything. And as was mentioned up there, you collab with the fucking Kiwifarms fascist mascot and someone then makes bigoted stuff for you, you can't act like that was a random act when the whole framing was around how you don't want to be involved instead addressing the ideological basis of it. I watched a lot of Selen, I thought as a Let's Player of goofy games she rated pretty highly for bringing a good incredulous energy and laughter, that doesn't mean she was a responsible human being that was thoughtful and considerate of others that could communicate well. The basic requirement to being a decent person worth hiring.

Update to the Vshojo implosion, Veibae confirms that actual literal paid Vshojo shills were on 4chan constantly trying to steer public opinion wrt Niji, Holo, etc

>>133334 I am honestly not surprised but also it's nice to have the confirmation half the schizos were paid shills from Vshojo, the other half being paid by Phase. Also, while we are at it, it's time that everyone comes to the realization how fucking artificial all the fucking nijidrama videos were and how they probably had several dramatubers (False being the biggest faggot king out there) in their bag going after the livers

>>133334 not surprising

>>133334 Holy shit, since that company already defunct all NDAs are void. There are so many stories that came out from staffs, contractors and talents.Now this begs the question how do we know that this place is not astroturfed by another company?

>>133345 This board specifically? If BO was getting paid then it doesn't make sense he would retire when activity here went down

>>133347 I mean what the plan of our new BO to avoid this issue?

>>133348 Ban shitposters? This place is pretty clean, we have some people like that canadian saying shit that is contradictory and, although i find it wrong, it doesn't seem like a paid shill. In the 2 or so years this place has been alive i don't really thing we ever had that issue except during the kekchan transition, hell i see the ennaschizo less now than before when he remembered this place existed every now and then, if you report schizos they get banned, there's not much more to it

>>133351 Speaking of ennaschizo, is still active over there? I already stop going there.

>>133353 I don't care and neither should you

>>133354 Yeah you right. My curiosity got the best of me

>>133353 We may not know his current status over here but I do still see him in chat from time to time lol.

The only time this place gets mass influx of shitposting is when kekchan died so I wouldn't worry about it the chill vibes is now it's normally is here.

>>133345 >>133347 >>133348 >>133351 Just report weird shit, there have been bad actors in the past and they've been punished. I don't care about dramafaggotery but if you're gonna discuss about it don't go offtopic and don't start any witch hunts. In this case it affects us at some point but I believe it's all water under the bridge and there's no point getting worked up. As for the old BO they were a passionate Nijisanji fan for taking care of this place for so long and the anons created a reasonable culture where shitposters stick out like a sore thumb.

>>133353 Worse

i dont entirely buy the rrat that False specifically was paid off by Gunrun to shittalk Niji, I feel like we do have to admit Niji drama has become a successful "drama industry" in of itself and False/Rev/Khyo/Legal Mindset were milking it for all its worth. gunrun wouldn't have needed to pay them because they were getting boatloads of clout and money from Niji drama anyways.

>>133675 I didn't even know if he was paid, and tbh it doesn't really matter to me. That nigger needs to fuck off either way.

I'm a bit late to the party, but Yugo and Hex actually released statements regarding Vshojo too. I may as well share it as you guys shared stuff that other ex-livers said and stuff what they said is pretty important Yugo: >He was offered a contract right away after he debuted his live 2D >He was in a really bad headspace and thought that joining another company would betray the trust of his fans, but he still was open minded to the proposal >He was shown the contract and said that everything seemed fishy to him as it just didn't make sense to him how the fuck the company even made profit with the profit share numbers that Vshojo provided, but he just went "that's bulshit, but I believe it" route and assumed that the talents are just "that good" and generate millions per year >He asked why would they want to recruit him for a girl only company as he's a male vtuber, and they told him that they were planning to debut male vtubers gen. He thought that it's fucking stupid. >He was in no mental state to stream and wasn't sure that he will be able to even provide any profit to the company to begin with >He proposed them a deal that he'll join the company only on the conditions that he won't be able to stream often, will spend all his profits on music production and will have a contract with a major music label. They dipped afterwards. >The wave of graduations from Niji with a lot of schizos blaming him for that really put a toll on his mental state. The revelation that all those people were poached by vshojo really pissed him off. >He said that anti-corpo sentiments are retarded and made by people that don't even know what they're talking about. He said that people should seek agencies not out of security or for number boosts, but to make the talents' lives easier. >Self-managing is pure hell as you have to do all the paperwork, networking and other hard part yourself, while in the company, management will do all that stuff for you, which gives more time for actual content creation. People join companies to achieve their dreams, but sadly, everything is volumed in pure profits and numbers nowdays >If you want to be angry at somebody, be angry at scammers like Gunrun who hurt his friends and ex-coworkers, not at agencies that are trying to actually help their talents. Hex: >Unlike Vshojo, Niji never withheld money. The only time Niji was late was like 2 weeks, which was a nothingburger >Several times, Niji even payed money in debt in advance as merch delivery takes time and sometimes gets delayed, so they paid to talents before they even get profits from merch >He never got poached but he applied for the Vshojo audition >He was rejected really hard and said that he had an insider from the company. He can't share all the details but one of the main reasons for his rejection were unironic rrats about him grooming girls on discord server that never even existed >He said anti-corpo sentiment are retarded as well. A lot of people join corpos for valid reasons that average retard on Twitter doesn't know. Insulting corpos by proxy insults the talents as well and make them look dumb. There are both pros and cons for corpos and indies, and there's no easy route. >He also said to not insult CEOs and don't make them scapegoats (in this case he talked about Tazumi, not Gunrun for context) as they don't really call the shots and the ones who are really in charged are some old fucks from boards of directors and investors that barely care about talents or vtubing as a medium.

>>133675 False was dicksucking Holo on every video and even did unironic damage control for them, which makes no sense why would he glaze a competitor if he was on Vshojo's payroll. I would rather believe that yagoo paid him

>>133315 Regarding Finana, she was referring to the FFXIV stream fiasco >Zaion asked Finana if it's ok to stream FFXIV on a pre-made account >She said yes >Zaion just changed the name of her PL account and played on it while pretending that it was made specifically for Niji >When management obviously found out about it, she tried to tell them that it's not her fault and that Finana said that it's ok to play on this account >Management confronted Finana and Finana said that it's not what she told her at all >Zaion gets publicly suspended for that That's pretty much it. Regarding Kotoka, she was pissed off at her for insulting Hex over the rape joke. She wouldn't get pissed of for something as trivial as poaching or whatever. The only person that is confirmed to be a poaching attempt from Zaion's part is Nina as the retard literally spilled out about it live on stream. And it failed as Nina in the end was poached by Mysta. No need to revise history as every single retarded thing that she has done was well documented, poaching attempts are just icing on the cake. Honestly, it really pisses me off how Ironmouse and the others are getting away with everything as they were the ones doing the poaching on Gunrun's behalf and also were badmouthing both Niji and Holo. But hey, it's easy to play the victim now and blame everything on one guy. At least seems like Melody is actually in hot waters as she was one of the company's founders, her puppy was COO and the possible deniability effect really wears off as she in particular being in the dark makes really little sense. I can't fucking comprehend how Selen outright telling that she was harassed and bullied from both the talents and management isn't intentional flaming for you, but whatever. You're either really fucking dumb or are a dragoon shill. Hell, her NOT giving any concrete information and just dropping vague accusations did way more damage to the company than any other liver that was bitching about some trivial shit ever did >>133324 >I thought as a Let's Player of goofy games she rated pretty highly for bringing a good incredulous energy and laughter, that doesn't mean she was a responsible human being that was thoughtful and considerate of others that could communicate well. Honestly, I can say the same about a lot of people that have graduated/got terminated. Shit on Zaion or Twisty however you want, but they were entertaining, at least in collabs. But again, entertainment value doesn't make you a good person nor it excuses you for you mishaps and wrongdoings

>>134609 If I were to guess, False’s relationship with Vshojo was just to shill the latter. Besides, there has never been a dramatuber brave enough to outright go after Holo.

>>134762 >dramatuber >brave that's an oxymoron

I don't know if it's even a hot take anymore but i think Twisty, like normal Twisty before she went full retard with Aster, was the biggest debuff to people getting interested in Denauth, even more than the dramafags trying to stir shit about them because she scared actual NijiEN fans away

>>135315 Yeah, but know people start to learn about Klara. Maybe there is a hope.

>>135315 Denauth was going to face an uphill battle no matter what, due to the drama surrounding the branch still being fresh. That said, Twisty definitely did not help the situation either, I don't know how she even managed to pass the audition outside of her voice.

At this point, I really don't care what the rest of the English-speaking sphere has to say about Niji. All the proof is in the unraveling right before our eyes. Doki's constantly having money problems and narrowly avoided getting into drama with xQc fans, Mint got fucked over by Vshojo trying to speedrun her idol dreams when she could have stayed patient and have opportunities like Overture and SitR fall into her lap, Quinn still can't move merch, and Sayu is self-destructive to the point where nobody wants to deal with her. It feels good to like and support people that can roll with the punches and make the best of the opportunity they have been given rather than whine about not having snacks or whatever.

Speaking of Denauth, Ryojisan what the FUCK are you doing?!

>>135393 Jiji has his menhera moment. mind you he is Apex player.

>>135394 I just don’t want him to get in any trouble because his alt is like the worst kept secret. Yeah, fuck Aster but damn can we let the investigation results come out first before you fan the flames?

> investigation results come out first I don't think the results will see the light due to young CEO and Japanese company. It's kinda sad.

>>135397 Yeah…yeah. Well this coming up right as Reimu finally made her graduation official is kinda funny though

I really don't get what Reimus whole multi month graduation lead up thing was about, just made me feel bad for having her membership and hearing her complaints and not really agreeing with her Knowing how ethyria got the prerecorded 3D live before everyone else in the branch, and how they had proper rep in Nijifes like everyone else and all the concert guesting when she said she didn't wanna fly out for recording anymore On top of JPs like sanbaka only getting their first walive audience wave concert last year and voltaction whose main thing is boy band practice since vta around when she debuted only getting one this year, its like theres no awareness of others Been like this since merch complaints in 22 when they were actually getting as much or more of the company ones than both obsydia and luxiem members Then seeing her be a reply guy for big VTubers, leeching is an anti description so wont use that but i dont know how it doesnt feel kinda pathetic when nobody every replies because theyre huge accounts of people youve never talked to or have much in common with Could show up for Hayuns totsu or do anything with Astel or Ebio or whoever else gets regularly dropped for a temporary new group like abagaadwiab instead And zuttomo collabs being samey with the bad show and food talks where she dunks on people for 20 min out of a multi hour super focused stream or even in stuff like the court stream where its just petra being made a wife again instead of anything new Just makes me sad that western vtubing ends up with this mentality so often >>135393 >>135396 I have no dog in that race between the two of them and dont know what info is behind the scenes of what happened, but unless ryoma is black or Indian or trans or another group she was terrible to I dont think hes somebody who has a say on whether she was bettering herself or apologized properly considering I thought her public return stream was awful and she avoided taking responsibility Then straight up lying about things that were easily provable like the cant keep the same mama or theyll be blacklisted thing considering dragon sisters

I will now proceed to vent amongus There is now barely any EU timezone girl now it's very sad I can only watch vods now unless birb does a stream which is rare these days. Cab I have 5 big booms in chat.

>>135400 💥💥💥💥💥

>>135400 BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOOOM Ricky, please accelerate with an all europoor girls wave

>>135400 my fellow anon, we were doomed from the start, they never really hired people living in the eu timezones to stream, nobody streams during eu prime time unless one of the NA girls wakes up before 2PM. I'm still kinda mad to see everyone stacking and overlaping during NA hours or jp hours every wave

>>135399 I honestly stopped watching Reimu about a month or so ago when she reminded chat she was gonna graduate soon every other phrase, it just became a downer and i'm here for entertainment, still haven't watched her stream and probably won't since idc anymore about her, i don't know if she said anything dumb but she always had the issue of ranting about stuff and never doing nothing to change it, not only professionally but also in her personal life

>>135396 >can we let the investigation results come out first dyrbi >>135399 >>135404 same boat, i've never been a diehard phantomo or anything but i like reimu and have watched her from time to time when the games catch my interest. i would have liked to watch her check out E33 but the mood just sucked and was not fun (well, also i realized over some time from other streamers i don't like the game very much)

>>135393 Oh...she was actively defending her...ok that's an unsub and unmember from me, yeah fuck that

>>135413 >she who

>>135414 Sorry i meant "he" but misstyped

No surprises regarding Reimu, she has been teasing her graduation heavily since May. Wish I could be sad more but Reimu was such a huge menhera for the past 6 months in a worst way possible and something being wrong was really noticeable. Can't even tell why she's graduating with her being incredibly vague about it, but it's something to do with singing permission fuckery I guess? Not even sure what it is about considering she barely was doing singing with her non-stop gaming streams. She is implying that some concert/project was canned which is unfortunate. Overall, I can tell that she's graduating due to her mental health rather than due to any particular limitation. She's not a bad person by any means and I can tell this as somebody who watched her for several years, but man, her mental health really took a toll on her with her becoming really unpleasant to watch in the past 6 month with her being unnecessarily rude and bitching about everything. Hope she'll become better and I hope her fans want blame Niji for her graduation (I know it's probably a lot to ask from vtuber fans, but still). Also, it explains why Enna has been really depressed lately for the past few month as it's probably when Reimu told everybody that she's graduating. Sucks that other people have to struggle due to her menherness too

>>135417 wanted to do ethyria live audience concert thing too and got pretty heated about it with staff in a way that seems kind of like a tantrum but like I said up there, she made it sound like she didn't get what she wanted but the timing for livers whove been around much longer or just as much is around the same and ethyria has been in a lot of music stuff I guess Millie would be nice to see in the next overseas or fes concert thing but thats about it They could have done more projects together, same with zuttomo doing anything interesting considering petra bothered to do all the setup for it When it comes down to it I dont really think her thought process made much since aside from being tired of dealing with music and game permissions like any JP company would have And with the music she hangs out with maria and kaelix and zeal so I dont get why she hasnt talked to them and figure out how they handle everything with permissions so well

>>135418 It's nice and dandy if it wasn't for the fact that Reimu is the only one who gave a tantrum in Ethyria, Enna and Millie took it adequately. It was no protest, it's just her being menhera. Regarding zuttomo, sadly, it's kind of Petra's fault as she dipped right after Zuttomo became a thing and I could actually tell that Reimu was pissed off at Petra for that as she clearly had hopes to do music staff together, only to get a unit that can't perform no record songs.

>>135419 Also, regarding music perms, Reimu is an extremely anal person. When it comes to music, she always does things her own way and doesn't want to compromise her vision. Whatever method Maririn, Kaelix and Zeal have, it clearly wouldn't fit Reimu.

>>135419 petra hasnt streamed on her channel for a year but shes recorded a bunch for other people and showed up on a lot of streams Managed to do the rosemi and shanghai concerts and host or shoutcast for things If it was just replacing recent Zuttomo streams alone with something else live, not expecting anything elaborate just anything cool to make it worth it >>135420 I guess I dont get why she joined then or what her expectations were, aside from her friend petra being in there who instead already had experience with agency difficulties and watched and collabed with a bunch of early vtubers so understood what she was getting in to, she mostly watched kanae because of apex and utaite connections from what I remember Which I guess was also kind of selen and vivi, apex clip watching caught people

>>135420 >When it comes to music, she always does things her own way and doesn't want to compromise her vision You can apply that with everything too. Reimu can never compromise at all, in anything. Whenever chat tells her advice on games like lies of P she will always ignore it because <I wanna do things it my way <wait chat why does arlechinno keep killing me it's not working <the one time i follow chat's advice properly I win why am i so stubborn aaaaaa it's one of my pet peeves tbh

>>135419 Tbh the people getting opportunities for concerts and lives are people who grinded for years, is she wanted a live or a concert invite so bad she could've done endless karaoke streams like Levi who had to fight for every opportunity she had by singing her heart out. I know how stupid she gets with karaokes and stuff but it is how it is, if you want to be a singer and market yourself as a singer you have to sing

>>135393 Can't even fucking tell what he's originally posted as he deleted everything. Nice damage control. I'll in general agree that platforming BOTH Twisty and Aster was a travesty on management's part but man, insinuating that working with an open racist and transphob wasn't that much of an issue for you is a huge red flag. Also, he's really fucking unstable and a ticking bomb. He has been doing this "let me go on menhera rant on my alt" thing for a long time already and it's really hard to disregard this as "he's having a moment" at this point.

Can I be the weird to say that I like what Ryojisan was doing. I like when talents have pseudo alt used for voicing dissatisfaction. Like separate the persona but at the same time give awareness what happen. Don't like the Japanese usual approach of hiding head in the sand. Only acknowledge when things are bad BAD. It is fine to disagree with me tho as in your guys can mute and block the pseudo alt.

>>135424 not to read too much in to Twitter follows, but him following both former kyo and zaion on the personal account he actively linked to on his nijisanji one is such a stupid idea Also hope reimu doesnt try to grab on to the doki and mint crew after leaving either considering the same thing En vtubing is all about who your friends are and not doing cool stuff and taking responsibility for what you say or do I guess

>>135423 It's still ridiculous how she in the 3 years in Niji she only had 2 unarchived karaoke and one JP karaoke on her membership. I know that karaoke streams take tons of work and effort behind the streams where you have to set everything up but man, her not bothering to do so was so absurd. >>135421 The difference is that all stuff with Petra in it was organised by management, contrast to a potential Zuttomo concert/recording that would need effort from the girls themselves.

>>135425 I'm not against it, i'm against white boy saying the loli Hitler wannabe said "i'm sorry" and that she was "bettering herself" while everyone knows that's fucking bs

>>135428 Ahh interesting. The way I read that tweet, he basically said the loli Hitler stop acting like Hitler in their vicinity and their didn't aware the hitlerism in the first place thus why he giving grace at the first place.

>>135423 I cant imagine being an event scheduler or planner who just had to delay sanbaka having their 5+ year anniversary thing because someone was deathly ill of COVID and you get en people who never do their own music stuff begging for a solo wave live audience concert right after they were the first in the branch to do a prerecorded live

>>135430 Not only that but also >Bitch about having to travel for concerts and say how you just wanna stream games >"Why am i not getting concert opportunities?" Man i wonder why

>>135426 I doubt she will. I maybe reading too much into it but Reimu clearly has animosity towards both of them (she can't show it publicly, of course, but doesn't seem like she likes them at all) Judging by her PL, she only wants to hang out with Aruvn and other utaites/vsingers. Maybe she'll hang out with Fuuchan and Koto when they'll reincarnate, so that's nice. Not sure what her relationships are with Shiki, Zentreya, Nerissa, Shoto and Bao as she hasn't interacted with them in over a year at this point, but maybe she'll start hanging out with them again

>>135427 If it was just showing up and recording petra could do anything, has showed up to so many 3d debuts that had rehearsals Recorded lines for arc goes on and rosepeto showtime on top of the concerts, did a cover with her sister, showed up to creative streams like the judge rosemi or terrasanji, btb debut watch along was unofficial, Maria offline karaoke, really so many but there isnt a big difference in official or unofficial to me since she made the time while in school regardless Zuttomo got seasonal outfits late 23 and a song last year and only boring game streams since

>>135425 This "dissatisfaction" comes own to regular bitching about things that won't be fixed. The only thing that this does is that it gives ammo to dramafags and makes regular fans upset. Like what kind of advice can people even give to him besides "graduate already"?

>>135432 I meant she just refollowed them again, so who knows I hope she'll think better about it but with the big account reply guy thing she does I have no idea

>>135432 >>135438 (me) with what you said in the last part, in membership she was talking about how some friends of hers didnt want to hang out with her in public since she was from nijisanji and they might get hate or upset their fanbase and that also made me disappointed because at that point they shouldnt be her friends

>>135437 Now now. This is what kinda I don't get it and separate from each other. How would we knew things wouldn't fixed. IMO, things won't fixed due to hush hush work environment. Things usually fixed fast when there is transparency. Next, giving ammo to outsider. Like who cares. Not even the CEO care. Not even the top managements care. If they care, they would do something preemptive. Also why fan need to give advice? I also don't get why fan need to be responsible on talents job. Fan should only responsible being fan such create fan arts, clips, celebrate milestone and event etc. The only time fans should cross boundary when the talents themselves request for help. Also fan shouldn't being jumpy and reactionary. I don't know why fans love being jumpy and reactionary.

>>135436 None of those things were Petra's initiative, she just had to show up which is fine. But a potential concert would require scheduling, preparations, brainstorming, tons of paper work etc. Which is just not possible with Petra's current schedule. And even if Petra had find time, others 3 (Reimu in particular) would have hard time aligning with her.

>>135440 I mean...what do you expect with someone who's friends with Zen, Bao and Shoto? Her friends are huge opportunists, i can only respect Shiki

>>135442 I wasnt even talking about a concert, just anything else besides the same game streams this past year But I also said how she joined both company (shanghai) and liver (rosepeto) concerts and did all the other project recordings and line memorizing Was even in nijifes as a panel host She might be dying of overwork and have some sort of weird pledge to not stream solo until she graduates from university but shes showed up in so many things, as many debuts and birthdays as anyone really With the paperwork, she did the zuttomo paperwork to begin with because the rest of them didnt want to

>>135441 Why would they listen to people's feedback BASED on a liver leaking shit? As far as management aware, the liver is a problem, not the environment. And yeah, dramafags and overall antis influence shit. They do damage.the reputation and make livers and fans feel uncomfortable. And fans being unhappy also important as it discourage them to watch streams and participate in events.

>>135445 Yeah I don't think we can see eye-to-eye on this issue.

>>135444 Chill out, I didn't say that Petra doesn't do anything. It's not an issue, the issue is required commitment that she can't do at the moment >With the paperwork, she did the zuttomo paperwork to begin with because the rest of them didn't want to Well yeah, this is why a potential Zuttomo live wouldn't have been possible as Petra is too busy to do stuff like this again.

>>135446 I don't know what to say more. Management has always been bad at answering fan concerns and no leak or insider info will change that. Blame most of it on NDA and JP working culture.

>>135432 >Reimu clearly has animosity towards both of them So I'm not the only one who thinks this lol. I hope you're right, I like reimu and I'd be really disappointed if she cozies up to them... even more so if she interacts with sayu after all the shit she's done. I want to think reimu is better than that.

>>135448 Not upset at you, just dont get your reasoning because Im talking about the past year of zuttomo streams instead of just right now and was listing things shes done in the past year and made the time to do And how it didnt have to be a concert since that was what reimu was pushing for ethyria specifically to have instead with a live audience before the other two waves and without considering how long it took it took other jp livers More that it was the same games over and over again and they werent having fun chats in them and especially lately reimus only way of interacting when they had the short time to was dunking or talking about shows or internet musicals that suck

>>135450 I don't think Reimu even interacted with Sayu, at least I can't think of any of the interactions. I remember weird thing that she said during Hex's graduation where she pretty much told him that there aren't that many people in the company that she trusts and that he needs to be careful around others. It was so out of blue and the only reasonable explanation to that one I have is that she was referring towards Selen and Pomu specifically >>135440 >>135443 Honestly, this is what pisses me off about Reimu so much. She complained a lot about being betrayed and having trust issues, and then she picks up the most atrocious people imaginable as friends. Like girl, if you can't detect red flags with the people that you hang out with, then it's your fault and your fault only.

>>135446 >>135449 I want livers to be professional and not work through their mental health issues by blowing up in public They pay for therapy and have a mental health professional on staff I dont know how the hiring process can better filter grifting and bigots when they arent open about that when theyre getting interviewed or dont include alarming youtube or twitter accounts in their application Being friends with or reaching out to dramatubers or terrible people is a red flag and I hate suits and corporate stuff but I dont think firing scumbags should have a poor audience reaction like it does in the west

>>135428 The way he put it as it's somehow fans' fault too for liking Aster is ridiculous as an average fan was as much in the dark as they were about Twisty. I know that he's backtracked already and apologised for this take in particular, but man, it was retarded as fuck

>>135400 >There is now barely any EU timezone girl now it's very sad I can only watch vods now There are barely any EU timezone livers PERIOD. Zali and Vox stream in the afternoon, evening time is pretty much dead up until Feesh's streaming at 10 PM. >>135403 I mean, you can always get into Meloco I guess, she does stream in the middle of the night (5 PM - 1 AM Euro time) a lot. I know not everyone vibes with her, but she is fun.

>>135457 Overall, we did lose almost all Euro streamers in the past year. Pretty much all graduations did stream in Euro hours, which is really fucking unlucky lmao

>>135454 Kinda reminds me of the contrast firing Gundou had in JP and the west because the west was like "noooo she was a founding vtuber member, i remember this Genshin clip!" and JP was like "God, fucking finally"

>>135460 That because westerners were fucking EOP clipwatchers. She was shitting on Niji, on Holo, other companies, random people and involved herself into drama on every step. Honestly, it was more of a psyop from dramafags than anything

>>135457 >meloco she starts too early (same pet peezve i have with vox and zali starting at 1 - 2 PM), that's way too early for most euros. Not too much thrilled about what she's streaming in general.

>>135464 It depends but she has been streaming mostly in the middle of the night JST. Most of her recent streams started at 5 PM. She sometimes has collabs earlier but when it's solo, it's mostly at night

Hes still posting through it Im sorry grandpa, she was a racist terf who only cared about loliness in vtubing and you werent fixing her The apology was terrible and avoided responsibility because she claimed she didnt mean anything and the discord leaks people hoped werent real and gave her the benefit for were true Asters already gone, youre just showing I can never trust your judgement and your obvious personal twitter account was a bad idea

>>135457 I find it funny that Vox himself is also begging for more Europeans too he should bring it up to management.

>>135452 Zuttomo plans post-Reimu must be weird since it's timed with Petra saying she's going to come back to streaming relatively soon. Personally I hope Petra does more stuff with Rosemi, that Peak collab that came up briefly would be fun. And she's got SEUP and the livers living in Japan, both EN and of course JP. A lot of dynamics with newer waves that she hasn't set up, like that REPO one was arranged because she realized she hadn't done much with Vanta for example. Plus hasn't done much with post-VTA debuts Igarashi and now Yotsuha aside.

>>135568 Yeah, chemistrywise i think RosePeto is a lot better, also Eira and Klara wanted to do another 2D men zatsu but also invite Peto next time and that would be pretty nice too, Klara and Peto just kept talking without thinking of the time last time they did that so add Elira to that and it should be a fun ride too

>>135572 That'd be fun for sure, if the three really hit it off as a trio could maybe add her to their old Twisted Wonderland playthrough together again too if that'd kick some life in to it.

Well anons who didn't like that Zuttomo collabs have long been quiet tryharding, aside from brief hot takes on food and media, probably shouldn't check out the latest stream either. Was funny to hear Enna blame Petra being inactive for the lack of Zuttomo stuff considering all the other liver things she's done outside the group while in school. Over a dozen group collabs the past few years mostly being Overcooked and Outlast Trials was self-imposed, lol.

>>136285 I'm a Zuttomo hater and didn't watch the stream but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that the other livers things made them unable to do stuff together. I'll just pretend everything other than the outfits, the few 3d performances, the outfits and Enna's song doesn't exist along with only remembering the Niji UK collabs. Also with Reimu being out of the picture maybe they can drag Petra into Nightreign.

>>136285 >>136342 That's a shame with the stream, hoped it would've improved with the limited time remaining. Better scheduling opportunities wouldn't really solve poor game choices for collabing and conversations that repeat and drag in the ones they do make time for. And the lack of proper punctuation makes it hard to read, but based on the listed things up thread it really wouldn't be that hard for Petra to join if someone else in Zuttomo stepped up creatively or with planning. Replace any of the Outlast or Overcooked with something even mildly neat. Looking at only the games they played together, they didn't continue either Core Keeper or Grounded which allow for some talking downtime at the very least. I think it's an easy trap to take the route of blaming it on Petra being busy when that doesn't line up with the actual failings of it. Nightreign could definitely be good.

>>136285 >>136342 >>136396 Let's face the music: Reimu didn't want to play ANYTHING other than the same 5 games with the girls. She didn't want to try out new thing nor get out of her comfort zone. If anybody would suggest her to play the game that doesn't appeal to her specific tastes, she would just say "ugh I'm good" in the most obnoxious way possible. With the three of them left, the variety of games will improve significantly. >with Reimu being out of the picture maybe they can drag Petra into Nightreign While the concept of Petra playing Nightreign is funny as fuck, it's better not. The second issue with Zuttomo collabs besides Reimu's presence is Petra being extremely bad at majority of games they played. It's fun when all of them besides Reimu practically sucked, but with Millie and Enna actually being good in this particular game, they will probably get annoyed and tilted rather quickly with Petra being needed to be dragged through the game. The mood of the collab will go down the drain and it will be no fun. I would rather opt for them to play Zomboid again. All of them are pretty competent at the game and i feel like they would have a great time playing it together.

>>136413 Another missed opportunity is only doing game collabs in general. Why not something different along the lines of that small pancake making collab Petra and Enna did a long while back. They'll probably say they're too depressed to do something different lol.

>>136413 >>136414 Agreed on the non-game opportunities being way more open and not necessarily hard to do or planning heavy, I mentioned the two games they dropped as at least better for streaming since they couldn't think of anything that out of the box. Though now that I think about it they never finished that L4D2 campaign either and Petra didn't need carrying in that. Even the first stream of it she didn't die the most, had comparable accuracy with little friendly fire, killed a lot of special infected, that sort of thing. Carried the defibs too. Last Outlast did about as fine as well. Petra's gaming skills being made to be an excuse for bad picks or the talks being unfunny always feels so ahistorical, as much as the scheduling at this point, and it's not like she's the one making the excuses or blaming people. The Reimu birthday Quiplash where the penguin was the only one who tried some original jokes that landed was a clear example, it's a two-way street. Zuttomo feels more like a friend group who wanted a casual hang out where they could play together than entertainers in an official subunit, but it's also a friend group that doesn't get new topics and they usually don't know what they're talking about so it falls flat for people.

>>136418 tbh it was already the case in ethyria zatsus, if nina wasn't constantly trying move the conversation along, it was kinda dry. While petra is fine, she ain't as much talkative that nina was. 3thyria is just as you said a friend group that may like to hang out but doesn't have many interesting things to talk about together.

>>136418 I didn't mean that Petra is bad at every game, but she isn't a gamer. When she's good at a game, she's good. Like in Zomboid. My point is that Nightreign isn't a type of game that she will have a good time playing

>>136421 I agree generally. Nina always liked leading conversations even if I don't think the direction was good a lot of the time, Petra much more of a support role that's good to bounce off of. Even the go-to Petra bullying requires a fun dynamic to work, like the classic Oliver one is way better than when Ethyria usually messes with her to me. >>136423 Not a Gamer yes, character control a constant struggle, though her aim is surprisingly decent from After Effects. I think the main thing would be if motion sickness consistently kicks off, that'd be the big difference with the 3D camera movements from the Zomboid you mentioned or something like Hollow Knight. Enna manages though so who could say without trying.

So basically the Ethyria haters from 2021 were right all along.

Dunno what you guys talking about but mightreign fucking sucks and is not a real soulslike it's Apex with swords. Peak is the better "friendslop" anyway and doesn't make speedrunning the map a mandatory thing. It's the better stream game for the average "never touch a souls game" joe like petora too

>>136431 I have no special interest in Nightreign, maybe the original anon who brought it up could say what they thought, but I'm not dissuaded by the concept of Apex with swords. At least games like PUBG and Apex let people have time to talk in a collab when they were still being played regularly. Friendslop for friendslop's sake doesn't appeal to me as much as having the space and ability to show some actual comedy chops or considered co. If she was planning to play Peak with Rosemi I think that it would be kind of a jerk move to play it with Zuttomo first instead. They've done twice the amount of streams together the past year anyway.

>>136431 I think we moved too fast from multilpayer Buckshot Roulette, that is a fun collab game

>>136450 actually surprised no one made a tourney out of that game ala Mahjong souls

>>136444 It wasn't that deep of a suggestion it just stems from I like playing and watching Nightreign and those 2 like Nightreign too lol, it doesn't matter if it's a so called real or fake soulslike..

Dunno how to feel right now.

to say i'm heartbroken is an understatement

I looked at my 3rd anniversary acrylic panel the other day and was like wow, a lot of these people are gone and now it's just below half.

On one hand, it is normal to left the company after 3 years, on the others hand the one who are leaving are the high achiever. Anycolor you need to groom new generations fast and also please be transparent. The lack of transparency why you lose the pr war. Also it's kinda annoying some people celebrate it. Next talent anycolor needs to care really well is Scarle. At least make sure you have new generations that as strong as Scarle before she lefts the company.

>>135471 Should have cashed in when they had Euros applying. Almost everyone hired is South-East Asian now.

I have been hiding these feelings for too long but tbh I am really feeling that the vtubing showbiz has been declining because it’s not just nijisanji, the other company is not that exciting to catch on anymore and lets not get into the “indies” as well. Not to mention how late stage capitalism is making things hard for business to maintain the things we love . Currently my oshi is still in nijisanji and he’s still as cute as ever but i can’t lie that I haven’t been watching him alot these days because having to put my emotional baggage to something non-fictional is tiring

I'll probably watch JPs just to distract myself. I'm already watching more of them than ENs (that's not my oshi) these days so might as well commit more.

This whole thing has me twisted up inside because I think of both sides. That sometimes disagreements do just tend to happen and that it's a pretty common way to leave a job; that it can feel too restrictive or simply isn't as right for you as it was in the beginning. It happens. I don't think Anycolor/Nijisanji are the "black company" antis make them out to be. Yet at the same time... It hurts. I really do love all the NijiEN members and the fact that they keep leaving, crying and saying that they can't continue to grow there anymore, stings more than anything. I hate that everything feels so unclear and uncertain. It feels awful to sit here as a fan, as a spectator, and watch everything seemingly fall apart. Sorry if I sound so melodramatic, but seeing everybody I follow - from EN fans to JP fans, casual viewers to fans who've been there from the beginning - talk about how much they love Rosemi and thought she'd be one of the ones to stay and be a pillar... It's all hitting me hard right now. Especially since, even if she said she was thinking about this for a while, it seemed she didn't show much of any signs she planned to graduate. I really thought that after the Aster-Twisty situation, and after Reimu's graduation, that things would be calm and it'd be smooth sailing at least for the rest of the year.

Man, I wish Rosemi the best but I'm extremely cautious if she ends up continuing VTubing eventually considering her old friends are in Phase Connect, DuelLogs nonsense, and a terrible EN esports scene. I have negative interest in the god damn Woo Girls or former-Nina, and the indie Trump memes just weren't the same as the funny rose lady. I don't even know what she really wanted, like a Canadian studio considering how much she liked 3D stuff but not wanting to move to Japan like others are doing? I was really hoping she'd start to work through her anxiety and reach out more, thought the Judge stream and finally having another Japanese chatting stream and another Ange collab after over three years were something to start out again with not a final hurrah, let alone the RosePeto return. Didn't continue Saints Row and doesn't have time to finish Hundred Line either... Just all such a bummer. I wish I had the confidence that people were leaving to pursue their dreams or better and brighter things, but generally they haven't and the scene just gets worse.

>>137007 When somebody says something about "creative differences" being a main reason for leaving, I tend to assume it either means they have projects and ideas that the corpo can't allow or fulfill, or that dealing with Japanese business autism and perms was becoming too draining to continue to deal with. Rosemi has a lot of fun, creative streams under her belt, but it seems like she wants to do more than what she's already doing. Same with stuff like games, I feel like she wants to try and play games that managers would either never allow or would be hell to get perms for. I can't really fault her for feeling that way, if those reasons are why she decided to part ways with Nijisanji. I hope this truly does turn out to be for the best for her.

Idk i've been getting kinda desensitized to most vtuber graduations as of late, i think it's mostly a mix of "they'll pop out again in 2 weeks and do things/hang out with people i don't like", being pretty jaded by many of the past graduations being tied to grifting and poaching and just altogether being exhausted of the EN vtubing scene. I think i'm just at the point where i don't fully even commit to watching streams and just have them on the side while i play something. I think a few years ago i would've been devastated by this but nowadays...idk man, i don't have the energy for it anymore

>>137009 Same, the same song and dance has already been played for me can't really care enough to be emotionally invested. I just want to watch streams in my free time tbh.

>>137010 I also think that's what made me mostly drop Reimu when she started teasing her graduation, it was always the same and being a downer and talking about that while throwing jabs and it's like "bruh you are not my girlfriend, i don't have to hear you bitch for hours" and just tuned out and never watched again because it was a hassle instead of it being fun

>>137008 Conceptually I get what you mean, I just rarely see that when people leave that they take advantage of that in actuality. I don't have a love of corporations, and would do so much to have an EN Ponpoko & Peanuts-kun that do fun projects and have a thriving unity across boundaries. Whether it's game choices that are mostly the same (where are the cool hard-for-perm retro pivots when you don't have to worry about emulators?), less creative streams overall, a greater focus on things like react content, or with music generally people aren't dropping cool self-produced albums they want under their own name instead of an agency. I guess there's Yugo with music and Fulgur with his more explicit than allowed writing, that's it maybe? And former-Yugoo's been clear that going indie has been organizational and planning hell, so it's not like that's a big upside. Even with JP graduations I mostly feel the same, it's like the drive to leave and pursue your own interests with newfound freedom isn't enough to sustain people enough to come up with new ideas for any length of time.

>>137011 >>137012 It is paper/offline works. The disagreements are paper/offline works.

>>137009 to be fair i felt she was already streaming "part time" since like a year ago, like she was just doing enough to exist. nowadays i dunno, in the old guard the ones i liked to watch are most "gone", i'm mostly watching vod and i've got barely any interest in the new hires aside from one stream here and there.

>>137013 I could get people being tired of that, certainly Rosemi has brought up being tired from offline recording and meetings, even when it was something directly relevant to her interest like the Tekken tournament. I guess I just don't get what people who were office workers who theoretically watched JP livers and heard about them doing offline work frequently had as expectations then. I don't know, I wonder if Covid never happened and the hiring was stricter and they all moved out to Japan originally things would have gone more smoothly. Breaking down anxiety directly and having to communicate in person and not worrying about timezones or travel headaches.

>>137017 Office workers also got burned out by meeting/paper works. That's why Rosemi can stay for 4 years. She has experiences. But then again works are works. One day, you got bored/ can't stomach it anymore. Thus, you quit.

>>137013 that wouldn't really line up with what she said

>>137015 >to be fair i felt she was already streaming "part time" since like a year ago, like she was just doing enough to exist. My oshi is this too kek

>>137017 >>137018 Rosemi went a long time without even having a manager, saying she was just burnt out over offline work is just insincere. Management failed her, and even the rest of NijiEN failed her, she's mentioned multiple times how she wanted to get collabs going but people failed to reach out or show interest. I'm sorry but "she just got tired" is such a cop-out answer.

Just wanna drop by to say that its fine to grieve, but not to get caught up in the obvious flame fanning outside, letting frustrations out is gonna happen but dont turn it into thinly veiled anti talk. Also despite some posters in the thread being infuriating with their not-thought-out takes but just let that go since its how they are. so just filter those out while working through the situation

>>137042 While I don't think it's necessarily why she left, she has talked about being frequently tired from recording and meetings or even just getting sick from traveling fairly often, and she just had her Judge stream where a bunch of people joined, what are you even talking about? Even her unofficial Mario Party volleyball tournament ended up having enough people for brackets. She's talked about being nervous and usually @everyone-ing as late as possible to get people involved. Usually she gets in her own head about thinking nobody will want to join, or that they don't share her interests, but she'd be the first to tell you she isn't particularly proactive about it being she's nervous enough to puke about it a lot of the time. If you mean other livers don't reach out, they ping in the Discord for collabs most of the time, and a lot of the really social people she was close to that went out of their way to include her specifically left? "The rest of NijiEN failed her" is some fucking weird head worms to infantilize a grown adult.

>>137009 I also feel completely desensitized to any sort of bad news and have prioritized other interests over watching any stream for the past few months but whenever my 2 main oshis graduate I think I'll still cry and even take leave from work to watch streams despite the whole reincarnation dance and the other doubts.

>>137064 This “they failed her” is giving “the clique” claims schizos are saying tbh. I much rather believe the offline paperworks over making this headcanoning over how close someone is at work

>>137072 Pretty much, we don't have any idea how close people are behind the scenes, and Rosemi especially is very explicit about her anxiety so she's a weird target for this sort of thing. Former-Mayuzumi had a stream the other day about the reason for quitting years ago actually mostly being emotionally exhausted from the intense RP and grappling with a lot of regret since then, after the whole "I can't believe he's dying because of the direction the company is going" reaction people had when it happened originally. Even when people don't immediately turn out to be assholes or grifting or whatever else you want to call it, the public reasoning is often not necessarily the deepest rooted one.

>>137073 This is a common cycle among vtuber fandom unfortunately and it’s not just antis but fans can sometimes fall into this mindset as well Especially when they never experienced working in a corpo

>>137012 notfuuchan has already announced he's going to stream the rest of fatamoru he wasn't allowed to so there's that. i could probably compile a list of ones he wanted to stream but couldn't and use it to predict part of his schedule for the next few years lol.

>>137101 Visual novel focused people definitely have a good reason to be indie overall. Perms hell, plus the times when you get far but aren't allowed to finish on stream are maybe more unsatisfying than never streaming them to begin with. That plus his writing direction make sense to me. It's when VTubers leave a Japanese agency that has permission requirements and then replay games they've finished and the amount of new games that haven't also been played where they were previously can be counted on one hand over a year, that it doesn't make a very solid line of thought to me. Most people aren't going for deep pulls or really interesting picks even.

>>137009 Same. I'll enjoy my oshi as long as she is happy to continue but I've accepted that this will come to an end. While it would be sad, I kind of want my oshi to never come back after graduating because EN vtubing is unredeemable.

>>137105 man those suck the most, i remember feesh couldn't stream the last chapter of spirit hunter and fuuchan decided not to play it either due to that. also whatever happened with togainu no chi that he had to stop after one stream.

>>137114 >togainu no chi Idk anon, maybe it was the naked limbless man being treated like a dog, but also Fu-chan said it was gonna be a one off thing because he was playing the part that was kinda SFWish but everything else would've gotten him banned from YT in record time

All I can say is that I'm happy Rosemi got to make the most of her time in Niji, especially the past year. That being said, I'm on my knees hoping and praying she doesn't join Phase.

>>137120 he was gonna play until the end of the demo like he did for dmmd but couldn't anymore after his first stream. he was hopeful he would get to finish it eventually but it never happened.

I have been looking for friend support threads since I discovered Rosemi's announcement. The closest I can find here are the vent threads. I'm in a place where my family isn't around, and my friends aren't even interested in this. I don't want to be lonely feeling all of this, I want to talk to someone to lessen the pain. But also I don't really want to look around because everything outside this board is pretty much unsafe given how antagonistic everyone is to us. I'm not emotionally stable enough right now to wade through it in hopes of finding one. Does it ever get easier?

>>137128 She's definitely going to be friends with people like Dizzy and Ember, but as for joining Phase who knows. Its more than likely she just stays indie in the future because while it could mean less opportunities, she'll get more of the revenue split. >>137142 In terms of an oshi graduating? It definitely gets easier, though I'm not going to lie that Rosemi's graduation did catch me off guard.

>>137142 >Does it ever get easier? If you mean vtuber graduations, it's gets better over time but the feeling is still there even after years, at least for me. I'd advice to find things to do instead. Watch streams, play vidya, write fanfics, cook IRL, get a pet, talk to your famiy, etc

>>137072 rosemi very explicitly said that she's leaving because of disagreements about how to go forward with her career and grow, things she wanted to do that weren't possible here. "it's just over paperwork" is downright disrespectful and reductive, while i think that saying management "failed her" is certainly melodramatic it's at least closer to reality than completely dismissing her problems

>>137072 >>137152 (me) wait i misread the chain of posts lol, you're talking about saying everyone else failed her not management. okay THAT is schizos, yeah, but the first half of my post otherwise still stands

>>137153 There's plenty she could want to do, from 3D closer to home (she's talked about her dad's health a lot recently, and had that trip with her family, can get not wanting to move) with an actual studio setup since her home one is buggy, to more non-virtual filming stuff which is always a hassle since she likes going on location so to speak, or maybe she really wants more custom merch, or wants to be able to finish things like Rain Code that game perms get in the way of, or that DAM Karaoke reminded her of how much she missed a bigger setlist to pull from, or any number of things that would totally make sense to leave for. She hasn't explained a reason that people here think is lacking in awareness or consideration of others like Reimu has. I don't think the wider EN VTubing scene will ever talk in good faith about this though, and like I mentioned I'm worried if she does redebut that she'll go that direction considering her outside friend group. And really wanted her to reach out more with EN and JP livers instead, and actually work through her anxiety that has if anything gotten worse since the Tekken tournament a year and a half ago (her latest Twitch stream showed she's just gone to saying she has mental illness and sticking with the noose and chair bit). Will gladly support her if she has something she really wants to do and is cool about things like Yugo, and totally understand being done with the Internet or at least VTubing after the past few years if that's the case too.

>>137154 Honestly as an ex pomudachi, i wish some vtubers would graduate and just disappear from the internet and do something else because there's always the chance they do something so dumb it ruins the image you had of them completely (like it happened to me)

>>137154 Yeah the well here has been poisoned for vtubing (and not even talking just the anti-niji sentiment either). I don't know what she plans to do from here but I hope she treads carefully and can thrive in whatever she does.

>>137205 Its Rosemi. She's not like a Reimu that loves drama, Rosemi will probably go back to meming about her upcoming run for American president.

I just hope she doesn't do things with a certain person. Like she's free to do whatever she wants don't get me wrong, I certainly won't say anything to her in any capacity if she does, but doing collabs with a certain yellow bird is a bridge to far for me.

>>137004 Honestly, the signs were there for a long time. Rosemi not having consistent schedules for a year now was a huge red flag. Some of them were due to JP work trips, but a lot of them were kind of out of nowhere with her just disappearing for several weeks for no apparent reasons >>137007 Yeah, her potentially hanging out with bottom of the barrel trash is really unappealing. She's a nice person, but her associates with potential collabs drive me away from any reincarnation activity. I assume Rosemi is leaving due to similar things as Reimu. Which is a bummer, but understandable. >>137008 Well, for example, Yugo had graduated because he demanded management to sign him to a big music label and they denied him. Doubt it's something as absurd in Rosemi's case, but it's usually comes down to stuff in the same vain. >>137128 I really doubt Phase can provide her anything that Niji couldn't >>137154 No offences, but Rosemi had 4 years to deal with her anxiety and to reach out to people. If she hasn't managed to do so in 4 years, she wouldn't be able to do so even if she stayed for long. And yeah, I did notice that her attitude changed quite a bit. She used to be really seiso and family friendly vtuber back in the beginning of her career, and her last year was filled with weird edgelord jokes about gooning and committing suicide, which was giving me huge whiplashes from time to time

>>137142 I had my first oshi graduting. I had my kamioshi graduating. I had 2 other oshis graduating. Hurting depended from case to case bases, but I moved on, eventually. But it does have this scar tissue effect of never going away completely. I also have this issue with my current oshi now where I feel like I can't support her for 100% because of all those graduations, feels like I'm just waiting for her to leave instead of doing my best as a fan. Just a brainworm thing and I wish I didn't have such attitude, but this is how it is. Hope I will manage to reconcile eventually

Will take that anon's advice. >>138238 It's not good vs bad, she's the only one saintgularly does it. It's that you're extrapolating that out to a dozen people and saying that "not overlaping 3Ds" is "holobrony tier autism" where the "JP branch is a majority of people that don't give a fuck about overlap." Which is just patently false, statistically maybe slightly more than one on average isn't a majority out of over a hundred. And that you're glad Aia was streaming over it because you don't think her audience overlaps at all as if the tens or hundred thousand 3D debut watchers are just the regular viewers. That you can't recognize that spreading rumours and assuming relationships about livers is something that people dislike and that you're doing it, and get defensive about it is wild. >>138243 Only time that Rin's been brought up in recent memory because that isn't the fucking JP thread, let along a Hololive one, is the convo about her being best buds with Katojun and even went to his fucking wedding when he's the primary source of VTuber harassment by shithead gamer kids, why Chihiro got harassed for years. Being critical or talking about sources of harassment isn't animosity get a fucking grip. Care about other people. Genuinely befuddling that a Nijisanji board has a dude posting about "shork rumours" as if that's a normal thing to do.

>>138251 You're literally arguing about semantics at this point. Ok, you're right, majority of JP doesn't overlap 3D. Are you happy now? Doesn't make it any less stupid. Caring about overlap is fucking absurd and the fact that Cover made it into an official rule is double absurdity. >her being best buds with Katojun and even went to his fucking wedding when he's the primary source of VTuber harassment Ok, let me get it straight: you're dragging Rin through the dirt over some guilt by association nonsense that happened years ago at this point, and then get upset that I just assumed that 2 livers don't like each other? Telling me that I'm the one spreading rumours and then typing this shit right after is peak absurdity. Get a fucking grip. Unlike you, I haven't insulted a single liver in the whole conversation.

>>138260 If an EN liver went to hang out with Pippa or Asmongold or whatever while they're actively harassing their colleagues I would by critical of them too, that's not an insult, and the conversation was about specifically about sources of harassment. That you're omitting that she's literally the only one that doesn't care about overlap because you think someone thinks she's some nebulous "bad one" as if categorizing people in to good and bad instead of talking about their actions makes sense, and bring up Hololive and later Hololive rumours in to the conversation to just make shit up about Nijisanji is nonsense. To assume that people dislike each other because they're not hanging out publicly feeds in to narratives and delusions, and then propagating other ones makes it doubly worse. Being relieved that you think it's not the case because they interact again or being confused as to why people would ask about your reasoning and they then disregard it when it's built on nothing doesn't make any sense either.

>>138261 Comparing anybody in JP scene to EN shitters is absolutely unfair. Not a single dramafag in JP makes nazi jokes and does alt-right dog whistles while doing racists remarks on every step. Nor any of them target nijisanji specifically because they think it's a "woke" corpo. Comparing some dudebro who said "vtubers suck man" 5 years ago to outright malicious political activists that want to destroy the company because it's way too minority friendly is fucking stupid, and badmouthing a liver over it is even more stupider. >To assume that people dislike each other because they're not hanging out publicly feeds in to narratives and delusions Assuming that every single person in the company is friends with each other is even worse as it creates just as much delusion and miscommunication. Again, I'll repeat: if they don't vibe with each other anymore, it's not an issue. Just like Vox and Reimu stopping interacting with each was not an issue either. People drift away naturally all the time and find new friend groups to hang out with, and some people get left behind. And it's ok. You're not obliged to befriend every single co-worker that you have, if anything, that would be weird.

>>138263 Like I said Katojun is literally responsible for a significant chunk of early VTuber harassment and actively contributed to damaging livers' mental health, and poisoned the JP Twitch well for years to the degree where any collab with a streamer attracted active vitriol. If you don't know the history then obviously nothing compares, and the flavor not being fascist is different, but it's like saying Virtual Buddha and Narukami don't mean anything because EN's got False and Parrot4Chan. Badmouthing and insulting and hateboners or however you else you want to frame it because someone is critical about a specific aspect of a liver you like, at least conceptually since I don't know if you're actually watching and comprehending these people, is immature and irresponsible. I can't imagine watching anybody and thinking that if someone has an issue with something they do that they're automatically a hater and disregarding them outright. Nobody is assuming everybody's friends, that wasn't the conversation in the thread. People have different collab groups that they at least like to do as far as stream interactions, how genuine or work-like obviously varies, that's why I mentioned that some people are close without ever streaming together until suddenly they surprise people. You're the only one who's said they assume people dislike or don't vibe or however else you want to reword it because they haven't interacted in a while and then reset your conception of their relationship when they do again. If you don't even know that Klara got Japanese criticism for doing a boatload with him before solidifying her audience and not doing more things with the girls outside of Denauth, and how that may (or may not, who the fuck knows!) factor in, then why should people take you at face value.

>>138264 Not worth the effort If someone is posting their own headcannons with Hololive rrats and EOP level takes on the JPs, there's nothing to reason with

>>138264 Again, all these JP drama channels are completely different beast and none of them compare to people like parrot or False who aren't even drama channels, but straight up Niji antis that masquerade themselves as drama/news channels. And yes, I would rather take them over anybody in EN. If at least one drama channel would equally shit on hololive and indies instead of targeting Niji only, we wouldn't get stuck in this mess. >you don't even know that Klara got Japanese criticism for doing a boatload with him I know all of it, I directly avoided mentioning this because this IS actual drama that hurts one of the livers and I was being considered. And yes, I do think that this is probably one of the reasons why she doesn't want to hang out with him. Well, this is out of the window now I guess. Love how you try to whiteknight so hard and attack me for "spreading rrats", all the while you just spill dirty laundry and years and years long drama about several livers at this point.

>>138275 You straight up posted Hololive rrats That guy isn't suddenly in the wrong for saying there might be more circumstances beyond disliking people like you said Even saying whiteknight is gross man you're full of it

>>138276 So what? I don't give a shit about hololive, especially about one of the members that graduated already. It was just a throw away comment. Go back to /vt/ and cry about le ebin nijisisters shitting on Holo if it hurts you so much.

>>138277 Why do you think I have a problem with rrats about Hololive only when posting them about any VTuber means you spread rumors like a scumbag Roa has been through enough legal hell that your whole post makes no sense and why would you want EN dramatubers to target wider as if that made VShojo any better You're no better than Ninianon so why would I go to /vt/ where there's like five of those types

>>138282 I have no idea wtf you are even talking about at this point. Roa's situation was entirely Meiro's fault, not some random guy spreading rumours or whatever

>>138285 They mentioned Narukami, the guy she's been in a legal battle with for years?????? Okay you definitely don't know anything then I'll take my own advice and stop talking to you now since it isn't worth it

>>138288 And he didn't spread rumours, he spread Meiro's leak. The guy is just a tool, not the source of the drama.

Last week on noon during japan time a randos in chat in Germany in Sara’s Persona3 playthrough for at least 1 hour. I try calling him out that because no one understand is just littering at this point. Occasionaly he reply in English. Yesterday on Mariring chat I hop 5th minute and I see someone chat in Germany with default letter blue profile picture and name starting with B. yeah it is him. I typed what I said above, going to phone note splitting it into 2 (took my sweet 2 minute) and waited until he post again. I spent next 30 minute watching every chat but he never return. I occasionally return for the next 20 min but nothing. P3 is popular so i thought it is just just random but this mean he most likely watch Nijisanji. If anyone see such behaviour please call him out @bozo you chated during Hoshikawa stream in germany as if anyone understand. is just littering at this point @bozo Talk in English. I know you can. Or Go find german vtuber or something

>>138992 I tend to just watch JP streams in my other monitor and close the chat bar but I guess some EOPs find enjoyment in watching vtubers by being massive attention saints because <Dats normal behavior in le holoEN/ex Vpoach/PHASSE/west indies chats it should work for everyone else durrrrrr Some people just lack basic etiquette so it's hopeless for them. I'd be upset like you too if some retard be obnoxious like this on one of the vsingers I regularly watch, but it's 90% nip comments as usual

>>138992 Either a bot or some schizo, just ignore him >>139015 Yeaaah this shit is really common in Holo girs chat. It's common sight to see few EOPs typing random bullshit and attention whoring as they never get banned for this shit

>>137244 well it seems like its most likely happening

>>139038 Man, that's disappointing. I love Da Wose, but I just can't support that.

>>139040 hopefully im wrong but who knows

Thought the possibility of Rosemi hanging out with those people would bother me less but I was wrong. It does bother me, a lot. Fuck

I mean, they were Rosemi's most frequent collab partners before the drama happened, so they could be good friends irl

>>139100 Rosemi was also collab partners with Elira and Pomu before they even joined Nijisanji IIRC, so that's a factor too. Not to mention that Rosemi didn't say who she got the Antarctica photo from during last year's Obsydia celebration IIRC. It's not really shocking. I still prefer it to someone like Matara or Reimu collabing with Rosemi desu.

>>139101 I was pretty surprised when Reimu mentioned in her member stream that she and Rosemi weren’t really close, although Rosemi is a good coworker — it felt like Rosemi didn’t have many friends in Nijisanji

If someone can't publicly talk about hanging out with you while in Nijisanji without fear of upsetting their audience of shitheads they pander to, whether that's the making up and exaggerating for dramatuber watchers (absurd to me that Nina didn't know how store bulk merch purchases or third party con meet and greet scheduling and payments work for example) or the incel and bigot demographics, then I really don't get continuing to be friends with them. Same when someone only cares about numbers or clipworthy moments or whatever. No matter how kind or complimentary they are behind the scenes we don't see, I don't see how that makes up for the way they act. For actual Nijisanji friends I have no idea, but Selen, Pomu, Nina, and Fulgur all regularly reached out to her for collabs which she has never been very good at doing. Doppio maybe the main one left in that regard? I think she's a lot of fun with other livers, certainly preferable to her dynamic with people who've left and indies, but as far as talking off-stream she has mentioned frequently about not going on Discord usually, hasn't joined most phases of branch hopcon games, and doesn't go for most off-collabs so it's not like there's a lot of opportunities. Even in Enchanted she mostly did her own thing unless explicitly invited. I'm just glad we're getting this Among Us collab, the court stream and volleyball recently, and RosePeto occasionally. That April Fools group last year she arranged with Doppio, Shu, and Meloco was cute, would've been nice to see more of. Or a small collab with Sonny or Vanta who she liked butting heads with in big groups. Or spending the time to be able to hold a proper conversation with Ange or other JP livers she likes a lot. Outside of maybe Yugo she'll be the biggest JP fan who has left, and she didn't really do a lot with many of those livers even if she got the chance to invite them to guest for debuts and concerts.

I genuinely can't even tell if you guys are talking about the Phase Connect shitters like Dizzy or Doki and Mint lmao. The fact that there're so many shitty potential collab partners is really grim. But I will say that Doki and Mint are slightly more tolerable than Dizzy imo

I give another one that will you guys a dread, she will collab with DuelLogs

>>139113 >Outside of maybe Yugo she'll be the biggest JP fan who has left Meloco? She was a huge fan of Utako and straight up cried on stream when she announced her graduation

Rewatched her rare call-in to a one-on-one with Meloco last year and Rosemi wanted to have a BL collab with her, mentioned her preference for two angry guys too... >>139116 I think people have brought it up before, but that we only got one exchange with Kagami while the EN VTuber card game ones are dogshit is a real stinker. Harada and Murray run their fighting game awfully and Sajam sucked so it's not like the FGC side is any better either.

>>139117 Emphasis on "has left." Like an EN liver who has left.

>>139113 Also >can't publicly talk about hanging out with you while in Nijisanji without fear of upsetting their audience of shitheads they pander to Pretty sure Rosemi never expressed that she can't collab or interact with people because of these reasons (hell, she interacts with Dizzy and other PC girls quite often on Twitter, to my discontent) and the reason why she has no collabs is simply because she's afraid to reach out. The one who did express inability to publicly interact with people was Reimu, and hell, look at her fucking "friends" >Shoto Obnoxious retard who leached off literally every male vtuber out there, from every single corpo to an indie, living him all alone as he pushed people away from himself after sucking them dry >Bao An onlyfans saint with incel demographic >Nerissa HoloEN shitter who bend the knee to lovechan >Mori Same as Nerissa but cracked up to 11 >Various questionable vsinger characters like Aruvn No needs even to explain this one Even when we disregard the fact that these people are simply horrible as it is, their audience won't accept her even after severing ties to Niji. She's in the same boat as someone like Hex where people simply don't fucking like her to begin with, outside of the company. From being "Vox's fucktoy" and "part of Enna's clique" to "being racist towards white people", lovechan just simply has a hateboner for her as it is. Can't wait for her to get a reality check and then cry again about "trust issues" for billion of times because she can't read people, doesn't see red flags and then cries when these types of people will immediately throw her under the bus

>>139115 I actually would unironically prefer her collabing with her Phase friends than Doki/Mint. As shitty as the Phase fanbase is (I don't know much about the girls themselves), at least their girls haven't been directly responsible/the main enablers of the harassment the nijien livers faced. And the reunion of the Woo Girls is bound to attract a new wave of hate and ridicule towards the livers now that the only "good one" remaining decided to come to the "good side" with her "true friends". Sadly that's what I see most likely happening, there's no way in hell Doki and Mint aren't gonna take the chance to make a spectacle of their reunion. Shit sucks man, I love Rosemi but I can't stand those two snakes, this is what I've been dreading the most since she announced her graduation.

>>139120 I don't get why people are misreading the subject and structure of these sentences, but was quite patently about the people other than Rosemi. The uptick in Twitter posts wink wink nudge nudging about her started this conversation. When was the last time before the initial announcement not-Pomu or not-Nina mentioned her even vaguely, she sent sympathies to Zen on Twitter before VShojo fully blew up that got ignored, she did stuff with HoloEN a decent amount (though Kiara said she had the most fun talking offline with Petra, which lol never followed up on that) and that dropped off, etc. Phase Connect obviously their own thing, they don't care about appearances.

Isn’t Rosemi kind of shy and autistic? She always got really nervous before hosting a collab. Also, do you guys think Rosemi and Petra are actually (good) friends? From what I can see, the only thing that ties them together is Obsydia. Idk, I could be very wrong tho

>>139131 She's very shy and anxious, that's why people are talking about people saintached out to her regularly that left or are unpleasant indie associations and are worrying that if she redebuts that'll start up again, and were hoping for more Nijisanji outreach the past year or two where maybe she could have made deeper connections. Nobody knows who is friends with who behind the scenes, can only go off of stream dynamics and what people say they do offline. I think a lot of people liked RosePeto, more than a lot of their other regular groups even if they're better friends with them. Seemingly she isn't going to get professional help to work on herself since it's been present since she was very young and it's not just a collab thing, the Spanish anon said her recent Tekken stream she brought up the hanging "joke" and mental illness a bunch so I guess that didn't get better either. I don't know if having more friends or being better adjusted would've made her stay longer, she hasn't gone in depth on her reasoning, but just thoughts people are having while sadposting.

>>139133 The main thing that having people you're close to and able to reach out easily towards that could be relevant to things she's complained about is having people to actually ask how to better handle 3D things. Whether that's studio scheduling instead of assuming you can ask for immediate recording time, or how to setup your Niji3D home setup really well like Ange, or talking to livers who've done their own adhoc body home 3D like Roha or Masaru or whoever.

>>139133 Yeah I know she’s a bit menhera and the girl has to deal with migraines but I like how she still gives off positive vibes .And tbh every vtuber’s menhera to some extent

>>139133 I mean, for an autistic like Rosemi, isn’t it kinda easy to tell who’s a friend and who’s just a colleague, based on who she’s comfortable enough to do 1v1 collabs with?

>>139121 Dizzy in particular is a fucking incel panderer who did unironic "male motivational advice stream" Andrew Tate style, not to mention the usual casual racist remarks and lovechan dogwhistles. I really dislike Mint and Doki but at least they aren't on this level of depravity yet, they're just enablers

>>139138 Oh... yeah that's pretty bad lol

>>139135 With her migraines, her mom and bit of doctor experience has convinced her that the only thing people try for those is anti-depressants, which is pretty off-base and just feeds in to her med scares which combines with the mental aspect's therapy avoidance. She likes to keep up positive vibes which is nice, but just kind of covers stuff which can be tiring to keep up. Especially with all the offline work piling up when she's not in a good condition or wants to stream. >>139136 I don't know if anxiety disorders and being on some sort of spectrum are really the same root issue as opposed to multiple things, lot of EN livers have Something going on but they don't deal with her level of nerves. Plus one on ones could be interest as opposed to actively hanging on, people could connect more or less over time after those, people you like to talk with in big collabs but don't follow up with like that Meloco mention just going by what she said. Audience never really can know short of being very explicit, and even that can be performative. >>139138 >>139140 Fucking sucks out there man.

Honestly, I really don't think Mint and Doki care enough about Rosemi to actively seek out collabs with her. Doki, despite her LOVING to one up people and do shit out of spite, won't collab with Rosemi just to dunk on Niji (even though she would love too). She's incredibly mercantile and already nested herself really well with that whole ex-HoloEN clique. Just like in Vivi's case, there's a REALLY high chance she simply won't acknowledge her existence unless Rosemi will somehow get huge number boost after graduating. Mint is possible, buuut idk how close they are. From their interactions (both pre Niji and in Niji) I kind of doubt it, they were friendly but they were never close in any way. Matara is possible but I have a high suspicion that she tried to poach her to vslopjo, Rosemi told her to fuck off and they drifted away afterwards. One off collab is possible but I don't think that they will hang out with each other afterwards. Sadly PC clique shit is highly likely, all of them were friends with her before Niji and those PC shitters will actively try to collab with her to dank on Niji (and possibly to poach her). In this case I really hope her current fanbase will simply reject these retards as majority of her fanbase right now are regular Niji fans, not lovechan edgelords. The only people I more or less fine with are the snake woman, Nova and Zentreya. All of them have their downside but they're the most decent people out of the whole pool tbh.

>>139141 Kind of bizarre to realise that every single female EN liver that management hired has some kind of social anxiety disorder and mental health issue. Nina was probably the only extrovert and she was severely mentally ill too

>>139143 I'm simply not going to assume, even after some delay, considering Pomu's "I don't want to join VShojo or be an idol" and talking about about VTubing being CGDCT to her, that song and dance right after debut turned in to all that. Feel like hanging out with Rosemi post-Nijisanji and "saving" her with collabs and a bad concert is easy brownie points. While I think it's more Da Wose being head empty than political pandering like them, Phase Connect would eat up her Trump roleplay which she's gone back to this year, plus more making fun of rap lyrics and going harder on the suicide jokes, not like Rosemi couldn't go with the flow unfortunately. With the less cursed people, wouldn't be surprised if she redebuted that she'd do more with Hazumi, who likes to invite her and is also on good terms with others in EN like Vanta. >>139145 Majority of the guys too. Not judging them for that, lots of people have mental and physical health stuff going on. Can't say I love it when they don't work to mitigate aspects of it that feed in to miscommunication or are self-centered and don't realize other people are also dealing with their own personal hells that they then contribute to though. They pay for therapy, and excuses only work in good faith and when you're not actively being an asshole.

>>139147 I think people should've realised what kind of person Pomu is after her online history got leaked. If you look at her past deeds (attenthionwhoring on lovechan, leeching off cosplay community, throwing people there under the bus in the same vain she did to Elira etc.), it shows that it's no betrayal nor her selling out, but a consistent pattern. Hell, we don't even need to go back that far: the first thing she did when she started doing vtubing, she went to /jp/ to promote herself and then started collab spamming with pikamee, Millie's PL, the whole Hanamori group etc. There's no passion nor sportsmanship in anything she ever did. She just did a thing that she kind of liked and then went there to get famous. This is the truth. If you thought Pomu ever did anything for passion and not for profit, well, you were wrong. Same goes for Doki but with her it's even more transparent, she outright said that she does anything for appreciation My whole point was that I don't see how collabing with Rosemi would get them any benefits, that's all. She has no big noombers nor she can provide them with anything useful. Kind of forgot about Hazumi but yeah, I do hope she will hang out with her. She's kind of a repellent of your typical /lig/shitter, her collabing and hanging out with Niji helped a lot in that I still remember how Sayu stopped interacting with her right after she started hanging out with Nijis, it was so funny >Majority of the guys too Not really. Guys have their moments, but besides Ike, Yugo and Fuuchan, can't call any of them menheras. There were also Mysta and Hex but both of them were just poorfags who got in to get money, got the money and fucked off. But I must say that Hex is a way more pleasant person than Mysta Yeah you can make arguments about Vox's mental breakdowns, or Claude and Ryoma crashing out but honestly, not a single guy compares to people like Zaion, Selen, Twisty.

>>139149 I hope for people to better themselves over time, even if they start out pre-VTubing to be unpleasant people. Often times I have no way of knowing. People showing years down the line that it was all a grift doesn't really give me any solace, just a "dang this is way to common in EN VTubing" feeling. Just said that I'm not going to assume livers who leave, even positively, will continue acting the same way or go down an interesting avenue. And that's taking in to account that character work is mostly dead too, so the bar is low. That last reply was toward anon mentioning social anxiety and mental health issues, to which I added physical health, not specifically about blowing up or being manipulative. Wasn't really talking about specific levels or comparing, just that so many people have their own thing they're working through and wouldn't focus on just gender or if they've left the company, more how that manifests or people work with it or take things out on others varies.

>>139152 In order for a person to change in a positive vain, there has to be some kind of catalyst, room for self reflection and solace to better themselves. It's impossible to achieve any of these when you do vtubing and have dozens of groomers telling you "yes queen, you did nothing wrong". I used to be in a shitty predicament for fucking years and was your typical groyper from /pol/ for over 5 years. The catalyst for me to change was LITERALLY losing my home and most of my possessions and then moving out in a different place alltogether. These people won't change because there're no reasons for them to change. In their mind, they are perfect, and people constantly reaffirming them only feeds on to that notion.

Did the rrat that Mint would collab with notRosemi come from this?

>>139157 That's peak attentionwhoring right there. The comment is straight up absurd when you consider that crab woman didn't go anywhere. Just fucking DM her you dumb cunt.

>>139149 I personally never liked her, but I gave her the benefit of the doubt a lot more than I should have, even after she threw Finana under the bus with the whole "it was her idea to invite Uki actually, I was set up!", all while giving herself a pat on the back for being such a good friend to her, that shit was downright sociopathic. Then she did a similar thing with Millie. She also kept doing the pity baiting shit all the time and making passive aggressive comments towards other livers knowing perfectly well how schizo her fanbase was. When the leaks happened I wasn't surprised at all, it only confirmed that she had a history of doing that shit and hadn't changed at all, she just got better at hiding it.

>>139157 Damn the chance must be very likely then, dont know about Dokieb tho , must be very awkward if it happens since Rosemi career got fucked up because of her incident

>>139157 Mint: Stop being a grifter cunt [CHALLENGE IMPOSSIBLE] >>139160 Kani doesn't stream anymore so she cannot leech her, that means she's literally dead

>>139177 Part of me wants for Rosemi to just retire ngl

>>139102 I can see it. Maybe there werent many people that Rosemi felt like were on her same "wavelength", you don't hate them but again you aren't overly friendly either. Because she was still friendly with people like Doppio and Fulgur, too. Its that or maybe she felt like it was easier to make friends when there was only 6 people for a while instead of multiple new people being added per year, nevermind the now added fear of not knowing which coworker might drag you into their mess.

>>139157 It could be a hint or an indication, but it seems like most people (on 4chan) believe it to be because of this. https://x.com/dokisfish/status/1958338397719634282

>>139189 She has said that she found it harder to reach out when the branch got bigger, though I don't think it being smaller or the livers being earlier debuts means you'd have less of a mess at the end of the day though. She watches JP and the livers they lost mostly left early on and there were a lot there when she joined even if it's not the debut rush nowadays of the first two years. EN early rush and slowdown very similar. I don't know about wavelengths or friendships, but I think if she leaned more in to her Japanese interests than her English ones, she'd probably find even more livers with similar tastes. It's not like there aren't EN people for the English game stuff either though. Could do a WoW collab or some FNAF thing or face someone in MTG or queue together in CS:GO or TF2 or any number of things that at least one or two other EN members are in to. About the only thing people weren't as in to was Tekken, but people played in the tournament and probably could have gotten more collabs if the timing was right. Nerves, usual wose inviters leaving, not joining many hopcons or mingling events, all play a factor. The Doppio childhood nostalgia collab if it was a regular thing might have convinced her that she does have things in common with people.

Actually, I believe in Rosemi's professionalism. She could collab with Mint back and forth, but that’s about it. The same can’t be said for Reimu, though—she seems a bit drama-hungry. She even followed Mint, Dokie, and Sayu in her PL, even before she graduated

>>139191 That could literally be anyone, though—like her ex-Holo friends or any of her idol group members in VShojo.

>>139309 The main thing that stands out to me is that the group was, at least supposedly, already all mutual friends. Rosemi has never had anything to do with Limes or Snuffy so that's why I don't think it's her.

>>139309 As a bud, I don’t want her to join that group either since her autistic could ruin their supposed 'chemistry,' and she would stick out like a sore thumb, especially since 4-player co-op games are pretty common

>>139143 The worst outcome would be Rosemi joining Phase Connect and becoming a new member of the Sloppy Sisters. And also, why is Phase so hated? I’ve never watched them, so I don’t know.

>>139131 Even before the drama happened, there wasn’t much chemistry between the two. I doubt they would ever collab if they were both indie.

>>139314 For all the reasonable Zuttomo complaints, I do think Woo Girls starting up and Selen inviting Rosemi to all kinds of collabs but not usually Petra, and also refusing on stream Petra's suggestion that Obsydia collab more than like once a year on their anniversary is a pretty big reason why the wave bonding seemed fucked. Even if you compare the amount of streams outside of Woo Girls she had with Rosemi and not Petra it's many times that number. That being said, Petra and Rosemi's chemistry has always been good if you watched what was there, they can actually talk to each other and share interests beyond "FPS" and the jokes are funny/not overly edgy. Last Selen and Rosemi collab, Selen thought her other friend sincerely asking her not to joke about London acid attacks made for the funniest material and Rosemi got stuck on that for a while. Even the Obsydia anniversary with Selen were fun though. I think if Rosemi hung out more with Japanese VTubers or was an English utaite as an indie they might have interacted, but ya probably wouldn't have naturally formed a group before or without Nijisanji. Don't think most waves would've had a chance to outside of pre-existing friend groups too.

Would you guys hate Rosemi if she collabed with Mint and Doki frequently? I think she and Fulgur are pretty respectable since they’ve been with us through the hardest times, even though they weren’t involved in any of those dramas. And I don’t think they would ever throw shade at us when they reincarnate

>>139330 I would be disappointed and stop following her, but that's about it. I doubt anyone would hate her lol, unless she turns out to be the biggest snake ever, which I don't see ever happening. Unlike Selen, Pomu and Nina, who always showed signs of being two-faced (some more obvious than others), Rosemi has never showed such traits, so even if she collabs with them regularly, I'd still think Rosemi is a good girl, just a very naive one who hangs out with a bad crowd.

>>139330 I'm gonna be honest, I'd feel a little weird because they did some things I don't approve but I mostly already forgave both, Pomu never really did anything wrong from my eyes but she was incredibly menhera, I actually liked her introducing me to the world of wota and chikagei, her stream were fun until the metal gear arc where I couldn't stand it, she was going through some bad stuff so I can't blame her for finding solace in the franchise. Her karaokes were always top notch too, one of the first ones I actually listened multiple times. Her minecraft autism was cute too, from not being able to make a crafting table to constructing huge structures was a nice journey. As for Selen she had some great ideas for events and dumb collabs even if scuffed, nijicancelled made me go hysteric from laughing. She had a good chemistry with Pomu on minecraft that created many memorable moments like the boat arc, chicken sons, oh diamonds and what not. She tried to bring Obsydia together too in the anniversaries which I appreciated, the minecraft resourcepack was such a good idea and I wish if things have gone right we would have references from people until this day. What makes me sad and bitter is how she weaponized her fanbase to attack Nijisanji after messing up which she never owned up to it and unfortunately dramaniggers caught on and jumped on the bandwagon turning us into some kind of boogeyman that still affects us to this day. Honestly I think we still would have been a target because we were never unicorn-friendly. I haven't watched Mint since her first ever karaoke because I felt sorta betrayed thinking about her "taking sides" but this is all dumb overthinking and it's all in the past, there's no reason to keep the animosity but I also have no reason to like her unless Rosemi reincarnates and start having fun with her and Doki, although I will still feel sad they won't talk good about NijiEN which I still love. I want to think more like Ren, it doesn't matter where they are from, they just want to make people smile and have fun. I know it's going to be difficult because we sort of ended up isolating ourselves to protect our own but maybe there's a brighter future where we can be friends again.

>>139330 I was hoping for more RosePeto when Petra came back fully, so a pivot to collabing with them and reactionary Phase Connect members would be whiplash. I have zero interest in people that platform fascists or enable unicorns and all that, and I've found nearly everything they did for maybe a year before leaving and certainly everything since deeply embarrassing and pathetic at best. Not hate, but I wouldn't have a lot of interest in continuing to watch her. Hope she goes on to do something actually fun or pursues something unrelated to VTubing because the community certainly never holds people responsible for what they say or do, and no offense to other anon but I think Ren or Yugo's let's all get along thing doesn't work when they they collabed with dramatubers and talked with tabloids, and definitely not when the people who left hang out and do concerts with someone whose far-right pandered to uncontrolled audience member winds up on the news for threatening crowds with firearms.

>>139330 The thing is, although I hate to admit it, frequent collabs with them and Matara would make her relevant in the indie sphere, which would give her a boost and stabilize her viewership after she redebuts. So I won’t blame her, since I think anyone would take that if given the chance

>>139353 I'm aware of that, which is why I think a reunion is very likely happening. Still disappointing though, but I can't blame her, people have pretty much been harassing her for over a year to graduate and reunite with the "good ones", I imagine it's not a very pleasant position to be in.

>>139588 Well, yeah—if they’ve been friends all this time and she still didn’t leave Niji for a boost from dramafags, choosing instead to keep it all to herself, the girl must really love Nijisanji

I wouldn't mind her reuniting with Mint and Doki, it may be my first time watching them kek I think that if she doesn't have anything negative to say about her career in Niji and just goes and says a job is a job then cool. I do want her to do something that'll take the wind out the sails of the unicorns like Kunai did but eh. I'd rather her collab with Mint and Doki than Filian, Pippa, hell anyone from Phase.

If someone is choosing who to hang out with based on boosting their numbers, redebut related or other, I'd dislike that even more than naivety. I would not take that if given the chance actually, would sooner get another actual job and not abandon any self-respect. I just think all these EN VTubers being brought up are different versions of the same thing, and don't see the need to differentiate much when they all boost each other until someone needs to stab someone in the back in a hypocritical self-serving way that doesn't address any issues with whatever pyramid scheme or politics or identity grift they have going. They lie through their god damn teeth about basic easily provable things and their audiences eat it up, and none of their peers care enough to say anything because they all benefit from feeding in to the virality of drama through out of context clips. Would not give the hypocrites that feed in to years of harassment of you or your current or former co-workers the time of day, but that's just me.

>>139640 Not sure why people keep bringing up Phase collabs when she was never particularly close with anyone in it. Even Dizzy, who she's arguably "closest with", they are still not that close and still have a lot of distance and awkwardness between them. She has never talked or interacted with anyone else there really. >>139641 Funny you said that because she kind alluded to something similar in the past. But anyways, for her currently, it seems to be a "damned if she does" "damned if she doesn't situation". Retards would flame and anti her if she doesn't do anything with ex-nijis, and if she does people in this thread would anti her. I don't really think there's a right choice, and I feel bad since she didn't do anything to put herself in this situation. People were addressing it earlier but I do believe this whole situation has made her a bit depressed, and it aligned with all the shit that went down last year. She admitted that she was feeling down over it and was saddened over people's reactions, not even necessarily to her or her involvement but the vtubing fanbase in general. That is very likely why she's expressed just wanting to hang with family, or friends after her graduation. I do feel like she'll be back since she sounded like there's still stuff she wanted to do but she's probably thinking of whether it's worth it or not.

>>139643 Difference is people here, at least not in the thread, aren't encouraging harassment or even expressing hate toward her in these hypotheticals. Possible disappointment isn't even remotely equivalent. And really damned either way isn't a sentiment that takes in to account having a moral compass that they can stick to and simply walk away from the whole retinue of people unless they have the interest in riding coattails and farming a fickle heartless audience. If you want to do interesting work on your own terms or with people that are like minded that you choose, why not actually do that. Any number of reasons to quit, you don't owe a company your life and people have their own goals and interests, that's not a good reason most people act the way they have though.

>>139643 Rosemi is pretty creative and I could see her doing things beyond vtubing. I just don't want her name in dramafags mouths. It would be funny of her to just not do anything after leaving Niji and leaving all the chuds that so desperately wanted her to go in a state of drought. I hate that things are in such a state with EN vtubing but it was the natural endpoint anyhow, Selen Shitshow or not. People didn't like that Finana stood her ground on the trap stuff, people didn't like that there were two male waves in a row that weren't the conceptual brotubers they had in mind, people didn't like that a branch filled with different races and ethnicities made fun of white people especially the most outwardly homosexual asian-american in the branch. People had been waiting to get one up on NijiEN and different things from Sayu's letter, AR Live delay, Mysta thinking the company was supposed to help with his home taxes etc. was the fuel for them. The Doki shit just sped it up and amplified.

>>139330 even if i didnt want to hate her, just by association with Doki makes me feel negatively towards someone since she'll most definitely be taken up by the Dokimint fans to spam anti niji memes again

I'm... not crazy, right? They do remember that this is the same rancid menhera who sabotaged everyone else by weaponized the western dramanigs, right? I think it would be incredibly disappointing if they became friendly again, although I have a very bad thought that the optimal way to manipulate the situation would be to force them to be friendly, under threat of stochastic anti bullshit on anyone who becomes indie now.

What is up with a bunch of the recent rosemi posts? I understand that a fair number can be naive or ignorant, but other posts are thinly veiled revisionism. Theres also a hint concerntrolling on other posts that preemptively paint people here of wrong think in case they arent blindly supportive.

>>139717 I don't even know tbh.

>>139330 I'm in the minority where I wouldn't care at all, but that's just because my position is different than the rest anyways. But I also don't see collabs happening frequently anyways because the latter two are very busy now, its just as likely that Rosemi becomes a solo streamer.

>>139330 The bigger worry is that she ends up with a fanbase similar to Mint’s.

>>139715 That's what I was trying to say. She's basically stuck between a rock and a hard place where she's viewed as bad by either two factions based on what she does because of the general vtubing fanbase and Doki's initial shitshow.

>>139735 I don't think that'll be the case, there's several reasons why Mint's fanbase is the way it is; for starters she's a huge numberfag, is unhealthily parasocial and unicorn friendly, is deeply insecure and has constant mental breakdowns, which feeds into this parasocialism and causes her fanbase to be overly protective of her and hostile and vindictive towards anyone who has seemingly wronged her. There's also the fact that she encourages her audience to pretty much stalk her irl, and a bunch of other stuff, but you get the picture. And I'm not even being an anti, all of this is stuff most of her fans would admit, and I know this because I used to watch her until not that long ago. Rosemi is actually professional, so even in the worst case I doubt her fanbase will get to that level.

Offtopic, and I might be retarded, but do you guys think Petra just gave up and abandoned her viewers? I know people have been saying she’s focusing on studying, but not a single stream for a whole year? And she occasionally shows up on other people’s streams, so it’s not like she’s that busy.

>>139758 Well you'd be correct, this is a poor quality post despite the thread bar being people acting like criticizing dramamongers is in the same league as anti behavior and that VTubers lying and letting harassment run rampant isn't a deal breaker for association. In any case, have no idea why she doesn't stream on her channel, but I don't blame her for wanting to focus on her studies considering everything. Even excluding the livers who also took off nearly as long for university, Amemori hasn't streamed in years and it's not like people are trying to kill her off. I thought her tourney group was a lot of fun, preferred that more than if those Zuttomo collabs had been on her channel. Would care more about how much people contribute to the scene with what they do than caring about fanbases. My watchable criteria at this point is can they hold a conversation and do they behave like a decent human being in public at least.

>>139189 >>139208 Rosemi straight up was afraid to have a collab with Ver of all people because "she's not good enough to play YGO PvP with another person". She pretty much had the same mindset about everything tbh. This "I'm not good enough" mentallity was what prevented her to commit to anything when it comes to branch activity. Hell, in retrospective, besides some on 1 collabs here and there and amogus hopcones without POV, she really avoided joining any tournaments and collabs period. Even that fucking woo girls thing only happened because Pomu LITERALLY DRAGGED HER OUT from her hotel room to do an imprompto collab

>>139308 I guarantee you, all of these people will simply ignore Reimu's existence. Even if Reimu approaches them, this will be "@GawrGura" 2.0.

>>139191 >>139313 I personally hate Mint, Phase Connect and majority of EN scene for the plain reason of them being incredibly cringe. All of them pander to either lovechan or ironic weeb crowds, no in between. Hell, this was one of the huge reasons why I refused to watche vtubers up until 2022 as due to mine prior exposure to HoloEN and their fanbase, I thought all vtubers were like that. When I stumbled upon Niji, it was eye-opening experience of realising that you can be a vtuber and not radiate pure cringe energy. 3 years later and nothing has changed sadly. I think that most of EN scene are irony poisoned cringelords that act smug about everything while pandering to the lowest denominators imaginable Like I remember I even tried watching Tenma from Phase as on paper, she does everything I like. I couldn't fucking bare watching even an hour of her as she was doing "How are you guys doing, watching vtuber doing vtubing things eh?" non-stop. It's like a Marvel Movie where a character tries really hard to not say nigger because "we can't say such words here" but dances around the idea of saying it. Why should I spent my time watching an anime girl who spews random lovechan memes while delivering everything in the most ironic and self-aware way possible? It's just cringe, and I can tell that everybody who watches this shit live are either literal mouthbreathers or seaggers who just wants to see somebody say or do something "based" despite the content being shit. Same applies to the whole streaming as a whole tbh and vtubing is just a byproduct of it. Like I can't imagine anybody actually watches somebody like Tectone seriously and not because "he hates trannies".

>>139308 >>139768 Also, you guys really should cut out this whole "twitter following" autism. Following/unfollowing doesn't mean jackshit and shouldn't indicate that somebody endorses somebody and vice verse. It is weird that she follows them, but knowing Reimu, she might as well follow Sayu just for the sake of her drama posts. I kind of get it though. Like majority if people follow Kanye West just to see when he'll crash out next time, not because they think he's cool.

Lets change the mood. Let's talk about wilsoneer. Why are they like that?

>>139342 I'll just say that you aren't obliged to keep liking people just because they made some funny stream 3 years ago, and vice versa. Separate the content from the creator. I know it's hard to do in the medium build on parasocial relationship, but I would rather have fond memories and sleep well overnight rather than think about the person I "liked" becoming some racist douchebag. You don't really know this people and never will, so treat them like you would treat a clown in a circus rather than your friend.

>>139771 have you seen wilson? he is the embodiment of playing hard to get and it makes people (coughvoxcough) go absolute bonkers

>>139755 >unicorn friendly Not really? If anything, it's lovechan revisionism where they tried to paint Mint as always being "based" or whatever. She collabed with males even before Niji (she even collabed with fucking Mysta's PL of all people) and never shied away from males interactions. Hell, even now, she straight up hanged out with Vinesauce off-stream, the guy who straight up her type. Now I'm not saying she doesn't have unicorns or gachikoi, she does and these people were the main source of every schizo meltdown that happened, both in Niji and outside of Niji. The issue with her is that she really can't say no to her fanbase, period. She either ignores their pleas when it's convenient or bows down when it's a better thing to do in the moment. She is incredibly clingy and parasocial and loves to rely on her audience way too much, that much is true. The reason of her having such shitty fanbase was because she fucking went to promote herself on /jp/ in her heyday, which did accumulate your typical lovechan shitter audience early on. Not to mention she did pander to this type of audience with her demeanour, jokes and dogwhistles

>>139774 Not that anon, but I think early on not shutting down the sort of comments she got when she interacted with ID guys on the Minecraft server, or the Uki off-collab previously mentioned, actively contributes to letting scum fester in an audience. Bowing down is part of unicorn pandering. And considering the latter I actively saw some leaving comments were Kiara fans, it's a cycle that is if anything encouraged and fed in to. Immediately after leaving saying that what you like about VTubing is that it's cute girls doing cute things and you only watch one VTuber guy (and she obviously wasn't in to Belmond's Minecraft or Metal Gear stuff before she got in to those in Nijisanji, so even that was that seemed like it was more that his design and voice was her type) makes the whole actually being interested in what's cool about Nijisanji or Mito who she talked up ring incredibly hollow.

>>139774 on purpose or not, she hasn't had a single collab with a guy outside of big groups since she's come back. her fanbase absolutely has unicorns mixed in and it's not surprising at all >she straight up hanged out with Vinesauce off-stream not really, she just said hi to him at an event. on top of that, for whatever reason, off-stream interactions and especially with random "fleshtuber" guys rarely bother anyone but the most over the top unicorns

>>139771 EGGS???

>>139767 With how she privated her CoD Warzone tourney with Ryoma because she probably didn't expect something previously casual like CoD to become an ungodly sweatfest, yeah it just sounds like a serious case of performance anxiety.

I fucking hate how this mongoloid country voted for a felon TWICE and now his hands have ruined every bit of our weeb hobbies. Why must it cost $80 minimum to ship some acryllic stands?!

>>139865 On one side i feel for you, on the other i blame most burger weebs for falling for the Elon grift, well i blame them for many things, EN vtubing sphere being how it is too but that's mostly because of all the political grifters that kinda mesh together with what i said first

>>139867 Oh yeah, make no mistake I totally put the blame on them. Worst part is they'll either care when it affects them or they'll act as if they didn't know what they were signing up for.

>>139865 Well good news and bad news, good news is that you don't have to worry about tariffs for merch anymore, bad ones is that you can't import them at all probably

>>139771 being a wilsoneer before the enchanted boom used to be comfy and now i think his content brain has amplified but i get it ig

>>140346 You mean pre minecraft movie

Will post in here instead of the other thread to not derail since the stream moved on, but Vanta's take sucked and between this and Ryoma's alt meltdown and how Reimu's handled leaving and everything I don't get why people can't learn to shut the fuck up and think before they say or post something and realize that an audience understanding they having imperfect knowledge doesn't mean that people are going to agree with your reasoning or not care about VTubing beyond your own self-interests. Something deeply wrong with the English internet where thinking about how things affect other people is forbidden. I see Nina doing her flower nudge to Rosemi on her old account she opened up again in this exact same way and I don't get how someone can't see that this all plays in to the same thing. And I do not think speaking with ex-livers would actually bring much benefit considering how most of them have acted like terrible people, so why would going off of the last thing that was said publicly by a liver that left within the past few months even be the worst assumption someone could make. I take the bad gender conversations and media taste all the time, at least that's not directly about his job!

>>140964 Vanta made the most harmless joke about his own PL, didn't even include anybody else, it's his own business and he knows if he's allowed to do it or not, the only one who could win/lose anything is just himself, if it were another liver then i'd say it's reproachable but it was himself

>>140967 The core of the thing is caring about portraying a character, literally the entire basis of Nijisanji and the work people do. Dozens upon dozens of people for approaching a decade now. If he can't understand why people in the audience who have watched for years would care about that, then I don't understand what he thinks VTubing is. Hehe and wink wink nudge nudge and vague posting overall as a go-to has led to nothing good and I am getting increasingly tired of the cesspool ever expanding and any good faith I have that livers actually care about the thing they applied for getting flushed down the drain. That one of less than a handful of people who have left and not acted like a petulant child since then talked about wanting people to be chill about it in very recent times doesn't matter when the encouragement is coming from inside the house. At least try to control your audience, not feed in to their worst tendencies, it's the least you can do as someone with an online presence.

I don't even know Vanta had a PL, I thought he's just a random nigga who had a nigga moment with tazumi and ended up hring him. Now I know, I wish I didn't know but here we are. Also, the tarriffs thing might be an influence for some pf livers decisions. Probably why some of them is in Japan now to circumvent it. Who knows, I might just be talking out of my ass though

>>140971 it's a pet peeve of mine too but nijien has never been great in this aspect, they hired too many normies early on. you know who cares more about kayfabe/lore/vtubing culture than probably half our livers? merryweather lol.

>>140977 He brought it up on stream and gave a poor reasoning for it, wouldn't have mentioned it in the thread if he didn't and anons thought it was based for some reason. >>140978 Maybe, but even with Merryweather it's lore he wants to write that livers don't bring up much after spending a lot of money on their debut instead of character acting on stream and expanding and exploring what they want naturally over time. It's sort of like when a piece of media has a big lore dump at the start instead of prioritizing the writing or acting throughout. Vanta had a fun goofy debut, I'm not expecting something overly serious from him, just any sort of understanding of why something is done or why people have certain expectations instead of thinking every criticism is inert because nobody knows what's going on exactly at all times. Like I said, not unique to him, just part of a frustrating trend. It's like a competition to tick off any support Japanese fans have for the branch after all EN has been through and I don't get why.

>>140981 idk if you watched merry on fuuchan's graduation totsu but it really grew my respect for him. yeah i'm not partial to his style of debut lore either but i appreciate his passion for vtubing and seeing it as an art form. as for vanta, i like him but as you said, he has his frustrating points, at times he reminds me of kyo with his stubbornness and contrarianism.

>>140982 Definitely better than being irony poisoned about it. And agreed, I like Vanta a bunch, easily some of the best comedic skills in the branch and if he puts his mind to it can be very creative and sharp, but I rarely agree with what he says about anything meaningful and that compounded with an aspect of the culture that I think is directly relevant to why everything has turned out the way it has is particularly frustrating. Kyo dug holes all the time as well, yes, it's unfortunately common.

>>140971 Then don't watch, i had problems with the shit Ryoma said, unsubbed, unfollowed and just don't talk about him, that's it, by bitching about it you just make more noise and get more eyes on it

>>140987 Anon, you're in a vent thread of an anonymous imageboard after other people posted about it while Vanta brought it up on stream, and asked himself for it his thoughts to be spread around. There's no more eyes on it than he wanted himself. If a regular viewer finds something frustrating and your first thought is disengaging person by person with the whole branch instead of being critical without being hateful about it as an option here then what's the point? Apathy isn't actually productive. I for one wish people ever owned up to anything and took responsibility, and being upset about that doesn't seem weird to me.

>>141002 Simple: rratpeddling is retarded and the people angry about it in the thread look like idiots that just pick and select whatever some livers say as true and others fake to fit a narrative in their head. >"Ah yes what Fu-chan said a few moths back is true but what Vanta said right now is fake" Guy literally said "if you're not my manager, or know an ex-liver or know my contract then you don't know anything" and he's right to complain about it because he's sick and tired of people assuming shit and we could be in a fucking tea party in the Queen's garden instead of here and i'd still think it's stupid as fuck. Also the fixation this thread has with "the view of the japanese" when a bunch of people here don't even watch japanese streamers, not even talking about Nijsianji here, just japanese streamers in general and display the greatest case of "thing -> thing Japan" is just annoying, people in this thread assume Japan is some kind of samurai land with the golden bushido law and if they break it they commit seppuku when many streamers that have been vtubers in Japan too make "wink wink nudge nudge" to their PL

>>141006 I don't know how what they were saying was "rratpeddling" when it's something about what people have said, and about how people disregard things. I've been watching Nijisanji JP for a long time, and keep up with surrounding people including non-V, and I can quite honestly say you're full of it. For the most part they don't even hire people with a VTubing history, but even the ones they do, and even the ones more recently now that collabs with former members are more common, don't do that. But please point out the last or next time Nana or whoever replies to a fan that posts her previous model. Even Mayuzumi that was mentioned in here about opening up emotionally about things recently was very vague about specifics and didn't mention things expliclity, and they already left the company. Western chauvinism and the entire Twitch sphere being awful is a much bigger problem in VTubing than Orientalist "thing Japan" takes. I don't even know why you're on a board for a Japanese company when you bring up bushido and seppuku like some kind of post-WW2 era racist, why not just go stream in a suicide forest for content too. It's not a fantasy land or some sort of imaginary idea that people would want those to learn to read the proverbial room. I can honestly think of very few instances of the EN audience caring about the existing thing before getting involved and mucking up every aspect of the culture, because the default cultural hegemony of their empire is to be the center of the universe. I don't know about "petulant child" but that mindset is absolutely present in everyone who has turned out to be an asshole.

>>140977 You weren't in the NijiEN thread on the green site before he debuted? Some guy appeared, posted his PL and said "yeah, this guy is most likely in, keep an eye on him" Weirdly enough, the same guy reappeared again and posted Klara's PL and said the same thing. Also, in Klara's case, they were teasing her PL graduation before it was officially announced, so he definitely knew both of them personally >Couldn't be an insider from Niji's part This is what people assumed back then as Krisis' pre-debut was a shitshow full of leaks and such, but when people asked about other potential debuts, he didn't know anything concrete at all, so it was a leak from the other side. Also, his wording in both cases was put in such a way that it felt like they personally hinted about joining to them.

>>140981 It reminds me how Zaion commissioned Merryweather to do that whole super serious lore, made her genmates do that dumb school RP and then proceeded to act like your typical twitch retard with edgy jokes, all while disregarding any vtubing etiquette whatsoever. Like, what's the point? I know she probably thought that big lore with merryweather on board would bring her clout or whatever, but even this mindset is retarded to begin with as people in the west don't care about vtubing lore

If I'm being honest, I've pretty much "given up" on the western Vtuber community. Feels like it's more of a thing of its own that branched off from the original JP culture, which on hindsight, was inevitable. For PL baiting in particular, I feel like part of it is the general anti-corpo mindset after everything that's happened. There are people who see corpos restricting their talents from mentioning their PL as a way to control them, which I kinda get because if the talent wants to graduate or the company goes under, they would want to let their fans know where to look for them. I got sick of everything and just moved on to focusing on JP livers where things feel more comfortable. Of course, the JP community has its own can of worms and is in some ways, even worse, but for me, it's still preferable.

Since Mayuzumi was brought up again, very different thing and yes it's not like previous work wink wink nudge nudge is regularly done while VTubing so I don't know what that anon is talking about. Very weird to bring up samurai and seppuku, have some strange racist hangups. My worries about Rosemi were not unfounded since former-Nina immediately hopped on that and she neither had an Rosemi-unfulfillable project immediately in mind or take a long offline break, hopefully she does her own thing. >>141026 It's not like they're aware of JP indies and the culture of anonymity from places like Niconico either. The anti-corpo thing is so often just an excuse considering how many of the people saying that are in to Hololive or Phase or VShojo, and the talent freedom they want is to be able to be or hang out with fascists or ignore copyright or stream react content more often than not. People mostly aren't actually critical of corporations there, and they don't pay attention to what those who actually have tried to strike it out on their own like former-Yugo have said. And there's matome sites or S-K or the anti thread, Ruri got S-K dogpilled from botted comments on the NijiNoon program recently, but having a sense of professionalism as an entertainer goes hand in hand with people actually being shamed for being terrible in public spaces instead of cheering them on. Just the rampant parroting from people who should know better. Internationally any Japanese media that's not aimed at the lowest denominator of Jump and isekai factory consumption seems disregarded, and considering how quickly "sisters" is used it's the same sort of women predominant fandom hatred that "Manjisanji" got in Japan. Which was the man from manko, not as in men, because these crowds universally hate women unless they're being pandered to.

>>141026 Literally NOBODY brings up this whole discussion when it comes to Hololive. If anything, Randon was ridiculed and accused of using Holo as a platform to promote his PL account. So you know that it's extremely disingenious argument to begin with and just another way to shit on Niji in particular. Not to mention the elephant in the room of a lot of the people bringing up this whole "talent restriction" shit being Vshojo shills, and as it turned out, those were often on Gunrun's payroll

>>141041 I also must add that this whole "talent restriction" argument mostly comes from dramatubers, and they use it as a shield to deflect any criticism when it comes to bringing up and covering PL accounts. As in "no, we aren't being freaks and violating personal boundries, what we do is normal and is just the companies being evil and restricting their talents' identities". Do I have to spill out how asinine this whole argument is?

>>141026 I think I have just become disillusioned from the internet in general. AI slop, algorithms, engagement farming, tools that should be used to improve humanity but instead just feed the machine at the expense of people. I feel like the fucking Unabomber sometimes.

>>141029 Yeah. there's a lot of insidious things going on in the JP community too. I guess what I'm looking for is just some form of professionalism from the livers at least. Like, did Vanta need to make that reply in the first place? I didn't even know about his PL until now, what was the point of doing that? It wasn't like he encountered his PL name on-stream where he has to react live or anything, it's freaking Twitter. And if he was just trying to be funny, why double down on it instead of just moving on? Idk, I don't want to criticize him or anything, I like the guy but I'm not his fan in particular or anything, so I thought maybe that's just how it goes for some people. If the liver is okay with it, who am I, a non-fan, to judge, right? It's not that big of a deal. But I'm glad I don't have to think about stuff like that as much as a fan of other people, sorry

>>141024 I was already here before Krisis debuted lmao

>>141058 I don't think anyone who watches would say it's free of worries, just the worst aspects aren't out in the open and endorsed by everyone under the sun, whereas the majority of English public forums are poison. And no, didn't need to interact with it, didn't need to do an unfiltered Marshmallow stream when that can very easily go bad in many other ways, and didn't need to double down really. I'm unsure of what bad gender conversations implies but I'm glad he hasn't gone fully in on that and asked for it to be clipped and shared. I'm also more a casual than consistent watcher of his unlike that other anon, but it makes me think of whether they even consider things being in poor taste or bad form ever? I don't know, not sure if media training would solve anything or if it's a significant difference in fan dynamics or just the character thing simply never coming to mind. Unsure if the common perception of fandom of individuals even makes sense to me nowadays, since it seems more vibes based than what people actually are doing.

>>141011 Yeah no i wasn't trying to be racist, i was making fun of people like you that think that is Japan and you kinda fell for the stereotype, also if people getting models from the same mama they had on their companies is not "wink wink nudge nudge" or even interacting with old co-workers as "complete strangers" out of nowhere then idk what to tell you, open your eyes more? So please, after you give your regards to the fox spirits during your daily prayers in the direction of Fushimi Inari, try to also get that stick up your ass out of it and speak more like you don't know everything because you clearly don't, stop wearing a kimono because Japan is not like that, ok?

>>141058 >>141064 >Don't know the situation >Still have an opinion on it You lads are the top of the top huh. People were literally harassing the person making the original post saying they were gonna get Vanta fired and he addressed it so that people stopped, you don't see the post because the person deleted it, it was an utter shitfest and he probably doesn't want everyone to have that image of his fans so he cut that shit on stream, same for the artist stuff that came right after. Maybe if you watched streams or kept up with the livers you so much like to criticize and call out then MAYBE you'll get a tiny bit of insight on what happened but that would require you to watch streams instead of bitch and moan in the internet forums

>>141151 I'm not the one bringing up samurai my guy, you can't just go "I wasn't trying to be racist" and expect to be taken seriously after you continue that spiel in the next paragraph. Don't need to glorify, idealize, or fantasize a historical construct to understand that people don't care about the origins of things or understand the language and make assumptions out of nowhere. I think a number of people here are more aware of what JP livers are up to. But please, tell us about your proficiency, regular views, and understanding of the timeline and actors involved when the only specifics you're bringing up are random Japanese things you know so you can be more racist about it. Please do follow up on when Lunlun or whoever the hell else that's actively in Nijisanji is going out of their way replying to posts including their previous work, since you're ignoring that aspect that's actually relevant. >>141152 People here know that context, they're criticizing the liver in the first place because they're the ones that manage their audience, choose when/where/how to engage, and what tone is set in their community. And in this case if they give a rat's ass about portraying a character. You're being incredibly obtuse.

>>141152 vanta telling his fans off for harassing the original poster is the least he could do when he brought a huge amount of attention to the tweet by replying in the first place. and this isn't the first, or second, or even third time he's had issues with his fanbase but he still likes to toe the line with them instead of pulling the reins for god knows what reason.

No idea what is going on with this thread but chill out a bit guys. Have a Dancing Yaguruma.

Also Vanta is streaming right now btw

Harada retweeted the president (not our president) what the fuck, he's a real one

>>141337 I'm gonna freak it if he shows up in da streams

>>141341 Wait, return stream already schedule?

>>141342 No but eventually hopefully 🥺

>>141342 No. I think Rosemi is being serious when she's not sure about returning to vtubing or not, at least full time. Her mother sounds like a serious but reasonable parent, its not hard to imagine her saying to Rosemi >I know this means a lot to you, but you have to go out and find a "real" job. This economy is rough and its not going to be easy to rely on the internet to pay the bills.

>>141486 Job stability and VTubing especially the English kind being precarious is one thing, but I don't know how you could watch Rosemi with any regularity and think her mom is reasonable. Lot of instances of her being a textbook scaremongering Facebook boomer down to avoiding her Covid vaccine and being stopped from boarding a plane to go on a trip with her. In what world was her "watch out for Kanye, he's in Japan" a reasonable train of thought. He wasn't in the news for being a sex creep, is going off the political deep end on Twitter something where proximity matters?

>>141486 Anon, why would she ever come back to using that account if she doesn't plan to stream? To just become a vtwitter? That's stupid and not like her

>>141566 nta but Id like to believe these people would understand that vtubing is not something you MUST keep doing until you die. And there is more to life than it after you graduate from the persona you've been using for years. And as that poster said, redebuting? In this economy? A rational persona would think twice before jumping it like some star struck dreamer like one of those "hollywood dream" people in the 50s. But sadly most vtubers are the complete opposite of rational and are ironically more "parasocial" and addicted to the gig than some schizo fans.

tired of people treating our livers as punching bags then mocking them when they actually complain about it because of course it's our livers that have to be "mature and professional" and just fucking take the abuse because they're public figures and somehow that justifies the harassment. most of these fucking morons wouldn't even dare saying it to their faces without the veneer of anonymity

>>141615 Did something happen recently?

>>141615 I really admire our livers man, they've been so strong, most people would've crumbled hard if they had to endure half of what did. >>141618 I'm guessing it's about enna, she had a very justified rant in today's stream about dramafags and people who keep feeding into them.

>>141621 I watched that Enna tangent and didn't even livepost about it to minimize attention to it as much as possible so I'm a bit worried it's about her that's why I asked just to check. I just checked the VOD and saw 2 comments calling her out for that tangent so I guess someone has already been spreading it so there's little point hiding it now. But as I refreshed the page the 2 comments disappeared. To give a bit more context the reason why she brought that stuff up in the first place was because a lot of peeps in the meet and greet said really encouraging things to her more so than usual and she felt that it's because of the stuff that happened in the past year. She concluded the talk by repeating how she doesn't want any of her own fans to engage with those people and that she will call her own fans out if she sees it.

I went to check again and someone commented a long ass rant about what she said man I need that cover and new outfit to come out asap to distract me from this lmao.

>>141566 nta but i still think she's unsure about currently returning and thinking of whether she truly still loves streaming but this is the same girl who doesn't like using twitter. she would definitely use it as a soul account instead of making a new one.

>>141621 >rant Calling it a rant is misleading, she was very calm when talking about it and made sure to make it very clear that harassing people and spreading hate is wrong. "Rant" trivializes it, nothing she said was out of line or inflammatory, and she expressed herself with as much empathy and grace as you could expect for the situation.

>>141488 Her mom being overly paranoid about vaccines and warning Rosemi about Kanye like he's Godzilla in Japan is one thing, but when she has a daughter like Rosemi she may have some good reason for being overprotective of her. >>141566 It's not that she's thinking about becoming a vtweeter, she wasn't the most avid Twitter user either in Niji. I guess I should clarify that I don't think she's thinking about never streaming again ever, but her situation in life probably changed to a point where she can't make it a full-time priority either. Especially with how last year she was with a terminally ill family member IIRC, and that's with her migraines on top of that.

>>141631 Our livers are way too nice tbh. I know it's "the right thing to do" but man, I do wish they would just be more hateful towards these scumbags and would just told them to fuck off and eat shit. Sloptubers do this all the time and everybody calls them based for that. I know they are just good people, but the whole "be better and just take the harassment" rhetoric is so defeatist and makes me feel like shit

>>141625 If that's the case, I wish she would just make a brand new online personality and just told people "if you know, you know" Like Millie did instead of going back to her PL account which just gives bad actors more ammo to attack the company yet again >>141642 I can't verify most of this stuff as, I admit, I haven't actively watched Rosemi in the past 2 years but if that's the case, guess she decided to semi-retire due to personal reasons. Good for her I guess. Not that I don't want her to stream anymore, but I would rather let her take it easy than give shitposters weird ideas that they saved her or whatever

>>141659 I'm glad Enna is like this, I don't want my oshi becoming a lolcow who gets baited into flaming antis. She says these things for the sake of her community, not to own the haters, and I'm proud that she's grown so much as a person since her debut. If you want to wage war then you do you, but leave Enna out of it.