>>73383 i would talk about shows i like, but they really don't generate discussion. for example, who talks about altair? there are, though, stable threads for aria, logh bait and so on.

>>73399 >logh bait Legend of the galactic homos is so crusty and old it doesn't even have video essay kuso made about it, how would it even be good bait?

>>73357 >For me it was pic rel. Same. Out of all the shoelacer series this one was among the best if not THE best so far.

>>73373 These days if it creates a meme and a spam group it still ends up forgotten. Basically the only stuff that can remain in the cultural consciousness for normalfags these days is weekly shounenshit. And even those also fade into the sands of time once their FOTM status goes away.

>>73413 things like this are posted. discussion is still happening with more or less bait depending on phases of the moon.

>>73501 I think it's more the modern social network culture ruining everything than normalfags or not-normalfags. 17-20 years ago you had DN, CG or SW, people discussed without having extreme opinions. Nowadays their equivalents (SW2, Mecha or Gundam of the moment, SnK) have to deal with all the unrelated baggage and the edgy competition, coming from normalfags and not normalfags. Manga discussions and LN suffer from similar problems, most threads end like 1-page or reaction pic exchanges, with unnecessary comparisons like X-copied-Y to win an argument that is meaningless, because for some reason everything should end in an argument to create some kind of hierarchy (something ironic in not-normalfag sites). And then people simply stop caring, I see ritual posting and reactions (that is ok) but most of the time is shitposting, gasligthing, etc. They do happen, there's still good threads but when I see a good thread I know it'll (or the next) be filled with shitposting. Some kind of curating is needed but the friend/follower system isn't useful (see twitter) and some old forums ended with absurd curation that killed any discussion deviating from the established ideas. Maybe internet discussions aren't worth that much to solve this problem. Maybe it's a feature.

>>73507 I think all things naturally require maintenance The state we see today is the natural result of assuming that a system that worked would keep on working Most things function on the back on invisible resources like trust or energy, and they get used up by certain behaviors. simply making more will only make the behaviors worse We should start a cult

>>73507 >(something ironic in not-normalfag sites). Reminder 4chan hasn't been a non-normalfag site since at least gamergate, but arguably since smartphones became accessible. >>73509 >Most things function on the back on invisible resources like trust or energy, >trust I think that's the key factor here. Just a decade ago I wouldn't have an issue trusting random anons I talked to. These days at least within 4chan I instantly assume whoever I'm replying to is a bot or a pajeet paid to post a particular something. >We should start a cult I would be down for that, those are fun.

>>73505 Color me surprised I guess.

>>73507 Been thinking about this since you posted it, so apologies for the late reply. But it made me realize LN/VN discussion places are not exactly dead, but never were properly "born" in the first place as they never really got the proper social contract established like it happened with manga and anime thread. For example, with anime threads the social code of conduct was talk about the airing episode, or the previous eps, or speculate about future eps, if you read the source material then don't spoil anything. With manga threads however, everything goes, assume people are caught up to date with the current chapter, talk about things the anime hasn't covered (and may never cover), no point in holding back spoilers. If anything with the rise of leak culture and people spoiling chapters that are not even up yet came the destruction of the social code of conduct on manga threads which basically made them a complete shitshow, and anime threads already started to suffer from spoilerfags and people shitting out fake spoilers as well. However with for example LN threads there was no such code of conduct ever made, mostly in part because the stories are fucking long a lot of the time and in the west reading a single book is a massive time investment, let alone 15-20 for the average LN, let alone 50+ for stuff like to aru. How should people act? Do you only talk about surface level stuff which will bore people caught up with the material? Do you talk about spoilers knowing you will ruin it for people only halfway into the novel and reduce the amount of people in the thread? What about the difference in "current' when it comes to the JP material and the okamalations? What about the fact translations since the early 10s have been effectively abridged parodies and completely different stories, making people reading the EN and JP versions talk about completely different characters? There's simply no social contract at all, there was one in sites like BT, but surprise surprise, kikes aimed to kill those first.

>>73575 I don't really get it, doesn't feel there's any social contract of the sort on 4chan when everyone just acts like chimps on all threads.

>>73357 Picrel was "fine", definitively not bad at least. There was a decent amount of following behind it but then it dropped off the face of the earth overnight.

>>73581 /m/ fags woke up just for that thread, then made a manga reading thread and left again. we must call on our <bonds by having a s2.

>>73579 Yeah that's like, the point. The jeet horde (and bots, lets be real), effectively killed social contracts and turned basically all threads into complete shitshows.

>>73583 Does the manga even have enough material for an S2 yet? Reminder it's manga original too so there's no LN to get content from.

>>73575 true, the most community engagement i get for WNs is literally commenting under chapters, and maybe getting a reply from the author if the work isn't too popular. authors on narou bother/manage to answer up to about what, 70k points? after that it's a headache to them. and you can't have actual conversations on there, just an author's reply. >>73585 not sure

>>73585 >Does the manga even have enough material for an S2 yet? Not yet. The proper finale for the arc that should be the S2 finale will happen likely by next year at the absolute soonest.

>>73586 The thing with the narou forums is they are mostly a formality, not really for discussion. It's like YT comments, you are not going to have serious discussion there, it's for one line quips and quick commentary as chapters get posted.

>>73586 Funnily enough the isekai general back on 4/a/ used to be a WN translation general, and did have constant in-depth discussion on series as chapters dropped and got TLd by anons. At least that was the case until niggerjannies started trying to move the general to /jp/ to kill it.

>>73589 yeah, one of those days i should look through the nip internet for some ranobe discussion board. where else would it exist. it's not in any place i know. >/a/isekai that reads like a ritualized circlejerk of mostly translated manga readers. >reddit grim. it's not even a forum format. there are reasonable people, but mainstream westoid sites cater to people with the thinnest skin. you can't discuss some things there, and they will most likely have read the english adaptation only.

>>73591 >>/a/isekai >that reads like a ritualized circlejerk of mostly translated manga readers. Kinda what happens when the jannies are hellbent on killing a particular general for over a decade, and around 2 weeks ago or so basically banning all regulars unprompted to promote gook discussion. >>reddit >grim. it's not even a forum format. there are reasonable people, but mainstream westoid sites cater to people with the thinnest skin. you can't discuss some things there, and they will most likely have read the english adaptation only. I can't remember the last time reddit was useful for anything aside from niche hardware/software problems (and even then only sometimes it fixes your issues) and getting links to the current piracy sites, that's literally it.

>>73591 >yeah, one of those days i should look through the nip internet for some ranobe discussion board. where else would it exist. it's not in any place i know. Around last year there were constant bot spam attacks on the two primary jp chan sites (and I think they are still ongoing) so discussion there is basically dead as people moved on to pisscord, other chat services they have, some even went to IRC, and some I hear went to literal darkweb sites.

>>73591 >there are reasonable people, I can think of a lot of adjectives to describe redditors. "Reasonable" is not one of them, especially the last 2 or so years when the westoid side of the internet became extremely polarized.

>>73597 I mean, there are LN threads here. You could try post in them to lead the discussion towards what you want. From the little experience I have browsing this place, it almost feels like 00s 4chan, and people tend to adapt to thread/board culture rather than just mindlessly shitting (and the few people that don't tend to go back to 4chan rather quickly due to their PPH addiction).

>>73597 >and around 2 weeks ago or so basically banning all regulars unprompted to promote gook discussion. That's still ongoing actually. Heard that's why this board is getting surges of activity actually, people deciding to move here.

>>73609 This LN general here is pretty slow, and it's also a weird mix of isek/4/i mangaonly refugees, 4/jp/ lurkers and there may be one 8chan native in there somewhere.

>>73613 I'm aware it exists, be the change you want to see and post more imo, even if it's just stream of consciousness stuff like back on 4chan. Personally I don't get into much serious discussion here because I don't feel my brain has quite accepted this as "home" yet, but I do try to ask questions and post in a way that gets anons to do more in-depth posts. If I'm successful at it or not is a whole other story.

>>73611 >That's still ongoing actually. Holy shit what is the point of even trying to keep up the facade? Just close /a/ and open /kr/ at this point.

>>73597 >hellbent on killing a particular general for over a decade why don't they auto nuke it or prevent it at thread creation stage? is staff on the payroll of astroturfers or just useful idiots? >>73600 ううむ、the bar just got higher.

>>73622 >why don't they auto nuke it or prevent it at thread creation stage? How would they shill their corean excrement otherwise? When they try to make their own separate threads they die after 5 necrobumps. Even solo leveling threads despite all the hype, by season 2 the posts on the threads were 90% one liner necrobumps to avoid page 10 and they barely got 300 or so posts by the time next week rolled around and they had to take down the thread to avoid the humiliation ritual of using a week old thread for the new ep. >is staff on the payroll of astroturfers or just useful idiots? I remember from the ghost threads on the /a/rchive seeing over half the 4/a/ jannies were literal crunchyroll wagies.

>>73624 >I remember from the ghost threads on the /a/rchive seeing over half the 4/a/ jannies were literal crunchyroll wagies. Somehow not even surprised.

>>73590 >At least that was the case until niggerjannies started trying to move the general to /jp/ to kill it. Finally found it buried in my memes folder.

>>73630 Pretty sure this was a problem since the MT era, we just had enough anons back then to just keep remaking the threads, meanwhile these days even the 4/a/ general sometimes takes up to an hour to get remade after bump limit.

>>73630 >>73700 What's sad is when a general on /jp/ was made, the jannies allowed it to get fucked too by constant gookraids.

>>73732 Not like it matters these days when the 4/jp/ general is so dead a single thread at 310 post bump limit is 5 days away from lasting 2 months and counting thanks to jannies doing glassing bans on anyone saying "westoid" and "gook" there.