Could you actually provide examples of what series you're talking about?

>Long arguments against fuzzy entities and his own headcanon. Sasuga, it feels like an hallucination of AI, there's no much to cut to start with. >I would rather read and enjoy things I like instead of wasting time with obvious references or plot decisions (like the Tarantino-ness of Black Lagoon)...

>>73992 >>73993 >What if good was le bad so we can get pseuds to praise it for being "a breath of fresh air". First I saw it with magical girl shit with the trend of edgy trash madoka started. >What if instead of cute fun adventures like I think magical girls are, we get suffering porn akin to military soldier PTSD or cosmic horrors? Most of them come and go along the years but for whatever reason magical girl site was so absurd I still remember it. Then came the trend of that happening in isekai settings despite the trend starting in full with stuff like overlord and rimuru proper, both of which are already hardly heroic at best, actively genocide at worst. >What if the summoned isekaijin heroes were le bad? Like bro we don't even have a series that actually plays this completely straight without devolving into a parody due to having so many lampshades you blot out the sun. >What if MC went through torture porn so we can get the normalfags with shit lives to praise it. I admit this is more of a vidya thing that TLOU started, but still happens in anime like in rezero. >What if MC was a mary sue girl so we can get the foids to praise it. With the rise of otomekuso I shouldn't even need to list anything, but if you need the "name 3" meme there's silent witch that happened recently, frieren that is not that recent, and omnipotent saint, examples just off the top of my head. >What if we repackage some shounenshit and remove everything "icky" so all the actual normalfags praise it. This is a problem as old as anime itself seemingly, as far as "recent" stuff goes there's frieren as a prime example, before that it was FMA and HxH, people tried to do the same to JJK but that fell flat after the series crashed and burned, they did also do it with SnK however at least until the ending. Guess KnY is also an example to an extent, that thing is so sterile it hardly feels like an actual series. I will also add Black Lagoon and durarara here to the list now that you reminded me of them, arguably also boogiepop. >What if we bait and switch an MC, kill them, then swap to someone else, usually by overlapping with one of the above. Wrote that with oshi no ko in mind, and if you ignore the aforementioned TLOU in 2 because it's western vidya, then there's still virgin road which still gets used as shitpost material to this day on 4/a/ and goblin slayer.

>>73999 >First I saw it with magical girl shit with the trend of edgy trash madoka started. That's been a meme for centuries in storytelling. You're going to have to be more specific than that. >Most of them come and go along the years but for whatever reason magical girl site was so absurd I still remember it. Have you read Cutey Honey, where the entire climax of the series is everyone dying (In an attempt to parody Devilman, which was by the same author)? >Then came the trend of that happening in isekai settings despite the trend starting in full with stuff like overlord and rimuru proper, both of which are already hardly heroic at best, actively genocide at worst. Another classic series where everyone dies in the end is Outlander. And Ideon. >Like bro we don't even have a series that actually plays this completely straight without devolving into a parody due to having so many lampshades you blot out the sun. Probably because, outside of torture porn and for laughs in vidya/VN dialogue choices, people don't actually like reading about outright evil characters? Even Drakenguard "justifies" itself on the basis that the world is ending. >I admit this is more of a vidya thing that TLOU started, but still happens in anime like in rezero. Do you remember this obscure piece of Western literature called Les Miserable, where a guy was unjustly sentenced to years of salvery because he stole a piece of bread? >With the rise of otomekuso I shouldn't even need to list anything After a quick search: <Otomechikku or otome-chikku is a subgenre of shōjo manga that emerged in the 1970s. <... <Otomechikku manga typically focuses on a school-aged girl, usually a middle school or high school student but more rarely a college student, in an ordinary environment (home, school, etc.) who develops friendly, filial, and romantic relationships with other people in those environments. You're complaining about the genre of reverse-harem series for girls? I have read a couple of those, and I agree that they are shit, but that does not make up the "majority" in any way whatsoever. It seems more like your complaints stem from the fact that you're reading trash and surprised that it is...well, trash. >This is a problem as old as anime itself seemingly, Such as? >there's frieren as a prime example, before that it was FMA and HxH, people tried to do the same to JJK >they did also do it with SnK >Guess KnY >I will also add Black Lagoon and durarara Okay, what did they actually "remove"? >Wrote that with oshi no ko in mind, and if you ignore the aforementioned TLOU in 2 because it's western vidya, then there's still virgin road which still gets used as shitpost material to this day on 4/a/ and goblin slayer. Would the 1970's manga Lady Snowblood also fall into that category? It's seems more like you're complaining about tropes that have either existed for centuries, or are just current-year fads that you only see if you're watching the latest shit. Even then, you still haven't really explained what some of your complaints even are.

But I want more of those things OP. Know the difference between [I killed slimes for 300 years] and [I will survive on potions]? Wacky twists made potions entertaining. >>73999 Virgin Road is such an example that the horrible shell that is now J.c. Staff could not completely mess it up. Wild twists are the plot. I refuse to risk spoiling someone on them. Virgin Road serves as an example of why I would never tire of what OP is complaining about. They may as well be classed as Japanese attributes. >What if we repackage some shounenshit and remove everything "icky" so all the actual normalfags praise it. This seems out of place. It is an actual problem.

>>73986 Your list reads as a selection of things you don't like. If something isn't to your taste, you'd be wise to recognize that it's a personal thing rather than blame everything you dislike. The way I see it regardless of the subject matter, if it's good then it's good. Even the best, freshest ideas will fall flat with bad or uninteresting execution. >mary sue >repackage some shounenshit and remove everything "icky" Those things are objectively bad and it's probably not that difficult to identify and avoid it, no? Good = bad, torture porn, bait and switch - I enjoy those things when they're well executed. Although I probably also have a different opinion on what those things entail. I enjoy psychological aspect of things and exploration of that. But of course this isn't something everyone enjoys, if you dislike it then you'll tire of it quickly, especially if it's shallow and poorly executed. If I had to guess, you probably experienced too much of the same in a short span of time which burned you out and made you more cynical, even more so if your personal life isn't all sunshine and rainbows. It might do you good to switch to different genres.

>>73999 I don't understand your point, do you consider that those things shouldn't exist even? You should choose series choose according to your own tastes and initiative instead of doing it as box-checking or following the [insert-social-media] crowd. It's obvious you're forcing yourself to watch series.

>>74008 >[I will survive on potions] Wouldn't use this author as an example for anything given he's an actual lunatic.

>>74007 >That's been a meme for centuries in storytelling. You're going to have to be more specific than that. I don't think you get to just handwave away the damage madoka did to the magical girl genre just like that. >Have you read Cutey Honey, where the entire climax of the series is everyone dying (In an attempt to parody Devilman, which was by the same author)? No, and it sounds like the exact same type of tryhard goykuso I'm complaining about, so I have no plans to. >Another classic series where everyone dies in the end is Outlander. And Ideon. You don't have to keep padding my "avoid" list like that anon. >Probably because, outside of torture porn and for laughs in vidya/VN dialogue choices, people don't actually like reading about outright evil characters? Even Drakenguard "justifies" itself on the basis that the world is ending. It's less the evil character thing (light yagami and ainz have huge fanbases mind you) and more the holier than thou tone of LE SUBVERSIVE authors. >Do you remember this obscure piece of Western literature called Les Miserable, where a guy was unjustly sentenced to years of salvery because he stole a piece of bread? A better example would have been monte cristo. >You're complaining about the genre of reverse-harem series for girls? I have read a couple of those, and I agree that they are shit, but that does not make up the "majority" in any way whatsoever. Are you intentionally trying to derail the pointer from the anime that comes from novels based on a nonexistent otome game to outright actually existing otome games? >Okay, what did they actually "remove"? Fanservice mostly, so normalniggers can show it to their Shōwa ojisan parents for approval and not feel "cringe" while doing so. >Would the 1970's manga Lady Snowblood also fall into that category? I legitimately have no clue why the fuck do you keep bringing up ancient literal who shit. >It's seems more like you're complaining about tropes that have either existed for centuries, or are just current-year fads that you only see if you're watching the latest shit. Even then, you still haven't really explained what some of your complaints even are. Let me translate this from pseud-redditese to english, one sec, >If you ignore all the old and new examples, turns out there's no examples! Even then because I keep intentionally avoiding the point I get to ignore it for the rest of the thread as well.

>>74026 >No, and it sounds like the exact same type of tryhard goykuso I'm complaining about, so I have no plans to. It's a "magical girl" series from the 70's, and one of the cornerstones of anime >It's less the evil character thing (light yagami and ainz have huge fanbases mind you) and more the holier than thou tone of LE SUBVERSIVE authors. Is it really an example of subversion, or just following the simple fact that people like heroes? >A better example would have been monte cristo. You do realize that you're proving the point that you hate stories tropes that have existed as a part of storytelling, and treating it like it's a "recent" trend. >Are you intentionally trying to derail the pointer from the anime that comes from novels based on a nonexistent otome game to outright actually existing otome games? Could you rephrase the question? >Fanservice mostly First, not every single anime "has" to have fan service. Second, how can you "remove" something that the original series didn't have? The only recent series that I know of that went out of it's way to outright censor fanservice that the original had is the Bocchi The Rock anime and the Urusei Yatsura remake. >bringing up ancient literal who shit. It's the manga and film that inspired Kill Bill. You REALLY must be a newfag or a casual to not know about this shit and be angry when people bring them up.

>>74025 QRD? First time I hear of this.