>>43802 It's funny you say that. I had an incredibly difficult time having a normal life until I started wearing diapers fulltime. It's a matter of perspective, I suppose.

>>43859 That's interesting, care to elaborate?

>>43859 I'm glad that it worked for you and like the another anon, do tell more. >It's a matter of perspective It's a matter of many factors, already went through my case in the last thread. That said, I still encourage people to at least try a week or more 24/7, they may find a good life like in your situation. I neglected to say that I went most of 2020 in diapers, an almost total 24/7 (I didn't mess often). An year was enough time to get my bladder holding very little, I peed frequently to the point I had to retrain holding in mid 2021 to get back to the normal daily routine. Hard to think it has been almost 5 years now. I don't wish for another pandemic but I had good time in nappies.

>>43873 >>43876 I've always struggled with low-grade incontinence. It's fine when I'm at home and no one else is in the bathroom, but anywhere else? Lots of accidents in school, could barely do work without constant bathroom visits, peeing when I sneeze, etc. For me, there was never shame in wearing diapers, just in *not* wearing diapers when disaster came knocking. I don't see the situation as being that different --incontinent people eventually make the choice on if or not they want to wear diapers, just the same as you make that choice. I made a choice to go further and unpotty train as completely as I can, and I'm happy with that choice. Just don't want to have to think about the toilet anymore.

>>42214 (OP) >Do you wear 24/7, if so, how long? I don't for the moment. >What got you interested in 24/7, and more generally ABDL? Do you consider yourself leaning towards AB or DL especially? Hands down DL, the AB stuff isn't my cup of tea. >Do you want to untrain? How will you/have you done so? I'd really like to. >Who knows you wear 24/7? Nobody. >If you untrained, do you honestly regret it? How has your mood about it progressed since you started? N/A >If you don't wear 24/7, would you like to? Why/why not? I'd really like to. I started using diapers 2 years ago to spice up my fap sessions and gradualy wanted to spend more time with them. Ealier this year i started wearing them when i got back when i was home and for the night. The thing is life's a bitch, i lost my job and had to go back living at my parent's home, so that makes wearing diapers without getting noticed very hard. The best i can do until i can go back to living in my own place is wear pullups from time to time, they are easier to manage than regular/abdl diaper.

>Do you wear 24/7, if so, how long? 24/7 myself, but I'mma be real and say that I was one of those miserable kids who had IC growin' up as a kiddo. Piss and shit variety thanks to combination of IBS, food allergies, spastic aspy shite, and spina bifida. >What got you interested in 24/7, and more generally ABDL? Do you consider yourself leaning towards AB or DL especially? DL mostly. Mostly a way for me to accept my diaper usage and IC. Which I've been since I read some seminal pieces of diaper lover fiction when I was young. >Do you want to untrain? How will you/have you done so? Some fucked up part of me wants to train up and the untrain myself. But really can't with my control being so fuckin' bad and random. >Who knows you wear 24/7? Family, a couple real life 'acquaintances', some of my extended family, like my aunt who I work for. It's not a big deal really. But generally I am pretty bloody blessed all things considered. Didn't go to publics and was home schooled for the most part. So missed out on the bullying and probably a lot of PTSD, but also means can't do normal crap. So my mind is crawlin' with freak show stuff that turns off most peeps to it. So I mostly living in my mom's garage's attic, work at greenhouse and try to fuck kinky crazy girls which has been hit or miss. But don't ordinarily come here as most of the topics on board are miss that shit, ya?

>>43438 Thanks for sharing your process fellow ecofag. I might copy it in the future

>>43438 >omutsu brand Do you mean the Rearz omutsu AIO cloth diaper?

>>43979 Rearz Omutsu, yes; though it's not an AIO, it's just a velcro contoured cloth diaper- still need plastic pants.

Interestingly, ChatGPT can be used as a mentor for untraining. I've been talking with the premium 4o model, and while initially it gave pretty much same advices I've come across before, it has given me some detailed instructions how to move forward in my specific case. For example, it instructed me to move away from using an alarm during the night and to drink less water when going to sleep, and these tips seem to be working very well.

>>44153 How did you get ChatGPT this far? Usually it will block any attempt of "self harm"

>>44160 It's not too hard. I don't think chatgpt has ever given me trouble when talking about unpotty training.

>>44160 >>44165 It seems untraining is not (yet) set as "self-harm", so it doesn't hit any guardrails. Also, I went with the good old "I'm thinking of an imaginary character for a book" to be sure. Don't expect it to give some sort of magical tip that'll get you untrained in an instant, but if you explain your specific situation to it, you may get some personalised hints to help you overcome your barriers.

Based on my review of the content, here are the key themes and insights from this person's experiences: Progressive Loss of Control Started with voluntary 24/7 diaper wearing Gradually lost bladder control through conscious relaxation and avoiding toilet use Eventually developed involuntary wetting and bedwetting Maintained more bowel control but still had some accidents Full untraining took approximately 1-2 years Practical Considerations Estimated cost of $2,100-3,600 per year for supplies Emphasized need for proper hygiene and changing routines Recommended plastic pants, onesies for containment Discussed importance of having backup/spare supplies Advised on clothing choices to accommodate diapers Key Advice & Warnings Cautioned against untraining without serious consideration Noted psychological impact and adjustment period Emphasized irreversibility of significant control loss Recommended being open with close friends/partners Advised on managing discretion vs practicality Daily Life & Adaptations Modified clothing choices and routines Developed strategies for public/work situations Accepted some loss of privacy/discretion Maintained professional life with accommodations Found ways to handle social situations Medical/Physical Aspects Noted physical changes from loss of muscle control Discussed different types of loss of control (urge vs complete) Tracked progression of incontinence development

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Emphasized proper skin care and hygiene Discussed use of different diaper types for different needs

Stopped my bedwetting training for a month or so because of an UTI, thankfully it went away just fine. I'm happy to notice that wetting while laying down is actually easier now than before, and now it feels like I could totally get myself used to wetting while barely waking up. I also haven't deank nearly as much water as before just before going to sleep, I wonder if that contributes as well? Never the less, I'm glad my progress hasn't gone backwards despite the break.

>>45559 Quite an odd development has occured. I get a stinging sensation in my bladder during the night when I need to pee. It seems to distract me from letting go, as starting to pee is once again quite difficult. Once I do get started, it's easy to continue, as has been for a long time.

Me, myself? Naw never. I like diapers, I like reading about diapers, like wearing diapers time to time, like pooping in them if i can get away with it. That said i can understand how someone likes it tho. My sis i've known for awhile is definitely into that sort of stuff. pretty weird, obviously that my brother and sister are into abdl. but going to chalk it up to a shitty childhood, me and sis being very late potty trainers (think i was potty trained when i was like 8, fully, and my sister has never fully been to my knowledge), my sis being born spastic (also spastic but like milder i guess), and being homeschooled.

>>47298 I wore during the day in the weekend to try 'troubleshoot' why I can't wet easily while laying down. Lying on the couch, trying to relax as much as I can, I still couldn't get myself going, until I opened my eyes. Suddenly the urge hit me and I could wet without an issue. I tried this during the nights, and it did indeed seem to help somewhat to wet, but I think my body and mind also expect to see some light in order to accept that it's okay to pee. I think I'll have to leave a lamp on to see if it helps.

>>47423 It seems getting easier and easier to wet while laying down and in different positions. I seem to wake up on my side quite often, but I'm starting to be able to pee without turning on my back or stomach. It's very slow progress, and even though I never wake up with a dry diaper, I do wake up with a filled up bladder and at least a vague memory of waking up to wet. I think I'll start setting up an alarm some hours before normally waking up in order to train not to hold on from peeing until the morning.

Bit of a side note but are there any tools or gadgets or anything one untraining or enjoying incontinence play should buy ? (Outside of diapers/pads/pullups and training pants) Thanks

>>48103 Sorry to not answer your question directly, but the hands-down biggest upgrade for me in terms of learning how to comfortably/easily wet is upgrading the quality of diaper I'm wearing. I did 24/7 for a year with shitty store brand diapers, but once I started wearing diapers that I could trust to wet without leaks, my body got the message. Eventually I could wet so easily I wasn't sure if I initiated it or if it was involuntary. I wore to bed every night and learned to wet lying down, and after long enough I started to swear when I woke up wet that I hadn't gone to sleep that way. Time, patience, and making wetting as easy as possible for your body is really the key. It used to frustrate me that I had to force myself to go, but once the muscle memory of wetting in a secure diaper builds up, it all snowballs.

>>48104 I got a bunch of depends and am so leak prone I think I am holding my bladder at times

Anyone know of a way to increase post micturition dribble? Clenching hard, holding breath, etc?

>>48103 There was a thread in the daily diapers Forum where someone build a device that measured how often someone would pee (condom cath with some wires to measures wettnes) and connected that with a shock collar. And would gradually reduce the time between wettings. If for example for 20min no pee the person would get shocked a little. Apparently it worked really well in terms of training. Sadly the person didn't published it's code. But u should be able to find the thread if u search for shock collar and daily diaper forum.

>>48112 Wish I knew how to STOP it. I dribble for like 10 minutes after peeing.

The other day I fantasized about a loss of control again. Something about the idea of either not being able to stop, or simply having to go so often, is super hot to me. But I'm too chicken to commit to it yet to de-train myself. Figured there must be some methods by now to kinda induce bowel or bladder control loss.. I'd even be happy with just having to wet a lot, or unable to hold liquid-y messes in.. anything that isn't a catheter. heard Oil is supposed to work with messing, either didn't work or I used too little of it though.

>>48159 I tried drinking Soylent/Huel/products like that a few years ago. I don't know if they've changed the ingredients since then, but the reason I stopped was because I would end up having urgent liquid shits at very inconvenient times. It sucked because otherwise I liked how they tasted, and I generally felt clearer mentally. Making yourself need to piss a lot is much easier- just actually try to drink 8 glasses of 8oz of water or whatever the recommendation is. You will need to piss every 15 minutes, and you sure you can try to hold it but at a certain point it's just painful and you'll piss just to relieve the sensation.

>>48166 I used to have something like that with a local discounters orange juice and Ice Tea brands, no idea what they changed but drinking that ended up giving me awful diarrhea, almost explosive. Also happens with that super cheap soda, pretty sure they throw in so much sugar substitute it has a laxative effect.. When it comes to pissing, I've had the term "rapid desperation" flow around a few times, worth looking into that? not sure what that is or how it works but it supposedly makes you pee a lot and often..

>>48103 my cg does diaper + training pants + waterproof cover as outer layer. It's a lot, but I do notice I automatically stop the subconscious concern of leaking while peeing on my side. If you want incon, you need to go in all positions.

Know that this thread is dedicated to 24/7 and incontinent anons, but I figured that this was the closest thread. Does anyone else like genetic conditions that lead to incontinence in fantasy? For some reason the idea of having needed diapers for one's entire life and never getting the opportunity to toilet train is very captivating to me. I'm not personally into 24/7 or untraining, but I always like looking at threads like this. I know my fantasy is relatively common, but it's hard to find people actually discussing it in ABDL circles for obvious reasons. Sorry for intruding incon anons

>>49191 Well, that's me. I potty trained for the first time at all at the fine age of six and never really got out of diapers. I do know how to use a potty, obviously, I just rarely got the opportunity and it feels weird. You aren't intruding. What makes it appeal to you? I kind of like it being someone's kink, it makes me feel more normal.

>>49311 Six is actually something I haven't heard before; feels like the uppermost limit for toilet training periods that you usually hear is around five. >I just rarely got the opportunity and it feels weird. I must admit that that is kind of the interesting part, at least from my perspective. At least in my experience, it seems like a lot of the people who share their perspectives usually had an acquired form from events later in life, so I wondered about the psychological impact that a lack of continence would have on someone pre-toilet training age over the years. It's not like the situation is too uncommon, and admittedly I have heard about some people's experiences with it before, but due to the sensitive nature of the topic it couldn't really be broached much. I assumed that most people would have mixed feelings about it, but the fact that you specifically found toilet use weird is quite interesting to me. Kind of assumed that it would seem like that for someone who had had that kind of condition, but I guess that it I also thought that the utility of the toilet coupled with the obvious social factors would lead someone to have more negative feelings towards diapers, even if from an experiential perspective it was still the toilet that was more alien. Sorry if I'm rambling, I appreciate you explaining your experience to me. As for the appeal to me, I'm honestly not quite sure. I will say that I think my natal incontinence subfetish(?) manifested later on then my diaper fetish did. The ABDL stuff was present since childhood, but I didn't think a lot about incontinence in youth. I kind of wonder if it developed in part due to my specific taste in larger ABDL matters, which is kind of hard to explain. Basically, as a kid I liked AR more and most of my fantasies centered around babyhood. I never really got into the desperation side of DL, but I always liked diapers. That was sort of the weird thing, because I was fine with usage (and got into it more as I grew older), but I didn't really like the whole aspect of trying to hold it. I think that the diaper stood more as a symbol of youth, if anything else, and omorashi-esque stuff felt off from that. Another thing that I think might be related is that I actually never liked toilet training in relation to ABDL? I always preferred for the fantasy to be either 100% in diapers or 100% toilet trained. It sounds a bit ridiculous to say, but having an ABDL scenario in which toilet training was present made me feel unsafe in a way? It's weird because I was fine with a scenario in which the skill had already been acquired, but I really did not like the atmosphere of toilet training. For that reason, I also disliked pull-ups a lot. It's hard to explain exactly why I like the idea of natal incontinence, but I do know that I really prefer the idea of needing diapers over just liking them, even though I am also fine with the latter co-existing with the former. It almost makes me feel more connected to them, in a way. Needless to say, the whole situation is kind of weird. Thank you for responding anon, don't really get to talk about this stuff a lot.

>>49319 It's not weird to feel that way about toilet training. So many parents or other adults are kind of shitty people towards young children, leading to a lot of subtle mental abuse in toilet training, making it an uncomfortable idea.

>>49389 I guess that that feeling is more common than I thought, guess it was just more in a fetish-specific way. My own upbringing was fine, luckily, for some reason I think that switching to the toilet just really symbolized an end to babyhood and thus the parental attention that they get.

>>49319 Well, while I was trying to potty train, I always had this feeling like I was 'doing it wrong' somehow. Like there was something everyone else got that I didn't. It just felt really unfair and frustrating. That still happens even now. Whenever I end up using a potty, I feel like I'm somehow doing it wrong and I'll end up making a mess again. The most blissful moment of it all, and the thing that really got me online with liking diapers instead of being frustrated with them like you assume, is when my parents(and a doctor) sat me down and explained that nobody was expecting me to toilet train anymore. They knew I was doing my best, and it wasn't my fault. When I say 'feel normal about being incontinent', that's absolutely what I mean. Just want to hear and feel like that again. Funny enough, I don't associate diapers with youth. For me, changing my own diapers is when I started feeling like I was properly growing up. I associate them with maturity and stability.

>>49494 Strangely enough, I think I can see what you mean when you say that. Guessing that the moment with your parents and the doctor was just kind of routine in the grand scheme of things, but it almost seems like a turning point of sorts. Like the moment where one does not feel like they are failing anymore. Glad that you got that, anon. Was going to comment more about what you said about developing the ability to change yourself, but there is nothing that I can add. Always kind of imagined that it would feel like self-sufficiency like that. Again, thanks for sharing.