>>48166 I used to have something like that with a local discounters orange juice and Ice Tea brands, no idea what they changed but drinking that ended up giving me awful diarrhea, almost explosive. Also happens with that super cheap soda, pretty sure they throw in so much sugar substitute it has a laxative effect.. When it comes to pissing, I've had the term "rapid desperation" flow around a few times, worth looking into that? not sure what that is or how it works but it supposedly makes you pee a lot and often..

>>48103 my cg does diaper + training pants + waterproof cover as outer layer. It's a lot, but I do notice I automatically stop the subconscious concern of leaking while peeing on my side. If you want incon, you need to go in all positions.

Know that this thread is dedicated to 24/7 and incontinent anons, but I figured that this was the closest thread. Does anyone else like genetic conditions that lead to incontinence in fantasy? For some reason the idea of having needed diapers for one's entire life and never getting the opportunity to toilet train is very captivating to me. I'm not personally into 24/7 or untraining, but I always like looking at threads like this. I know my fantasy is relatively common, but it's hard to find people actually discussing it in ABDL circles for obvious reasons. Sorry for intruding incon anons

>>49191 Well, that's me. I potty trained for the first time at all at the fine age of six and never really got out of diapers. I do know how to use a potty, obviously, I just rarely got the opportunity and it feels weird. You aren't intruding. What makes it appeal to you? I kind of like it being someone's kink, it makes me feel more normal.

>>49311 Six is actually something I haven't heard before; feels like the uppermost limit for toilet training periods that you usually hear is around five. >I just rarely got the opportunity and it feels weird. I must admit that that is kind of the interesting part, at least from my perspective. At least in my experience, it seems like a lot of the people who share their perspectives usually had an acquired form from events later in life, so I wondered about the psychological impact that a lack of continence would have on someone pre-toilet training age over the years. It's not like the situation is too uncommon, and admittedly I have heard about some people's experiences with it before, but due to the sensitive nature of the topic it couldn't really be broached much. I assumed that most people would have mixed feelings about it, but the fact that you specifically found toilet use weird is quite interesting to me. Kind of assumed that it would seem like that for someone who had had that kind of condition, but I guess that it I also thought that the utility of the toilet coupled with the obvious social factors would lead someone to have more negative feelings towards diapers, even if from an experiential perspective it was still the toilet that was more alien. Sorry if I'm rambling, I appreciate you explaining your experience to me. As for the appeal to me, I'm honestly not quite sure. I will say that I think my natal incontinence subfetish(?) manifested later on then my diaper fetish did. The ABDL stuff was present since childhood, but I didn't think a lot about incontinence in youth. I kind of wonder if it developed in part due to my specific taste in larger ABDL matters, which is kind of hard to explain. Basically, as a kid I liked AR more and most of my fantasies centered around babyhood. I never really got into the desperation side of DL, but I always liked diapers. That was sort of the weird thing, because I was fine with usage (and got into it more as I grew older), but I didn't really like the whole aspect of trying to hold it. I think that the diaper stood more as a symbol of youth, if anything else, and omorashi-esque stuff felt off from that. Another thing that I think might be related is that I actually never liked toilet training in relation to ABDL? I always preferred for the fantasy to be either 100% in diapers or 100% toilet trained. It sounds a bit ridiculous to say, but having an ABDL scenario in which toilet training was present made me feel unsafe in a way? It's weird because I was fine with a scenario in which the skill had already been acquired, but I really did not like the atmosphere of toilet training. For that reason, I also disliked pull-ups a lot. It's hard to explain exactly why I like the idea of natal incontinence, but I do know that I really prefer the idea of needing diapers over just liking them, even though I am also fine with the latter co-existing with the former. It almost makes me feel more connected to them, in a way. Needless to say, the whole situation is kind of weird. Thank you for responding anon, don't really get to talk about this stuff a lot.

>>49319 It's not weird to feel that way about toilet training. So many parents or other adults are kind of shitty people towards young children, leading to a lot of subtle mental abuse in toilet training, making it an uncomfortable idea.

>>49389 I guess that that feeling is more common than I thought, guess it was just more in a fetish-specific way. My own upbringing was fine, luckily, for some reason I think that switching to the toilet just really symbolized an end to babyhood and thus the parental attention that they get.

>>49319 Well, while I was trying to potty train, I always had this feeling like I was 'doing it wrong' somehow. Like there was something everyone else got that I didn't. It just felt really unfair and frustrating. That still happens even now. Whenever I end up using a potty, I feel like I'm somehow doing it wrong and I'll end up making a mess again. The most blissful moment of it all, and the thing that really got me online with liking diapers instead of being frustrated with them like you assume, is when my parents(and a doctor) sat me down and explained that nobody was expecting me to toilet train anymore. They knew I was doing my best, and it wasn't my fault. When I say 'feel normal about being incontinent', that's absolutely what I mean. Just want to hear and feel like that again. Funny enough, I don't associate diapers with youth. For me, changing my own diapers is when I started feeling like I was properly growing up. I associate them with maturity and stability.

>>49494 Strangely enough, I think I can see what you mean when you say that. Guessing that the moment with your parents and the doctor was just kind of routine in the grand scheme of things, but it almost seems like a turning point of sorts. Like the moment where one does not feel like they are failing anymore. Glad that you got that, anon. Was going to comment more about what you said about developing the ability to change yourself, but there is nothing that I can add. Always kind of imagined that it would feel like self-sufficiency like that. Again, thanks for sharing.

I've always been into this shit, I try to repress how much I like diapers but ai always come back after a year or so. Its different this time though, because Im actually potentially looking at incontinence because of a receng medical issue. I sometimes barely make it to the toilet as is. Its kind of a monkeys paw situation, its kind of an awful condition and pretty scary but the prospect of actually being incontinent and NEEDING to rely on diapers is incredibly hot too... Might end up being my worst relapse yet...

>>49528 I semi wish for that, but also, afraid cause I know that the repercussions are big.

>>49531 The downsides suck yeah, but I cant stop fantasizing about just using it as an excuse to fully indulge without feeling guilty about it... Might as well look at the upside, yknow?

>>49532 Under better living circumstances, 100%

>>49528 You have what's called functional incontinence. It is a medical form of incontinence that is not related to bladder function. You can consult your primary HCP about this and mention that you would prefer to manage this with diapers as opposed to medical treatment. It is perfectly acceptable to consider this option and could be covered by your insurance/FSA.

>Do you wear 24/7, if so, how long? I have been 24/7 for about 6 months, but last 2 years it was 18/7 for the past 2 years. before that I had a stint where I was 24/7 for 1.5 years too. In total I've had bouts over 5+ years >What got you interested in 24/7, and more generally ABDL? Do you consider yourself leaning towards AB or DL especially? 85% DL, but I do have some tendencies toward the AB side. I have some cute pieces from japan >Do you want to untrain? How will you/have you done so? I WFH so I fill my 18oz reusable bottle about every 2 hours. Ideally, I'd like to have urge incontinence so I could theoretically wear pull ups when I need to see family, and wear diapers around my SO/daily life. >Who knows you wear 24/7? Just my SO >If you untrained, do you honestly regret it? How has your mood about it progressed since you started? For me, it has been an absolute blessing (~35% progress), my SO has been very supportive and I have all the necessary supplies to make it more long term/viable. There's a lot more to it to make it viable than you think. Daytime, I subconsciously urinate every 15-30minutes about 100-400ml each time. I do not have any nighttime incontinence, even with drinking 18oz of water every night. I just wake up, pee then go back to sleep. Some general tips as a long term 24/7 wearer that emphasizes value haven't had a true leak in months: >Consider funding an FSA with your employer. Incontinence supplies can be bought with your pre-taxed income. This year due to tariffs I bought ~$2.8K in incontinence supplies. You do not need a Medical Letter of Necessity, you can simply order and upload the receipts. That includes diapers, wipes, cloth, boosters, skincare etc. Basically everything below can be included. >The best plastic pants hands down are made with PUL (Gary or LeakMaster). They are machine washable, dryer safe. I've used these for >8years. >For best value, LLMedico has the best prices for incontinences supplies. Best cost for diapers and boosters are BetterDry plus Seni Booster Pads. Always buy cases. WCLM10 for 10% off, you can also do autoship for 15% off your first shipment and 10% every shipment thereafter. I also stock MegaMax if I have to wear for >18hrs. But most times BetterDry+seni will last for ~12hours. They also give 5% cash back on EVERY order, they also have Crinklz if that fancies you. >At night time, consider cloth diapers on top of disposable to 100% prevent leaks. Any disposable diaper can leak, especially for side sleepers. I use a LeakMaster Adult Pullon Cloth Diapers in XL (31" waist) and a L-XL PUL plastic pants. This is 1000x more comfortable than sleeping on a night pad that can cause night sweats. If you're a back sleeper, no issues. Side sleeper, put a pillow between your legs. > When traveling in Car/plane, instead of normal PUL pants alone, I also add a L/XL LeakMaster Adult Pullon All-In-One Cloth Diapers since it can act as a PUL Pant + extra absorbency in the event of leaks >If you travel/fly a lot like myself, get TSA Precheck, you won't get the full body scanner and instead go through a typical metal scanner. The chance of being pulled aside is <20% vs >85%. If you do get pulled aside, be transparent that you are wearing an adult diaper and you'll get a pat down. You can request to be patted down in a private room >In terms of # of Cloth diaper pull ups of the above options, I recommend at least 3, but up to 5-7 is ideal for daily use. Double check the sizing guide on AdultClothDiaper.com so you don't buy too small of a size. I am a L/XL in the above with a 31" waist + typical disposable diaper setup >I personally do not mess, instead I optimized my diet with high fiber by incorporating lots of vegetables. This allows me 1 BM between diaper changes in the AM. Invest in a bidet to fully clear your bowels. >Newer fashion trends are pro diaper, trendy professional and every day fits are relaxed fits, baggy, or oversized both bottoms and tops. Baggy Denim, Carhart pants, Uniqlo Barrel Jeans, Chubbies are all designed with a wide/elastic waist and extra butt space. Generally speaking, invest in a tailor to keep you looking fresh. The Uniqlo Airism suits in black and navy can perfectly hide a Diaper+booster+PUL pants perfectly, and they will hem them to length for free too. >To mitigate diaper rash, in the shower, wash your butt+genitals with a 10% benzyl peroxide wash daily (Walmart has it very cheap). Afterwards, use a very thin layer of petrolatum on your body, a high amount of petrolatum/Zinc Oxide will disintegrate your diaper's adhesive, reduce absorbency, and cause leaks. >Invest in a XL disposable diaper pail. The disposable bags can also have scents to reduce smell. >Invest in a couple all white onesies when leaving your home Overall, my daily diaper life looks like: >7AM: Remove night time Diaper + Booster + Cloth Pullup + PUL Pants, BM + Bidet, Shower + shave + Benzyl Peroxide followed by petrolatum. Change into BetterDry + Seni Booster (I keep it folded in half to maximize absorbency) +/- cloth diaper pull up + PUL Pants. Continue drinking 18oz water every 1-2 hours >6PM: Diaper change, use disposable wipes to clean, change into BetterDry or MegaMax + SeniBooster +cloth diaper pull up + PUL Pants Continue drinking 18oz water every 1-2 hours. >Repeat (every 3-5 days do cloth diaper + PUL Pants laundry) >For purposes where diapers are not appropriate, I wear the new XXL GoodNites + Uniqlo Airism underwear, these are a godsend

>>49603 I'll probably still need to take medication for the issue so it doesnt develop into something worse but I'll discuss with my doctor about it. Maybe I can do both...

Well I finally invested in a diaper pail. Gonna be between jobs for a bit as I prepare to move out of state. This may be my last time in a very long time where I can wear close to 24/7 so I'm planning on taking advantage of it as best as I can. I live with my mom and tend to wear cutsey jammies that reveal the diaper if you look hard enough so this should be an interesting next few weeks. Any advice would be much appreciated. I'm excited for this!

>>49495 It means a lot that you were willing to listen. Thanks, anon.

>>49930 Same to you.

Not really going 24/7 but this is close enough >Trying to get used to sleeping in diapers >After months trying I go a whole night without feeling any discomfort >wet naturally without effort >Feel the mattress wet soon after >PANIC >all night diaper wasn't able to hold my full bladder >remove bed covers and see the wet spot >not that big can wait until morning >return to sleep

>>50011 After doing this for almost twenty years, I wet almost every night. I will frequently leak, at least two or three times per month. Usually the leaks are small, but occasionally its bad enough to need correction. I usually wear Megamax, they're the most consistent with a fair price point. My last month average output is about 2.1 liters per night, but ranged from 1.5l to 3.2l. I weigh every morning diaper; but do not use dry nights in calculation of my average. Anyway... I have two complete sets of sheets on my bed. When it is really bad I just strip the top set and go back to bed. The base layer is a waterproof breathable mattress protector. I have a high-end mattress that is remarkably comfortable and was crazy expensive, I want to make sure it lasts a good long time. On top of that is disposable pads, usually two Goodnights pads. If not Goodnights, will use regular store brands or other pads, but I always use two and will tape or glue them together so the mattress is completely covered side to side with no gap. I put a regular sheet on over that. On top of the sheet I put another couple of pads, like the first layer. And then I put another sheet. This second layer gets stripped in the middle of the night whenever I leak so badly that it keeps me up, though it has to be pretty bad at this point. I could practically sleep in an actual puddle, I think. For what it is worth, I have tried every diaper ever boasting about their 10l+ capacity and have yet to find one that won't leak after 3l. At 2.5l to 3l, every diaper is 100% wet from edge to edge, top to bottom.

>>50016 you're on another level, respect I just got some mattress protectors the damage was low and is already dry. I'm going to be more careful, don't want my mattress smelling. >Megamax Not available here. I use heavy duty medical diapers and they work well enough for the price it's just the all night diapers that aren't reliable >3l diapers I'd love to try that, could last the whole day for me or at least close to that

>>48096 Switched to wearing BetterDry during the week too and different type of booster and this seems to have given me more confidence to wet during the night. Earlier I always clearly woke up to wet, but in the recent nights I have only had vague memories. Hopefully this was the missing link stopping me from progressing towards bedwetting.

>>50020 >you're on another level, respect No, not really. Incontinence is something I like. I feel like a need was fulfilled. It does make you need to change how you live your life though. > I use heavy duty medical diapers and they work well enough for the price it's just the all night diapers that aren't reliable >3l diapers > I'd love to try that, could last the whole day for me or at least close to that Not sure where you are, but if you are in Europe, you can look at several companies for supplies that perform well. My go to when I lived in Germany was Save Express - those folks are amazing and helped me many times. When I lived in the UAE, it was a problem though. I could get daytime diapers easy at most pharmacies (usually, Attends 10), but diapers that could last all night were a big problem. I took to hot glue, Pampers, and the Attends to make some sort of Frankenstein-diaper. Don't laugh ... it did the job.

>>49613 Yeah i do a lot of this already but I need to get precheck... Last time explaining was a doozy because I kept saying "it's a brief" to each agent before the head guy came over and I had to finally say "diaper". Retards working at TSA

Maybe this could be its own thread, I don't know. I decided to do the math on how many years I've actually been "out of diapers". I figure that in a given year, almost all potty-trained adult wear exactly 0 diapers, so I count any year where I wore diapers at all. It really rewires my brain a little bit to know that I'm 30 and that I've only spent 12 years wearing normal underwear. Can I really say that I should be wearing boxers when I've already spent 2/3rds of my life diapered? Try it yourself if you want.

>>50462 Let's see, I wore diapers/pullups at night time until I was 4ish. Then, when I was 10 I realized I wanted to wear diapers again and biked to the store to buy some. I'm 33 now and have worn at least once a year since then so I've only been fully "out of diapers" for like 6 years by your metric lol. A lot of that time I was in living situations that made it difficult to wear as much as I wanted though and I would always go through the binge/purge cycle. The past few years though I've started wearing a lot more and have been thinking a lot about going 24/7 soon.

>>50471 That's 27 years of some diapers and only 6 years diaper-free. I think if you told someone you're thinking about 24/7 and gave them those stats, they would hardly be surprised

>>50147 Still working on bedwetting, still in almost the same position. I can easily wet only on my stomach, other positions require a lot of pushing. I only wet while consiscous, though I usually wake up multiple times per night to wet, some rare nights I wet while falling asleep and wake up with a full bladder. I had a month of summer vacation during which my sleep was very inconsistent, and I didn't have the usual alarm on to make sure I wake up to wet during the night. I am now back at work, so my sleep is much more consistent, and I've set the alarm again to wake me up to wet. I also have an audio track playing on loop of a few hours that has a louder part of water being poured in it in hopes of creating an urge and tickling my consiscousness to wet.

>>52173 Some incredible progress has been made. I've finally figured out how to properly relax my muscles, and I can wet laying down without having to push at all. I do have to make some consiscous effort to get the muscles to relax, but it's getting easier and easier. While earlier it felt like I was fighting an uphill battle and did question if I'll ever actually become a bedwetter, now it seems a true possibility if I keep going.

>>44153 I remember, that 4o usually used to refuse to help in that, but now I've checked GPT-5, and it give me (not so specified) plan, without hesitation. But for the context, it knows, that I'm 24/7 abdl, and it's set to be more encouraging.

>Do you wear 24/7, if so, how long? 5 years, since I was 25 >What got you interested in 24/7, and more generally ABDL? Do you consider yourself leaning towards AB or DL especially? It started when I was 11 or 12, but I think diapers have always been something interesting to me. When I was 13, I discovered the whole ABDL community, which was quite fascinating because I learned that there were more people like me. Since then, wearing diapers 24/7 has been my dream, but I never thought it would ever come true. Clearly DL at the beggining slowly became both AB and DL i equal parts, but with diaper as necessary. My 24/7 journey started in march 2020. Few weeks before that I moved out from my mom and could finally wear diapers more freely. And when pandemic started and I was sent to work remotelly, it just happened. I put on a diaper, when I came back from work one day, and stayed diapered since then with almost no break. >Do you want to untrain? How will you/have you done so? Yes. And there of course is some progress in those 5 years. In most situations I don't really think about peeing anymore. I usually feel an urge and a second later my bladder let it go. I've also developed a certain reflex - what standing next to a balcony window in my apartment, I pee practically involuntarily, unless my bladder is empty. It's really hard to hold it, which tells me, that reflex is a key to untraining, but unfortunetelly, I don't know how develop such reflex in other conditions. There are olso things I still want to change/improve: 1. Bedwetting (happens only ocasionally 2. Wetting while very focused on something - talking with someone, reading, work usually still makes my more "trained" 3. Mental block to wet when I'm afraid of diaper leakage. >Who knows you wear 24/7? No one, I suppose >If you untrained, do you honestly regret it? How has your mood about it progressed since you started? As I mentioned above, I have made some progress in untraining, and I do not regret it.

Anyone else got overactive bladder and hate the idea of meds, surgery, and those kegel stretches? I think I could easily justify being diapered 24/7 due to OAB, but I still feel like maybe I should tell myself something that it's okay to mess in them, too.

>>53210 >Anyone else got overactive bladder and hate the idea of meds, surgery, and those kegel stretches? Never okay to mess in public. That's just gross, the people around you didn't sign up to be part of your fetish. I am incontinent, but UI only. Mine is OAB with interstitial cystitis and resulting in urge incontinence. The OAB and IC make painful spasms and inevitably my bladder reflex kicks in and releases the flood gate. On top of that I have BPH with can actually help with control but if the spasms get too forceful, even if I can control the reflex, I get overflow. So at this point I don't want surgery but if it meant I would have no more pain and spasms I would get today.

I have recently been wearing the new goodnite xxls every day at work. And when i get home i change into an m4. Took me till the end of the week to make me realize i just did 24/7. I only realized when i wasn't wearing and got a little too relaxed and dribbled a little.

>>52958 Last couple of nights I have seen dreams where I have peed. One dream was very vivid, where I had a desperate urge and I pissed myself while running for a toilet. Sadly after waking up, I noticed I hadn't peed in real life. The other night I remember being awoken to the urge, then falling to a half-asleep state where I dreamed of peeing, then waking back up noticing I'm not actually peeing, and again falling back to a dreamlike state where I felt like peeing. Both times I did have to consiscously wet while awake, but it seems like another step closer to true bedwetting.