>>44424 Culture moves at a snails pace in Current Year, and Gen Z has a lot of cross pollination of media. Early Gen Z and late millennials hyped it up on the internet, like pre-movie Spongebob or (to a lesser extent) Ed, Edd, & Eddy. Where it was fodder for jokes, memes, edits, YTPs, and of course quotable that it took on a life of its own. So later generations hear about this thing that's been hyped up by the older generations, and unlike previous generations they actively embraced it (Because late Zoomers and Gen Alpha really have no Cartoons to call their own besides Tumblrtoons like Steven Universe and online brainrot. At best Gumball, Regular Show, and maybe Gravity Falls.)

>>44426 I haven't seen any besides the salt one, fake Hugh quotes, and Mrs. Fowl telling Sheen that's the X time he's shown Ultralord.

>>44424 >Can't even pretend it does well in streaming because it doesn't have the best episode for viewing. Judging by your pic, I assume you mean the episode where the pants turn evil. >>44432 Do kids like Oneyplays? Smiling Friends is a hit, and Psychicpebbles references Jimmy Neutron a lot on Oneyplays.

Seeing speculation that Paramount's thing at Cinemacon (late in morning PT of April 3rd) would be a place this would be announced if it's announced this year/anytime soon. >>44433 >Oneyplays Never heard of it. Is 1.3 mil subs even that big for a gaming YT channel these days?

>>44432 It definitely fell into ironic meme territory at this point, but that's because of its horrific character design on par with Klasky-Csupo's.

>>44458 >that model That's just gen 1 CGI reduced to low poly by 6th gen shovelware. It's not the character design. The cast looks perfectly fine in 2D illustrations.

I remember when those Owl House faggots made that reanimated Neutron scene as a joke. I pointed out on vanilla /co/ what an obvious attempt it was to bait for future job opportunities to work on a pozzed new Jimmy neutron revival. Seems like Odenkirk just assumed direct control afterwards. Regardless I dont want this shit. The deluge of zoomer nostalgia mining is upon us and I loathe it, it's all been total shit. >Spiderman No Way Home >Avengers 5 including the FoX-men cast >Shrek 5 >Ice Age 6 >the pozzed FOP revival >now this Hollywood deserves to be raped into the dirty 10 times harder than it already has

>>44472 >that reanimated Neutron scene Let me guess: I don't want to know?

>>44472 Don't forget someone bought Megas XLR back from the IRS and now is teasing a reboot.

>>44485 What?!

>>44485 In the fallout of all the shit going down at Warner I was actually thinking over this possibility myself. I mean shit just about anybody with the money could walk in and buy anything from the warner ip library. I would have preferred Chris P buy back Megas but thats the way the cookie crumbles. If Man of Action was smart they would try and pry all of their properties out of warner's cold dying hands now.

>>44483 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l2bQSkTLcsY They reanimated a scene from the original series, but redesigned everybody according to their stunning and brave modern lense. This video pissed me off the moment it was uploaded. All the current generation of animators know how to do is to manufacture internet buzz and use said buzz as a bounding board to new gigs.

>>44509 >The fact that the reanimated scene tricked everyone into thinking it was real <But because of its half-assed character design and lazy facial expressions >While ignoring the obvious dated audio recording Not even Viacom got spared from them incompetent hipsters, considering they greenlit the 3d reboot abomination that was Rugrats and the Ren & Stimpy reboot was just a cancerous tumor that got swept under the rug because it'd make Adult Party look like a masterpiece. At least the Spongebob crew keeps their political shit to themselves and won't taint the fucking product just to spite Orange Hitler because he forced the new videogame consoles to be unaffordable.

>>44529 Honestly I would argue Viacom got raped hardest by the DEI push of the last few years. The fact that so many people let the Blue's Clues drag queen thing pass is still so fucked to me. I can never unsee that, and it wasnt the only one of their shows that stooped that low. The rugrats reboot was no less pozzed but by far it's the greatest waste of a reboot they've done. That series could have been anything from a Reptar series to a new show following the children of the original Rugrats. Instead they just took the laziest possible approach and doubled down on the current year soyisms. It wasnt enough for Charlotte to be a CEO now she has to be a mayor, Phil and Lil had to be made to be ambiguously hispanic while Bettie was made into a dyke, even fucking Grandpa Lou had to be castrated into being a fucking hippie. Im not even a Rugrats superfan by any means but holy shit did they ever salt the earth with that project. By comparison I dont feel bad about the FOP reboot since FOP already endured a dozen other halfassed continuations and spin offs before this latest bag of dogshit saw the light of day. You gotta love their refusal to acknowledge Timmy now too. It's as cynical as could be.

>>44570 >By comparison I dont feel bad about the FOP reboot since FOP already endured a dozen other halfassed continuations and spin offs before this latest bag of dogshit saw the light of day. <Forgot All Grown Up <Never heard of Pre-Skool Daze, with its horrible artstyle <Doesn't realize the last few "episodes" of the original show were actually a direct to video spinoff series where the characters are in fairy tale adaptations. <Doesn't know the last few actual seasons sucked so bad that nobody is even aware they introduced a new main character, Taffy, a babysitter played by Amanda Bynes. <Doesn't know that for a season or two before that, segments were shorted from 11 minutes to 7 minutes, ruining things so hard they had to change back eventually. <Forgot all the post-Paris episodes with Kimi and all those other horrible new characters, like Kimi's mom, Grampa's new wife, and a girl dog. <Probably thinks the worst Rugrats got was that the Post-Dil episodes are worse than the Pre-Dil episodes. <Doesn't realize that actually Rugrats ended after Season 3 and was only brought back a few years later when Nickelodeon realized it was a cash cow, resulting in Season 4, a season made at the same time as the movie, seeing a Spongebob-esque decline in quality. Dil gets all the blame because his inclusion in Season 5 makes those episodes stand out immediately, but really Season 4 is a pretty significant step down too. <Doesn't realize that actually as a precursor to Season 4, Nick started the Rugrats cash-cow era with a Passover special and a Chanukah special. They later did a Kwanzaa special, too, by the way. The Rugrats got raped so hard you'd think they were on a Dan Schneider show. But yes, that CGI abomination is still the worst version by far. They also tried to do a spinoff about Suzie, but it didn't work out. Just wait until they do it again, though. The only reason they didn't just make Tommy a black girl already is because he was retconned to be jewish with that Chanukah special.

>>44424 So I've found some snippets from the Ren and Stimpy reboot-reboot show at Jewtube, so bear in mind the obnoxious video editing just to avoid any copyright C&D. The one with Putin devil seems to be gone again, but the "Out of Context" clips should show you they got hipsters to miss the whole fucking of point and just shit out stale gags. >>44576 <All that cancer injected in Rugrats turning them into Regrets Holy fuck I remember getting fed up because of Nick's old fashioned strategy of milking franchises into dust and shoving Rugrats everywhere possible to the point that I've just skipped any sight of their flavor of the month slop and black out any memory post-movie, you can tell the main headwriter left just to struck gold with Disney and it really showed the other writers didn't know what the fuck to do. It's not a surprise that it became another staple of ironic humor because of its repulsive character design, like the many Clasky Ksupo's abominations.

But I did manage to unfuck an episode, they did borrow Adult Party's color palette holy fuck.

>>44582 They didn't even bother to exaggerate their iconic facial expressions.

>>44583 You've probably guessed where the plot is going, it's a CURRENT YEAR remake of Stimpy's TV addiction.

>>44581 >repulsive character design, like the many Clasky Ksupo's abominations. I'll take Klasky Csupo any day over modern tumblr-esque bullshit. Sometimes it worked very well. The babies in Rugrats looked kind of weird, but I'd say babies do look weird, and this look helped the show from falling into just "cute baby show" territory. Then again, modern shows with awful artstyles, like say Bob's Burgers, still seem to be all about "cute" rather than funny (at least after the first couple seasons). After Rugrats they did Ahh!! Real Monsters, and the Klasky-Csupo artstyle worked great for that. Santo Bugito worked for the same reasons. I guess Eliza Thornberry looked pretty fucked up, but a lot of the focus of that show was on animals, and they looked good. I will say that As Told By Ginger and All Grown Up were not the right type of shows for this artstyle. I suppose All Grown Up didn't have much of a choice, and it did okay with what it was dealt, in terms of visuals. Once you give Tommy some hair, his lumpy head isn't as distracting. But yeah, I have to assume girls would have identified with Ginger a bit more if she wasn't horribly deformed. But yeah, I noticed the creators of Recess wrote a bunch of early Rugrats. There's even an episode that always struck me as blatantly reused. The one where Principal Prickley gets hit on the head and thinks he's the age of the main characters. They did the same thing with Stu in Rugrats. But both shows were well written, so I'm not complaining if they're a bit similar. Recess is a better sequel to Rugrats than All Grown Up. The other thing with Rugrats is once it became a cash cow and execs started meddling with it. Like Arlene Klasky, who as far as I can tell only has her name in the company because her husband, Gabor Csupo, is whipped, apparently didn't notice Angelica until Season 4. That's when she started saying that Angelica was too mean, and demanded that she become nice. She's the villain of the show, but now she's not allowed to be mean. Ruined one of the most important characters. This is also the point where a lot of the more adult humor starts to be de-emphasized. Now it wasn't just a show that kids could enjoy, it was a show made for kids, AKA talking down to kids and not actually as funny. Same thing happened with Spongebob. Seasons 1-3 the whole joke was that he was an adult who just acted very childish. He has a job, and when the studio forced them to make him go to school, they compromised and said he goes to driving school. Because if he was a kid, none of the stuff he does would be funny. It's funny because he's a man. Then in the movie, the entire climax was him embracing that he's a kid, because "kids are awesome!" I was 13 and even I could tell this was talking down to me. Because that's what happens when execs notice they have a cash cow and thus start meddling in it. You'd think eventually you'd find one smart enough to say "hey, this is making zillions of dollars! Let's keep it as it is!" But no. They always have to ruin it. >>44582 Bet all those people who shittalked Adult Party Cartoon are eating their words now. Except no, because they were always a bunch of butthurt "hippies" (as John K would call them) in the first place. Justice for John K.

>>44584 Jesus christ, Bill has definitely lost his spark much like with Marge Simpson's voice actress, but since he's the guy who also provided his retarded voices to Futurama god forbid if he throws the towel.

>>44585 >John K. I find it baffling despite getting the boot from the industry the rest of the other pedophiles are off the hook and still working at kids' media, look at Brian Peck, Viacom's lawyers showed up to the rescue and bailed his mediocre ass out. >>44586 More meh and "I've seen that" visual gags

>>44587 Well, this is the part where a new gag happens and it's Stimpy getting his skin glued into the bed like the real life case of a fat ass whore whose ass became part of her own couch just to spite her son, although her case was a lot funnier than whoever tried to make a callback in this scene. Also Stimpy scares away Ren?

>>44587 John K. was a good boy and dindu nuffin. That bitch Katie Rice was happy working for him for years, while he could help her career. Then his clout ran out so she decided that everything she got from him over the years wasn't enough, and accused him of ridiculous things like phone rape. I suppose it didn't make much of a difference since he had already ruined his career with his perfectionist autism anyway, but that perfectionist autism is precisely why his cartoons were so damn good. And now look. Even just from thumbnails you can see that this new Ren & Stimpy is all fucked up. When even the guys who took over after John K. got fired have to come out and warn everyone that this show is just a bunch of women talking over the people who actually know what they're doing, then you know you have a problem.

>>44588 Yet another borrowed gag from My Shiny Friend but done so insipidly, like they wanted to recreate the gag of Stimpy somehow not detaching himself from the device but they decided something else at the last moment.

>>44590 That something else being Stimpy merged and mutated with the iphone, the phone gained life on its own and wants revenge, might be a coincide but that also reminds me of the episode with the goblin voiced by Gilbert Gottfried.

>>44591 So yeah now the plot switched to Blazing Entrails, reflecting the development hell the reboot went through: >No scenes projecting John's personal devils taking over and steering the whole thing into a morbid mess >Sugarcoated by the rest of the cartoonists by shaping them with humor, perfectly contrasting both sides of comedy and horror <It's all just clueless fags who saw some of the pirated episodes, borrowed what they remember but completely missed the point how the humor worked and fell flat in every aspect possible This shit became the anti-thesis of Numaniacs, where in that one they only knew gross out humor and plastered all over the cartoon that was only known for puns, absurd gags and even clever humor that sticks in your gray matter for a while. Whereas the Ren and Stimpy reboot-reboot they don't even hold a candle to its grotesque and deadpan humor.

>>44576 >implying I've forgotten any of the IP stripmining done to Rugrats I remember it all very well. I especially remember the weeks when all Nick would air was hours of late season reruns of the show. By then the series felt like visual ambien. Yet for all the milking they put it through we somehow never got a fucking reptar spin off. Somehow this applies to FOP and Squarepants too, in that they'll spin off just about every fucking character in either series except for the actually interesting in-universe capeshitter or media franchise. I know about the TOHO court ruling rumor B.S. but I still dont buy it. We're talking about viacom after all, there arent any lengths to which they wont whore out something they own. That said I will still argue Dil's introduction marked the start of the decline. The series was already getting stretched to its limits prior to his arrival, but once he became a main part of the cast, Viacom basically went into maximum overdrive on Rugrats milking. Atleast the subsequent additions you named are so forgettable as to not taint the series in the same way the CGI series has. Either way the new show seems to have been buried along with all the other streaming exclusive slop they churned out.

>>44581 So are they still intent on releasing this disaster? Last I heard the viacom suits considered it so shit they shelved it. From the few screenshots I've seen over the last few months it just looks awful.

>>44585 >I'll take Klasky Csupo any day over modern tumblr-esque bullshit The saving grace of the Klasky style is how rarely it really was used. All in all we saw what, maybe 5 shows utilize it from the early 90's into the mid 2000's? The sheer range in variety amongst all those shows also did alot to keep things fresh I imagine. Duckman, Rugrats, Jumanji, Real Monsters, those McDonalds cartoons, and Thornberries. Even the ripoffs like Mike, Lu, and Og looked pretty distinct by comparison. It's hard to get sick of something used so sparringly (Even if alot of the examples you named are hard to look at. Baffling how the shows that could deliver on lookers like Charlotte Pickles and Debbie Thornberry could also deliver on chernobel mutants like Donnie, Eliza, Tommy, etc.) Compare that to the 15 years of nonstop beanmouth sludge we've been punished with, Klasky frankly seems like a reprieve. Worse yet is the simple fact that nobody has managed to build onto beanslop. It's an aesthetic that denigrates and grows worse overtime. Having said as much, the retooling of Angelica into a "nice" character was the most bullshit retcon they ever did. It's the most jarring aspect of All Grown Up even now. Ofcourse it began in the later seasons of the original series and then carried over into the spin offs, but Angelica was such a cunt for so long that seeing her portrayed as anything but just comes off as ridiculous. >I will say that As Told By Ginger and All Grown Up were not the right type of shows for this artstyle I couldnt agree more. It makes the emotional sequences from the former all the more awkward and painful to sit through. Grown Up atleast didnt take itself that seriously very often. I'm sure there was an episode or two that delved into heavy subject matter but it certainly wasnt the standard for the series. Focus on Dil being a social retard and Chuckie shacking up with Susie was a bigger priority I guess.

>>44585 Seperating the SP portion of my reply to keep the Rugrats autism digestable. I know it's a dead horse these days but it really is tragic how unrecognizable Spongebob has become. I've always made the case online that early Spongebob felt like a cross between Peanuts and classic Looney Tunes in both humor and its overall tone. It barely feels like a nicktoon at any point. But the simple setup of Spongebob being a manchild that slowly but surely works his way to embracing that shortcoming as a strength is so satisfying. It's what made that original film feel all the more conclusive. Then they ripped that away from us and now I just fail to recognize who or what Spongebob is anymore. People understandably lament the sanitization of characters like Mickey Mouse given what a rambunctious assholish troublemaker he started off as. But Spongebob almost seems to have gone through an inversion of that reinvention. He started out as the squeaky clean and lovable everyman only to become the obnoxious asshole troublemaker most would expect a kid mascot character made to sell merchandise and keep kids quiet to be. But like you noted, the sponge makes all the money, so why care about integrity.

>>44594 >Yet for all the milking they put it through we somehow never got a fucking reptar spin off. Remember one time they did a two-part Reptar episode? That was pretty cool. Definitely one of the better post-Dil episodes. Has almost none of the charm of the original seasons, but I do love Godzilla, so this one stuck out to me. >Somehow this applies to FOP and Squarepants too, in that they'll spin off just about every fucking character in either series except for the actually interesting in-universe capeshitter or media franchise. There was the Fairly Oddparents backdoor pilot for Crash Nebula. But yeah, The Crimson Chin was way cooler. And The New Adventures of Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy actually would have been a great show. >That said I will still argue Dil's introduction marked the start of the decline. The series was already getting stretched to its limits prior to his arrival, but once he became a main part of the cast, Viacom basically went into maximum overdrive on Rugrats milking. This is the conventional opinion, but I disagree. Season 4 was being made at the same time as the movie, and the change in style can already be seen there. Chanukah, Passover, Vacation, an awful episode that ends with Angelica and her deliberately grating voice singing a full length version of Vacation by The Go-Gos. I might agree that it's a bit better than Season 5, and I'd guess it's only because of holdover scripts from Season 3. But the downfall definitely started here, but just became more noticeable once Dil was around to make you immediately realize you were watching a newer season. >Atleast the subsequent additions you named are so forgettable as to not taint the series in the same way the CGI series has. Only forgettable because everyone already knew the show was shit once Dil showed up. But Post-Kimi episodes are definitely a lot worse than Post-Dil episodes. And nobody watched much after that. But actually they did watch All Grown Up. It got a bunch of seasons. Remember the one where it turns out Chuckie is a massive weeb because he actually thought he was Japanese because he has a Japanese mom and a Japanese sister, and doesn't remember the events of the original series, so he thought they were biologically related? Actually, that sounds fucking hilarious when taken out of context, but the execution isn't as funny as it should have been. Actually, it's really sad because fans might remember the Mother's Day episode, by far the best Post-Dil episode, where two-year old Chuckie has only vague memories of his dead mom, and but doesn't remember who the woman in the memories is. Meanwhile the parents see the problem and have to convince Chaz to build his courage, and get over the pain of his own recently dead wife, to explain the situation to Chuckie and make sure he doesn't forget her. But by All Grown Up, he has forgotten her, to the degree that he literally thinks he's Japanese. But yes, at least they didn't turn Betty into a dyke. What happened to Howard in that new series? Are the parents just divorced now? Come on, Phil and Lil were weird enough as it is. They don't stand a chance now. Is the new series a continuation or a full reboot? They could have just framed it as a continuation, but I guess Betty and Howard not being together contradicts All Grown Up lore, unless she gets back with him after a few years of munching on carpet. >>44598 >chernobel mutants like Donnie, Eliza, Tommy, With Donnie it was clearly very intentional. I'd argue it was with Tommy, too. Eliza, though? Yeah she probably should have looked more normal. >Having said as much, the retooling of Angelica into a "nice" character was the most bullshit retcon they ever did. It's the most jarring aspect of All Grown Up even now. The thing the people who ruined her didn't get, but even I got as a kid the same age as Angelica, was that she acted that way because of her parents, and that was funny commentary. The spoiled kid acts like a brat. It's pretty simple. And then they actually had more depth to it because while she was spoiled with things like gifts, it was also clear that her parents didn't actually spend much time with her or interact with her in natural or personal ways. That added sympathy. And there were a bunch of episodes where she gets in trouble, but not even for the thing she actually did, which again gives the character some sympathy. Honestly Angelica was a pretty three dimensional villain. The show doesn't get enough credit for that. Rugrats also doesn't get enough credit for how all the parents essentially exist to explain why the babies act the way they do. Phil and Lil are weirdos because their parents have reversed gender roles. The mom is absolutely in charge but also very masculine so the kids are super dirty and stuff. Chuckie is a little bitch because he has a neurotic single dad, and even he gets later development that essentially implies he's neurotic because his wife recently died and he isn't really sure how to cope with being a single dad. Tommy is more balanced because while his mom goes a bit overboard with trying to do things by the book, always quoting Dr. Lipschitz (a name I can't believe Nickelodeon let them get away with), his dad is more absent-minded and adventurous. So Tommy is smart and brave. But all those parents are shown as good, even if flawed, so the kids are still good kids. While Angelica's parents, always focused on work and only spoiling their kid with money rather than very sincere love, end up with a little devil. But no, cartoon characters, especially little girls, aren't allowed to be mean. So most conflict gets removed from the show once execs noticed it was actually well written, and decided they had to put a stop to that. >>44599 >I've always made the case online that early Spongebob felt like a cross between Peanuts and classic Looney Tunes in both humor and its overall tone. It barely feels like a nicktoon at any point. I'd say it feels a lot like Rocko's Modern Life, where Hillenberg was one of the main writers only a few years before Spongebob. Even the premise of both was largely the same, with a young man who doesn't quite know how to enter the adult world, his big fat friend who is never really openly acknowledged as dumb (but obviously is), his neighbor who fucking hates him, and his feminist quota filling "girl that's good at everything" friend. Spongebob is very close to basically being Rocko but underwater. That's not to say it's exactly the same, but the connections are obvious. >But like you noted, the sponge makes all the money, so why care about integrity. Yeah, but part of me thinks the show would have made more money if it was good than if it was bad. Nobody in the world likes Seasons 4+ more than the first three seasons. Surely they'd make more money if they didn't just decide to start making the show bad.

>>44595 The episodes eventually got dumped at the Internet Archive but then these Viacom kikes getting their panties in a knot and straight out sending C&D warnings to everyone including their grannies, don't be surprised if they end up deleting the obsolete Beavis and Butthead's CDROM screen savers.

>>44604 Didn't Nick's executives have plans to keep airing a cartoon that just simply refuses to die? (What TimeWarner is doing to TTG) CatDog being a potential candidate, but then Spongebob happened and the Fairly OddParents were gaining momentum thanks to its neglected distribution rights (they used air that cartoon through fucking Disney in South America)

>>44607 >that comic couldnt timmy just wish he hadnt had sex with wanda to begin with?

>>44604 That Reptar two-parter along with all the Reptar wank in the Paris film made seasons 4 through 10 worth sitting through despite how boring they were. Clearly the writers know how to make use of the character but Viacom just fears the samurai for whatever reason. This despite all the ways they could stand to differentiate Reptar from Goji, but I digress. Since you mentioned it I was always disappointed by the Nebula pilot. Like Chin, Nebula was presented as this fully fleshed out superhero in the mainshow. Granted, Chin was always the cooler option (especially compared to Catman), but a straight forward Crash Nebula series could have worked just as well. That pilot came out a few years after the demise of BLoSC (the Buzz Lightyear animated series) so I certainly would have welcomed it with open arms had it struck a similar chord. Instead it just ended up being space danny phantom, and I honestly believe that's why it never got picked up. The New Adventures of Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy would have made for a great series aswell, especially at that time, since DC was still largely hessitant to do anything noteworthy with Aquaman (outside of the one well recieved but rejected CW Aquaman pilot). Even then Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy would have been distinct enough to deliver something considerably different. I imagine a full series with those two would have played out like one of the classic comedy capeshit cartoons like The Tick or Fred Wolf TMNT. In anycase we still have those great Hillenburg comics that did a swell job of exploring the sorts of adventures those two went on in their prime. That series was great outside of that, and across its run, managed to get alot of big name older comic talents some much needed work. Everyone from Ramona Fradon to Neal Adams contributed to that title while it was around, before Bongo shuttered it's doors that is. Chin, Ultralord, even Manarctica all could have been successful imo. But Nick was always averse to risk taking, especially towards the later aughts once they embraced sitcoms and spongebob reruns wholesale. On the subject matter of those specials, I'd argue that they're more entertaining than later installments, but I can see where you're coming from regardless. By then the show had long dropped the experimental POV shots and the trippier visuals for safer and much more dumbed down storytelling and redesigns. The show also noticeably became alot more saccharine past season 5. The Kimi era is nothing but an excuse for cute fluff and little else. Had the original series retained the same sort of popularity it had in the late 90's Im all but certain it would have eventually taken an Arthur-esque leap to flash animation eventually just to cut down on production costs while still turning out a modest profit, but after the Thornberry crossover there was effectively a silent consensus that we were all tired of baby adventure shenanigans. Thus ushering in the demise of the entire baby "X" gimmick of the 80's and 90's. In retrospect, it is bizarre how popular All Grown Up turned out to be. Even now there appears to be more appreciation for it than any of its peers. Like alot of 2000's nicktoons I cant shake the feeling it would have lasted longer had the network actually advertised it. >Chuckie forgetting his mom I hadnt thought of that episode in decades until reading your post. Even at the time that did piss me off, but the show at large always just sought out excuses for cheap gags like that. They outright reinvented the entire cast if we're being honest with ourselves. At times it felt like an animated sitcom for tweens, like a toothless degrassi over an actual kid's cartoon. You'd think they would have pushed it to nick at nite considering, but then again, nick suits probably dont consider much outside of spongebob anyhow. >What happened to Howard in that new series? Are the parents just divorced now? Come on, Phil and Lil were weird enough as it is. They don't stand a chance now. Is the new series a continuation or a full reboot? They could have just framed it as a continuation, but I guess Betty and Howard not being together contradicts All Grown Up lore, unless she gets back with him after a few years of munching on carpet. He is quite literally razed from existence from what I saw. My cousin, a diehard fan of the original series and AGU, also noted that it was implied that Phil and Lil were test tube babies. They pretty much sacrificed the innate charm those two had on the altar of DEI. The entirety of the reboot just gives off a major bodysnatchers vibe really. It is intended to be a full reboot aswell, but they marketed it to fans of the original as a soft continuation. It didnt work. You know those later Simpsons episodes where standing canon is retconned for the sake of making the likes of Homer and Marge more relatable to gen X and millenials? The Rugrats reboot operates off that same approach to such an extreme that you wont even recognize certain characters. Random alterations are also made for the sake of memberberries and diversity quotas. Having Lil, Susie, and Kimi being there from the start being a great example of that. I genuinely couldnt sit through more than 5 minutes of the first few episodes. It's just an overall painful watch. It's like the Dustborn of cartoon reboots. I mentioned as much already, but it still takes me aback that they passed up thechance to make a Rugrats TNG. Especially since AGU remains such a beloved facet of the franchise AND the original audience that grew up with these characters are now old enough to have kids of their own. But I suppose that would have been too risky for the suits. Kudos for Angelica points in anycase. Everything you noted perfectly summarizes what made her memorable to begin with. Likewise it's what makes AGU Angelica insufferable. >But no, cartoon characters, especially little girls, aren't allowed to be mean. So most conflict gets removed from the show once execs noticed it was actually well written, and decided they had to put a stop to that People like to act like the network censors are dead and buried these days but the reality is they just changed with the times. It's sad really. You also reminded me the reason Tommy and the other Rugrats were excluded from NASB was because of the suits feeling it was inappropriate for cartoon infants to participate in acts of violence. One of Nick's watershed properties almost wholly excluded because some overly sensitive dipshit cant stomach cartoon violence. Peak clownworld shit only made worse by the fact that the recent Rugrats metroidvania completely allowed for the characters to do just that anyways. >I'd say it feels a lot like Rocko's Modern Life I've always heard this. Somehow it makes Rocko seem like a lesser Spongebob in retrospect, a distinction that I feel is a bit unfair even if somewhat accurate. Though I see the basic similarities I find there are alot more distinctions with Spongebob. I remember seeing a hillenburg interview where he noted what an influence alot of the big theatrical cartoons of the mid 20th century were for his work, and ever since then I camt unsee it. All in all it just seems like the guy leveled up his skillset once he put together spongebob. Those first 3-4 seasons perfedtly cement why the character became such an icon.

>>44605 Crazy how much shit there still is on IA. You can still find tons even now. Anyways I cant say its much of a surprise to me that viacom would act that way given their reputation

>>44611 >pic Phil looks like he has Downs Syndrome, but that kinda works. Lil looks ugly as sin, but I suppose that makes sense, too. I get the artist was trying to make Tommy look a bit more like Stu, but I think he went too far in changing his head shape so significantly, and I think I might feel the same about the nose, too. I like the idea, but I think All Grown Up, doing it a bit more subtly, might have done it better. And Chuckie is way too big a change. He went from having a very horizontal head to a very vertical head. Again, All Grown Up might not have changed things much, but I think it was still better. But I wouldn't have even noted the pic if not for hilarious Downs Syndrome Phil. >Clearly the writers know how to make use of the character but Viacom just fears the samurai for whatever reason. I do think doing too much with it would ruin the premise. It's a simple parody that exists as commentary on what kids like vs what parents think they like. It's essentially commentary on the show itself, as kids' cartoons before it would have been much more dumbed down for their audience, but those early Nicktoons were some of the first kids' cartoons since the Golden Age (and even those were really all ages cartoons) to be a little bit more mature, to not talk down to their audience to an insulting degree. Didi thinks the kids will love the Dummy Bears, the obvious parody of Care Bears and Gummi Bears (which, to be fair, had great animation, but definitely talked down to its audience), so basically '80s cartoons in general. Meanwhile the kids actually love the "violent" and "scary" (and presumably live action) series instead. You can stretch a bit more parody out of that, like Reptar on Ice and Reptar Bars being satire of ridiculous consumerism, but eventually you'll run out. That two-parter really was already post-Shark Jump, and while I enjoyed it, it certainly didn't have much to it beyond "here's an actual whole episode of Reptar." I don't know if they could do much more with that without ruining it further. >Catman I was always surprised Nickelodeon got away with that. Catman is an actual DC Comics character who wears an extremely similar costume. He was around since the '60s and originally fought Batman (notable due to Nick's Catman being played by Adam West). This Catman was pretty obscure, only making sporadic appearances, but still, he was around for decades and wears the same damn costume. Interestingly, very shortly after Fairly Oddparents introduced their Catman in 2003, 2005's "Villains United" miniseries, and its subsequent follow-up regular series "Secret Six" brought back DC's Catman. In his last appearance he was old and out of shape, made into a joke villain beaten by Green Arrow. Villains United established that being beaten by Green Arrow was rock bottom for him, and inspired him to hit the gym and get back into shape. He then became a fan favorite character. Well until the writer that brought him back, Gail Simone, also ruined him a few years later, since she's basically the biggest SJW in the comics industry. But I'll give her credit for that first Secret Six run. It was pretty good. But anyway, Catman being old and washed up and then coming back and being cool again is also straight out of Fairly Oddparents. So it's almost like Nick took the character from DC and then DC took elements from Nick's version. Now I know Catman is a generic name and the first thing you'd think of if you wanted to parody Batman, but it's the same damn costume. >The New Adventures of Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy would have made for a great series aswell, especially at that time, since DC was still largely hessitant to do anything noteworthy with Aquaman (outside of the one well recieved but rejected CW Aquaman pilot). Well I said specifically The New Adventures because it would be a parody, and I would definitely watch a series about two old and out of shape superheroes fumbling their way to success every episode. That could be hilarious, and while the premise of old and out of shape superheroes has been done many times, when it is done as comedy, they never delve deep into it. But I think there are a lot of jokes that could be mined out of it. >Having Lil, Susie, and Kimi being there from the start being a great example of that. But Lil was there from the start originally. And if it's a continuation, then okay, the later introduced characters would be there. But Kimi shouldn't be there because nobody likes Kimi and everyone knows that her presence means the episode you're watching is definitely shit. And Suzie kinda sucks too, a blatant propaganda character from her first appearance, but at least she was introduced early enough that the writers were good and could so something with it, or at least with her family. Stu's interactions with Suzie's dad were pretty funny. >Rugrats TNG And you don't think that the excuse to make a completely new cast would be even worse? The main character would by Tommy and Kimi's hapa daughter, braver and smarter and more capable than Tommy ever was. You'd be lucky if they didn't outright shittalk Tommy and say he always sucked, in an attempt to make his daughter look better. >the reason Tommy and the other Rugrats were excluded from NASB was because of the suits feeling it was inappropriate for cartoon infants to participate in acts of violence. I instantly lost all interest in the game the moment I learned that I wouldn't get to play as Tommy and shank Angelica with the screwdriver he keeps in his prison wallet. And how were Phil and Lil not used as an Ice Climbers clone? It practically designs itself.

>>44617 Honestly the ugliness of these designs just suits the property best. IIRC these designs were only concieved as a rebuttal to the sheer number of needlessly attractive and sexy fanon designs for adult rugrats that was cluttering the net at the time. I will agree Chuckie's is the most out of left field as a result of that oblong noggin, but I'd say Tommy and the twins look spot on. As for Reptar, a full on Reptar series is exactly what I wanted from the time the show was still on the air. On occasion I've toyed with ideas for what that would entail, but at this point I just dont see it happening. If the Viacom suits were that plugged into culture they would have had Reptar and Cynthia movies ready for release by 2023. It seems like most people are ignorant to the wider history of Catman. He did start out as an outright Batman rip off. Then DC took Holyoke to court and that ended the golden age character's run. There after a subsequent Australian continuation was produced once they ran out of official Holyoke material to publish, and around the same time stateside DC just moved to make Catman into a bat-foe. Since the golden age version had long since lapsed anyway the general idea just went onto spawn a life of its own there after. Thus we got FOP's Catman alongside the DC reintroduction. FWIW youtuber Austin Mcconnell is making an animated film with a reimagined version of the golden age Catman, but that's a whole other can of worms. Just the prospect of a Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy series puts a smile on my face. There really are a ton of different ways you could play with that duo. The new adventures filmation approach is pretty much what the main Spongebob series did anyhow, but I could easily see them leaning into BATB territory as time went on. Some episodes would follow their elderly incarnations, others their youthful prime selves, maybe the ILJSA could make occasional appearances overtime, and ideally we could juggle tones across different episodes as a result. It's pie eyed daydreaming admittedly but Im just describing what I'd love to see. Like I noted already the comics did cook up alot of lore for them too. In the right hands it could be a goldmine. Also I wanted to correct myself. I said Lil in my earlier reply when I meant to name DIL. I guess I had a brainfart as I was typing out that bible's worth of autism earlier. Long story short they dedicate an entire episode to Dil's birth early on in the series and he just along for the ride there after. I was never a fan of the character to start with but seeing his introduction speedran like that did make me appreciate the effort they went through with his introduction in the original film, even if buy and large, it's my least favorite of all the Rugrat movies. That said, part of me is surprised Viacom didnt attempt to make some godawful CGI-Live action hybrid Rugrats film in the vein of the Sony Smurf movies or the FOX Chipmunks films. Pairing some big name actors as the parents to a bunch of ugly hyper realistic renditions of the babies seems alot more onbrand for Viacom than the reboot did. As for Rugrats TNG, just like with my Reptar and Mermaidman musings, I think we both know whatever these hollywood idiots actually produce wouldnt hold upto the ideal outcomes in our mind's eye. I really just believe the TNG approach would have been the more respectable way to go even if they had doused the end result in all the typical diversity tropes of the day. Tommy and friends would have ultimately grown up to be actual millenials in anycase had they stuck to the original timeline.

>>44619 >linking jewtube yewtu.be

>>44585 Adult Party Cartoon was a mess of ideas Nickelodeon rejected and a vehicle for John K's fetishes. There are only one or two good episodes.

>>44698 Adult Party Cartoon is hilarious, even if John K. said Spike encouraged him to go a bit further than he would have otherwise. My personal favorite episode is probably Fire Dogs 2, but they're all great.

>>44604 >Remember the one where it turns out Chuckie is a massive weeb because he actually thought he was Japanese because he has a Japanese mom and a Japanese sister, In the hands of better writing, I think the idea of a step-child being interested in the culture of the step-parent while their step-sibling, who actually is of that ethnicity, is so thoroughly Americanized to not care would be an interesting episode concept.

>>44698 It's the same thing as the original, I don't see the difference outside the adult content.

>>44749 The full image is better due to the implication that it is still the professor in there, but also the disgust on Wanda's face.

>>44751 Wanda's thousand yard stare never gets old

>>44424 >I'm pretty sure it was only relatively popular in its day, not a juggernaut At it's peak in the early 2000s it was the 3rd most popular Nicktoon of the 2000s after Spongebob and Fairly OddParents. I remember they use to air reruns constantly and they even did those crossover specials with Fairly OddParents as well. The problem is that the series basically died out of nowhere after 2006 because the company who made it, DNA productions went bankrupt after sinking millions into The Ant Bully which flopped. So even though a fourth season was ordered by Nickelodeon. It never happened and Jimmy Neutron just faded away. It doesn't help that Planet Sheen came out of nowhere years later and kinda ruined what legacy the show still had by being so awful.

>>44581 >that ren and stimpy 'animation' jesus christ how repulsive

>>44978 I could never understand why they greenlit Planet Sheen. They took the most annoying character, gave him his own show, and made it the most boring shit imaginable. It's not even bad enough to laugh at, it's that boring.

>>44458 The pizza is agressive. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB871SVYMhI

>>45208 The funny thing is that theres actually an episode where the pizza is in fact aggressive.

>>45031 Why the fuck they couldn't make it into a new season of Jimmy Neutron, picking up right where they left? The animation was acceptable despite looking it was done by yuppies practicing with Blender. >The most annoying character got a spinoff They sort gave an explanation when they shit out the Patrick Star Show in which a Nick executive basically said: <<Secondary characters have potential, it's like we have our own small Marvel Universe Now how the hell Sheen got shitcanned and was never put on life support just to fill in dead air? Was it because of the Fairly Odd Parents? It's quite concerning how Patrick's spinoff show managed to get 5 fucking seasons, Viacom is really giving TimeWarner a run for their shekels to see who wins on low effort slop for children who have their faces glued onto their ipads.

>Jimmy is 10 in (early?) season 1 per the newspaper clippings in Professor Calamitous, I Presume >Hypno-Birthday to You takes in July, and says Jimmy's birthday is in 3 months >Holly Jolly Jimmy from season 2 is a Christmas episode so he's presumably 11 by that episode >Jimmy Goes to College takes place November 16th (10th?) 2004 which should make him 12 at the end <fellow season 3 episode The Tomorrow Boys is about Libby's 12th birthday <Elke joining the LLS in 1998 and Carl having joined in the 1990s is consistent with a 2004 date >ergo, Jimmy was born in 1992 >Jimmy is now 32 years old

>>44424 >it doesn't have the best episode for viewing What

>>44587 John would've been protected if he hadn't destroyed his career by being an asshole.

>>44424 And the only ones who will watch it are hillbillies and rednecks.

What's the deal with Libby's dad? He makes one appearance where he's explicitly identified by Libby as "my daddy" and then is absent from the series, even when all the other parents are together for the sake of their children (e.g., N-Men, or Win, Lose, Kaboom) when her mom is present? Is he an oil rig worker (would explain how he's one of the few muscular adults, and explains the relative wealth of Libby family for how extravagant )? Estranged but not officially divorced?

>>49112 Why do you constantly RP as Khan from King of the Hill?

>>44570 >The fact that so many people let the Blue's Clues drag queen thing pass is still so fucked to me. Man, that was small potatoes compared to the pedo colors on that one pride parade float.

>Cindy considers walking into the boy's bathroom by mistake more embarrassing than walking around in her underwear all day What did she mean by this?

I don't think JN is popular enough for a real revival. Its really a product of its time, down to the humor and spastic mannerisms of the cast. People now seem to also want more overarching plots in their animated media (even if they still suck) and the show was always villain/monster of the week. Which is fine but I don't see it resonating with anyone beyond its old target audience, who are all in their 30's by now or late 20's. This same audience mostly moved on to crap like Steven Universe, Rick and Morty, Owl House, whatever the fuck Netflix is shilling like Dragon Prince or Castlevania.

>>51533 Thats not going to stop Viacom from trying. They're still aiming to make that live action Danny Phantom movie last I checked, not to mention all the plans they still have for Avatar. They want to milk all their Nick IP for all that they can. >People now seem to also want more overarching plots in their animated media (even if they still suck) and the show was always villain/monster of the week I'm in the opposite camp. I'd kill to go back to monster of the week episodic bullshittery. None of the leepest dore beanmouth shows have been any good and I'm tired of zoomers insisting that they were the peak of western animation. At this point however I doubt any of the heights of 90's/2000's action cartoons can be reached again, let alone the comedy cartoons from those eras. The internet ruined everything.

>>51533 >People now seem to also want more overarching plots in their animated media Jimmy Neutron actually had surprisingly good continuity, character growth, references to characters increasing in age, and passage of time in a pre-Avatar era where networks were terrified of and often outright prohibited it (Bye Bye Beavers). It wasn't in your face about it, and the order Nick aired episodes is horribly out of synch with production order (to the point villains who haven't debuted yet show up to take revenge), but you could tell when an episode was set by just how Cindy and Jimmy interact.