>>31283 One of the worst written scenes in the series. It's nonsense, on top of being completely OOC.

>>31304 She is canonically into the occult.

>>31283 Did they change this in the Japanese version? Please tell me they did.

I'm an atheist but I know for sure that I'm not Amy

>>31334 Same. Atheists are too smart to be Amy.

Why didn’t anyone call Ian out for this when you had a chance on the Bumblekast?

>>31363 I vaguely recall somebody did, Ian said he didn't write the open world flavor dialogue.

>>31283 This isn't something she'd say therefore she isn't.

>>31325 As far as I know, no unfortunately. In fact, this was actually written in Japanese first, and simply translated to English without Ian's involvement. It's just badly written OOC dialogue though >>31363 He said he didn't write any of the one-to-one character dialogue in The Final Horizon, he only did the main scenes

>>31599 >I'm proud of being the lead writer for frontiers >Uhh, I didn't write that As much as I'm willing to believe Ian, he at the very least signed off on the dialogue even if he didn't personally "write" it. Not surprising considering his checkered past when it comes to accountability. Like when he plagiarized the Super Mario wiki, or tried to blame SEGA for "mandates" when people complained about the characterization in IDW. Yeah, Sega does have mandates. It's part of being a third-party writer for an existing IP. Literally every writer doing similar work for a brand has to deal with guidelines detailing what they are allowed to do with the characters, story and setting. It actually really irritated me to see him pass the buck rather than simply acknowledge that he didn't do his job very well. Moreover, go on to regularly scorn his employers for the shortcomings in his creative process. You know what? I bet he did write that Amy dialogue. After all, he is listed as the sole-fucking writer for the english story and script. He's probably just too much of a pussy to admit it.

>>31647 >he is listed as the sole-fucking writer for the english story and script He's not, not in Frontiers (where it just says "Writer, Story and Script" and lists him alongside Kishimoto and Ootsu), and especially not in The Final Horizon (which has no credits at all unfortunately). He is listed as the sole writer for Shadow Generations, but that's obviously not true. I don't understand why Sonic Team is hiding who the real writer(s) are.

>>31646 yeah the problem with the meta era games wasnt that they were "written by americans first" its that the script writers they had and still have dont understand sonic characters on both sides. forces was written in japanese first and then localized by pontaff, while the japanese dialogue is better there are still major problems with the story. japan may have better writers sometimes but they still have normies that mostly consumes formulaic CGDCT & shonenslop as well as imported marvel & star wars trash. it doesnt help that sonic fans dont really engage with much fiction outside of sonic and thus have astronomically low standards and cant write good stories

>>31653 You're generally right but it also depends on the game.

>>31283 No she isn't.

>>31283 What if the reason Sonic refuses to date her is because he is a devout Christian and she rejects the word of God?

>>31652 >I don't understand why Sonic Team is hiding who the real writer(s) are. After all the death threats Pontaff received, Sonic Team probably wants to shield the identities of the real writers as much as they can.

>>31888 >Sorry Amy, I can't date you, tarot cards are Satanic. If you haven't noticed I fight demons instead of take "readings" from them. >Amy, I already told you, I'm not going to date anyone outside my own religion, I want my kids to grow up in a Christian household Honestly, this is somewhat believable.

>>31891 Nonsense.

>>31888 It's obviously the opposite. Amy getting repeatedly rejected for over 30 years has caused her to give up on faith. Sonic broke her spirit. Except Amy actually uses Tarot cards in Frontiers, so nevermind. It's just a contradiction. Or maybe we're all misinterpreting the line. Maybe she's surprised because she has faith but she doesn't think other people in her world do, and blames their technological society for it.

>>32004 I interpreted the line like, if aliens showed themselves one day and it turned out they were Catholic. It would be weird and surprising.

>>32005 Maybe Amy is one of the only religious people in her world because gods keep trying to destroy the world so people don't wanna worship them anymore. After Chaos and Dark Gaia, you'd probably get a lot of people that only believe in demons, not gods. God doesn't save them, Sonic does. Sonic should have a cult that worships him. I guess he is supposed to be a major celebrity in his world, and that's kind of the same thing. The fact that Sonic is supposed to be the coolest and most popular figure in the world should be played up more often. And it isn't just because he's cool as hell, it's because he's literally saved the world from evil gods on many occasions.

>>32009 the thing is people worship gods out of fear (thats how abrahamism in particular has maintained its grasp for so long). with sonic there to defeat whatever evil god is on a rampage, they no longer have anything to fear

>>32019 no, people donate to churches, mosques, etc. out of fear

>>32024 Well you'd better, or you're going to hell. Or Chaos will come and drown your city. Whatever.

>>32025 you don't even know what you're talking about in the bible (old testament, so it counts for jews too) it says that an altar to God should only be made of an arrangement of earth and uncut stone, and should not be intentionally raised above the surrounding area institutional religion in general is non-biblical

>>31896 Do you have a better explanation then? I'm all ears.

>>32027 the bible specifically incriminates the mere act of QUESTIONING the divinity of yahweh as "blasphemy of the holy spirit", an unforgivable sin that once you do it you are 100% guaranteed to burn in hell forever with no chance of redemption. abrahamic religion in general defies all logic but people still follow it because if they dont, theyll burn in hell forever. thats why preachers need to devote a shitton of time to "debunking" scientific fact

>>32057 >preachers devote time to debunking scientific fact If you're protestant or reformed, maybe. But the catholics are the opposite The catholic church has historically been a huge patron of thr sciences. I mean even today the vatican operates an observatory. Gregor Mendel was an Augustinian Friar, and Lemaitre was a priest. I could even go into church doctors like bede or aquinas, or even present-day catholic philosophers like ed feser, but we'd be here all day.

>>32038 Either it's exactly as stated in the credits or it's a power struggle between the writers and Sega just wants the name brand because that's what sells to idiots who buy into Flynn's bullshit.

>>32057 Cite chapter and verse.

>>32086 matthew 12:31

>>32038 I think it's the "Ian Flynn" branding as the other anon said.

>>32005 They didn't talk about any specific religion in that scene.

>>31599 Ian is constantly lying.

>>32126 I don’t see how that matters.

>>32134 Doesn't he double down on his writing decisions when criticized though? If this was him, I think he would double down on it too.

>>32134 >Ian F-lyin'

>>32122 >matthew 12:31 >And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is traditionally believed to be unrepentance. Since repentance is a prerequisite for forgiveness, this is rather obvious if you think about it. So: >>32057 >the bible specifically incriminates the mere act of QUESTIONING the divinity of yahweh as "blasphemy of the holy spirit" No, it specifically does not.

>>32005 >if aliens showed themselves one day and it turned out they were Catholic. It would be weird and surprising. Not particularly. "Catholic" means "universal". It would just be indirect evidence that Catholicism is correct. You may regard that as surprising, but if it's correct, it wouldn't be surprising that aliens might know about it. There's been some official statements on the matter of hypothetical aliens. Things get interesting if the aliens didn't fall from grace.

>>32635 >Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is traditionally believed to be unrepentance. This is not the definition of blasphemy that anyone else uses. Go ask anyone on the street and they won't say it means to not be repentant. Trying to say it means a completely different thing is a massive stretch to try to make biblical morality fit your own personal morality, when you should be trying to fit your personal morality into biblical morality.

>>33563 >This is not the definition of blasphemy that anyone else uses. >CCC 1864 "Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin."136 There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit.137 Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss. https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P6C.HTM Blasphemy in general is disrespecting/insulting a deity. In Christianity, the Holy Spirit is the aspect of God which acts as the intermediary between people on Earth and Jesus / the Father, by directing them to repentance, avoidance of sin, the cultivation of virtue, etc. Knowingly rejecting repentance of sin (this is not a sin of ignorance) is therefore an insult to the Holy Spirit, and therefore blasphemy.

>>31887 So fucking based and precious.

>>34810 This is a massive reach trying to do mental gymnastics to justify a blatant contradiction in the lore. And this is the board where everyone accepts that a random background mural in one screen of a Genesis game with no dialogue secretly relates to Shadow's origin in a game that came out seven years later.

>>35024 It's the official doctrine of the largest, oldest denomination of Christianity. And one with a handy online reference explaining their beliefs. You'll see similar in other Christian denominations if you care to look. To bring this back to what prompted this line of discussion: >>32057 >the bible specifically incriminates the mere act of QUESTIONING the divinity of yahweh as "blasphemy of the holy spirit" No, that's neither in the Bible nor believed by Christians as a matter of doctrine. It's unclear where that idea came from.

>>35032 It's definitely believed since most people just use regular definitions of words and not mental gymnastic definitions of words.

>>35024 I don't care about the religion discussion, but the mural isn't needed to make the connection in SA2

>>35036 >It's definitely believed By whom? Where did that come from? Has anyone written it down as a professed belief?

So is Jesus a human or an animal person in this world?

>>35201 Narnia precedent suggests a lion.

>>35036 >most people just use regular definitions of words and not mental gymnastic definitions of words Like blasphemy being something actively insulting to a deity one believes in rather than questioning the divinity of a deity one isn't sure about? Legitimately questioning articles of faith is regarded as normal in Christianity, though people with doubts are expected to be open to doctrinal explanations. See "doubting Thomas" now regarded as a saint.

>>31646 I theorize it was the result of a consultancy firm getting a Sonic Team member to write this.

>>35357 That would make a lot of sense. Someone did point out Frontiers was on the about page of some consultancy firm. I don't understand why any of these companies bother with them, no one in the audience wants this garbage, even the people who defend it wouldn't care if it wasn't there.