>>5572 *Process

>>5573 First Alois Irlmaier flag sighting on the board!!!

>>5574 It was an accident. I had no idea who he was until now.

Le bûmp 😋

>>9113 Well, congratulations! You got yourself caught. Now what's the next step of your master plan?

>allegedly the Soviets sold their psi research to Japan when the iron curtain fell, and some to China, too Can I get a source on this? Or do I have to remote view this claim like the hot shit adept I think I am?

>>9115 No, that's impossible because the FSB won't share information like that, and Japan is controlled by CIA, who also won't. Anon from the screencap knows this because he is CIA, however.

>>9115 Remote viewing would be faster than waiting for an actual reference. >>9117 What gave it away?

>>9119 >What gave it away? He didn't understand the lottery ticket use for extra-sensory viewing, assuming that it was about a drawn lottery like on TV. It was of course a reference to the kind of tickets bought at a street stand, where all the tickets are in a barrel, and you can freely pick which ones you want, which means if you're good at it you can get all the top ones in one go, which renders the lottery useless for the owner. These are common in China, and where I live, where I've used it in a similar manner myself when I was a kid. I stopped doing this when I realized it may actually cause karma, and the ability started worsening, which would be because of this misuse. The scene is also common in Japanese animation, where they instead spin a barrel and it drops a pearl. The magic here is to use a charm or otherwise manipulate the procedure, in some versions they prepped it by taping the winning ticket to the roof of the barrel.

>>275 Of course, you convienently leave out the rest of the conversation. Equating astral travel with imagination will never cease being laughable to those with first-hand experience. You really have no idea what it is you're even talking about if you seriously believe that which makes it easy to filter out these so-called "wizards" who larp as authority figures on all matters occult. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the wikipedia definitions either. At a certain point there is no vagueness, no ambiguity.

>>9149 You're talking to a screencap from 7 years ago. If you have the rest of the discussion, feel free to post it.

>>9150 It's right there: https://fringearchives.neocities.org/archive/thread/2084

>>9359 Oof. That first reply alone is a stark reminder of how much this community has degenerated. That level of effort and quality in a response is straight up lost technology. Alexandra David-Neel has an account of this so called plenary trance in one of her books about her time in India. If I remember correctly, a monk needed to notify someone else or something like that, and he just said "one moment", went pale as a corpse, and woke up moments later. She was admonished not to touch him, either, so it tracks.

>>9407 That is how we made threads back then. Good OP Good first posts then borderline idiotic discussion and arguments with some gems here and there. And it had barely 20 replies. 2018 was already at complete decay. This is not a criticism on my part. This was something I had to accept back then and realize if I don't take part in the (re)development of this culture then it shall vanish into discord/facebookland Sadly most people are either too jaded to interact with this board or think themselves "too above" to do anything. Yet they still return here because the nostalgia magnet drags them back. >>9149 Am I rith my fellow so-called "wizard"?

>>1100 The Magic 101 screencap of the 7 Exercises.

>>12966 >Visualize At that moment all got fucked up bacause they never teach you how to do training on visualization or techniques. Classic.

>>12974 Do people need a step by step guide to know how to visualize things? Whatever have this old tripfag guide because I won't desecrate this thread without posting old stuff at least. But do enlighten me please. How should an aspiring green piller explain to complete retards how to visualize things? For me the fact that some people can't make an apple in their mind or lack internal monologue is more scary than shapeshifting reptoids and blood drinking bankers.

>>12975 What a shit guide tho. Have a better one

>>12975 >For me the fact that some people can't make an apple in their mind or lack internal monologue is more scary than shapeshifting reptoids and blood drinking bankers. After two years of drawing and painting nude models and still lives with a professional artist as teacher, I can with great strain visualize individual characters of text on a white background. Seeing apples? If you tell me to think of a red apple, I see a memory of an actual apple I've seen myself earlier. I can't create one in my head. This hasn't stopped me, because I can always just recall memories of the things, or channel the concepts which the writer referred to. With well developed fantasy worlds like Discworld, I can see the egregore of it, because a lot of people have read the books and added their own energy to it. Visualization isn't needed. If I really really need to create something visually in my head, I now use servitors to create a drawing board which I then look at - again channelling or using spirit vision, I don't see things that don't exist. But hey, it makes it really hard to make me believe in made up things, unless they have a really solid concept behind them.

>>12977 Visualization is for the creative process. You use it to make things that you want to bring into this world or into your life. If your mind can do it on it's own then it speeds up the thinking process. Personally I suck at drawing. Mostly because I never had enough time to practice it. My mind and my hands don't have a "create art" connection. As much as I like many forms of art, I didn't allow myself to go on the artist route. Realized at young age that artists are slaves to the wealthy (if they are successful) or they die starving. Not even the Führer had time to pursue his love for art. He realized he needs to change the world before the world allows him to live as an artist. Personally I can simulate many of my ideas or thoughts like it is reality itself and once I see that my ideas are compatible with this reality then I let them "merge". That was the way I used my visualization in my youth. Currently I can access the "stream of possibilities" and they show me what can and cannot be done. So instead of casting a spell and it "works out somehow" I can see how the energy travels and what roadblocks it might face. Then I can decide if I am patient and allow the energy to find new pathways or I break apart the roadblocks to quicken things up. But breaking the roadblocks usually has some unwanted consequence. That is why I have to watch out to know what I break and for why I do it. I dislike the idea of servitorizing my mind. I learned long ago that most servitors to work perfectly require a vacant spot of your mind that you either don't use or don't have a natural access to utilize it by default. So instead of servitors I allow my mind to expand as much as my enlightenment level allows it. Many entities approach me to explain to me how I can unlock my mind further as I do it. I am not against servitors. I just simply not willing to limit my mind in any ways. Had to delete most of my artifacts, servitors and tulpas for several of my breakthroughs already. They were not fit to work with the next stages my mind was operating on. Have an another unrelated pic to not derail this thread. I really don't know why visualization is hard for people. When I worked with my third eye it became better and better and better with 0 effort. Many of my images are better than reality itself. There was a time I had a problem deciding if I am recalling a memory, a dream or a random thought I had weeks ago. Because the resolutions and detail just increased itself. By changing the energy flows I can even enhance my physical eye sight too. To make a tutorial I would start with the most simple thing like a dot or anything that comes to mind with 0 effort. Then say it to the reader: make that dot into a line or change it's color or I don't know. What is there to explain here? I had to know how to rotate geometry shapes even in elementary school for some math problems. I don't know how some people live their life without having to use their visualization skill. I really want no-flagger to explain the basics of visualization, so I can relate how hard some people have it.

>>12978 >no-flagger Sorry. I meant anti-flagger >>12974 Back in the old fringe era there was no "No Flag" option. Only those used the Anti-Flag flag who either hated the flag system or they didn't have a single flag they liked. Currently the Anti-Flag is a strange way to rebel against the flag system while respecting it the same time. Takes time to accustom myself to it. Like how the word queer was an insult back in the day and now it is a sexuality while the word faggot still counts as an insult. Hope I didn't hurt the Anti-Flagger's feeling by calling him a no flagger. Have some mirror magic

>>12975 >Visualize an apple in their mind I dont see a shit in my eyes doing that but I know during mid-sleep hypnagogia I have a lot of visualization skills. >Internal monologue I have a Tulpa somewhere now, sometimes I talk to it, i dont talk to much to it now and sometimes I talk to that thing so i dont know if it's my inner monologue or my Tulpa or a Imaginary friend anymore.

>>12978 I can see energy though. But for spellcasting that's way too vague and risky to use. I state by words spoken from my mouth what I want to do, walking my mind through every intent like a contract to make sure there are no loopholes, and this creates an "energy record" of my intent. I repeat it over and over again until I can see that the "record" is logically sound with no looholes. Then I draw it on paper by representing that shape, until it's "gone" from my vision, which means it's now on the paper. Then I proceed with whatever process I meant to use, which normally ends with burning the paper for activation after all preparations are finished. No visualization needed. My servitors are all pseudo code AI which I create in similar manner, by speaking until the energy form is solid, then I do something destroy it, which forces it to become indestructible as a response. I have some servitors perform a suicide ritual to activate them. If they can't revive from that, the energy isn't solid enough anyway. So far it never failed. Normally I draw things on the ground and erase it after though. My focus is on solid immaterialism.

>>12980 >but I know during mid-sleep hypnagogia I have a lot of visualization skills. Congrats. You have access to your visualization skills then, but you cannot use it because you don't know how to lower/change your mindwaves consciously. You need to start meditating and look for guides how to access the trance states at will. As you get good at it your mind might unlock itself further and you will be visualize during daytime too. >I talk to that thing I... uh. Some weird feeling appeared around my spine and a female hand with long painted nails appeared then a voice started talking to me <He is a good boy. He is a little misguided but he has potential. He just needs a little push and some guidance and he can be good. We can help him if you are willing to help He or she is trying to tell you to read something... I can't make out what. A book or a post? I don't know. It spins it's head and licks it's lips too. Not sure what it wants at all. Whatever. Meditate and learn to enter trance states at will. We can talk about your tulpa thing later.

>>12983 >a female hand with long painted nails appeared then a voice started talking to me >He or she is trying to tell you to read something... I can't make out what. A book or a post? I don't know. It spins it's head and licks it's lips too. Not sure what it wants at all. Interesting.

>>12975 >That tulpa guide I did something similar to that while writing fantasy and ended up making my tulpa but i do it without knowing about forcing and the tulpa thing. I was not even trying making a tulpa i was just writing fantasy and ended writing about a goddess character. Later in the bed I talk by imagination how the character of the goddess would respond to random thing and that's it. I was kinda sad o deppresed so that Goddess helped me as a cope I believe.

>>12985 >I did something similar to that while writing fantasy and ended up making my tulpa but i do it without knowing about forcing and the tulpa thing. Fantasy is a strange thing. The creative process is not always "creative". Sometimes it is "mirroring". Mirroring an another plane of existence/reality or something that is part of your soul. You say you are unable to visualize or have an internal monologue, yet you were able to write a fantasy and create a tulpa/guide by accident which had the power to guide you through your depression. Which means you can do it, but you are limiting yourself because physical limitations weight down your mind and soul. You need to enter trance states or revisit your own "creative process" aka write your fantasy further if you are too lazy or demoralized to meditate. A word of advice. If your fantasy has a hero or whatever you self insert into. Try to make an arc that will make the hero do a journey to overcome his weaknesses then find a place where he feels safe or home and decides improving his spiritual abilities. Try to create a "place" where you want to improve. Try to create that possibility for your life. Don't care how stupid or cringe the story might become. Just do it and let your mind spin a little. Or sit down and start meditating and get to it like a real wizard would. >>12984 >Interesting There is a reason why I said that people without internal monologue are scary

>He or she is trying to tell you to read something... I can't make out what. A book or a post? I don't know. It spins it's head and licks it's lips too. Not sure what it wants at all. >>12985 Managed to put 2+2 together. She wants you to reread your fantasy, look for clues and develop the story further... Boy I am slow today

>>12983 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5beWOIecS4 >I... uh. Some weird feeling appeared around my spine and a female hand with long painted nails appeared then a voice started talking to me well, no, I sure my tulpa will not look like that. >But that what you wrote is partially something my tulpa would say. i was creating it with an archetypal ideal of a friend or therapeutic being (sopport character in lore). something like a constant positive reinforcement or a good spirit-god guide I guess I had too much idealism and romanticism in my head. I wanted to create human characters, even human and humanized gods with human feelings and sufferings. even with a lot of empathy of human, sound Buddhist to me sometimes. >Form? I didn't give it more of a form than the typical voice although I suppose I ended up being influenced by gnostic, platonist, myths and mother goddess ideas like many fantasy writers. I would more or less say its description in a aesthetic way is >Picrel Normally I would just talk to she looking for positive reinforcement, pretty philosophical, kind of like someone who says good morning as soon as you wake up and has a lot of energy to cheer you up. But I dont have in mind the idea of jew-gnosticism with Barbelo making the thing up as character. Some random anon says to me it's my Anima but i dont know how Jung work I dont believe to much about Jung or Freud Maybe it's just a idealistic femeninity self-positive reinforcement imaginary friend made up as cope mechanism for loliless and sadness. i dont know. Psychology call it Experiential Crossing of authors of fantasy. https://books.google.com.ar/books/about/Embodied_Imaginations.html?id=NrnMEAAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y https://electricliterature.com/readers-report-hearing-characters-voices/ sometime I talk to she but i stopped back in time bacause of a panic attack (or a mystic experience i dont know anymore the difference) Maybe I'm insane, neurotic and alone and that's just it.

>>12986 >There is a reason why I said that people without internal monologue are scary And that reason is? Pls reply in tuplet thread.

>>12983 >He or she is trying to tell you to read something... I can't make out what. A book or a post? I still have my fantasy novel files even though I never finished it. At the time I was writing, I wrote some fantasy laws or advice that let's say that fantasy deity I invented dictated (maybe this helped with the forcing I dont know) I also wrote about the paracosm, places-kingdoms etc, culture, peoples and other things but I ended up focusing on that deity and then that happened. I left the hero's story behind because I don't know how to write anything but paracosm and it was the only thing I liked, I lost interest in the hero's journey. although it is a text that sounds humanizing to me well I had a horrible sadness and emptyness like a depression or something at that moment so no wonder I sought refuge in something that sounded nice and beautiful and wrote it down, something similar happened to me reading about buddha still it's sound cringe as fuck. >Also I don't think some entity or thing in my head wants me to read that again but sometimes I do, even though I don't want to erase or write anything new to the text.

https://archive.is/https://8ch.net/fringe/* Someone should archive this in case it gets taken down. Possibly on fringearchives.neocities.org internally not externally. Also I’m mad that “8ch.net/fringe/“ finally got taken down off archive.org

>>13266 archive.is is a pain to scrap. They actively try to prevent you from archiving them, ironically. I already had such a hard time with freedomboard, and I couldn't get it all. If you manage to scrap it, I can upload it to the neocities archive.

>>13331 Maybe you could just take screenshots of the different threads in archive.is of 8ch.net/fringe/* and then store them somewhere on fringearchives.neocities.org ?