>>12297 >No, Americans never wanted democracy. retard

>>12315 Commit suicide. You know nothing. You are nothing. You’ve proven you can’t hold this conversation. Literally kill yourself. The Founding Fathers universally railed against democracy. They hated it. They explicitly did not make a democratic nation. There is no democracy in any of the US’s laws. The word democracy does not appear in the Declaration, Constitution, or any state constitution. Commit. Suicide.

>>12316 major cope.

>>12316 Any system in which votes are vast to decide political matters is democracy. Representative democracy, where leaders are elected to represent the people, such as in the Democratic republic of the American electoral system, is still a form of democracy. Elections = democracy. Direct democracy is where votes are cast on policy and decision making rather than on rulers. Democracy takes many forms, but the US democracy is indeed a kind of it, with balances against mob rule like the electoral college, but that doesn't change that it's still a type of Democratic system.

>>12317 >no argument Reported. >>12318 >Any system in which votes are vast to decide political matters is democracy. Nope. >Representative democracy >the Democratic republic of the American electoral system Keep repeating buzzwords you don't understand.

>tyranny sucks >every dictatorship falls after the first guy dies >democracy is literally communism as its other people deciding what happens to you and your stuff, including taking it for the "common good". Knowing these things why aren't you guys ancaps? America was basically going for this anyway and every mistake it made was it becoming more of a state.

This is a stupid thread of stupid opinions

>>12307 im not gonna bother looking shit up since i know from cultural osmosis that sex outside of marriage was thoroughly shunned until the 1960s and sodomy was illegal besides; im pretty sure consent back then meant getting amrried, which was done with the blessing of the parents and didnt mean fucking their child brides on the wedding reception tables and on the whole people knew back then that children are not for sexual and even if they had child brides they would wait until they were old enough to bear children before pulling their cocks out as far as nudity goes id put it in the same context as naked roman-greco statues which most people wernt jerking off to in public and even then dapper gentlemanren where a sign of purity since most people wernt busy trying to fuck them since they were too young to enjoy it and at that point you may as well fuck a goat instead which would

>>12321 >why aren't you guys ancaps? America was basically going for this anyway The Founding Fathers were national socialists.

>>12307 What got the ball rolling on the feminist narrative was a picture of a heavily pregnant 10 year old prostitute clothed only in a rag of a shawl on the streets of London. I mean, of course they couldn't just HELP the impoverished children, they just made it illegal to fuck them under any circumstance. God damn talk about a slippery slope. Now we are calling middle aged men who fuck 22 year olds pedos.

>>13030 > im pretty sure consent back then meant getting amrried Or sleeping with a prostitute, which was perfectly common. lol, my great grandmother was a madam in the Deep South. Small town. But that is what sex outside of marriage meant. If a girl had sex outside of marriage she was a whore. Whores don't get married. Whores are looked down on. But they serve a VITAL function in relieving societal stress among men, and ensuring that boys grow up straight. Exposure to devient pornography or grooming by homosexuals will lead to situations like those we find today. Gays and trannies EVERYWHERE.

Would the founding father's endorse the idea of allowing a grown man to do sexual acts with a newly born girl? I seriously doubt that they would. Even without an age of consent, the act of rape would still be illegal and the idea of a baby girl consenting to these things would be ridiculous. So they must have some standard age where the child can not consent, and engaging in any sex act with them is prohibited, even if there was no age of consent.

>>12211 >leaffag >against the ownership of recreational nukes And you wonder why your government uses it's citizens as a door matt.

>>14400 Only fucking africans fuck newborns, quit moving the goalposts. In fact, stop trying to dictate ANYTHING to the US until you get your country back from the tyrants that currently have their boots and hands on your peoples' collective throat.

>>12307 >Nude paintings of CIA agents were also quite common in the 1700's I was told the CIA was created during WW2 and had a different name back then

>>14586 >and had a different name back then You're talking about the OSS. Actually, a lot of the modern government agencies started sometime during the World Wars.

>>14428 I'm not the one defending pedophiles here.

>>12307 >We didn't start raising the age of consent to 16-18 until the 1890's, when first wave feminism became a thing do me a favor and look into who came to America around that same time period

>>14400 >Would the founding father's endorse the idea of allowing a grown man to do sexual acts with a newly born girl? George Washington was a Mason, so, probably.

>>16619 Hellfire club attendees, they were part of orders dedicated to indulging in the most extreme sins and vices that one possibly could. Child rape was one of them, so was torturing the poor kid to death, drinking their horror enriched blood, then butchering, cooking, and eating them after violating the dead body. The goal was on the clubs very name, to rack up as much negative karma as possible before oness death, believing in hell, but intentionally seeking ones own damnation at the greatest extent., the more dammed you are in hell, the higher your rank among the condemned would be, these hellfire clubs sought sought make you into the kings of hell, rather than servants of heaven, to overthrow the devil himself after infiltrating the nobility of the infernal abyss.

>>10097 If the founding fathers were alive today they'd be too busy destroying the ATF. Literally the exact opposite of what the FFs stood for. Unfuckingbelievable

>>12211 >The first amendment, if followed to the letter and spirit, would allow the acquisition, possession, distribution, and modification of Democrat activismography, so long as the people doing these things had not abused children, they'd not be able to be found guilty of a crime. Based, forever no to tought crimes, a thought should never ever be a crime, if you don't think like this you are non human.

>>12211 1st States can still outlaw CP. 2nd their acquisition of CP means they enable the production of CP which harms the child. Do you realize how easy it would be to pass an amendment that prevents individuals and companies from owning recreational nukes? If the constitution was followed in spirit and letter, states would have almost all the power. The largest problem of the constitution was the judicial branch. Life long lawyers that "determine what the constitution says" Take Seperate but equal doctrine, completely legal, but yankees needed to keep black/white infighting in the south. This doesn't mean i even like the constitution The Constitution was the largest betrayal in American history done by yankee bankers and businessmen that still wanted to keep their ties with london bankers who we all know what demographic is represented in such industry. Every single concern, large or small' brought up by Anti-Federalists (who were actually federalists, but businessmen and banks bought the title through the press) against the Constitution happened. Washington was a traitor. John Adams was even worse, immediately shitting on the constitution he pushed. Yankee businessmen and bankers intentionally left holes for them to abuse. They were mad that they couldn't send militia from other states to put down Shay's Rebellion under the Articles of Confederation. And with the Whiskey Rebellion put down by Federally controlled militia, the truth behind that God forsaken document was revealed. A forced "Union" where they can make the poor kill any of those that sought independence and sovereignty.

>>16618 Lots of people are still extremely blue-pilled about feminism.

Interestingly, the founding fathers had become black-pilled about the country to one degree or another during their lifetimes.

>>12211 >the "recreational nukes" meme as a 2nd amendment absolutist, i have to disagree. unless and until true "recreational" sized devices become common, there's no real way to use a nuke in a purely defensive capacity while guaranteeing 100% against the possibility of collateral damage to person or property. at that point, and at that kind of yield (i guess single-digit kiloton), you're further ahead using regular explosives. unless they were more cost effective, i guess. 10kt wouldn't even cure the world of detroit. i suppose if you're a billionaire and your and your other billionaire buddy want to buy islands out in the middle of the ocean, 5000 miles from anything else, and want to lob nukes at each other for fun, that's one way to do it. even then, there's irreparable damage to the environment which can't be undone for decades or centuries, which is a crime to anyone downwind or downstream, and anybody who might wander through the area long after you and your buddy and anybody who ever even heard about you is gone and turned to dust.

>>12307 The fact we can't be grown-ups using grown-up words without censorship and wordfiltration, is proof that it's time to take up arms against the state.

>>12211 The founding fathers had no control over how the constitution would be interpreted in the future. Who places this expectation in one's mind that celebrities and politicians have unironic superpowers?

>>32007 Look at the "Innies" from Severance Governments and corporations have basically created that with real people, created a part of their mind or personality who believes tot he core that they are "too free" and need regulation to be taught strength and purpose

>>12211 "there should be limits to the bill of rights" -a fucking leaf

>>12211 shamefur dispray, stop embarrassing us with blatant lies and cowardice you faggot

>>13083 I don't want to sound like a tradcath LARPer, but feminism won because society became degenerate. You can't even begin to explain the concept of early marriage to someone whose idea of normalcy is casual relationships and unmarried sex.

>>12222 Legal? They should be encouraged

>>12211 >the last true leaf, even as he dies, detests his own freedom or are you brown nu-leaf?

>>12211 >The founding fathers got things wrong, a lot. >The first amendment, if followed to the letter and spirit, would allow the acquisition, possession, distribution, and modification of Democrat activismography The age of consent had remained the same for centuries, feminism didn't exist yet. >Second amendment, would allow for the domestic ownership of items that are hazardous to the generally population, the "recreational nukes" meme being a good example. Such weapons didn't exist yet, and it's debatable whether it's in humanity's best interest for the average person to not have such things when the majority of the world population is a drain on the minority.

>>10097 >founding fathers oops