>>19060 Graduates are lied to. They are bullshitted to. buffed up, made to feel that as soon as they get that piece of paper with their name on it, the streets will be paved with gold, they will be snapped up and start at a big corp with a salary so high it will insta-payoff their student debt. Most of the grads, IT grads included, were soon on welfare after graduation or flipping burgers for minimum wage stuck in a part time job they got while studying. With these layoffs, if I could just tell them to get the hell out of this big myth they are fed at university about how things will take off for them once graduated and tell them to head to a pro-Tech country that pays big and don't look back once employed, i wish I could get that through to them.Go somewhere like Singapore or Taiwan, somewhere tech savvy and pays well and won't lay you off over a cheap buck-saving. I just wish I could emphasize that enough so it gets through to them in time. Of course, the universities will be the only ones brainwashing these fresh meat to the grinder undergrads with their liberal programming and that's all they will live with until they are shoveled into the ovens like all the rest of the US cannon fodder by their own employers, the only thing they did wrong was trust those in charge. That's usually found out the hard way and that's what's happened with these recent layoffs, while the bosses get the cheaper outsourced labor in without a shred of conscience or care.

>>19062 >Graduates are lied to. When I was in school for a business degree, some HR lady came into our class to shill LinkedIn. She told us it would be literally impossible to get any job without a LinkedIn account. I have never had a LinkedIn account and have worked for ~10 companies. This lady also told us to wear a suit to every job interview no matter what. I brought this up to my manager when I worked in a tire shop. He told me he would never hire a mechanic who wore a suit to the interview, because he assumed they would be too prissy to get their hands dirty. He also looked down on people with college degrees for the same reason. Moral of the story is don't listen to HR roasties' advice about getting blue collar jobs.

>>19062 Yeah worked with one post doc who even had privs for being a black lady from uh either some island or maybe even Africa. So after she leap frogged off the nice university name and having worked with some known names in the field, she got a position in google research. Before she left, she was telling us how insane it was that after making a quarter million starting sallary in san fran she was going to have to shack up in a communal closet because everything is so ridiculously expensive there. I mean I can't deny that's some fuckin success compared to where she came from, and not necessarily with the best brains in the basket, but I can't imagine wanting that lifestyle. Give me my pleasant little apartment with a back yard and a garden and a driveway in a quiet neighborhood where I variously leave my door unlocked or open, and where I can walk through the woods for half my commute to work, showing up and leaving more or less whenever I want within reason. But I guess the joy of freedom is also the freedom to pick your own personal priorities. >>19064 I hate HR so much. One of my favorite life accomplishments was getting two people fired from HR for being incompetent and counterproductive power mongers. What a great feeling.

>>19065 *three quarters of a million starting salary I mean holy shitballs. Not that I want anything to do with living around silcicon valley or working for google reasearch anyway, but holy shitballs. And live in a communal shed?

>>18973 >I go into computer shops, they sell desktop PC's and are forced to sell them with M$ Windows installed because of licensing What are you talking about? Big OEMs like HP and Dell negotiate contracts with Microsoft. Boutique PC shops are not legally required to pursue such contracts. There is no industry safety regulation that says you lose your PC building license when you preinstall Linux

>>19078 Every shop i go to has MS Windows installed on most of their PCs for sale. The only other alternatives mainstream are Apple Macs or Google Chromebooks but the Windows laptops and desktops dominate the shop. It's obvious who won the licensing war.

>>19086 I can't speak for them all, but at least at the enterprise level you can often order them without a windows license since a lot of times they wind up with linux, either free or via a site license. Desktops at the enterprise level often get some kind of site bulk discount after negotiating a standard configuration or two, so that depends on who's doing the negotiating as to whether or not you get stuck paying for software licenses. I'd rather just whitebox most of the time anyway, although that's not always practical at scale, especially with all the stupid hoops you have to jump through on a lot of contracts, especially government ones. Laptops they pretty much have you by the nuts unless you really want to go out of your way. That sucks, but the US doesn't have the best track record in the world with antitrust even though it tried. Exxon-Mobile is a majority of what Standard Oil used to be, and now in the age of transnational conglomerates and cartels, nobody even bothers to try figuring out how much of Ma Bell is operating basically in lockstep, or if Stelanis might be a bigger too big to fail than the "big three" US automakers used to be. Oh well. I also didn't ask for this shitty touchpad instead of the superior nipple mouse, so you can't really expect to have it all if most things are aimed somwehere toward the mass market.

>>19086 >Every shop i go to has MS Windows installed on most of their PCs for sale. I understand that. My disagreement was with: >>18973 >they sell desktop PC's and are forced to sell them with M$ Windows installed because of licensing. There is no law preventing these PC shops from selling PCs with Linux/BSD/MacOS/Nothing installed. They choose to sell out to MS, because there is a monetary incentive. There is no "force" involved. Microsoft doesn't send thugs to break the store owner's kneecaps if he doesn't shill Windows. No cops will arrest the store owner for selling Linux PCs.

>>19088 >They choose to sell out to MS, because there is a monetary incentive. I want to expand on this to make it a bit more accurate. There are probably many PC store owners/managers who are ignorant about alternative operating systems. Then there are other owners/managers who are aware of the alternatives, but stick with Windows for convenience. It's not worth the time and effort to train their staff, and additionally to sell the value of non-Windows to their customers.

>>19088 Sure, but unless they're trying to carve out more of a whitebox or specialty niche, the average consumer is going to want windows or apple or some off-the-shelf ecosystem. I agree it sucks fo those of us who would rather not, but from the retailer's pserspective, is there really enough volume of non-licensed buyers to justify the overhead of a non-licensed line? That's why I suspect it remains more for the niche retailer. Especially if you're buying big name like HP or Dell, are you really going to walk because you can't buy it license-free? How many customers do they really lose that way? By comparison, last time I was in walmart (I needed a laptop ASAP on the road after breaking my old one fite me) what I noticed in the phone section was a lot of advertisement and placement for cracked or unlocked phones. What that tells me is that there's enough of a market out there for people who want and use such devices to dedicate floor space and product lines to it. Apparently not so much with people who don't want windows or whatever.. I don't know if I could argue that it's really anti-competitive to do that vs. tacking on promotional options. Do I need or want a laptop with THX sound (especially when THX stands for "this sucks"?) Well if I need it ASAP I'm limited to whatever they have in stock, rather than ordering exactly what I want and waiting for it to show up at uh, the truck stop on state road 230 eastbound in Fuckerville.

>>19088 I understood what you said, but there's very little boutique shops, if any at all, that have specialized computers with alternative operating systems installed after the lockdowns. Most of them shut down after going bust. All that's left are the big corporate stores only and their computers for sale have always been, and from the looks of it always will be, licensed Microsoft Windows on the desktops and laptops. And that feels forced on me, let alone any "optional" "between friends" contract that Microsoft has with hardware retailers. How does that affect the future? I don't actually know. Has even Microsoft reached a retail impasse with these layoffs? Hrmmmm.

>>19091 >>19093 >I understood what you said Apparently not, because you keep arguing for things that I already agreed to. My only issue with >>18973 was the misuse of the word forced. If a whore agrees to have sex for money, then it isn't rape.

>>19094 If the only alternative operating systems aren't feasible or realistically aren't going to replace Windows due to lack of popularity then of course Microsoft Windows is forced on the PC retailers and the masses. Sure go for the personal insults saying I don't understand, please do, it shows how weak your argument is. Please keep playing on the one little thing instead of moving on,which I am doing. You got your Don bosses in Redmond to keep happy.

Eventually, MS will fuck up bad enough, like forcing an M365 subscription just to use Windows. I suspect that has been the real push to force Win 10 users on Win 11 upgrades. They need a certain percentage buy-in before flicking the switch, and too many users refused to upgrade.

What does wokeness have to do with Microsoft's business performance? I don't get it. Isn't that just the competency crisis effecting basically the whole world and all advanced industries?

The last good product made by Microsoft was XP, in 2001.

>>29429 The incompetancy crisis at Microsoft, as far as I know is caused by Pajeets hiring each other at every position, regardless of skill. They do try to get incompetant fags and holes as well. https://www.microsoft(Please use archive.today)/en-us/diversity/default

>>29874 The quality of product went from trash to dumpster fire to dumpster floating down a shit river from MS-DOS-Win95-Win11. Jeets cannot innovate, so they copied what was already there and added to it. I can't and won't even begin to imagine the spaghetti code repo they maintain.

>thread from 2023 Are you fuckers retarded?

>>29889 I haven't been posting in this thread and just saw it while browsing the Index, but I would assume that most Anons don't read the date of posts and assume that everything is recent like on other boards. I just checked the last page and there are threads still alive from 2020. Hard to believe that this place was so inactive that nothing got bumped off the board for years.

Microsoft is laying off the Americans and shipping everything off to India. Google is building megaoffices for 10000s of jeets in Hyderabad unironically. FAANG won't be around in a decade, terminal JEET status. USA about to lose the only economic engine it has left. Google, Meta, Microsoft. All of them are in the same league and Cognizant or Infosys.

this is capitalist utopia

>>18973 are there stores that sell 'blank' pcs we can flash linux or windows onto at home

thanks Tariff Trump

>>39322 come on he's making america great again

The tech bubble is over and while they’re trying to start an AI craze the big money seems shy and not willing to go all-in. Over a decade of tech bubbles bookended by the COVID money seems to attracted a FLOOD from the 3rd world dreaming of a white collar 1st world lifestyle so now that the free money is gone all the job demand went with it — leaving tech FLOODED OUT by 3rd-worlders. I’m too old to completely change careers so….I don’t know. End up on the phones? Work at a grocery store?

>>39351 lots of indians working in call centres there's a lot of people gobbling up the AI nonsense. Advertising has pulled the wool over everyone's eyes this world is ruled by big tech and big data

>>39355 >this world is ruled by big tech and big data False. People rebelled and big tech is dying.

>>39576 what r u talking abt

>>39576 Nobody "rebelled", the elite just realized that they have to trick conservatives into thinking they're winning so they go along with the corporate feudalism plans. Palantir owns this shithole country now since their employee and Peter Thiel's catamite Vance is the real power in the "White" House. And Musk is out there quietly moving Neuralink closer to deployment. You better believe MIGA is gonna line up to get the chips in their brain.

>>18972 They will just replace them with jeets that cost pennies on the dollar.

>>18973 People going to a store to buy a prebuilt aren't smart enough to install an OS whether it's wangblows or whatever meme flavour GNU/linux. Even then you just uninstall wangblows and put your distro on it so even linux users too lazy to build their own won't care too much. Stores pandering to the consumer base isn't a conspiracy.

#NoRefunds https://archive.today/https://(Webm or) USE https://archive.today/https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=ExlLHSGHMCw

>>18972 >Microsoft lays off over 10,000 people actually it is 30 000 people.

>>18973 AOSP is open source. Android isn't

>>41193 >webp image hosted >was .jpg when uploaded META: Are you high, admin? Why the hell are you serving webp images? Are you part of the sillycon valley web 2.0 cancer?