Libertarianism is one of the most unpopular, contrarian opinions one can hold. 99.9% of people are statists by default, and unfortunately this is unlikely to change soon without some catalyzing symbolic events taking place.

...until libertarians acknowledge that unconstrained corporate power over people is no better, and no different, than government power over people. These self proclaimed "libertarian" parties are just plants to keep people stuck in the 2 party (aka 1 party) system.

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Until Humanity can reconcile the metaphysical components of mankind crucial to the function of a state and its populace, we're all going to bicker over whose shit is the shiniest. We gave up on the Shaman and ostracized him to some asylum and then when the asylums closed, he became some hobo no one cares about living under the nearest bridge. Now no one has any meaningful direction and can't figure out how to form an efficient ruling faculty to ensure society doesn't fall apart. It's clearly the fault of new "Oligarchs" who are in reality just bitter posers. The present fallout is Mankind coming to the uncomfortable realization that our present Governmental systems are not working. Why aren't they working? Because we all have to endure the reconciliation of most of us finding out that "Democracy" was just a smoke and mirror hall of bribes/blackmail, largely supported by a network of global pedophilia-blackmail, drug/weapon/people smuggling and influence peddling. So here we sit, hunting for the "next best system", which racecucks think is Lolbertarianism and easily-influenced useful idiots think is muh Purity Spiral™ because they can't just fucking read Jung, understand what an Egregore is or why Hitler was duped, let alone realize that the stormfags are clearly all glow-sponsored. Let's break this down: Back before people developed a necessary level of cognizance, the local Shaman or Oracle guided most people, giving them some sort of divine instruction (who to war with, who to marry, who to behead, etc.). The role was later passed onto Nobility under the Divine Right (to rule), putting the Nobility's ancestors in charge. These people, endowed with the Ancestral Egregore (see Jung) to discharge Divine Right granted to them by their genetic link to past syzygies of said Divine-Noble-Ancestor, were later murdered. Since they were replaced, a new Experiment was exerted, a "New World Order" under which the Monarchy was abandoned and a rekindling or a re-decentralization of the previous Consciousness that led us through the Shaman-Oracle cycle is being conducted. The USA attempted to establish a "New Order" comprised of men who were intelligent and driven enough to Self-Govern. The trouble is people with a disparity in Intelligence/Consciousness cannot Self-Govern and this is what they missed in the Noble Lie coming to fruition a la The Vatican and its parade of poser-niggers pretending to be "Royalty". In other words, the Founding Fathers had a great idea, but didn't realize other people, lacking a parallel level of Consciousness, couldn't equally Self-Govern and, consequently, would inevitably succumb to the age old "Democratic" spiral of hubris and avarice. What's the solution? I have no fucking idea. It's probably raising the floor of consciousness via muh Transhumanism (people under certain IQ ranges get modified with technology so they don't just starve if we do a Disclosure and erase most of their jobs overnight), expanding leisure time to undermine the Industrial Revolution (again via Disclosure) through expanded Energy Throughput or we could bring The Mysteries back and let the normalfags get freaky with the Divine again by just drinking the potion. The trouble is the faggots fancying themselves in charge can't pull the trigger, are too inept to figure out how to implement any such plans or are genuinely that unstable and just cannot fathom a world where they don't have armies of child harmes to send out en masse to blackmail all their potential rivals, everyone hooked up to auto-milking machines connected directly to their bank accounts and a blood-inked promise by all Citizens™ to always be loyal servants.

>>36152 Is "due process" the groupthink buzzword phrase this week? I imagine comprehending american law must be a chore for foreigners given that they only get this quick little bursts of broken record phrases to misinterpret. Do they do the same thing in your country? >>35883 They treat it like atheism. They don't actually have a belief or even know what they stand for, but are too intimidated to argue with others over such a lack of belief. Backing shit up to a libertarian means authority, to them believing in nothing is more progressive than actually believing in something and backing it up. It's sadly contradictory, you cannot have a "group" or a "party" whose foundation is "to not have a group or party/authority".

lolbertarianism is just a redditor's anarchism. Of course it's going to be co-opted by more profitable mind viruses.

>>36178 based and consiousness-pilled

>>36212 Libertarianism was conservative but became more of a classical liberal in the last decade or so. Since covid, many moderate liberals saw what was happening and decide to bring all their social justice nonsense into the movement. Libertarians have always been a kinda joke, but the amount of flip flopping on issues and party disagreement about policy cements it's role at the bottom of the bin.

It's no surprise that the new wave of low IQ retards are gravitating towards MAGA seeing as MAGA has completely co-opted the Conservative Party. But that's what so-called Libertarians get for voting in the most vocally anti-Libertarian president for a 2nd round.

>>20553 >is nothing more than a psy-op designed to cause more trouble worse, its meant to help the nosetribe, its why NS is untrustworthy, too much state control

>>36270 conservatism is what made easily co-opted by neocons to begin with, any libertarian that fell for the meme back in 2015 failed to understand what libertarianism was to begin with

>>36074 Corpos get their monopoly power thanks to the state. Corporations become less efficient as they grow to larger sizes. Without government to make laws that squash competition, large corporations would be outcompeted by many small family owned businesses. Also, the invention of the limited liability company was one of the greatest tragedies ever. If you sit on a company's board and you vote to dump chemicals in a river. You should be able to be held personally liable, not just your fancy legal entity.

>>36208 Due process is a big deal because it applies to everyone, even illegals. People are upset because Trump could have just mass-deported illegals to their home country with no problems. Instead he is shipping off people who are legally staying in America to a foreign megaprison in El Salvador, without giving them a chance to prove their innocence in court. It's only a matter of time before American citizens get vanned because they posted something bad about Israel.

>>36208 Real libertarians do have beliefs, it's just that the movement attracts the low IQ "I wanna smoke weed and shoot guns" crowd. Real Libertarianism is simply what happens when someone's moral principles are taken to their logical conclusion and one can no longer support coercion from the state. If stealing and killing is wrong, why can some "special" people with funny uniforms do it for the "common good"? That's the mindset that leads to anti-communitarianism and anti-statism.

>>36452 >>36461 >>36472 Disregard everything I wrote. This is a 1pbtid time wasting thread.

>>36208 the process that is due is entirely dependent on the country. the united states has due process about detaining people written into the constitution and different laws. limitations of government etc. yea? why did i even respond to your post

many countries don't understand people having inalienable rights defined in a constitution because they've never had that. the fact that america is losing them and conservatives are ironically celebrating it means nothing to them

>>36452 A megacorporation could very well exist without a state. They become the state. A congregation of people monopolizing force to keep all others under their thumb, all eventually becoming so systemic it functions like a well-oiled machine in infinite expansion and replication, a living legion regulated by the pure buying and selling of abstract data, is a definite possibility with or without states. Leveraging individual or small-scale optimization only gets you so far against such behemoth, unless your aim is explicitly destruction and a forceful return to individual rule. Which it should be. This is why lolbertarianism is the reddit of beliefs: it's uncommitted, it's egocentric, and it's subservient. It's the same fucking thing as the status quo, with enough of a hipster thing to make it look like individual thought.

>>36292 Now what is this about. Trump has seemed the most liber(al/tarian) since at least the 80s. Why I supported in 2016 and do today, as garbage as the tariffpalooza may be.

>>21204 Good effortpost and I agree with most of it, but I feel the need to nitpick >Because America wasn't about "race" Yes, it was. The original premise of naturalization was that only white people of good character could be naturalized. Even cuckpedia doesn't dispute this interpretation, https://en.m.wikipedia(Please use archive.today)/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790 >The Naturalization Act of 1790 (1 Stat. 103, enacted March 26, 1790) was a law of the United States Congress that set the first uniform rules for the granting of United States citizenship by naturalization. The law limited naturalization to "free white person(s) ... of good character". This eliminated ambiguity on how to treat newcomers, given that free black people had been allowed citizenship at the state level in many states. In reading the Naturalization Act, the courts also associated whiteness with Christianity and thus excluded Muslim immigrants from citizenship until the decision Ex Parte Mohriez recognized citizenship for a Saudi Muslim man in 1944. The only argument people ever make about that shit is when they start going "um er uh well what does white REALLY mean goy," when it self evidently refers to anyone who looks to be and self identifies as white. Don't fall into this nonsense trap of America being founded purely by ideals and had no racial basis. That Jewish garbage was penned generations later, famously by that yid who made the poem that was later put on the Statue of Liberty. Again, even yidpedia doesn't dispute this. https://en.m.wikipedia(Please use archive.today)/wiki/Emma_Lazarus >Emma Lazarus (July 22, 1849 – November 19, 1887) was an American author of poetry, prose, and translations, as well as an activist for Jewish and Georgist causes. She is remembered for writing the sonnet "The New Colossus", which was inspired by the Statue of Liberty, in 1883.[1] Its lines appear inscribed on a bronze plaque, installed in 1903,[2] on the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty. >Emma Lazarus was born in New York City, July 22, 1849,[6] into a large Jewish family. Literally every example you can find of America being portrayed as this lolbert paradise where race doesn't matter and immigration is always welcome comes Jews who had every interest in poisoning the well, because they are only ever comfortable if they have other immigrant groups to hide behind and manipulate, so as to draw less attention to themselves.

>>36742 >seemed You haven't been paying attention to the guy who keeps likening himself to a dictator, a king, etc. and wants to impose a ton of extra taxes on you in the form of tariffs and tax cuts for the rich. And ignoring the actual Libertarians.

>>21204 Nice effortpost, but like >>36854 I feel I have to nitpick as well. >With the West buying the results of those experiments from Japan in exchange for them never having to face their own equivalent of the Nuremberg trials Japan did have its own trials, not in Nuremberg though. However, same cangaroo court system and same results. >The IMTFE was modeled after the International Military Tribunal (IMT) at Nuremberg, Germany, which prosecuted the leaders of Nazi Germany for their war crimes, crimes against peace, and crimes against humanity.[2] >https://en.wikipedia(Please use archive.today)/wiki/International_Military_Tribunal_for_the_Far_East Japanese birthrate fell after women's rights were written into it's new constitution after WWII by a jewish feminist. It did get a new constitution btw, decreed by the US. Again, even wikipedia openly admits this. The life expectancy (for a 1-year-old-child) in Prussia's 1880s was 55 btw, not 45. In those days life expectancy is also down because of child mortality, it doesn't reflect actual expected death age of adults. >https://de.statista(Please use archive.today)/statistik/daten/studie/1127745/umfrage/lebenserwartung-von-neugeborenen/ For 1901 I found the life expectancy numbers of ~45years of life expectancy for a new born, and ~43years remaining for 20yo adults (aka 63years life expectancy), signalling the still high child mortality. Also, that was about the time child mortality started to go down due to hygiene, sewers, sanitation and fresh water in the cities, and life expectancy rose then, not after the experiment s of some Japanese Unit. Also, the original Social Security by Bismarck put the money towards a fund from which it would be redrawn later. So people actually saved up for their retirement that way, leading to very meager payouts btw. That was changed to a Ponzi Scheme once the US/USSR had taken over of course. Having said all this, I agree with your main point. Social Security as we have it today is a Ponzi Scheme.

>>36452 True. Corpos wouldn't get this powerful if townspeople could get some torches and pitchforks and just go merc some board members and execs and the police either don't exist, or look the other way. But unfortunately everyone wants to have a say about who you be killin' & fer what, and those people employ the police. Anarchism, whether left or right, is a fairytale.

>>36682 thats exactly what would happen according to Adam Smith with capitalism. In fact that was the idea, free market was never the goal like some ancaps or other libertarians like to claim but to basically enable the power of a conglomerate or monopoly to take over the government so they could regulate it once they take over. I don't think I could trust those either

>>36509 It's so incredibly sad. America was one of the only nations where normal people swore loyalty to their constitution and celebrated their rights. Now the constitution is hardly worth the paper it's written on. If no one believes in it, it might as well never have existed.

>>20543 (OP) i was a lolbert till i realized it just means it'll be the mega-corporations instead of the state replacing me with indians t. (Hello, I just arrived from Discord, please bully me)

>>37096 >t. (Hello, I just arrived from Discord, please bully me) it's over

>>26716 >No step on snek!

>>37096 >conflating the average politically illiterate in the modern right with colonial era policies I'll ignore the israel flag for now but that anon is talking out of his ass, there was a huge difference between the agrarian societies which had more freedom, had more to do with local rules and less control under monarchy than anything past mid 1700s. Monarchs knew this because they could otherwise get a peasant revolt or worse, the sabotage of their own population in favor of a new ruler. The need for excessive control over society came with major shifts on demographics from rural to urban areas. Worst of all, it was made clear that the governments were trying to concentrate as many people in those areas because they worked in conjunction with factories and needed exactly that to make more money, that also led to the awful ideas of women's suffrage and making the working conditions insanely bad, which also reinforced movements like marxism

>>20543 (OP) I've always been libertarian but there needs to be a serious limit on voting, especially for women, non-net taxpayers, and nonwhites

Democracy is the most stable form of government. It is the greatest technology ever invented for keeping the same oligarchy in power for as long as possible. Libertarians believe negative freedom, or freedom from interference, is the kind of freedom that matters. People who believe in representative government like classical republicans, communists (workers' councils), fascists (organic state, trade unionism), and national socialists (racial state, organic state), believe that to be free is to have no master. If everyone is equal under the law, and everyone is equal over the law through electing representatives who vote on new laws, then everyone is free because no one has a master. In fascism and national socialism, the idea is that the ultimate leader is a pure expression of the will of the people. That's the idea that keeps people from revolting. Additionally, the idea of positive freedom, or the right to receive those resources necessary to use your freedom, opens the door to wealth redistribution by the state. John Rawls "original position" thought experiment convinces people that the welfare state is the only just way to organise a society, and Keynesian economics keep every individual in a state of debt-slavery.

>>37271 kek saved

>>29781 >big beefy black man and your cost-effective innovative en ay pee society would just have to use its sharp minds and great technology to send jamal and all his associates back to the Stone Age, right? That's why you advocate for private armies and a free society that will cultivate sharper engineers and thinkers, right? To curbstomp all the commies and junglefucks? Don't be a faggot, you believe in might equaling right, too.

Lolberts are retarded and deserve to be raped by their jeiwsh masters.

I have a theory on the disappearance of Libertarianism in the popular online discourse. We are (the whole world apparently) suffering from a competency crisis, and it’s seems to be because of dropping IQs. Libertarianism is an ideology that requires a triple-digit IQ to understand, and that may no longer be the level of the later generation of young men. Leftism is the prevailing power axis in society and has mostly pushed conservatism out, and with it the more advanced ideologies like libertarianism was mostly killed off. Also notice that even though leftism has taken over, the advanced strains of it like analytical materialism are also nowhere to be soon. Basically the whole world is getting stupider and the left-right decide has devolved into woke vs anti-woke in large part. All the discussions and movements about Libertarianism appears to be gone.