>>24725 dedovschina

>>24777 I dont think puskin, tolstoy and dostoyesky to be ethnically western europeans. Also, trying to claim all noteworthy slavs is a bit disingenous I think. Tartars are clearly not western europeans if that's your argument.

>>25248 >I dont think puskin, tolstoy and dostoyesky to be ethnically western europeans. Of course not. That said, they are certainly more European than the average Russian by virtue of belonging to the nobility as opposed to staying in the same village for 400 years because they were slaves. >Also, trying to claim all noteworthy slavs is a bit disingenous I think. I never claimed that. My point was that many, many noteworthy "Russians" had ancestry from places that were only "Russian" by virtue of annexation as opposed to being part of the heart of the empire; Mikoyan and Gurevich (of MiG fame) were Armenian and Jewish, respectively; Sukhoi was from Belarus, which was formerly part of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth before being annexed; Lysenko was Ukrainian, etc. My point was that if you're really examining the achievements of the Russian people as opposed to citizens of Russia then you need to look into ethnic backgrounds. >Tartars are clearly not western europeans if that's your argument. God no, of course not.

>>25663 They belong to the same nation, which is what matters. Otherwise european archievements couldn't count because there's clearly more ethnicities than nation labels. My point was that it could be argued that they're barbarians, or their army is clumsy. But still, I do feel that trying to devaluate the russian empire as inferior is what caused hitler and napoleon to lose their wars. Tsun Tzu said that you should never underestimate your enemy. Which I think a lot of westerners tend to do. The love to understimate BRICS.

>>24725 Have you learnt LGBT history in russia? https://en.wikipedia(Please use archive.today)/wiki/LGBTQ_history_in_Russia >The Austrian royal councilor Sigismund von Herberstein described in his report Rerum Moscoviticarum Commentarii (Notes on Muscovite Affairs) his observations during his travels in Moscow in 1517 and 1526. He stated that homosexuality was present among all social classes.[7][8] The English poet George Turberville who visited Moscow in 1568 when Ivan IV ruled Russia during a bloody phase, was not shocked by the carnage, but about the open homosexuality of the Russian peasants.[9] Adam Olearius also reported that homosexuality among men existed on all levels of society and was not treated as a crime.[10] There are also reports of homosexual relationships between women.[11][12] Testimony of contemporaries in this regard is probably exaggerated, since any tolerant attitude towards homosexuals was equated to sodomy. In 1551, at the Stoglaviy sobor [ru] ("hundred-domed Cathedral"), a real ecclesiastical, but not criminal, punishment for a homosexual act was introduced - excommunication, but the spread of this punishment is doubtful, since the homosexual act was "nothing more than a joke" at the tsar's court and among the people.[13] Ivan the Terrible was accused of being homosexual in an attempt to discredit him. Despite this, there have been outbreaks of homophobia, for example when Tsar False Dmitry I was overthrown, his broken body was dragged through the streets by his genitals alongside his supposed male lover.[14]

>>25746 >They belong to the same nation, which is what matters. Lmao what? Every single fucking SSR tried to resist soviet annexation by force of arms, from the Poles to the Estonians to the Kazakhs. >Otherwise european archievements couldn't count because there's clearly more ethnicities than nation labels. People separate out European ethnic groups all the time. The difference is that a German from Pomerania and a German from Bavaria are much more closely related, genetically and culturally, than a Georgian Russian and a Finnish Russian; grouping the first two under the wider umbrella of "German" for the purpose of evaluating the German people is much more appropriate than grouping the latter two under the umbrella of "Russian" for the purpose of evaluating the Russian people. >My point was that it could be argued that they're barbarians, or their army is clumsy. Their army is much worse than that. >But still, I do feel that trying to devaluate the russian empire as inferior is what caused hitler and napoleon to lose their wars. Napoleon certainly went full retard but the only thing that stopped Hitler from folding up Russia in 1942, and which allowed Russia to go on the offensive at all, was lend-lease and no less a person than Stalin himself admitted this. >Tsun Tzu said that you should never underestimate your enemy. >Which I think a lot of westerners tend to do. If anything the problem has been over-estimation of Russian competence, as seen in the Ukraine debacle. >The love to understimate BRICS. And exactly what evidence is there that BRICS - as a bloc, not the individual nations within - has been even remotely underestimated?

>>25783 The evidence is the historical tendency of europeans to underestimate non europeans as unable to learn.

>>25783 >Lmao what? Every single fucking SSR tried to resist soviet annexation by force of arms, from the Poles to the Estonians to the Kazakhs. damn. you uneducated faggot.

>Why is russian history never taught on the west? well let's see anon >go back 10 years war >go back 100 years human atrocities >go back 200 years war

>>26024 So basically like every fucking empire on the last 8k years?

Russia should be Balkanized to stop its expanionist bullshit

>>26079 Are you willing to lose 20 million white males? >BUT WE NUKE THEM Russia has more nukes than USA.

>>26093 Russian nukes probably don't work.

>>26099 Same as american nukes, pretty sure most american stuff is overpriced shit using 8 bit cpus from 1980. My point still stands, russia is simply too big for americans to cause any damage if they bomb some place. It's not like russians could have secret nuclear bunkers underground.

hick

>>24725 >Why Because it is not relevant for "The West", the only thing that matters is the Russian Revolution, the fuck do you know about Austria, the HRE or Netherlands?.

>>24829 lel

>>24725 I respect Russia about as much as France They are a huge, strong nation that's had a lot of influence in European wars. Very brave in WW2 It does seem that they often use meat-wave tactics in war though

>>24763 >Africa has millions songs, books Most African tribes couldn't write and read before bongs and other Europeans colonized them. Stop being delusional and believing in Wakanda. The supposedly richest man in history who is said to be a Mali king has this claim only because of the tales of him gaving out huge donations while traveling to Mecca. Nobody then mentions the Mali empire crumbled after his passing for which most blame the king for spending all the royal wealth. This is also hard to prove since that kingdom didn't record it's history lmao.

>>26704 Holly shit, i think i can read polish, correct me if i'm wrong: "history of russia in 5 words: and after that i was even prouder"

>>26731 "and then it was even worse"

>>26511 >It does seem that they often use meat-wave tactics in war though Give me one piece of evidence, this meat tactis stuff is >>26511 >It does seem that they often use meat-wave tactics in war though Literally haven't seen any in the entire conflict, both sides btw There are battles with huge losses but neither side uses "meat waves", that's just some journalist tabloid shit

>>24725 They would need to do something that deserves respect first

>>24814 Man, the fucking audacity to say Europeans are uninformed people as a Russian and then instantly follow that up with a blatant lie. Maybe people wouldn't hate Russians if they weren't like this.

Euros and Asians are always so eager to act like Americans somehow owe them recognition and a general level of maintained knowledge about their countries and histories and I can't for the life of me figure why. Literally nobody cares outside of you and your immediate neighbors. Can you tell me, without looking it up, what the battle of the Alamo was fought over? Can you tell me which native American tribes lived in which territories, if they were friendly or hostile to the Europeans, and what their relations were with eachother? How many attempts were made to find an inland ocean route through the Great Lakes to connect the Atlantic and Pacific oceans? Draw me a map of Lewis and Clarke's route on their expedition to the Western coast. What? You can't? Good. You have no reason to give a fuck. Just like I don't care about St. Petersburg. Why is this so hard?

>>26937 I fucking hate Polish people, so butt hurt at Russian every-time. Yes bad shit happened, now grow up and be a little nicer to your neighbors in the future or we might joining the Russian and Germans and finish the job.

>>24814 >Russian Ambassador to Germany Sergei Nechayev heh

Rus and how Russia came to be is quite complicated but Russia itself is somewhat simple it was pretty oppressive and therefore people had to fend for themselves under the demanding king. That was slightly deviated from when foreign ideology was imported particularly under Peter and Catherine which modernized but just allowed for more corruption. In a way the soviets were just continuation of that after 19th century and abject failure to “economize” which was in large part attempted around the turn of the 20th made Russians finally mad enough to really dip into foreign ideology spurred on by the state of the art mass movement which was nationalism turned into secular egalitarianism of the highest caliber by the Talmudic jews bolstered in their numbers from the annexed west as a revenge for the one good thing the czar’s oppressive society which at least could decree coherently on the Jewish question. But anyway soviets were objectively good for a lot of ignorant people cheapening life further, which was the majority as whatever aristocracy was killed off including beginning of enterprises which arguably kulaks could have spurred on if they were given more time to take on a stake and responsibilities in a liberalizing climate. Nonetheless even the natural born elite was simply stamped out with industrialized alcoholism which became the true ideology that was employed to hold the soviets together while trying to figure out their money problems out which spoilers nobody knew what anything was worth except in bottles of vodka. Then came the McDonaldization of communist Russia which truthfully is still going on today except where in normal countries you have competitor and stake holder tension they have de facto authority vs de jure authority endlessly feuding how to do less good work and do better spoilers the soviets never died off.

>>24725 I remember Cucker Carlson asked something and Putin then went on and explained 800 or 900 years of history. He didn't get it and most westgroids listening in didn't get it either, but Putin could follow and create a complex, multithreaded thought in which the past formed a chain of continuity with the present. It makes sense that either rootless mutts or those under hostile enemy occupation wouldn't want you seeing the past and how it mirrors the present in many ways. There's also much seething about Ivan for creating an alt globohomo.

>>24725 >>24761 so true, (((they))) have owned every President since 1913 when the Federal Reserve got put up. Even when Russian President Vladimir Putin asked Bill Clinton if Russia could join NATO, (((they))) said no. This was AFTER the Soviet Union and they just wanted to be frens. Jews have owned Poland and used Poland and their influence on Russia to create Ukraine through Lenin. They had been trying for centuries to create a fringe identity for people in the Kiev area to associate with but those people are just Russians and Hungarians on the Western side. Jews are responsible for the fall of Monarchy in Russia, for the creation of the Bolshevik Communist State, and the shunning and 1984esque making out Russia to be the West's ultimate enemy. Russia's been under attack for literally millennia, they know about the Jew just as well as we do. I think everyone here is favorable of them and views them as our Ally but I'm posting for the lurkers who aren't sure and while half chan is still dead and all the shills are at the sharty and banned (fuck you Israel) no such thing as too much anti-semitism in a post ;) kek

>>24761 >>24725 https://archive.today/https://www.(Webm or) USE https://archive.today/https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=fOCWBhuDdDo I cannot believe that this video has been out here for this long and no one talked about it. That's how you know half chan was pozzed AF. Putin is confirming everything that Qanon has been saying about these Satanists controlling the American government for so long that attempts to make peace with the Jews was seen as an act of war because they were working to overthrow him during the Bush Sr. era. People always have something to say about every country but these posters are all paid shills posing as your frenly neighbourhood anon when they're all just really on the Jew's side working to enslave us all.

>>24725 All I remember being taught at my school about Russians was how (((people))) defeated (brutally murdered each of the members of) the Romanov family. Considering that the Bolsheviks being jewish was something that even my commie strong, empowered teacher (obsessed exclusively with keeping the welfare and pensions system, who she insisted some fascist 'they' wanted to destroy) had no problem admitting and that is something that is searched so often that it appears in google results (and with a custom wikipedia page calling it a conspiracy theory, like anti-white propaganda). To be fair, my teach did also admit that since (((the good guys))) bolsheviks won, the country turned into a dead meat grinder factory and the famines got even worse way before the World Wars (the brainrot and propaganda was much gentler at the end of the 2000s). But yeah, it just doesn't portray any of the usual suspects, the chaste that are above you and that you can't ever criticize in a good way. From a deficient royalty to being ravaged by jews, then communism; having misery, poor education, life not being worth anything for most of its history... It's not pretty, it's not convenient to teach, and they are an stereotype that is 'okay' to hate or love or make fun of depending on whichever current politic climate, 1984 style, due to distance with the rest of Europe and americans. Even if at the bios root system has remained unchanged during hundreds of years and the poisonous ideas have remained the same all during that fact (protocols of ___), with corrupt elites at the top and a literal serf people at the bottom, the perception the rest of the world has of them is easy to change since how vast the country is, how cold, the contrast between even how women and men from there are seen, etc

Something I’ve been thinking about recently: peasant kingdoms. Are they ALL soft-apartheid systems? I mean, the low-IQs (peasants) are slaves / surplus / irrelevant, etc. Human cattle, to be grazed and processed and only the minimal degree of support to keep them quiet. But what about the middile-class? The triple-digit IQs who actually run the country for the elites? They are clearly not peasants, and they matter politically far more than the peasants do. The middile-class types look down on the peasants as if they are just animals, their lives don’t matter to the middile-class at all. So, you can hae a situation like in Russia where, say, a civil servant in Moscow supports the war praises “theirs” etc while simultaneously not caring at all how many of “theirs” is killed. They would not tolerate that kind meat grinder if HIS class of people, and the elites seemingly are afraid of drafting them to fight So isn’t Russian society basically an unofficial apartheid system? Aren’t ALL peasant kingdoms like that? Is the only difference between them one of numbers? Ie, matter if it’s China or Russia or the Dominican Republic, middile-class lifestyles are strictly for the middile-class ethnic groups and slavery / death is for the low-IQ peasant ethnic groups? There’s no piece of paper anywhere that says “ethnic minority x can’t have a middle-class job”, it ust pans out that way because minority x is very unlikely to produce someone with high enough IQ to make it that high up the societal food chain. So if you REALLY chase this down the only thing that differentiates a peasant kingdom from a modern 1st world country isn’t the government or policy or anything else it just comes down to HOW MUCH of the population is a peasant, or, a low-IQ ethnic group?