>>42391 >only AI can do basic math Okay >Capital cost [...] is ENTIRELY relevant I'm not saying capital cost isn't relevant, I'm saying capital cost isn't the only cost and for CCGT is in fact is not even the dominant cost >Chinese costs are due to slave labor China must have invented some really advanced slave-driving methods, if they can make slaves build functioning nuclear reactors (and do it in less than 5 years as well). I thought slavery was abolished in advanced economies because, although you can run an unmechanized agricultural economy on slavery, you can't run an advanced economy on slavery, but apparently it turns out I was wrong

>>42396 It’s cheaper because they have a gigantic surplus population of peasants. Not only does China benefit from coolie labor, local governments work to keep Chinese labor laws from getting in the way of making sure there’s always a steady stream from the impoverished villages. I was going to post a bunch of photos showing what Chinese construction crews look like…but fuck it, this is already a self-evident common knowledge fact that if you’re arguing with this to begin with it just means you’re uninterested in the truth.

>>42419 China certainly benefits from lower labor costs. However, lower salaries alone won't make a reactor spring up in 5 years. Nuclear reactors aren't the type of project where you can just pile on bodies and it'll go faster, certainly not unqualified farm labor. To simply pile on with inexperienced labor was what the Americans tried to do at Vogtle 3, and that project turned into a disaster. China manufactures all kinds of power plants. Coal, gas, wind, solar. Also batteries. The companies that make the main nuclear reactor components in China - CFHI, Shanghai Electric, Harbin Electric and Dongfang Electric - are all involved in other types of power plants as well. Yet the Chinese chose to build nuclear reactors anyway. If expertise does not matter, and if nuclear is inherently more expensive compared to other power plant types, then why don't the Chinese just deploy their legions of cheap ex-farmhand labor to build other types of power plants at even lower cost than they build nuclear reactors?

>>42419 Every industrialized country has had a period of internal migration, from rural to urban during the country's development. It's only the western countries that on top of that need to import foreign workers because rich fucks' pockets can't get even fatter since the locals' salaries and cost of living are artificially inflated due to financial speculation. China will win at the end and you sound like a coping paki

>>41691 >Nuclear is a bad deal in the West because the ludicrously high capital costs. You're forgetting that the "ludicrously high capital costs" are tied to government regulations that effectively prevent a nuclear power plant from being built. Nothing actually tied to the safety nor option of the plant itself, just the building of the facility. >>41702 >Lets not forget that nuclear fuel reprocessing results in plutonium that is used for nukes Yes, for nuclear power plants built during the 60's and 70's because they were using those plants for the purposes of developing nuclear weapons. More recent plants however don't do that because making plutonium is an absolute waste of the uranium, not to mention all the ultra-radioactive waste that happens as a result of that process making plutonium that would be used for nuclear weapons. >One aspect of uranium waste storage that people don't consider is that you have to also defend the waste sites. No, they don't. Modern nuclear power plant designs produce almost 'ZERO' waste because they can constantly recycle the resources used. >and each step will involve more corruption wanting a piece of that pie. I will admit that is ONE problem people tend to ignore about using nuclear reactors for fuel, and that IS the government getting involved and centralizing the distribution of power. However that doesn't need to occur for two reasons. The FIRST is that a nuclear power plant can actually be as small as your average two to three story house in size. When you see all these massive power plants in operation and isolated miles away from any city it's supplying, those are complete wastes of space that only "occur" because of activists complaining about "Muh nuclear" for a device that is nothing more than a super-heated hydroelectric generator. You know, like the ones that you see used on fucking dams? The only difference is that it's inside of a building and supplying the water itself. And this sort of touches upon the SECOND point, which is that those "small" house size nuclear power plants can power an entire suburban neighborhood. Which is also the reason why nuclear is treated like such the devil that it is. If small neighborhoods are capable of providing their own electricity, that takes away power from the government. And they cannot allow that. >>42132 >Red tape in the West is NOT a significant factor Yes, it is: Webm or use redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=n7VCea8LIec

>>41640 >Why is China seemingly so keen on nuclear power compared to everyone else? Because it's a strawman argument you made up? Every sane person fucking loves nuclear reactors. But not everybody can afford them. China can, so they build them. Now maybe you are a climate change denier, idk, but China has a real problem with smoth, and deserts rapidly growing larger, rivers getting polluted and so on, that they have been working hard to fix, and this includes reducing their reliance on coal power, which currently still is a majority producer of theirs. If they are obsessed with something it would be more like hydropower, but it's understandable, and you have to consider their immense energy needs. 10 reactors isn't even that much; let's see how many reactors France (a literal nobody) has running. >56 power reactors >plus military and research Reactors have a lifetime of maybe 30 years, 40 if you're generous, so if you want those 60+ reactors you will need to build 2 reactors per year, having built 60 by the time the first go off the grid.

There is a huge anti-nuclear movement in Europe. The moment government announces construction of a new nuclear plant, the site will be occupied by protesters and all work will stop.

>>42649 Meanwhile Europe is going all-in on gas-fired plants with, reportedly, 80 GW of capacity building / planned; that’s close to 1/3 of current power output. IN REALITY, when all the bullshit is dealt with, it comes down to cost, plain and simple, There isn’t.a single pro-gas advocacy propaganda I can find on YouTube, but ENDLESS propaganda for nuclear. Weird, weird!

>>42636 >Every sane person fucking loves nuclear reactors. Then apparently there are a lot of insane people in many countries. Nuclear reactor construction is banned or effectively banned in several countries. And it certainly is the case that few countries are willing to do what it takes to get them built. There are political movements in many countries that are almost entirely centered around the opposition of nuclear power. Here in Sweden politicians have been sabotaging nuclear reactor construction since the mid-1970s. It has been hugely controversial issue. The nuclear issue caused a cabinet crisis in 1978, and it was also the founding issue for the Swedish Green party. Politicians have been sabotaging existing reactors. 6 out of 12 commercial reactors in Sweden have now been shut down because of policies deliberately designed to make nuclear reactor operation uneconomical, such as the so-called "power tax" (effektskatten), and, one can surmise, by discreetly pressuring the state-owned power company Vattenfall to shut theirs down. Politicians also made sure to incentivize reactor operators to quickly clean the primary loop of decommissioned reactors with acid so they can't easily be recommissioned again. >10 reactors isn't even that much >France has 56 China has approved 56 reactors since 2019, and are now approving them at a rate of about 10 per year. They're currently building 30 reactors in parallel. >Reactors have a lifetime of maybe 30 years The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission recently approved operational extensions to 80 years for several reactors. Chinese HPR1000 reactors have a design life of at least 60 years.

>>42654 Europe today has almost no capability to build nuclear reactors. Just look at Flamanville 3 or other recent projects. There's also almost no willingness to do what it would take to establish that capability. It's politically much easier to keep coal plants running a bit longer, or to let the private sector handle it on its own, such as by ordering some gas plants... However, it's not the case that no one in Europe sees value in nuclear power. For example, Poland, Czechia and Hungary want new nuclear reactors. Here in Sweden the political climate has recently become more favorable to nuclear power as well, although I doubt much will come from that.

>>42649 Those (((protestors))) should be shot on sight.

>>42674 just contract the french they have like 60.

>Taiwan proposes to revive nuclear power plants archive.ph/9IQ47 <Taiwanese lawmakers have revised a nuclear power bill that effectively opens the door for a restart of the island’s atomic plants, a move that underscores a wider policy shift as its energy demand grows and geopolitical tensions worsen. <Under the amended law, nuclear plants that could previously only operate for 40 years, will be allowed to renew or extend their licences for up to 20 years at a time, according to Legislative Speaker Han Kuo-yu. The revision also allows operators to apply for licence renewal before or after it expires. <Energy security is a critical issue for Taiwan, which has sought to phase out its nuclear industry but has also been forced to contend with the needs of a vital chipmaking industry and an uncomfortable reliance on imported fossil fuel. Concerns have increased as Beijing exerts more pressure and the technology industry’s power demands soar.

>>42132 >corruption exists everywhere else but here sorry darling the western countries are equally corrupt you're just a peasant which doesnt have any access to it so pay your licences goy

>>44132 Nope. Both the scale and degree of the corruption is incomparably lower in Western countries than in peasant kingdoms. It has to do with the relative size of the middle-class which is high-IQ and enforces strong systems of oversight to make sure the elites are sharing with them. Because of how few high-IQs are in peasant kingdoms (it’s almost entirely genetic) the middling-class can’t become politically powerful enough to enforce sharing systems so the elites go on theft bonanzas. But the POINT isn’t about corruption, it’s about the political power of the middle-class. In a Western society you can’t have a nuclear power plant unless you give a lot of middle-class interests a piece of the pie. Or else you won’t be able to get the required budget through. That’s just how it is and why (in part) gas power is so much more attractive.

>Wectroons can't do nucular power because they are so incorruptible and high IQ I can't believe this retard is still using this cope kek

>>41640 That’s pretty smart of them chinks. Nuclear power ist the future.

>>41640 Saar

>>41640 Because they are intelligent, unlike the average Ameritard. Nuclear power is always good and superior to any other form of energy generating power. Ameritards watch jewish propaganda from pedowood and think that nuclear power = bad. No wonder America is dying.

>>41691 >effectively outlaw thing without government intervention >people now want gov gibs to reach the next to impossibly high costs >it now takes forever to make a profit wow, it's almost like we've seen this before. And ofc the alternative (burners) doesn't have to deal with these issues because they already have the lobbying power to effectively strangle nuclear before it has the chance to do bullshit regulations (like forcefully shutting down powerplants after x decades of use) back. <green energy (wind, sun, water) Propped up by oil so they don't actually have to compete with the actual green stuff

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My understanding of nuclear power is that on Earth as in heaven, one would not pollute the ground with 100,000 year old industrial waste. You can tell me the results are so small that the 40 year lifespan of a big reactor only produces less than a shipping container of waste. 20ft x 8ft or so... But that waste takes the same 100,000 years to dissipate. So it makes sense that bugmen are building them. They don't care about the planet. They don't even care about their own local environment they're living in. I do not want to be a nuclear state of the size and scale of China. We have oil. We have gas. They work properly. They are energy dense. I'm not sure they run out as I've been told or that the sediments beneath the crust naturally form oil and the damn thing's renewable. I will remind you also the man who conceived of the steam recondenser necessary for the efficient use of coal burning was given the inspiration on a Sunday. He refused to work on it on the Sabbath but he was given this inspiration on a day of religious significance to him. Modern coal and good anthracite can burn clean. Very cleanly. Of course the yellow peril does not do this. Use what the planet gives you; BIG coal, BIG oil, BIG gas, and don't fuck it up. God gave it to you. Take it. Don't worship the work of your own hands and don't be a stinking bug.

>>45476 That's a myth. Nuclear waste (its radiation) does not take hundreds of thousands of years to dissipate, plus modern nuclear reactors can recycle that same nuclear waste. Of course, westoids fall for the usual lies and boycott a reasonable source of clean energy while the smart chinaman builds for the future.

>>41640 The century of shame and embarrassment for white people will end when nuclear power plants get constructed without politicians interfering on behalf of big oil and gas

>>45480 You and your local agrarian community are as likely to build a nuclear reactor as you are putting a massive pipe into the earth hoping for oil and gas to come out. Whereas you have mined coal for centuries and could do that again.

>>45479 As for this being a myth there were constant plans to put a nuclear waste treatment facility in Cumbria that never materialised IIRC but what would be the point in all that in the supposed mythical waste theory? Does it keep the mythos going? Is the physics field as controlled by jews as psychology? Are you sure you want to put up reactors with no way of storing or treating waste?

>Japan Looks at Building First Atomic Reactor Since Fukushima archive.ph/ip5TD <Kansai Electric Power Co. is looking into a plan to build Japan’s first nuclear reactor since the country soured on the technology following the 2011 Fukushima disaster, the regional utility confirmed. <The company will resume surveys for a potential new reactor at the Mihama Nuclear Power Plant in Fukui prefecture west of Tokyo, it said in a statement on Tuesday. <The move marks Japan’s most significant step toward reviving atomic power since the Fukushima Dai-Ichi meltdowns prompted the closure of the nation’s reactors. The government is backing nuclear energy to meet an expected rise in electricity demand from the AI boom over the next decade, and public opinion has also become more favorable. <“Nuclear power should continue to be utilized into the future,” Kansai Electric President Nozomu Mori told reporters in Osaka. “In a country like Japan, which lacks natural resources, the key question is how we can continue to deliver energy, particularly as we look to foster the growth of new industries.”

>Trump Administration To Fast-Track Lunar Nuclear Reactor archive.ph/K3wC1 <With an eye on beating Russia and China to the punch, the Trump administration is about to announce plans to fast-track the building of a nuclear fission reactor on the moon. NASA administrator Sean Duffy, who is also Transportation Secretary, is expected to announce the expedited program this week, according to documents obtained by Politico. <“To properly advance this critical technology to be able to support a future lunar economy, high power energy generation on Mars, and to strengthen our national security in space, it is imperative the agency move quickly,” wrote Duffy in a directive issued Thursday.

>>41640 And that's when they're not burning massive heaps of detritus, which they are now coming short of! >Why is China seemingly so keen on nuclear power compared to everyone else? Because nuclear power has the highest energy density of all forms of energy production and as a growing country that needs to power its newer systems, it needs vast amounts of power. They can't have growth without energy. Less energy means less growth and then degrowth. China has big plans and the country is wide enough that even one exploding plant could be absorbed, hundreds of millions of people would continue living and, if needed, spread to other nations as a soft or hard invasion. China is buying lands and companies everywhere in the world. If the Jews take full control of that country, we're fucked. >>41691 >Nuclear is a bad deal in the West because the ludicrously high capital costs. They are absorbed over decades and since nuclear power is the greatest form of power for a growing nation there's no reason to shun it if we look at it from a development perspective. Stupid plans and regulations added in bad faith are what strangle the nuclear industry and make construction projects expensive, even for countries that had a solid experience in building them. It's not even the maintenance, it's just the construction alone that's facing a barrage of pretentious moral aggressions and tons of paper works and administrative road blocks. In Europe this had the effect of making many countries dependent on external sources of fuel, namely Russia for example, which was very convenient the moment the war started against Ukraine. European leaders are traitors and have been sabotaging their own nations on purpose. Destroying the nations brings their peoples on their knees and then liberties can be destroyed while private and public assets can be acquired for a penny, sometimes sold by governments to external parties in deals that are tantamount to treason, especially when involving sensitive technologies. There are no words harsh enough to describe the kind of real physical torments so many deciders, leaders and influencers in Europe deserve to be exposed to for as long as possible.

>>45838 That one rubs me the wrong way because not so long ago, the Moon was an international property that was supposed to be free of control and exploitation. But Trump wants to seize assets on Earth or beyond and faces absolutely no opposition.

>>45838 Might as well flush my tax dollars down the toilet.

>>41691 >bad takes >leaf yeah not surprised

>>45943 It is the work of peak humans to plunder the moon, the planets, and all property in the universe, and it is the very ideal of Aryans to row into uncharted and unexplored areas. Anyone who opposes it must be remembered as a Jew. Give me paid medical care. Let us colonize Mars.

>>45838 If you thought what happens in war zones is bad, you can't imagine the kinds of rape dungeons that will go on in the basements of off-world corporate industrial facilities.

>>46228 I don't give a shit if it is by a corporation or not. All species adapt, dissipate, and evolve in order to extend their own phenology farther and continue to replicate themselves. Should we stick around this little planet until the end of time and watch it go extinct as we kill and kill and kill? No kidding. Why did our ancestors die? Was there any meaning to their deaths? It will be up to the descendants of future generations to decide, and the significance will be celebrated by the flourishing of our species. Even if the price of colonization means corporate domination, as in your imagined science fiction written by the Bolsheviks in the 70's, the seed will be forged in that hell and its meaning will be passed on to future generations. It is God's dead world. It is the only hope we can leave behind in the cold spiral of survival and death that social Darvinism represents, and on its imprint, “Live happily!” is inscribed on it. I am the Aryan ideal, no matter what anyone says. Endless ambition and sacrifice for the unknown, as Hernán Cortés accomplished. I believe in the supreme violence of man to destroy, exploit and own nature. If you have realized the meaning of life, you will soon join the ranks of the faithful. who wanted the “best” for their lives.

>>46228 I think they already did, in the Alien/Aliens universe. Read some of the novels and get a better idea of corperate evil. Oh, and them predicting AI (Mother and Father systems, digital thinkers for the Corperate and Military service seperately).... The Aryan ideal? As in, working as that ideal, being genetically as that ideal, or working for that Aryan ideal future? See, this is why I think its dead, and many will agree -> the goo that is race in this generation, honestly, is your skin tone and possible genetic dispositions for disease (lol, black/jew diseases [and a few islanders and exceptions], whoda thunk inbreeding would cause problems) are more your race than anything. In this hyper-corpo future I see licences for breeding in 2-300 years, THATS when you get your 'Aryan Future'. Run more mega-corps, become THE mega-corp, and bam. Victory achieved. Literally do whatever.