>>36474 >Why accept "faith" when knowledge itself exists?

>>29170 the crusades weren't anti Christian, they were a response to a literal huge expansionism of islamic empires combined with those empires/khalifates etc killing or extortioning pilligrims trying to visit Jesus cruxifiction place.

>>37631 Not watching your 3 minute jewish sitcom clip. I wasn't even talking about "science" but literal direct observation Christianity says >just BELIEVE (without evidence) and you WIN >anyone who believes in Jesus gets an eternity in paradise This truly is NPC tier shit that destroys the world <nothing really matters, I've already won

>>38268 >Not watching your 3 minute jewish sitcom clip Is anime more your speed then?

>>37631 >Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Paul's definition of faith. He said it is substance and evidence. Much different from "you just have to believe." It is evidence. I wasn't really paying attention to the conversation, just wanted to add that.

If all the Christians banded together and fought back against their pedophile priests instead of coddling them, the world would not be so against the Roman Catholics. The Vatican is Satan's Synagogue. They're not on your side.

>>38364 I'm not an atheist materialist that venerates scientists as the new priest caste. I'm simply saying that to believe in anything without evidence is bad. Illusions are bad and typically lead to dark places, just as the last 2000 years of Christianity have led the world to the pit of hell The Spaniard here >>24284 is utterly correct >>38591 The thief that was crucified next to Jesus was admitted into heaven (according to Jesus) for blind belief alone. Also <"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

>>38692 How do you know the thief had blind belief? Jesus preached did miracles. Thief would have known about Isaiah 53 if he went to synagogue. >Uses John 3 Read the rest of it.

>>8397 >the first threat to the race would cut short any further ideological exploration Why do that's to your eace need to be ideologically explored? That sounds stupid and of anything we have too much of this disease going around as it is.

>>8515 >It's still a spinoff of Judaism. >spinoff "Christian" label use started around 33AD Judaism started around 800AD when king Bulan converted his pagan tribe in Khazaria (modern Ukraine) to then dead religion of the Scribes and Pharisees >spinoff 4cuck called and wants it's shills, that's ((((you))) back, faggot.

>>8366 I find it very funny that you think the christian church in the United States of America does not support racial preservation, because thats all it is now. Christian churches do nothing but promote white culture at its lowest common demoninator. By that I mean that the Christian church is controlled by white trash. To be part of the christian church in America you have to submit to respecting white people, despite the fact that they are lazy good-for-nothings who expect respect that they dont earn. You have to give up control of your life and allow the worst kind of people to control your life in order to be accepted as part of this white trash tribe. Tribalism is pushed at every opportunity, you have to make every white trash person in your church feel important. Never mind the fact that the pastor of your church has preferred pronouns and that tranny children are part of what needs to be accepted. Any person who willfully attends church is a dog and should be treated like a dog.

>>39293 Post hand, immigrant-kun.

>>8366 God decides everything about everyone, yes. Deal with it. you are not free. And you will never be free. Every time that you try to be free, God will intervene and punish you for that. Side with the obedient. The winners. Or have your life ruined.

>>39553 I already chose to be ruined a long time ago, no material wealth will motivate me to be around white trash who are given wealth for being white and for no other reason

>>39607 >thinks in terms of material wealth with no concept of spiritual wealth >envious of the achievements reaped by the work of European excellence and for no reason at all white people just magically became privileged one day because racism

>>39717 Im old enough to remember when the United States was a country based on producing goods and services and rewarded people who were skilled at doing so. I was proud to be an american back then, but that no longer exists. The wealth of the United States in the last 10 years has nothing to do with exports of goods and services but is entirely dependent on banking and easy lending of money. The US does not design or produce anything anymore. Its full of people who are fake rich working bullshit jobs that drive a consumer based economy. So this all ties into how christianity is now a country club for white trash to pretend they made it in life but are really just a bunch of lowlifes living it up in fake consumer culture.

>>38692 Unbelief is sin, not because there is no evidence, for there is unlimited, infinite amount of miracles, works, wonders, material evidences like the shroud of Turin, the manuscripts, countless testimonies and scrolls and papiruses and mountains upon heaps of clear cut evidence. Every single time i argue with someone that there is no evidence we end up at the same place where they will admit that they just hate God for no reason and will proceed with their lives as if they won't go to hell, thats where it always end up. You can go outside and see that intelligent design and synchronicity bear witness that God made stuff. I told a guy that he could go see and touch noahs arc and he literally replied with i don't care if its real i just hate God.

You will not find honest discussion if you start your thread with dishonest questions. The replies almost exclusively come from people who don't go to church, who have never been to church and have never read a Bible. From what I can tell you want people to make you feel good about your choice of removing yourself from culture. You have nothing but the comfort of your sins.

>>39796 It's always the same false dichotomy with you Christians. You pretend that everyone is either a member of your cult or an atheist I KNOW there is a God because by God's grace I have beheld Him directly with my very eyes. I have no faith because he has blessed me with knowledge You have a book full of lies that keeps you from encountering true reality. God is not a man that impregnated his mother with himself so that he could do a convoluted human sacrifice of himself God is real, yes, and every religion loves to lie about Him for political reasons. Christianity makes up lies in the process of domesticating a population <follow all of the rules and all of your politicians, because God put them there <love your enemies <"resist not evil" For more than a thousand years everyone interested in science and literacy was directly encouraged to become a celibate monk and delete their bloodline. Even after all Christian nations have decayed into hellholes there are still pawns like you trying to spread it. Ridiculous

>>39343 >immigrant-kun >oy-vey.png >The people calling themselves 'Jew' view Christianity as their primary target for no reason

>>8366 Christianity is a jewish puppet religion

>>40151 It's really telling how every single Christian ITT ignored this post >>24284 and continues to ignore it Look Christians and respond please >>24284 >>24284 >>24284

>>24284 >why were Jews literally the only religious minority suffered to exist in Christendom? https://archive.today/https://infogalactic.com/info/Spanish_Inquisition <The Inquisition was originally intended primarily to ensure the orthodoxy of those who converted from Judaism and Islam. The regulation of the faith of the newly converted was intensified after the royal decrees issued in 1492 and 1502 ordering Jews and Muslims to convert or leave Spain. >>38692 >atheist materialist Isn't that being redundant? >I'm simply saying that to believe in anything without evidence is bad There is no "evidence" of gravity, only theories on observations and experiments made. So do you believe in it? >just as the last 2000 years of Christianity have led the world to the pit of hell <Yes, clearly Christians was the ones who "started" this shit.

>>8366 The church is it's own worst enemy because the church is just not political. As an institution the vatican is completely irrelevant. That's what happens when the organization becomes an end in and of itself. >>40961 >ordering Jews and Muslims to convert or leave Spain. Oh no conversion, that totally stops jews from jewing! >>just as the last 2000 years of Christianity have led the world to the pit of hell For everything that you can blame the jews for, the church hasn't exactly been a help.

>>8542 What about Daniel? he is pretty f. up if you ask me. And Joseph too. There are no germanic (HUMAN) morals described anywhere in the bible. It's a fucking dessert culture mindset through and through and the only reason you don'tsee that is probablybecauseyou have been drenched in the same culture throughout your whole life by means of jewish televishion and books. Congratulations on being thoroughly mindfucked.

>>40986 Spain has a large Jewish population too. They're even a unique subset, the Sephardics. A ton of the new world conquistador types were sephardic If the Spanish Inquisition was antisemitic it clearly failed

>>8468 People aren't going to put in the necessary amount of studying to understand WHY rules were put into place. The bible doesn't explain jackshit either so people are going to look at stuff like "The man is the head of the household and the woman is to submit to her husband", think that's sexist and evil, see "don't fuck dudes in the booty and marriage is only between a man and a woman" and think that's bigoted, and then completely disregard the bible and adopt the seemingly harmless of "My morality boils down to 'You can do what you want as long as it doesn't bother anyone'". Next thing you know, people think marriage is worthless, MonkeyPox exposing that gay dudes have been having orgies damn near daily, and pic related. No anon. You can be white but that doesn't exempt from being retarded. Christianity has built in guardrails for retards who take things to an obssessive degree. It has been tried and true, cultivated for centuries. Use it.

>>8366 yeah its weird. i heard some of their shit and i would rather be watching the gore and penises here. they do some really intense guilt tripping and fearmongering as if the plan is to drive you to suicide. and this is supposed to be the kind of life you want to live forever

>>8366 >go to church for Easter >see White parents with a nignog (hopefully at the very least) adopted kid >disdain for christcucks grows

>>8411 Correct about the kike part but saying the crusades were about forcing Christianity on people is so far from the truth. Missionaries also didn't force anyone to convert; they weren't muslims that would force you to pay ridictulous taxes at best, or slit your throat at worst, if you didn't convert. https://archive.today/https://www.(Webm or) USE https://archive.today/https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=6aFkoX6g1fE&t=97s >>8412 Also, could you source me up on this. I only get shitty German versions when I search on Youtube >>8468 A truly euphoric post. *Tips fedora*

>>41364 Guess you can't embed here

>>41338 >The bible doesn't explain jackshit either so people are going to look at stuff like "The man is the head of the household and the woman is to submit to her husband", think that's sexist and evil There's a second part of that verse that people also LOVE to leave out, as it changes the entire meaning. It's Ephesians 5:22-33: <Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. <Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband. >see "don't fuck dudes in the booty and marriage is only between a man and a woman" and think that's bigoted And that's also listed in the same passage as that's outlawing infidelity and incest. Also, it does explain WHY those things are outlawed. Many of those laws are the standards God demands for a "holy" people (Which naturally are not because we're fallen in the eye's of God). And the Hebrews were given many chances to not be held by such high and strict standards, but they rejected that insisting that they were "Holy", per Joshua 24:14-26: <“Now therefore, fear the Lord, serve Him in sincerity and in truth, and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the River and in Egypt. Serve the Lord! And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” <So the people answered and said: “Far be it from us that we should forsake the Lord to serve other gods; for the Lord our God is He who brought us and our fathers up out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, who did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way that we went and among all the people through whom we passed. And the Lord drove out from before us all the people, including the Amorites who dwelt in the land. We also will serve the Lord, for He is our God.” <But Joshua said to the people, “You cannot serve the Lord, for He is a holy God. He is a jealous God; He will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins. If you forsake the Lord and serve foreign gods, then He will turn and do you harm and consume you, after He has done you good.” <And the people said to Joshua, “No, but we will serve the Lord!” <So Joshua said to the people, “You are witnesses against yourselves that you have chosen the Lord for yourselves, to serve Him.” <And they said, “We are witnesses!” <“Now therefore,” he said, “put away the foreign gods which are among you, and incline your heart to the Lord God of Israel.” <And the people said to Joshua, “The Lord our God we will serve, and His voice we will obey!” <So Joshua made a covenant with the people that day, and made for them a statute and an ordinance in Shechem. <Then Joshua wrote these words in the Book of the Law of God. And he took a large stone, and set it up there under the oak that was by the sanctuary of the Lord. And Joshua said to all the people, “Behold, this stone shall be a witness to us, for it has heard all the words of the Lord which He spoke to us. It shall therefore be a witness to you, lest you deny your God.” So Joshua let the people depart, each to his own inheritance.

I have an intense urge to speak with people who doubt God, but the words are hard to come by. Starting in my mid-teens, I had a 20 year journey through childish acceptance, despair, militant atheism, nihilism, humoring the idea of God as a technical possibility, finally coming around to at least seeing the merit of the bible on an intellectual level, and even then it took several more years before I could let go of the excuses I was using to remain safely skeptical. I now confident that God is real and Christ is the way to him. I did not plan or even hope to come to that conclusion. I was not led into it by others and I am not ignorant to alternative faiths and arguments against faith in general. I've heard it all, and while I can engage with issues point by point, I also know that debate of that sort is mostly just pissing in the wind. I'm not arrogant enough to think what took decades of living to turn me around I can compress into a few perfect sentences. I've been every type of doubter at one time or another, and a lot of those types of people are emotionally entrenched against God, goodness, and the concept of meaning in general in ways that require more than words. Jesus said that people will see him in you through your actions. Seeing him in other people's lives was a big part of what clued me in. I'm trying to get better at showing that, myself. What I will say is that I encourage you to read the bible for yourself (even if it's just as literature) and stop giving a fuck what anyone, especially the church, says. You really think the highest seats of power in the world, in the era where narratives and information is all that matters, would allow the most influential memetic force in human history to go unmolested? The popular image of Christianity has been hijacked and directed against you and against God. Jesus- a king, exorcist, and hero so great he was within all rights to sincerely preach supreme love and mercy- is depicted as a soft-natured pacifist on a cross. Most Christians support things that God never asked them to and you probably believe things about Christianity that might have sounded like definitive zingers against it out of context, but are in reality not even true. The gaggle of barely literate crackheads at the church up the street and the big Jesusplex full of gay flags and BLM stickers does not speak for God. If you had to choose one, you'd find more humility with the crackheads. Just read the book and let it stew in you. Go out into nature. Disconnect from the bullshit every now and again and allow yourself the quiet every generation of man before you used to hear his own voice. Maybe I'll have more to say some day, but that's all I've got for now. Christ be with you. There's still time.

>>40144 Post hand, shitskin refugee.

Christians today are especially less religious. They are more disenfranchised with their religion than any generation that came before them. When is the last time you met someone who took true inspiration from Jesus' teachings of empathy, compassion and patience? You won't find one on any imageboard. The Conservatives int he 1960s have successfully conspired to eliminate the last generation of the true practioners of faith by twisting good Christian values and identity with "traditional American values" that were political in nature and thus having little to do with the Bible. Today's Christians criticize the legitimate institutions like the Pope while dogmatically worshipping obvious pretenders like Televangelists and "The Second Coming of Jesus" Trump. The fact that such a phrase can be unironically stated by so-called good Christians should be proof enough that we're living in clown society.