You sound like an NPC.

>>25394 (OP) Cause I believe in democracy Tell me, what are your main criticisms of democracy that make you favour fascism as a political system

>>25410 Democracy is inefficient It encourages short-term thinking (4 year terms), over long-term planning It discourages keeping your nationals safe, look at what's happening in UK right now, Labour is just importing millions of voters, they don't care about the far future, because it's all just about winning the next election and keeping power

>>25416 >Democracy is inefficient Because of the talent of politicians or the understanding of voters? Just add a literacy test to the voting process >It encourages short-term thinking over long term planning Not necessarily and not all Democracies have 4 year terms. >It discourages keeping your nationals safe Belarus' dictator just announced he would be bringing in 250k Pakistani immigrants and that children born of Syrian men and Belarusian women are "the most beautiful" Here are obvious negatives of not having a democracy: >No free speech >No ability for educated individuals to contest politics >Rampant abuse of power and nepotism Maybe a short-term military junta might be needed to overthrow globohomo great replacement, but after that if it doesn't democratise the people are at the mercy of the dictator.

>>25416 Also before you say >democracies are exploited by Jews Consider the following: >Visigothic Spain, hereditary monarchy >Jews subverted the entire government then helped the Moors invade >Castillian Spain, hereditary monarchy >Crypto-Jews larping as christians (conversos) had complete control of the royal court in 1430AD, just decades before the Spanish Inquisition and Limpieza de sangre >1400s Russia, hereditary monarchy >Jewish infiltrators take over the Russian Orthodox Church and get the support of multiple nobles and Russian royalty

>>25416 And with fascism, if you have a bad leader, you're fucked. Hitler and Mussolini fucked Germany and Italy and Hitler is a big reason why we don't have as many White people walking around on the face of this Earth. All authoritarian systems live and die with the quality of their leaders. At this point, it's quite easy to see that's too much power for one person.

>>25459 Hitler had the perfect ideology called "national socialism" and he blew it all on a pointless war. Mussolini didn't do shit with fascism and his army sucked at war.

>>25466 I disagree about the supposed perfectness of National Socialism, but yes, they fucked up. That pretty much demonstrates how imperfect and flawed NS was, that it allowed Hitler to bungle his way to catastrophe, among other flaws. I know Hitler is the big guy around our circles, but he was mediocre and so was his ideology and should be moved on from as an incompetent rat that betrayed us all. This idolatry is getting us nowhere.

>>25486 We definitely need to move away from the failure of Hitler and create an ideology that fits in the modern world.

>>25459 >Hitler and Mussolini fucked Germany Hitler literally made Germany a paradise WTF are you talking about? He give 6 million NEETs employment, upped the birth rate from 1.5 to 3 and sent German industrial production into overdrive. British post WW2 literally burned and destroyed all of Germany's chemical manufacturing plants because they were afraid German rebels would create chemical weapons and counterattack the UK. Hitler didn't ruin Germany, Jews, the UK and shabbos Churchill did. Just because fascism means no freedom doesn't mean Hitler wasn't insanely based

>>25459 >>25459 >Semitic brain victim blaming >"Hitler is a big reason why we don't have as many White people walking around on the face of this Earth" >Not the literal globalist J-w financiers who were trying to open borders and replace White people anyway before German nationalists even stood up to them Tell me you're J----h without telling me you're J----h

>>25490 I agree. >Hitler literally made Germany a paradise WTF are you talking about? Pic related is a "paradise" to you? NS Germany was just a brainless worship of the state rife with corruption (see Christian Weber), incompetence (see Joachim Ribbentrop) and genuine evil (Roland Freisler). People had to work longer hours and there was more monopolization by big business. They also outlawed unions and took away workers' leverage. It was good to be rich in NS Germany and not so good if you were a small business or worker. >upped the birth rate from 1.5 to 3 How do you know this is directly attributable to Hitler? The US also had a baby boom not long after, despite having a society with even less social support. >German industrial production That's called war and it's not a good thing. It came at a steep cost. >Hitler didn't ruin Germany He did. He could've been happy with power, but chose to invade Poland. The British had even been trying to appease him, which Hitler-appointed Ribbentrop repeatedly bungled. What happened to Germany is squarely on his shoulders. He's a false idol, a traitor and a moron.

>>25498 >>25516

>>25489 I agree with you. Hitler belongs in the dust bin.

>>25410 >Tell me, what are your main criticisms of democracy That it just doesn't work.

>>25572 >80 to 90% of natives will support the retaining of their Ethno-Cultural cohesion *unconditionally* You're delusional. Xenophilia is high among people of European descent. >When did the Swedish people vote for the rape and murder of their own children by foreigners? They voted for someone that was a globalist and was open to diversity. The prime minister wasn't from the Sweden Democrats or a similar party. The unfortunate truth is that majority of White people, at least in Western Europe, support at the very least a moderate diversification of society.

>>25394 (OP) >>25516 Kek, the dumb kike unmasked himself so quickly when I chokeslammed him on his last post. >Pic related is a "paradise" to you? That's the rubble of Dresden, a warcrime committed by the British government. It had literally nothing to do with Hitler or National Socialist Germany. Why are you such a dishonest little rodent? Oh yeah because you aren't a Northern European, you're an inbred Jewish rat. Its in your genes. >NS Germany was just a brainless worship of the state rife with corruption The entirety of the weimar government sold out to Jewish financiers and was letting German kids get prostituted and raped. >People had to work longer hours and there was more monopolization by big business. They also outlawed unions and took away workers' leverage. It was good to be rich in NS Germany and not so good if you were a small business or worker. The Deutschmark was literally worth NOTHING in Weimar Germany and the Nazi government created one of the greatest labour schemes in Western history that took 6 million Germans out of unemployment and gave them a living wage. Literally all testimony from the time period, both international and within Germany, remarks on the stunning turnaround in quality of life Germany had under Hitler's leader >upped the birth rate from 1.5 to 3 >How do you know this is directly attributable to Hitler? The US also had a baby boom not long after, despite having a society with even less social support. Nazi Germany literally implemented MULTIPLE large-scale policies directly targeting the German national birthrate, including caps on women in higher education, an abortion ban, mass ban on contraceptives, financial and social credit bonuses for women who had more than 3 kids and removal of women from the labour pool, along with the aforementioned massive decline in unemployment for male bachelors. You have to be willingly dishonest to imply the leap in fertility under Nazi Germany wasn't directly due to Nazi policy. Lol. Such a worthless race of liars you are. >That's called war and it's not a good thing. It came at a steep cost. Its called efficient mobilisation of the working age German population, who are some of the smartest and most efficient people genetically on planet earth. >Hitler didn't ruin Germany He did. He could've been happy with power, but chose to invade Poland Britain attacked Germany and lost its Empire due to Jewish financiers. Stop lying you fucking victim blaming cross-eyed Jewish rat lmao

>>25410 >In short im a nigger faggot npc

>>25610 >Kek, the dumb kike unmasked himself so quickly when I chokeslammed him on his last post. When did this happen? I don't see any "chokeslamming". >That's the rubble of Dresden, a warcrime committed by the British government. It had literally nothing to do with Hitler No, that's objectively wrong. Hitler chose to invade Poland, triggering WW2. And don't give me any bullshit about "dey deserved dat clay". He chose violence; he chose war. Dresden is on him and was completely avoidable. >The entirety of the weimar government sold out to Jewish financiers and was letting German kids get prostituted and raped.\ Muh Weimar. Has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. NS Germany was still rife with corruption. >The Deutschmark was literally worth NOTHING in Weimar Germany Muh Weimar again. Do you have any arguments that you can actually make yourself? You consider an entire generation of youth being killed off in war as an improvement in quality of life? Or the rich being able to squeeze the shit out of small businesses because Hitler pandered to them? >Literally all testimony from the time period, both international From who? Britain thought the Germans were idiots because of Ribbentrop. Mussolini regularly talked shit about Hitler. Poland was in constant fear of them. >within Germany You mean propaganda? Why would the Nazis air any dissent about them? Did you forget they would put those people to death, including even youths? >You have to be willingly dishonest to imply the leap in fertility under Nazi Germany wasn't directly due to Nazi policy. Well, not really, since the rest of the West also had a babyboom not long after, so logically, we can deduce that there were other factors at work besides Hitler's policies. And to be clear, I'm not saying that they weren't good policies and didn't contribute. I'm saying they weren't the sole cause. I don't shit on everything he did, but it was all pointless because he killed a generation of youth with it. >Its called efficient mobilisation of the working age German population, who are some of the smartest and most efficient people Which is war, which has a steep cost. You're also accidentally conceding that Germany's population basically guaranteed success. Even when the USSR was extorting Eastern Germany and had them in their dysfunctional grasp, the DDR was still the most successful economy in the USSR. It wasn't so much Hitler as it was the German people. >Britain attacked Germany Because Germany attacked Poland, a British ally. That was Germany's fault. Britain didn't instigate the war, Hitler did and that is indisputable. If you want to keep worshipping a false idol, go ahead. Some of us actually want to make a difference.

>>25620 >Yes, it's because they've convinced themselves that it's a "moderate" position to hold Pretty much. It seems to be a natural law now that minor diversity always ends up snowballing into major diversity and I've seen no evidence to the contrary. Once you start giving out citizenship and making people equals, it all opens up, doesn't it? It's like imagine if you invited someone to your house, but instead of treating them like a guest, you gave them equal reign and let them start making decisions on the household. It's weird how people don't understand the correlation.

>>25656 glownigger glownigger time to get out your nigger stink can be smelt for miles

>>25656 >NS Germany was still rife with corruption. post proofs or you're a passive homosexual jew faggot

>>25666 These are lengthy articles, so I'll just do some quick hits of them: https://www.homin.ca/news.php/news/12712/group/27 > In their turn, German bureaucrats would embezzle in the same way the funds allocated for opening schools for the Volksdeutsch (ethnic Germans who resided outside the Reich). One of the documents on education in the Zhytomyr General District says that there are 122 Volksdeutsch schools in the district, but in reality this figure is at least twice as high as the real one (according to the occupiers’ press, there were about 60 of such institutions there). Taking into account the Nazis’ attempts to establish Volksdeutsch educational institutions, we can estimate that they allotted funds for 112 schools. The frauds could use real data on the number of children and teachers thanks to the statistical survey conducted in the region on Sept. 10, 1941, on the occupiers’ initiative. This campaign enabled them to obtain true data on the number of schools, pupils and teachers, and these figures were repeatedly used in financial machinations. https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/315994?journalCode=jmh https://military- >Though scholars have paid little attention to Adolf Hitler's bribery of his senior military officers during WW2, the fact that large secret cash payments existed is not news. https://archive(Please use archive.today)/details/popularopinionpo0000kers_u3k5 >Weber became something of a hate figure in the city, particularly amongst the middle classes and he became a by-word for corruption as it was regularly questioned how this former hotel bellboy had come to own a number of hotels, villas, petrol stations, a brewery, the city's racecourse and bus service as well as a home in the Munich Residenz. https://www.archives.gov/iwg/research-papers/ohlendorf-irr-file.html >Ohlendorf's extensive comments concern details of known practices, including Hitler's gifts of landed estates to his favorites,4 the corrupt practices of Reich Labor leader Robert Ley,5 and the obscene dishonesty of Hermann Göring.6 The interrogation adds episodes on less well-known figures too. Ohlendorf claimed that Josef Spacil, the head of the RSHA Office in charge of administration, spent considerable efforts placing forged British banknotes into circulation for the purchase of black market items in southern Europe. Ohlendorf further explained that Germany's main auditing firm, the Deutsche Revisons - und Treuhandgesellschaft, which audited the largest German industrial concerns, was awash with corrupt practices. Instead of providing state authorities insight into the financial health of major firms, senior auditors, who were associated with other commercial firms, used inside information for personal profit. Ohlendorf mentioned that several Nazi party district leaders, particularly in annexed Poland, also helped themselves financially. Erich Koch, the Gauleiter of East Prussia, created a foundation in his own name of which he was sole member, manager, and director, and cemented his political position by showering senior officials such as Göring with lavish gifts. In May 1945, Koch fled to Flensburg aboard a ship "loaded with riches." Arthur Greiser, the Gauleiter of Posen, was associated "with shady dealings in gold articles which originated from the LODZ ghetto" and procured luxurious houses and a big country estate, according to Ohlendorf. I could honestly go on, but you get the picture. >>25671 >If you were alive back then you'd fucking LOVE the German Labor Front. Nope, I wouldn't: https://apwu(Please use archive.today)/news/magazine-labor-history/notorious-part-history-may-1933-dissolution-labor-unions-nazifascist >The Nazi Party’s paramilitary “storm troopers” (fascist armed thugs) stepped up attacks on union members and their offices in dozens of towns. The day after 1933’s May Day International Workers’ Day celebrations, real and free labor unions were outlawed throughout the country. >Police and “storm troopers” raided labor union offices across the country. Union funds were confiscated, and their organizations dissolved. The Nazis beat union officials, murdered many, and arrested many more. Leaders were imprisoned in concentration camps, including Dachau, which was specially built to imprison and murder trade unionists, members of the Communist Party (KPD), the Social Democratic Party (SPD) and other dissidents. >Collective bargaining and the right to strike were abolished, and pay and working conditions were set by Nazi officials. The DAF counted bosses within its membership and was primarily used to spread the Nazis’ antisemitic propaganda among workers. Wages were frozen and the work week increased by 20 percent in just a few years. >Nearly every single miserable communist in Germany was pleased & placated by the Labor Front. According to who, the NS party, right? >The only reason you don't like Nazi Germany's economics is because they didn't completely abolish private property No, and I'm not even for the total abolition of private property. In fact, they did the opposite of abolish it, they privatized even more, which was what inflated corruption and monopolization. >>25708 I'm neither a Communist or a Marxist. It's bizarre how if you point out how NS Germany murdered millions of White people and had corruption and incompetence, you get smeared as some sort of subversive element, rather than just noticing what actually happened.

>>25717 I'm just here for civil debate, brother. Just because we have differences doesn't mean there has to be bad blood.

>>25738 >Is there such a thing as "civil" debate on /pol/ of all places, or even the internet as a whole? Sometimes, when the stars align just so, there is. As a rule of thumb, though, I try to treat whoever I'm typing to as if I were speaking to their face. >your political/ideological alignment. White Nationalist with Strasserist and Mutualist leanings. I am a reluctant authoritarian, however and that extends into a bit of ecofascism, as well.

>>25738 >s there such a thing as "civil" debate on /pol/ of all places, or even the internet as a whole? In this /pol/ yes, there certainly is. Effortposting is encouraged here, as debates can go on for weeks or even months. Give it a shot.

>>25764 >Do you think Strasserist & Ersnt Röhm's political demands were reasonable Yes and no. I think whenever you're trying to accomplish things with other strong personalities, it's important to compromise. Strasserism always had a socialistic core at heart and imo, the ensuing corruption of NS Germany after Hitler's increasing privatization pretty much vindicated what they had been advocating for and arguing against. So, to that end, I think Hitler should've made more of an effort to meet them halfway and vice versa. Rohm is similar on that front, but I don't agree with his adamance about the primacy of the SA. The SA was extremely important and I'm of the perspective that Hitler wouldn't have gone anywhere without Rohm and the SA, so again, I think some placation is at hand, but obviously not the full plate. That said, I think Hitler was horrendous with managing interpersonal conflicts and that's why the biggest ass kissers in the party always went the farthest. As to Knives, though, that was disgusting and should never have happened under any circumstance. It runs completely opposite as to my own ethics and I would never support an organization or individual that was complicit in such an act. >video I'm well acquainted with Hitler. I'm not being closed-minded about the man, but I've done my research on him and after initially liking him as a misguided youth, I came to hate him on my own accord due to previously mentioned reasons and more. I would also like to add that if this thread slides from the catalog, I run a thread based around Strasserism and other alternative WN philosophies over here if anyone is interested in further debate or discussion (please excuse the troublemakers): https://zzzchan.xyz/pol/thread/4079.html#top

>>25410 Eveeyone is fucking stupid. The parasitic, disloyal, desperate, and subversive increasingly become a larger and larger share of the electorate. Worst of all, it simply takes financial groups throwing money around to mold that system to their activistic designs, especially through immigration to displace existing voting demographics, decreasing democratic effectiveness as a common man's tool over time. I don't know if blatant fascism (maybe if it was dressed up) is a workable solution in todays interconnected world where global interconnections matter, but everyone can see that democracy is currebtly no solution and to make some drastic changes, temporary or not.

>>25416 >It encourages short-term thinking (4 year terms), over long-term planning >>25440 >Not necessarily and not all Democracies have 4 year terms. Power being inherited by the ruler's children promotes long-term planning instead of 4-8 years (democracy) or lifetime of the ruler (fascism). By corruption/embezzlement, king robs his literal family.

I wish people would stop pretending that invading Poland was le evil. If you want to be a great power you’re going to end up kicking your neighbors’ doors down and taking their shit. The world is all spoken for so might makes right. Be on your nation’s team or fuck off.

>>25948 Gdańsk/Gduńsk is rightful Kashubian land no matter how many Germans live there, just like Amsterdam is Dutch land despite being only 40% Dutch.

>>25410 Democracy allows feminism and degeneracy to flourish. Not only that, any group with interests not aligned with the nation can take positions of power because of it. Getting weak and complacent like this is how we die from the inside.

>Solves the Birth Rates is killing young men in war really an improvement? >Solves the economy How, by plundering your neighbors? It solves it for some and ruins it for others >Solves morality It's *a* moral system but I wouldn't call it a good one >Makes the population happy or at least pretend to be, because they get thrown in jail if they complain

>>25416 True also democracy requires a minimum intelligence of the population

>>25466 >he blew it all on a pointless war kikes literally forced it on him as soon as they saw how much of a threat he was becoming to their profits

>>25394 (OP) >sends you to die in a meaningless war "for your country" One of the most cucked political systems.

Neo-fascism is just another pathetic aesthetic of the many being exploited to keep the system of corporate neo-feudalism afloat. It's all a scam. Fascism does not solve your capitalistic woes and it only consolidates power in the hands of the wealthy and decadent. Which is, as you're all well aware, synonym with "this shit's a gay as fuck jewish trick. The solution is to migrate responsible democracy (home ownership and vested economic interest/real IQ to vote) into a sort of anarchism (redistribution of wealth) for the benefit of the many, to watch Jews and niggers seethe. Remember, if someone's asking you to hand power over, they're telling you you're incompetent and shit's too fucked, only THEY can fix it: shalom.

If someone's trying to be a messiah, don't forget, that's their oldest trick!

>>25394 (OP) Every system promises all that. What makes fascism different? We had fascism before. Incompetent proles in elite positions used public resources for personal vanity projects, while the common workers suffered rationing of basic foods and textiles.

Etna sama....

>>25394 (OP) I understand wanting to start a coup and overthrow the government that seems masculine and exciting, but who is going to be king? fucking aspie elon? gross