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The problem of CSAM (and comparisons to fictional material). Anonymous 08/12/2025 (Tue) 05:39:41 Id: 648ff6 No. 45909
One reason I think Lolicon/shotacon/Cub should be legal is that it's a waste of time to investigate and prosecute it. Any resources used for investigating drawings could be used for investigating actual CP. There is so much CP that police, platforms, and groups like the NCMEC or IWF are unable to deal with it all. It's not just on the darkweb either. Here's some data from the NCMEC's cybertipline. The vast majority of reports they receive are about CSAM. In 2024, 19,854,300 out of 20,512,803 reports were about CP. Source: https://archive.today/https://www.missingkids.org/gethelpnow/cybertipline/cybertiplinedata In 2024, Facebook filed around 8 million reports to the NCMEC and Instagram filed around 3 million. Source: https://archive.today/https://www.missingkids.org/content/dam/missingkids/pdfs/cybertiplinedata2024/2024-reports-by-esp.pdf In 2023, Facebook filed around 17 million reports to the NCMEC and Instagram filed around 11 million. Source: https://archive.today/https://www.missingkids.org/content/dam/missingkids/pdfs/2023-reports-by-esp.pdf This isn't all the CP on the clearweb or even Facebook/Instagram, that's just the stuff that got caught. A different group used a webcrawler to detect and report CP. >The vast majority of CSAM detected by Project Arachnid is not physically hosted on the dark web. However, the dark web does act as the main conduit for directing individuals on where to find it on the clear web. Source: https://archive.today/https://protectchildren.ca/en/resources-research/project-arachnid-csam-online-availability/ In the USA there wouldn't be enough space in prison to hold everyone who consumes CP, so it's not even worth trying to crack down on people for possessing fictional material. >“I think that people were always there, but the access is so easy,” said Lt. John Pizzuro, a task force commander in New Jersey. “You got nine million people in the state of New Jersey. Based upon statistics, we can probably arrest 400,000 people.” Source: https://archive.today/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/28/us/child-sex-abuse.html For comparison, there's a little under 2 million prisoners in the USA. Source: https://archive.today/https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/criminal-defense/mass-incarceration-in-america-stats-and-facts/ Here's some data from Britain: >Police were alerted to 2,866 suspects in 2012 but only 192 of them – or one in 15 - were detained, according to data from the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (Ceop). Source: https://archive.today/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10109506/Most-people-who-view-child-porn-escape-arrest.html I don't think there's much point prosecuting someone for possession of fictional material, when most CP consumers will not be caught.
The IWF specifically says that you can report fictional material on their report page: >AI, animation, cartoon or 'drawn' posting on /leftypol/ual abuse images. Source: https://archive.today/https://www.iwf.org.uk/en/uk-report/
>>45909 They should stop prosecuted simple possession and dedicate all resources to catching the biggest distributors and creators of CSAM. The numbers show law enforcement already lost the war prosecuting possession. There's just too many people across the world and it's not feasible to lock everyone up. Any time they find a Russian or a jeet doing this, they might as well throw away the report because nothing will happen to them. Most of the time when someone gets arrested for possession it's some middle-aged retard who's too autistic to talk to women. Sure it's funny to see them get arrested, but the danger they pose is minimal when they barely leave their own house.
Is this a foreigner problem? I don't even like that shit but in America I can go on Goolag and search for these and find entire sites full of such content on the clear web. As far as I'm aware only images and videos of actual children is illegal. If it's some fake drawing then who gives a fuck or treats that the same way as what happens to actual people? It's like outlawing images depicting violence and murder. Who's the victim in a fake drawing?
>>45938 >As far as I'm aware only images and videos of actual children is illegal. It's not common, but there are people who have been prosecuted for fictional material in the USA. It's a legal gray area, since fictional material has to be considered obscene to be illegal. There's a test for it called the Miller Test. It's actually what's in the OP's image. And a law was recently passed in Texas that banned it: https://archive.today/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Senate_Bill_20
>>45923 Some people have said that CP laws & sentences are inconsistent. Some of the people who ran major darknet forums that distributed CSAM like Child's Play or Playpen, have gotten less time in prison than some people in the same states who merely possessed CSAM: https://archive.today/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playpen_(website)#Convictions https://archive.today/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childs_Play_(website)#Convictions Both of these sites had staff in Florida. The highest sentence received for running a CP website was 35 years. Though some of them received addition sentences for sexual assault. This man from Florida was sentenced to 100 years for possessing 20 pictures. https://archive.today/https://reason.com/2017/04/14/florida-man-gets-100-years-for-possessin/ But it was reduced to 50 years after an appeal: https://archive.today/https://pubapps.fdc.myflorida.com/offenderSearch/detail.aspx?Page=Detail&DCNumber=V51967 That's more time than some people get for sexually assaulting a child.
I found this paper from Project Arachnid after reading the one in the OP: https://archive.today/https://protectchildren.ca/en/resources-research/experiences-of-child-sexual-abuse-material-survivors-report/ It has some interesting facts. 33% of CSAM victims in this study reported being recognized by someone. 74% of them were worried about being recognized. Starting on page 16 of the PDF, some of the CSAM survivors talk about their experiences with undergoing abuse such as stalking and harassment. It was basically like an aftereffect of being in CSAM. >A handful of survivors alluded to offenders recognizing them by chance, such as by someone who had viewed the posting on /leftypol/ual abuse material and happened to be in the same restaurant or online chat room as them. Far more common, though, were descriptions of offenders deliberately tracking down survivors. >Offenders will use social media, news reports, and other publicly available information to research survivors.[58] They learn the names of survivors, what they currently look like, their social media accounts, where they live and work, and so on. Sometimes offenders then publish this personal information in online communities of offenders — an action commonly referred to as “doxing.” There's more testimony from them in the PDF, but that portion kinda reminds me of the stuff that Kiwi Farms has done. KF even has revenge porn.
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>>45910 People in Ireland have posted on 4chan and twitter and reported that Gelbooru blocked their country because Ireland doesn't like Loli.
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>>45909 >There is so much CP that police, platforms, and groups like the NCMEC or IWF are unable to deal with it all. If those groups were honest they'd admit that at least 90% of that is from teenage whores posting pictures of themselves or their boyfriends posting it with permission or as "revenge porn." They want people to think that all "CP" is three year olds getting raped when the vast majority of the stuff getting posted and reported are not jewishs.
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>>46069 Wordfilters are always strange, but changing "jewishs" to "jewishs" is an odd choice.
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>>46070 LOL....okay, that didn't work either. Pre is the first part of the word, and t e e n s is the second part.
>>46069 That's how they get their funding lol. They get MILLIONS of reports yet the vast majority of them get thrown away either because police don't want to deal with it or can't. Let's put some more teenagers on the sex offender registry though because they're retarded :)
>>46069 >If those groups were honest they'd admit that at least 90% of that is from teenage whores posting pictures of themselves or their boyfriends posting it with permission or as "revenge porn." Im pretty sure those groups talk about the sources of CP in their stats.
Someone was recently arrested for loli in Ireland.
>>45909 CSAM is a problem because the government drags its feet on purpose. Intel agencies are free to spy on people extra judicially, but when it comes to CSAM suddenly "uhh uhh 4th ammendment! uhhh prosecution would be illegal!" >>45923 kill yourself >>46005 Wow! It's almost like pedophile Jews run the US government!
>>46072 It's completely about revenue generation since the taxpayer pays. Has nothing to do with societal order or protecting the public. There are more speeding tickets than ever, and drug deaths continue to rise.
Lolicon is legal in the united states, m8. 7chan hosts lolicon and there servers are located in the United States. It has gone to the supreme court several times and every time they find that in violates freedom of speech to ban it. It's not real. End of story. Fags who want to ban it are just on the pedo hate wagon and don't actually care whether children get raped or not because lolicon helps pedos deal with their urges in a healthy manner that doesn't harm anyone.
>>46154 >Regarding the other 10%, abuse means rape and rape means lack of willingness, but that's not always the case either. What do you mean?


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