>>7197 >Isn't that just evidence to RG not happening? Not really. Theres clear setup for it. RG is just lacking the necessary weight and emotional investment to make it more interesting. You dont necessarily need stakes to make a pairing interesting but RG hasn't had a lot of time to cook compared to most ships. So it's gonna need some sauce to make up for it. >>7201 lmao.

>>7197 Valean refugees arrived during the epilogue and it was a hasty retreat. Maybe it took days, maybe they retreated within day, timeframes and distance in RWBY have always been funky. For example, Sun and Neptune episode takes place day after V8, but Qrow is already in Vacuo. So going by that information, Qrow traveled from Atlas to Vacuo in an airship in a span of day. As for Salem, we don't know what she brought to Vale, only that she arrived there after destroying Atlas. So maybe she brought some of her army with her, maybe she brought an army she had in Beacon, maybe she leveled it by herself considering she is much stronger than Maidens. Overall, lot of unknown variables but I don't think much time passed overall

>>6909 Aww this is cute. Can you write something about it?

>>7210 >You dont necessarily need stakes to make a pairing interesting but RG hasn't had a lot of time to cook compared to most ships. Even KnightFall, despite limited Cinder-Jaune interaction has had time to cook, and while a massive stretch it can be claimed that the same goes for Bees and other ships we see in series. RG has far less than any other ship. Also I (also) just don't like this happening. Feels cheap for Ruby, no matter what asspull angst they'd do. >>7197 >>7214 Perhaps not months but weeks for sure.

>>7218 >RG has far less than any other ship. Which is understandable since Oscar came in so late as a character. They've had to deal with the balancing act of quickly establishing his character and fleshing him out while also trying to setup his romance with Ruby. Both of those have suffered to an extent due to time constraints.

>>7245 I genuinely feel Oscar has come off better than most other characters in Volumes 4-9. Still not a RG fan but I'm not really a fan of Ruby ending with anyone in canon.

Talk about a lot of RG in Cinders territory. >Even on a thread dedicated to her, she takes an L.

>>7247 Lol. RG and Knightfall are parallels so we gotta talk about em.

>>7215 Thanks. Nice pic. Quite a few of us are working on Knightfall fics of our own so maybe one of us can include a similar scene.

Speaking of parallels. >picrel The parallels between Jaune and Oscar are pretty blatant and undeniable at this point(if they ever were). Both their character journeys seem to be about forging their own identities outside of the hero roles they were forced into. With Oscar it's Ozma and with Jaune it's the Rusted Knight. This is related to both of their love interests because it's kinda implied that Ruby and Cinder are the keys to them defining themselves. We see Ruby encourage Oscar and reassure him that he's his own person and Cinder while unintentionally, forces Jaune to awaken his semblance. The girls whether intentionally or not, cause growth in their boys. Which is part of why people think Jaune's semblance is going to evolve again the next him he interacts with Cinder.

>>7247 Cinder and Jaune still dominate the discourse ITT so it's fine. >>7245 At least half the Lancaster moments had were post-V3. Oscar only started interacting with RWBY in V5, but there were still opportunities.. >Both of those have suffered to an extent due to time constraints. They suffered because RoseGarden is Lancaster lasagna but poorly reheated in a dirty microwave after being left in the fridge for too long.

>>7255 >Oscar only started interacting with RWBY in V5, but there were still opportunities.. Yeah but in the middle of everything else they needed to setup? There wasn't any room. Which is why they get about, 2-3 scenes in total. The training that parallels Jaune's fight with Cinder, The speech that(again) parallels Jaune's confrontation of Cinder and the one moment where Oscar rushes to Ruby after she's knocked out. Which is about it. Decent enough for the start of their setup but there isn't much else they can do. >They suffered because RoseGarden is Lancaster lasagna but poorly reheated in a dirty microwave after being left in the fridge for too long. That....isn't wrong. lol. Rosegarden is indisputably Lesser Lancaster. A watered down and rushed version. But it is what it is. I'm not a huge fan of RG but I passively accept it since I have no strong feelings towards Ruby or Oscar as characters. That and it helps validate Knightfall to a degree.

>>7263 >Jaune, in order to save the world he decides to impregnate Cinder.

>>7265 >Jaune, in order to save the world he decides to impregnate Cinder. It's the only way. He cant beat her in a fight but he can beat that pussy up.

>>7263 Considering they first met in V5 they get decent amount of moments Their first meeting parallels Warrior in the Woods, implying Oscar immediately fell for her Their spar has lot of Salem/Ozma imagery Oscar is one of the first people to question Ruby's facade and her well being (both spar and this scene are paralleled with Knightfall) Oscar is worried for Ruby in V5 fight... but not for speared and dying Weiss lmao. They have a moment in V6 where Oscar admits his fears of being just another Oz to Ruby They are consistently standing next to each other in Atlas arc. Ruby is the first one to greet Oscar after he returns. Oscar foreshadows Ruby's V9 arc during his dialogue with Oz in V8. Ruby breaks down after killing illusion Oscar while his state seemingly worsens because of her absence.

>>7268 >Prevents the fall of beacon and is lauded as a hero. >Cinder gives birth to twin girls and Jaune being the dominant one, names them after Nora and Pyrrha.

>>7269 Thats a lot more moments than I remembered. Not sure if we can count Oscar foreshadowing Cinder's arc since it's not a direct moment between them...but it is interesting that theres a sort of connection between them even when they're not on screen together. >>7275 Damn. Jaune would've saved the world if he was allowed to rizz Cinder in V3.

>>7275 Isn't this kinda the plot of A Monster's Marriage? Also the story of The Great Temporal Step-Sibling War (for Cinder's timeline). >>7263 >The training that parallels Jaune's fight with Cinder I guess that's true but as Rusty said it's very vague and minor. Cinder and Jaune are directly set up to be foils as well as Cinder and Ruby. Oscar is basically a tacked on character until we get into V8, without Ozpin he's basically a background character until things start going to shit and even then the primary moments are with JNR rather than RWBY. Ruby has scarcely any interaction with him after V5 and early V6 when Ozpin goes into hibernation.

>>7293 >Thats a lot more moments than I remembered. Not sure if we can count Oscar foreshadowing Cinder's arc Just noticed I had a bit of a typo here. I meant Ruby not Cinder. lol. >>7307 >Isn't this kinda the plot of A Monster's Marriage? Really? Gonna be honest I skipped the ending to that fic. I REALLY get tired of the fall of beacon plot line so i just went straight to the epilogue. I have other problems with that fic. Particularly them not letting Jaune train and making him stay weak. Thats just fucking corny. >>7307 >Oscar is basically a tacked on character until we get into V8 Which is true and I'd say is still kinda true. It's the biggest weakness of Rosegarden. The simple fact that Oscar is barely a character. I expect something huge from him in V10 to make up for this.

>>489 Was reading this old comment and just want to offer a small correction: I spoke with knightfallcraven a few months ago. They post on tumblr now. Turns out they DO still ship Jaune x Cinder. Just throwin that out there.

>>7380 >them not letting Jaune train and making him stay weak. Well he does train later on in the fic and there is no Fall of Beacon, it gets cancelled after Cinder gets pregnant. >I expect something huge from him in V10 to make up for this. I don't (and don't want him to) >>7383 Cool. Good to hear though many of their works are still gone, drifting somewhere on the internet/archives.

>>7384 >Well he does train later on in the fic Thats kind of good I guess but he could have been training much earlier than that. Just because he cant get into a school doesn't mean there aren't other ways to learn how to fight. It annoyed me because the story acted like gyms don't exist or that people cant train at home. It's dumb. > and there is no Fall of Beacon, it gets cancelled after Cinder gets pregnant. You sure? I don't remember that. I distinctly remember them going to stop it after she changed her mind. Hm. Maybe I should go re-read that then.

>>7176 >It probably doesn't matter but between RG and KF which couple do you imagine kisses first? Jaune & Cinder are older and more mature. So it's more likely that they would kiss and have sex whole Ruby & Oscar are still giving each other pecks on the cheek.

>>7176 If we are going with assumption KF happens before story ends, then KF. RG will probably be the final pairing of the story with both of them only figuring out their feelings right at the end.

>>7404 Jaune not training is an aside, he failed initiation, settled down in Vale and worked. You don't have a ton of time for the gym or training when you're working a 9-5. >going to stop it You're thinking of the fight with Watts

>>7421 >Jaune & Cinder are older and more mature. So it's more likely that they would kiss and have sex whole Ruby & Oscar are still giving each other pecks on the cheek. I doubt RWBY would include sex. It's debatable they might imply it though. >>7424 >If we are going with assumption KF happens before story ends, then KF. RG will probably be the final pairing of the story with both of them only figuring out their feelings right at the end. That makes sense but it's almost hard to imagine them being the centerpiece/final conclusion of the story. Like if we're talking about them getting the final scene of the entire story it's not gonna be a very fitting point to end on. They've been pushed romantically but it doesn't feel like Oscar is the center of the story alongside Ruby. If they get the final scene, that makes it appear that the entire story was about them and thats just not true. It'd be easier to believe if it was Lancaster though. Since Jaune was built up since the start. However if they make Rosegarden just one of many side pieces to the story ending I think that would land better. >>7431 >Jaune not training is an aside, he failed initiation, settled down in Vale and worked. You don't have a ton of time for the gym or training when you're working a 9-5. Even ignoring the fact that people go to the gym everyday even with a 9-5. The real issue is that they didn't need to set Jaune up that way at all. They could have easily structured things in such a way that he was still pursuing his own dream with his own training and not stuck in some ordinary job.

Do you guys think that Jaune getting with Cinder is an insult to Pyrrha? Why or why not? Why do you think some people interpret Knightfall that way?

>>7518 >Do you guys think that Jaune getting with Cinder is an insult to Pyrrha? Pyrrha is irrelevant in the context of Knightfall because she's dead so it doesn't matter if its insulting to Pyrrha or not. >Why do you think some people interpret Knightfall that way? Overly defensive Pyrrhafags who want Jaune chained to her corpse forever because they haven't moved on past V3.

>>7518 I mean yeah it's kind of insulting to have your crush end up with your killer. But ultimately not that relevant. Main draw of the ship is thematic conclusion of show's original pair, not cucking Pyrrha. Some Arkos fans and many Jaune haters consider Jaune to be permanently tied to Pyrrha. Therefore he shouldn't be able to move on... ever. That's why there were so many asinine V9 theories about Jaune finding Pyrrha's ghost and staying in Ever After. Yeah, ideal ending they see for the character is suicide

>>7532 That is why we change it a bit. Also because I kind of like this image. >>6909 >Sucker for cute pictures.

>>7518 No? Pyrrha was never Jaune's girlfriend, hell he was oblivious to her feelings up to the point of her kissing and running off to die. This conversation has been had before and in essence, "They probably think that redeeming Cinder meant that Pyrrha's death is cheapened somehow by said redemption." As for why, because people that like Pyrrha are obviously going to be mad about her death and in their minds Jaune belongs to her and that's it, no progress allowed.

>>7518 >Do you guys think that Jaune getting with Cinder is an insult to Pyrrha? Why or why not? No. Pyrrha & Jaune were never dating. Never in love either. It was a school crush. I could see how it would be offensive if they were married but they weren't anything close to that. >Why do you think some people interpret Knightfall that way? Because they over-inflate the nature of Pyrrha & Jaune's relationship into something more romantic than it actually was. Again, it was a highschool crush, but the problem with the fandom is that they interpret it as being the ultimate, "end all be all" true love/soul mate romance of all time. Again, It's overblown. So it gets put on a pedestal as the perfect relationship by just about everyone. It gets worse over time. Years of headcanon and idealizing V3 has turned it into the fandom's sacred cow. Thus the person who destroyed this ultimate true love must be destroyed by any means necessary. So it makes sense why suggesting that Jaune would love Cinder, would bring such venom & vitriol. Because you're essentially putting the person who killed their scared cow in a good light. Giving Cinder death is viewed as the ultimate testament to the love of Arkos. Proving that Jaune would kill for her and avenge her death. Hence why giving Cinder love instead of death feels like an insult. Again it "might" be disrespectful if Jaune & Pyrrha were in an actual relationship. But that was never the case. Which is a reality that a lot of people aren't ready to grapple with.

>>774 >Never said it was. I just don't think Cinder is capable of these things, I don't want to see her get them, and I think she would reject them if they were offered to her. I know this is an old comment but I wanted to respond to it anyway. I've noticed that people like this don't really care about facts. A lot of their disagreement is purely feelings based opinion pieces. "I wouldn't like, I dont think, I dont want" theres never any discussion on whether it would make sense within the story or fit the themes. It's just: "I wouldnt like it so it's bad." Why do these people think that because they wouldnt want it, then that somehow means it cant happen? 🤔

>>7598 >Why do these people think that because they wouldnt want it, then that somehow means it cant happen? Feels > Reals?

>>7599 >>7598 Rusty has a point, like I can list several things that happened on my hand that I didn't want to happen and it did. You don't control the doors opening in your life, sometimes not even the ones fall through. Half of life is about the unexpected, I mean you an I are here.

>>7598 They can't address any of the actual arguments. If they do they would lose and they know that. Thats why when you see Knightfall being discussed by haters they accuse it of being a "gooner" ship and that people only like it because of a fetish. They resort to ad-hominems and make up assumptions about us instead of listening to what we actually say. Because realistically speaking thats the only thing they can respond with. Knightfall actually fits into the story very well but they cant reconcile with that.