>>1648267 Transformers is basically capeshit. It's not so different from other comics about large teams of characters, like say X-Men or Avengers. And it's nearly as confusing. The whole story of it literally started as a Marvel comic, and it shows.

I want a good vidya where I can play as Power Girl.

>>1650144 Mods are probably your best bet. Powergirl is in injustice 2 as a skin, but that game is bad. She’s also in a DC mmo. Tangent: It never ceases to amaze me how comical wonder woman’s origins are from a meta perspective. Some pseudo-intellectual thinks men need dommy mommies so he makes a comic about it. I wonder how women would feel if they knew the most famous female superhero of all time was some guy’s fetish bait. Jewgle it if you don’t believe me.

>>1650236 The first "woman" superhero was Madame Fatal, a character whose power is that he was actually a man and only dressed up as a woman because then bad guys would never suspect him as being a threat so he could just walk right up to them, then knock them out with man-strength punches. I once took a "History of Comics" class in college and pointed this out to the SJW professor. He was very mad that he was cornered because he couldn't say that it wasn't a "real woman," even though obviously everyone knows it was a man, and the story is basically about that. He had to pretend he liked it. Anyway, in some '90s JSA comics they said that Madame Fatal had died of old age, and that it's unfortunate that he's now a laughing stock whose grave is only visited by gays who don't actually care about him. The first actual woman superhero was Red Tornado, premiering about six months after Madame Fatal. She was a comedy character, a fat middle aged mom who, inspired by her son's love of Green Lantern, dressed up in a shoddy homemade costume and bumbled around, sometimes actually managing to foil villains. For all her comedy, though, she was a founding member of the Justice Society of America, but basically just as a comedic cameo. I don't think she actually helped them out in any of their original adventures, though I'm sure they retconned her into being actually a badass in the '80s or later. Her secret identity, Ma Hunkel, actually predated Madame Fatal by about a year as a supporting character in a comedy comic, but she didn't become a superhero until a bit later. Despite Ma Hunkel actually being a pretty well liked character among fans, feminists refuse to acknowledge her as the first female superhero. She's not an uber famous character that casuals know, and they probably consider her bumbling to be sexist, even though it's not like comedically bumbling around is a female stereotype, it's a fat person stereotype, and that's the joke they were doing. But she's a well liked character by fans because not only is she kind of funny, and real fans love comics history, but also she is actually a good person who loves her family and just wants to make her son happy and also help people out. She's not some pompous piece of political propaganda, she's an everyman, and that's what makes her endearing. In the '60s, DC would do a Justice League story where a robot claiming to be The Red Tornado shows up at the Justice Society HQ, and since nobody actually knew the Red Tornado's secret identity, they aren't really sure what's going on, but don't immediately dismiss the idea, despite the fact that the original Red Tornado was a big fat person with no powers (but with breasts, but I'm not sure if everyone just figured those were fat guy moobs), and the new Red Tornado is a sleek red robot with tornado powers. It's a weird world, so maybe The Red Tornado had some crazy adventures that turned her into a robot. Turns out the new Red Tornado was a spy created by previous Justice League villain Professor T.O. Morrow. Morrow lived on Earth-One, and I'm not sure how he learned about, let alone learned how to travel to, Earth-Two, but he's a smart guy, so he made a machine to do it. He deliberately called the thing Red Tornado so it could pass itself off as the previous Red Tornado, even though they had nothing in common. But the robot was actually sentient and became a good guy instead, joining the Justice Society for real. Not terribly long after, it was revealed that this Red Tornado was actually inhabited by a different previous Adam Strange/Justice League villain, a red wind spirit called The Tornado Tyrant. So originally this guy named Ulthoon, The Tornado Tyrant, with a flying machine that made tornadoes showed up to conquer Adam Strange's adopted homeworld of Rann. He was defeated, but kept an eye on Strange, and eventually saw him team up with the Justice League to fight space pirate Kanjar Ro. Inspired by the Justice League's heroics, he became good and called himself The Tornado Champion, but he was still kind of crazy, so he also split himself in two, with the villainous half still being the Tornado Tyrant, so the Champion would have someone to fight. But then he defeated his evil self and became a good guy. And then somehow T.O. Morrow captured this spirit and put it in his robot, which is how the Red Tornado robot has tornado powers. Decades after this they'd start running with the idea that Ulthoon is the spirit's real name, and originally he did have a body and was the prince of an alien planet or something, and also he's a Wind Elemental, so basically a god of wind. And somehow, despite the extreme autism of comics which have managed to connect things like the modern-day Aladdin Green Lantern of Earth-Two to the spacecop Green Lantern Corps of Earth-One, or the reincarnated pharaoh Hawkman of Earth-Two to the alien spacecop of Earth-One (but he's not a cop of space, like Green Lantern, he's just a cop from space), I don't think they ever actually bothered to connect Ma Hunkel to Ulthoon in any way, beyond T.O. Morrow figuring he could steal her superhero name and somehow pass off a totally different being as being the same character. Maybe they have and I missed it, because it's not like she never appeared again, but it didn't become a big part of lore or anything, since the appeal of Ma Hunkel is that she's an everyman. Anyway both these characters predate Wonder Woman and are more interesting. Wonder Woman is lame and the closest they've ever gotten to making her interesting is by using her as an excuse to tell stories about the Greek Gods, but even that is never done as well as when Thor is used to tell stories about the Norse Gods, for example, because Wonder Woman is constantly hamstrung by the need to represent feminism, and therefore isn't allowed to have character flaws, face significant challenges, or basically do anything that is required to tell a good story. People will say these things about Superman, but they just don't read Superman stories. They really apply to Wonder Woman stories, though. The few stories that do make Wonder Woman somewhat interesting get DC a bunch of feminists complaining on Twitter, so they don't get to do them often at all.

>>1650555 WW comics also character-assassinated Hercules because feminism.

>>1650555 >Ma Hunkel I'm pretty sure she was in Kingdom Come, in a more advanced powered armor. Or possibly it was one of her kids.

>>1650573 DC Hercules is very confusing. Though he's a Wonder Woman villain, due to Wonder Woman's mom being Hippolyta from Greek mythology (and treated as a good guy, since she's Wonder Woman's mom), he's a hero in the post-apocalyptic future that follows "The Great Disaster," which is basically a nuclear WWIII that takes place in late 1986. Note that's immediately after The Crisis on Infinite Earths happens, but all these stories came out years or decades earlier. Clearly it was meant to be the canon future at a point, and you could sort of even justify it not being that by saying that The Crisis on Infinite Earths changed history (which it did). But anyway The Great Disaster timeline includes multiple series, like The Atomic Knights, a group of dudes who found medieval knight armor which happened to be made of just the right alloy to protect them from nuclear radiation so they could go out and help people in this fucked up world. Later, after the world has slightly started to heal, there is a series called Hercules Unbound, where he is freed from imprisonment to find the world very different from the one he knows, and then he goes around doing superhero stuff. You could almost convince yourself he was imprisoned due to his villainy in Wonder Woman stories, but there's a significant caveat to that, which I'll get to later. The most famous series in this future, though, is Kamandi: The Last Boy On Earth. See, Jack Kirby quit Marvel due to lack of creative control, as they wouldn't let him finish his Thor story and do Ragnarok, as it would have involved killing off all the Gods, who were popular and marketable characters. So he was headhunted by DC instead, as they promised him he could tell his epic Fourth World Saga, which was blatantly his way of finishing ideas he started but didn't get to finish in Thor. They lied. They cancelled all his Fourth World shit and didn't let him finish it because it would have involved killing off all the Gods, who were popular and marketable characters. But he was still under contract to DC, and Planet of the Apes was very popular at the time, so they forced him to make a ripoff series. That series was called Kamandi, The Last Boy On Earth, which was basically Planet of the Tigers (and other animals, but not many apes, even though there were many superintelligent apes, including a whole Gorilla City, in present-day DC Comics). Since this was Jack Kirby, it was still pretty good, and is still a classic. So later stories set in post-apocalyptic futures tried to give hints that they were set in the same future as Kamandi, though usually before it (since Kamandi is "the last boy.") Anyway, the caveat with this Hercules being the one from Wonder Woman stories is that his backstory says he was imprisoned since mythological times, not since the present, when he would have been fighting Wonder Woman. Also, in the '80s, they did a story where the lead Atomic Knight, Gardener Grayle, woke up, revealing that the entire timeline was just a dream. Also there was a story where Superman went to this future and they said it was an alternate universe, but again that was long after most of these stories were published. Later, after Infinite Crisis restored the Multiverse, this future again existed but as an alternate universe, but also there are tons of hints in the main timeline about Kamandi still existing in the main timeline future. However, there are two futures, and in the other future the guy who would have been Kamandi instead becomes Buddy Blank, AKA the original OMAC (One Man Army Corps, basically a cyborg), which is another series created by Jack Kirby around the same time in the '70s. Well, he's the original OMAC in publication order. In chronological order OMACs first appeared in the mid-2000s when Batman got and wanted to take precautions just in case the Justice League turned evil, so he made a superintelligent spy satellite called Brother Eye, which he gave all the secret info of the whole Justice League. Brother Eye was also in the original OMAC series from the '70s, but they didn't say it was made by Batman, and it wasn't evil. Because obviously Brother Eye becomes evil, because former Justice League owner/manager Maxwell Lord (who is a blatant Donald Trump parody, but '80s Trump, so he was still a good guy) also became scared of the possibility of the Justice League turning evil, so he hacked Brother Eye and used it to turn a bunch of people into OMACs, only now they didn't have free will and went around wrecking shit. But a couple end up getting Free Will over the years and become good guys. Also Maxwell Lord had developed mind control powers and used them to make Superman fight Wonder Woman, and since Wonder Woman is a warrior, she just solved the problem by snapping Lord's neck. But Lord broadcast the battle on live TV, so everyone saw Wonder Woman do it and didn't trust her anymore. Turns out all of this was actually being manipulated by Alexander Luthor, Jr. of Earth-Three, who was a hero in the Crisis on Infinite Earths but was now mad that his world was dead and the new world kinda sucked. It all went just like keikaku, and this led to Infinite Crisis, when he tried to recreate the multiverse by destroying the main universe, resulting in every superhero in the universe having to fight him and his Secret Society of Supervillains. Ruining the public's trust in the three most famous and influential superheroes was a big part of his plan. Anyway it didn't work, and then after he was defeated, The Joker killed him because Alex didn't invite him to join the Secret Society, because he's too unpredictable. Anyway after all that Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman took a year off, because Batman and Wonder Woman felt they had done some bad stuff and needed to reevaluate things (even though Lord kind of had it coming). Superman was mind controlled, so he probably shouldn't have felt that bad, but he also lost his powers for a year when he and Superman of Earth-Two (the original Superman from Action Comics #1) flew Superboy-Prime through Rao, the Red Sun of Krypton, so he would lose his powers and could be defeated. Of course this also resulted in the two good Supermen losing their powers (and the original Superman actually died). So he didn't have powers for a year, so he also took the year off. So anyway this is all why that horrible movie, Wonder Woman 1984, has Maxwell Lord as the villain. Because even though they only really have this one meaningful interaction, it's one of the most memorable Wonder Woman moments, because she doesn't really have many memorable moments. And of course Maxwell Lord sucks if you don't have previous stories where he's actually a good guy so you can build up his character and make it a twist when he turns. Really the best part of the whole story isn't even anything I mentioned, it's when Blue Beetle fights Maxwell Lord. But it was one of the white Blue Beetles, so when they did the Blue Beetle movie they just skipped over that character and moved on to his successor, who is Mexican, even though a big part of what makes that guy interesting is the Blue Beetle legacy, which now doesn't exist in the movie. Also, in Wonder Woman 1984, since the first was set in WWI for some reason (Wonder Woman had previous WWII stories, but no WWI stories. Superheroes didn't even exist in WWI), they had the ghost of her love interest, Steve Trevor, possess some guy in the '80s, and then they bone. So Wonder Woman raped some dude in 1984. And then that would make it so Maxwell Lord couldn't exist in the present and do all the Justice League International stories that he's actually important in. But well that movie sucked so hard they rebooted the whole universe, and the new Superman movie has a new Maxwell Lord, but I'm sure they'll ruin him too.

>>1650555 >"History of Comics" class in college First, that explains sooooo much. Second, why? Why does it exist? Why would someone take it? Is it even credit towards a degree? I get it's been over 80 years but come on.

>>1648267 >>1649108 Also Rom Spaceknight

>>1650700 It counted as an elective credit, so it did help me get my degree, and I figured it would be easy because I was already mega autistic for comics. It wasn't easy, because I was much more knowledgeable than the professor, and it was way too hard to hide my power level. Here are some other things that pissed me off. >He didn't know who Dan DeCarlo was (he's the artist everyone thinks of when they think of Archie. He is the guy whose style is now completely associated with those characters). >He said Supergirl was sexist because they call her a girl and not a woman, because he didn't know that Supergirl is literally a child, like Superboy. (I should have told him that the actual character called Superwoman is a villain. He would have lost his shit.) >He never heard of Madame Fatal or The Red Tornado, and spent an entire three hour class on how Wonder Woman was the first female superhero. >He never heard of The Spectre. (He went on and on about a hipster indie comic called Jimmy Corrigan: The Smartest Boy On Earth, but had no idea what I was talking about when I pointed out that Jim Corrigan is also the secret identity of The Spectre, a major character created by the same guys who made Superman, still featured prominently to this day. Keep in mind this is a class where the point was coming up with every possible association possible, because we were "deep reading." So we were supposed to analyze Little Orphan Annie's dress color in some random Sunday strip from the '40s, because it was red, so clearly that was a communist reference to clash against the capitalism of Daddy Warbucks. But no, it's crazy to think that a guy who makes comics for a living naming his book the same name as a character made by the guys who made Superman might have had some sort of connection). >He never heard of Flex Mentallo or even Charles Atlas, who was just a real guy. But he went on and on about female body image, so I tried to point out the classic Charles Atlas comic ad that did everything he said female characters did to women's psychology, but to men, and explicitly, and how it was famous enough to inspire a very acclaimed and popular work like Flex Mentallo. You'd think a hipster like him would at least know the works of Grant Morrison. >Got mad at The Dark Knight Returns because it's basically about how stupid libs called Batman fascist and helped bring about the basically post-apocalyptic Gotham City in the story (which was really just present-day '80s New York). He was mad because clearly Batman is a fascist. Anyway the course wasn't supposed to be a history of in-universe shit like I like talking about, but about the evolution of the medium. Art History. But any class where you analyze art expects you to be autistic about the medium so that you can understand allusions, and comics are absolutely full of allusions, so you kind of need to know in-universe shit to really understand things. But the fact that he didn't know the very basics of Supergirl didn't stop him from complaining about her. And he didn't even know out of universe stuff if he never even heard of Dan DeCarlo, who might have a claim to the most imitated comic artist ever. The stuff I know you can't learn from a single semester at a school. It takes years of autism. Though honestly I had only been really into comics for two or three years by the time I took this course, and I still knew way more than the professor. The guy was just there to push his ideology, like practically all college professors.

>>1650729 >didn't know who the Spectre is What kind of surface level fuckstick was this "professor"? Actually it was probably for the best. He would have not have coped well with a heroic character that is the avenging wrath of God with a big G.

Sweet Baby's influence is always still there. The PS5 Wolverine game is finally officially revealed but already we see Mystique get hit with the ugly stick looking like another square jawed 40 year old woman. Just like Mary Jane. Dread what Jean Grey will look like in the final game. Bad enough Debra Wilson as Callisto was leaked to be in it.

>>1789270 I'd put the blame more on those who hire Sweet Baby. They are only consultants and it's up to devs and publishers if they actually need their feedback.

>>1789270 I've heard someone explain that the bug eyed black lady is basically a default asset for facial capture, since she was one of the first actors to get fully motion and face capped for videogame models. Which would make sense as to why she's everywhere but also doesn't really sound true. Wasn't it also shown that M(an)J(aw) was a literal self-insert for one of the female devs on the team, who looked exactly the same as their take on MJ?

>>1794160 We know Sweet Baby worked on Spider-man 2 so there's no doubt they definitely did the same for Wolverine. Insomniac should've gone back & redid the models though. Like at least make Mystique more feminine with actually noticeable breasts & ass. >>1794170 An intern writer who looks suspiciously close at least.

>>1794203 That's far more than suspiciously close.

>>1794377 Can't make any claims for sure but yes it does look extremely her & not the previous MJ model or the face model they used for the basis.

>>1545818 That crossover would have been amazing. I feel like the gaming industry didn't feel like taking chances on that and kinda forgot about that style overall. We could definitely have a comeback though, imagine a Splatoon-esque game with the detailed large maps of Prototype. Unfortunately devs would rather push out another shooter/MOBA/side platformer/farmer than deal with the physical complexities of that type of game.

>>1794203 It's always the creepy bitches with black eyes that are the worst type of people, zero soul in there.

I dislike capeshit, so I don't know why I keep buying capeshit games. I've had Injustice 1 in my library forever and never installed it. Got Injustice 2 as part of a WB bundle, and I immediately disliked it. Thought my nephew might like it, since he's into superheros, but he hated it too. Mostly because all my nieces and nephews are absolute dogshit at games, so he got his ass kicked, then whined because he couldn't play as Spider Man. So got a copy of Marvel vs. Capcom 3 Ultimate. I'm sure he'll love it for about five minutes, then realize that simply picking his favorite super-hero doesn't mean he's not going to get his ass handed to him on the Easiest difficulty. I also downloaded X-Men Children of the Atom and X-Men vs Street Fighter for the Sega Saturn. Not into Children of the Atom, but X-Men vs Street Fighter is pretty fucking fun from what I've played so far. Also downloaded Spiderman vs Kingpin for Sega Master System, which I only demo'd, but it seems like a pretty good game by Master System standards. I'm sure he'll hate it and will immediately go back to playing "Tap and you Win" on his dad's cell phone.

>>1798447 modern capeshit or all capeshit

All capeshit in general. I read X-Men & Wolverine comics briefly as a kid, about the same time they split between X-Men and Uncanny X-Men and backed out shortly after Phalanx Covenant/Generation X. The shit was so convoluted having to follow multiple different comics and all the crossovers and all the different characters who I swear to Christ they would purposefully cross-reference just so you had to buy more books just to know what the fuck they were talking about and what was going on. Really, what put me over the edge was getting busted skipping school and being forced to help my mom around the house while she watched her soap operas... and something just clicked in me that my comics were the same fucking thing as my mom's soaps - just with punching and tights. In general, I don't even think it's the comic characters that I dislike. They're corny, yeah, but corny can be fun. It's a distaste for open-ended story telling which have zero sense for a beginning, middle, or definitive end to the story. It kills the pacing, ruins any kind of real stakes, and turns storylines into convoluted spaghetti that just gets dumber and dumber with each new issue. The odd limited series here and there are pretty ok, like pic related, but it still carries a lot of baggage from the mainline comics. It's not like a read a whole lot of Manga either, but I've taken to those if I want to read a graphic novel, because at least those tend to have a proper narrative structure, even if you have to eat a lot of shit filler to eventually get to the payoff.

>>1798491 X-men comics are very convoluted even without the constant retcons.

>>1798491 You're not wrong that most superhero comics are basically like soap operas. It wasn't always like that, but Spider-Man was clearly like that on purpose, and then others like Hulk and X-Men quickly followed, and eventually it seeped out into most superhero comics overall. If you check older stuff, especially Pre-Spider-Man, it's not really like that. But by the '70s, yeah, most superhero comics were like that. But then modern audiences don't like that comics from back then told mostly self-contained sci-fi/fantasy short stories. Modern audiences want long-form storytelling. And I don't even just mean with comics. TV has all gone this route. Ever since Breaking Bad came out, casuals all act like a show is inherently worse if you aren't expected to follow a story from episode to episode. Just sayin', though, X-Men is one of the most soap-y and most convoluted franchises there is. It's literally about a group of high school kids and their cool principal. It's basically if Boy Meets World had superpowers. It wasn't terribly convoluted at first, back in the '60s, but it got cancelled, and when it came back in the '70s and became very popular, they started doing all the spinoffs and crossovers, and yeah, by the '90s, it was insanely convoluted. Probably the most convoluted comic there was. Spider-Man had three series going on at any given time, but X-Men had X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, X-Force, Wolverine's solo series, and then characters like Beast would be on the Avengers sometimes, and other characters would get their own solo-series (or miniseries) occasionally, and there were massive crossovers very often, and then eventually there was Age of Apocalypse, which is a whole super confusing thing all on its own. I guess my point is that X-Men is pretty much the worst possible comic you can pick given the things you say you dislike. Others might not bug you as badly. If you're into short stories, just check older stuff. Fantastic Four was good at being pretty self-contained and stuck with relatively short stories throughout most of the '60s (the most famous FF story, "The Galactus Trilogy," is just three issues). Only one character is a teenager so it does have that X-Men angst, but it's not the whole thing. Or there is plenty of stuff from DC and Marvel that is superhero adjacent but not quite. They've had classic horror comics, westerns, war stories, etc. Then again if you're into horror you might just want to check out EC Comics like Tales from the Crypt or whatever. But if you want something more modern, there's a reason Saga of the Swamp Thing is such a classic. The other thing is to look at things in terms of story arcs. Like yeah, everyone knows at this point that The Death of Superman didn't stick, but if you read that whole story, the end, with him coming back to life, feels like an ending. You can stop reading there and it's the end of the story. Honestly the harder part of that story is finding the beginning. The continuity was full of weird stuff at that point, so the story has Lex Luthor running around disguised as his own son, and Supergirl is a psychic goo monster that just shapeshifts to look like Superman's cousin. But the ending feels fulfilling. Also, Spider-Man for Sega CD is basically a much better version of Spider-Man vs. The Kingpin. Well, if you find the Sega CD cutscenes and music charming rather than outdated. The theme song is awesome, though.

>>1798447 why the Sega Saturn versions of the Capcom Marvel fighters instead of the CPS2 versions (with Final Burn Alpha or something)

>>1803462 Mostly because I grew up way out in the country and didn't have access to arcades outside of what few older machines were at the local laundromats/restaurants. Getting to go to a proper arcade like the one at the mall or at Showbiz Pizza was pretty rare - so I tend to default to console versions when I emulate. Also, I just bought a new 8BitDo M30 pad and wanted to expand my Saturn collection to compliment it. My nieces and nephews are a bit stupid, so it's hard for them to abstract controller mapping - and console games will have prompts for buttons which match. Still need to get a few SNES retro pads for the Nintendo side of things. They're used to Playstation and Xbox controllers since they have those consoles at home, but you can still see the gears straining as they grind away behind their eyes when a game says to Press X.

>>1804060 >8BitDo M30 I got the controller recently myself, knowing jack shit about Saturn/Megadrive games other than a few basic ones. Would appreciate any recommendations, anons.

>>1804316 It's getting away from the thread theme, and there should be a chart floating around for /v/ recommended games. I would recommend Magic Knight Rayearth if you like magical girl shit. I was having a ton of fun with it until the Yasubase core shit itself and I had to reset my PC every 30 mins or so to stay above 5fps. Got some proper BIOS and switched over to Beetle Saturn, which is much more accurate, but my saves were borked beyond recovery by that point so I have to start over. Are Magical Girls technically capeshit? Gungriffon and Golden Axe: The Duel are worth checking out. Jamm a cute and best girl.

>>1804412 >Are Magical Girls technically capeshit? I think "capeshit" specifically implies American superheroes, or at least things with their style. That's why Kamen Rider isn't capeshit. It's a superhero series but with a very different style than American comics. There are equivalents of magical girls in American comics, but Zatanna is very far from being Sailor Moon. There are a few things that get a little closer, like Amethyst: Princess of Gemworld (which is also isekai, which are somewhat rare in American comics), but even then, I think it's like trying to say My Hero Academia is the same as American comics. It's clearly influenced, but it's also clearly a very different thing. The tone and styles of the home nation's works shine through too much to actually confuse them. Saying magical girls are capeshit is like saying Avatar or Teen Titans are anime. Of course there is the Spider-Man tokusatsu series, and Super Sentai technically originally arose from a licensing deal where they got to use Captain America. So there is crossover. But even then, compare the Japanese Spider-Man tv series to the American one from the same time. It's not the same. And not just because the American one didn't have the budget for as much action. The American one is somewhat faithful to the comics, at least in tone, and it shows. The Japanese was just some batshit insane thing that's a lot more fun, but has very little to do with anything from the comics.

>>1804412 >It's getting away from the thread theme >You know who wears a cloak? Wiz N Liz >You know who saves their home planet? Toejam N Earl >You know who the hero we all deserved is? Buggerman I think X-Men came with a comic in the manual if you lived in NA, but in europoor, the translating it into many languages part of it sucked so they never were gave one

>>1804721 For western magical girls, I usually think of stuff like WINX and W.I.T.C.H. both having comics and cartoon adaptations. The latter example, was also an isekai, as the girls would go back and forth from the real world to the magical world. There were other shows that had girl protagonist who had magical abilities and fought monsters, but did not transform, such as Juniper Lee and more recently, Star vs the Forces of Evil.

>>1805092 Winx and WITCH aren't capeshit at all though. Aren't they French or something? I think there is pretty significant cultural divide there. I could hear an argument for Jonah Hex or The Creature Commandos being "capeshit," but Asterix isn't. And it's not just because they aren't guys in capes flying around modern day cities or outer space. There's a pretty drastic tonal difference. Even within America, I don't think it's right to call The Crow "capeshit" even though it's effectively a superhero story. On the other hand, nobody thinks of GI Joe or Transformers as superheroes, but reading the comics (which were basically adapted into the cartoons, especially later ones), I can hardly tell the difference. Most superheroes aren't giant robots, but the Transformers are. Tonally and stylistically their stories are pretty much the same. Brits have capeshit too though. Brits count as Americans for everything I said above. In fact, they make a lot of the best superhero stuff. Judge Dredd is arguably "capeshit." There I said it.

>>1806274 Winx is Italian, don't know about WITCH

>>1806274 I didn't say they were capeshit, only that they were examples of western magical girl.

>>1806389 Sure, but the original question was if magical girls are capeshit. That said, I suppose you raised a reasonable point that magical girls aren't purely Japanese. I am still tempted to say that capeshit is exclusively American and British though. And Canadian, like Wolverine. But they're basically Americans anyway.