>>1949771 upgrading is mostly a desire. even though the reality is the tech will always require new components elsewhere to progress many people wish for the ideal situation where something is future proof. It's a good thing PC components at least attempt to be backward compatable when possible. But yeah eventually there comes a wall and often a lot between the point of the inital tech release and the it's EOL all the upgrades are fairly marginal so most peopole don't bother. exteme example: I recently upgraded my CPU to a newer AM5. I had been using the first generation AM4 ryzen cpus since it launced and despite how long am4 lasted and how many upgrades there were i didn't feel a need to get any of them until AM5, which basically just had me build a new PC.

Can we anticipate that the Frame will be technically superior to the Index in every way? I find it hard to believe that wireless streaming can be as fast as a wired connection. For someone who doesn't care for eye-tracking or standalone use, would it be worth getting a Frame or would one be better off saving some shekels by snagging a second-hand Index from someone who's upgrading to a Frame when it releases?

>>1950959 Their wireless dongle is propriety, and they report an 8ms delay. So not as fast, but the delay is only 120th of a second. >For someone who doesn't care for eye-tracking or standalone use, would it be worth getting a Frame or would one be better off saving some shekels by snagging a second-hand Index from someone who's upgrading to a Frame when it releases? Wait for the prices and decide yourself. I saw complete Indexes kits going for $700, that will probably go down near the Frame launch but we still don't know its price.

>>1950976 The price will definitely be the deciding factor. I'm hoping the resolution increase will have Index users upgrading and drive second hand Index prices down. What are your thoughts on the Frame controllers? The more traditional button layout seems more accessible but it also looks less advanced than the knuckles' finger-sensing technology.

>>1951012 >it also looks less advanced than the knuckles' finger-sensing technology. It still has capacitive tracking for each finger, but we'll probably have to wait for reviews to see how that compares. They did drop the squeeze sensor, but I can't think of an use case other than those random props you can squeeze in Half Life Alyx. A button is probably more responsive, but I only used oculus controllers, so I'm probably not the right person to ask.

>>1948764 >500 is the sweet spot people will accept a higher price for the gabecube if you present the comparison by adding to the ps5/xbox whatever/switch 2 price however much it'd cost for a given period of online to match or surpass the gabecube and actively indicate that the gabecube won't cost that, bonus if you further indicate that the paid online console will only rise in cost from that point on

>>1949771 >1. Nonsensical Console and PC comparison. Retard. Literally valve's entry to the console market you stupidass steamie >PC upgrading is a fucking hoax even if this were true it's supremely retarded by valve to release an $800 machine that will be literal ewaste in 2 years towards the mid end of a console cycle

>>1950655 Well up until recently the price of a 128 bit ramchip configuration in an 8 gig fashion for GDDR6 was like $27, and I think $60 was for 16 gigs of vram on a 128 bit bus. Though the individual GPU dies have become wildly cheaper to manufacturer in bulk, and the yields have increased dramatically so prices of GPUs should at least be equalized instead of rapidly increasing for equivalent/similar speced chips like the Rx 7600 to Rx 9060, and the Rx 7800 xt to 9070 xt, hell the 9070 non XT costs more than the 7800 xt while it should be cheaper to manufacturer. I don't know with Nvidia however since their cards core configurations have changed drastically every generation starting with Ampere (Rtx 30 series), though I can definitely say an Rtx 5050 does in no way deserve to cost $250+ considering its approximately the same die area size as a gtx 750 Ti and even with inflation added into the mix the prices don't add up.

>>1950670 pure BS, if you're on AMD like any sane person their motherboard generations last half a decade at least now. you could go from a ryzen 1600 to whatever their latest am4 x3d is and have a generational leap in performance for $200

and even if you feel the compulsion to completely replace your mobo+cpu+gpu+ram every upgrade for some reason you're not considering the fact that for the gapecube you're rebuying the PSU, case & cooler every single time for what is ultimately a less versatile machine with less resale value than individual pc components

>>1950779 Mine is 6 years old and cost 150 I can upgrade 10 years is too long nigger

I'm saving up to build a new PC; should I save it for this instead?

>>1951119 >Literally valve's entry to the console market you stupidass steamie pics related, imbecile. >>1951188 still doesn't matter whatsoever for someone who built his pc 6-8 years ago, where it'll probably be an old ass gpu, 16gb of slow ddr4, slow/small ssd, as smarter than you anons have mentioned, upgrading one part leads to a bottleneck to another, most people dont care and leave it as is until they no longer can hold up, then get rid of the whole thing and start over. >>1951208 >completely replace your mobo+cpu+gpu+ram every upgrade This retard still doesn't get the idea. That "every time" you refer to, is 6-8 years for most people, of course the whole thing is old junk by then, the parts that can still be salvageable and carried over for the upgrade would be less than the ones that will be sold/discarded. >>1951208 >you're not considering the fact that for the gapecube you're rebuying the PSU, case & cooler every single time read my messages again, slowly. >>1951342 If youre used to PCs and dont mind the less streamlined experience compared to one given by consoles, a regular PC is probably better. Opposite is true.

>>1951352 A regular PC then. Can I post my build and get an opinion on it?

>>1951352 I love that the simple act of having a pc plugged into a bigscreen is mindbreaking people this badly.

>>1951358 The dedicated PC hardware board would probably be a better place to ask. Here, people are too busy claiming the Steam Machine is a console.

>>1951363 Will do, but, it's not a console? Yeah it looks like one, but it's more like a Steam Deck with more dedicated hardware and less portability.

>>1951352 >pics related, imbecile. A console is just a plug & play PC nowadays. The gapecube is exactly that, a plug & play PC. >still doesn't matter whatsoever for someone who built his pc 6-8 years ago Yeah it does, because the x3d am4 chips will be capable CPUs for years after they release meaning you can easily span 7 years on each CPU, 1 motherboard per two console cycles potentially. Meanwhile the cube is literally useless for AAA 2 years after release. > of slow ddr4 ram speed is an issue with approximately zero games years after ddr4's depreciation and that isn't going to change >slow/small ssd ssd speeds are an issue with approximately zero games years after NVME released, it literally doesn't matter what generation of NVME you're on. As for size, exact same issue with the 500gbs you're getting on the lowest cube with no upgrade path besides completely replacing the SSD, enjoy paying 4x as much for a 4TB ssd over 2x 2tb SSDs >of course the whole thing is old junk by then BS, even 8 year old hardware is useful, for HTPCs and home servers for example, which the gapecube will be completely useless for. Also the ATX case standard hasn't changed in 30 years you would have to be retarded to throw away your case every upgrade even if it was every 8 years, similar story with your PSU.

>>1928653 >In all but sales, the Steam Deck ate Nintendo's lunch

>>1951473 >A console is just a plug & play PC nowadays. Sadly theyre all super locked down systems, to do anything you need to either modchip them or do kernel exploits and even then its not certain whether you can install a different OS

>>1951473 >A console is just a plug & play PC nowadays If this was true, I would have already bought a Series X in its first year. Except Microsoft/Xbox had already locked down the firmware to having multiple anti-jailbreak measures including online passkeys and certs, and I'm not paying even more damn money for a ""Developer Mode"" for Windows 10.

>>1950670 >Outside of slotting in some more ram or storage, upgrading any one part usually means replacing the motherboard, which usually means half of the build is no longer compatible and also needs to be replaced. Honestly Apple had it dialed in with their tower for the casual home market like 10 years ago. The modern ones look pretty good too. Unfortunately Apple being Apple prices them for the "pro" audience and markets iSlop to the casual audience.

Honestly, I think this thing is going to be a flop. The weakish hardware isn't the problem, but the fact they're being so cagey on price means it's going to be expensive, and that's what will kill it.

>>1952308 Yeah that's my concern too.

all this price talk got me interested, how much do the different steam deck configs cost in the us? I assume europe prices are higher because of vat and shipping over an ocean drive them up Here are the eu prices (or at least in my east eu country if theyre different per country as well) >500 dollars for 256gb lcd >700 for 512gb oled >850 for 1tb oled

>>1952308 As long as they don't produce too many units for the machine, I think they might be fine.

>>1933567 Kill yourself. You're just as doomed as everyone else. You have zero value or hope of survival.

>>1952308 >the fact they're being so cagey on price It's probably because of the recent RAM issue. Also I don't follow american politics but maybe tarrifs too (?)

>>1952308 It could be 700 and still be worth it vs making it yourself, anything higher and it stops being worth buying altogether, I dunno what people are freaking out about a 700 mini ITX build that is competent is a perfectly fine price point and there's a non zero chance they'll undercut that to 600 which would be even better, just look at competing products and use your brain. >>1952727 The current RAM price explosion shouldn't affect it, not the first batch anyways, Valve has contracts guaranteeing them specific price since at the very least 6 months to 1 year or so before the thing is set to release, unless they're full fucking retard which I doubt.

>>1953227 >The current RAM price explosion shouldn't affect it, not the first batch anyways Sure, but wouldn't be awkward for Valve to jump up the price after the first batch, or announce a delay when the inventory is over ? This could explain why they're not revealing the price, waiting for the market to calm the f down first.

>>1953297 > This could explain why they're not revealing the price, waiting for the market to calm the f down first Market isn't coming back down until late 2026 at the very least. >or announce a delay when the inventory is over They already did that with the Deck, I don't think people would be too upset at that. >but wouldn't be awkward for Valve to jump up the price after the first batch It would but if everyone's doing it you just have to do it a bit less than others and you still come out of it fine usually. I'm thinking they're gonna be selling a barebones SKU (aka bring your own storage and RAM) anyways so that'll partially solve that issue.

>>1953333 >Market isn't coming back down until late 2026 at the very least. It's that bad then ? that's fucked up. >>1953333 >They already did that with the Deck Yeah but I think that was like out of their control and they probably have way more experience handling supply and demand now. >>1953333 >I'm thinking they're gonna be selling a barebones SKU (aka bring your own storage and RAM) anyways so that'll partially solve that issue. That'd be very interesting.

>>1953347 >It's that bad then ? that's fucked up. Welcome to the RAM cartel enjoy your assfucking, vaseline not included.

>>1952727 Nobody is saying it for fear of spergs screaming but I think tariffs are playing a huge part in the recent tech price surge, for the first time ever we're seeing consoles go up in price deeper into their life instead of down. The Steam Machine was in development for a very long time, Valve's engineers probably wanted it to be cheaper than it's going to end up being.

>>1954251 >but I think tariffs are playing a huge part in the recent tech price surge Yeah no shit, tariffs fucked the entire economy up. Only retards are still denying this.

>>1941109 This is better than I expected. They're not going to bother with the vendor driver and are going to use and improve the open source driver from the start.