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Visa and Mastercard have seemingly pressured Valve into changing its content policy; porn now under unspecified restrictions. Anonymous 07/16/2025 (Wed) 10:29:14 Id: c908fe No. 1567443
A new rule was added to Steam's publishing documentation. https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/gettingstarted/onboarding >15. Content that may violate the rules and standards set forth by Steam’s payment processors and related card networks and banks, or internet network providers. In particular, certain kinds of adult only content. There is actually a bill in Congress, with significant momentum (43 out of 100 senators co-sponsored. 50 needed to pass, 60 needed to get the vote to happen.), that would stop this shit. It has that momentum mostly because it's a general anti-debanking bill and after seeing Trump's bank drop him despite how fiduciaryily stupid it was Congress realizes they're going to be hit with it eventually. https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/401 https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/987 If you're an American you can call your legislative official and demand either (as applicable) >they add their name to the co-sponsor >it come to a vote and that it be amended to strengthen the prohibitions on "payment card networks" as they're weaker than the other sections (only banning "political or reputational risk considerations", which could easily be construed either way on porn or guns, a weakness at odds with the introduction.). To find your legislators https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative For calling, you want to have your name (ideally just give the NATO Phonetic alphabet spelling after it without prompting*.), zip code, return phone number, and the bill number (S401 for Senate or HR987 for House). I've been given conflicting claims on if the local office or DC office should be called, but as far as I can tell for just "support this bill" the best is whichever one has a human pick up the phone (an actual meeting is local office). *Realizing I can just say the phonetic spelling unprompted after being asked for my name on any phone call (not just political calls) and not have to wait to be asked to spell it then awkwardly go back and forth for them to get my name correct makes it something I genuinely wish I had learned to do decades earlier. ... Why the hell should payment processors be setting moral standards? Governments need to get these two under fucking control, money middle men should not have this kind of power. This is not the water cooler thread. Take your religious/political/off-topic stances to >>>/christian/ >>>/pol/ >>>/b/
Edited last time by Zoom on 07/21/2025 (Mon) 08:46:58.
>>1567443 Not that the should they have the power to do so and don't forget it's also the same moral faggot senators who were partying with Epstein at the loli island who ordered them to do so through legislation.
Fucking with Japan proved that they, in fact, can do anything.
>>1567443 >Governments need to get these two under fucking control, money middle men should not have this kind of power. You don't get it. The payment processors are doing this at the behest of the government, so that it wouldn't get accused of censorship. <Oh no, we are not infringing on your First Amendment, it's just """private companies""" that happen to do what we ask them to do. Don't forget to vote!
>>1567443 >Why the hell should payment processors be setting moral standards? I would say the reason but that would be anti semitic
>>1567459 I find that hard to believe, I can't speak to the motivation by payment processors but I wouldn't imagine practical businessmen would willingly engage in anything but good business without external pressure.
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There's something seriously messed up about the fact they are going so hard after fictional porn instead of 3D porn. Only one of those have the power to harm people and it isn't the one getting suppressed at every turn nowadays.
>>1567477 These payment jews probably have a stake in one of these porn companies like Mindgeek. If people pay and masturbate to hentai, they don't pay and masturbate on shit they can get a cut from.
I fucking hate that radical feminists and Jesus freaks have been lobbying card companies to block porn, and that it's somehow been working? I sure love commerce being at behest to the moral sensibilities of Mormons and femcels. >>1567469 Believe it or not, that's actually true. Exodus Cry and by extension the International House of Prayer have been a big pusher of Visa and Mastercard's anti-porn policies.
>>1567483 Who pays for porn? The only market I can imagine for any porn media is games now unless you're a habitual computer illiterate coomer.
>>1567477 One has the jews being the major stakeholders in it other has non jews having major stakeholders in it. It's about monopoly. Through monopoly is easiest to enforce dogmas on seemingly "democratic" means. American political class already semi-proven of being compromised through mossad blackmailing given the recent events it's easy to put two and two together they doing it to have their (((blackmailers))) get their wish.
>>1567463 I forgot that (((private companies))) can dictate how the world runs. That is our clown world.
>>1567486 You know there is more than Jesus freaks and SJWs who are against porn, how about a subsect of natsocs, who think that porn is degeneracy pushed by kikes, and as such should be eliminated, alongside the kikes?
>>1567486 How does a lobby group pressure a private business, especially one that isn't even front facing one?
>>1567496 Porn is destructive tbf but then I'm never going to be in an actual relationship so let me fry my dopamine receptors in peace.
>>1567500 It's usually under the guise of "protecting women" and stopping human trafficking, it's puritanism masking as feminist moralfagging. >>1567504 I was going to mention that I think porn can be very psychological harmful to one's self, you only have to look at how many people get into erotic cannibalism "vore" to see that. But that's personal problem, not the role of the government, let alone random payment services, to deal with.
>>1567518 I understand the motive not the mechanics of how they apply pressure on the companies themselves. It can't just be threats of bad PR and shareholders pulling funds considering these companies are basically baked into the global financial system. They could come out as baby cannibals tomorrow and it wouldn't affect their bottomline.
>>1567443 I don't understand how this hasn't been raising more alarm bells. A private company is gaining full control over deciding what THEY think is ok. Actual dystopian insanity
>>1567532 It's because if you do speak out about it you'll end up being socially lynched. >"Why are you against censoring video game pornography that is clearly visually distinguishable from real life? You're a freak who rapes anything with a hole in real life aren't you?" Frankly the vast majority just doesn't care, and a big part of those who do care have something to lose from speaking out about this. And those who don't have anything to lose are also typically social outcasts no one listens to anyways. Honestly if I do end up becoming a famous person, I would actually be very vocal about targeting real life sexual abuse first before going after cartoon/comic pornography, since those actually hurt real people. >but fiction can influence people into doing it in reality Remember when GTA players started causing traffic accidents and murders? When Counter Strike encouraged shooting incidents? Me neither. Ultimately people have developed the ability to distinguish fiction from reality and should have been raised with a moral compass that would tell them what not to apply to reality. Failure to do so is the fault of their parents and educators, and should not be the burden of the rest of the society through blanket content restrictions to accommodate the people who are of not sound enough mind to mindlessly apply anything they see in fiction to reality. <private company That's also a big factor like what others have already said. Even if they're one of the major payment processors, they're ultimately still an "optional" service that has alternatives. Speaking of which, are there alternatives to Visa and Mastercard that aren't pushing for this shit? I doubt JCB is going to open to non-Japanese en masse anytime soon.
Is there any news on Nips establishing their own payment processor? It's been circulating for a while and it would be an easy way to work around Visa or Mastercard if they don't hold what is practically a monopoly on people's ability to pay worldwide. >>1567459 I'm not sure if it's "christian nationalists" when they keep using the wording of feminists and the like when acting out like this.
>>1567550 > are there alternatives to Visa and Mastercard that aren't pushing for this shit? The only alternative that might propose something different would be Discover. They are also a payment processor and since they were acquired by Capital One, its likely they will become a larger payment processor in the next decade or so. American Express, the "first" credit card and payment processor has some pretty high fees for transactions so its unlikely they get a foothold larger than their footprint already. In some ways, there's been conversations in congress to reduce the influence of payment processors, but as other anons in the thread have discussed, it might simply be lip service, or in some cases it was only concerned with conservative voices being censored via online payment processors such as Paypal and Venmo.
>>1567457 >Not that the should they have
If worse comes to worst, direct downloads and donation boxes will probably be the only way going forward. Although, can they possibly just paywall a text based key on one website and provide a download on another unrelated website where you need to input that key? Kind of like a gift card or crypto. They won't even have to state what the key is for. Buying the key would immediately give the money to the developer. They can pretend it's just a tip jar or they'll have to ban cross-site activity. The developer will be able to fetch the valid keys and use that on his website.
>>1567609 It'd be a decent method if adult porn games weren't all garbage not worth buying.
>>1567631 Ideally developers would also put out proper demos which you can play to see if it's worth donating $5 or $10 for.
>>1567631 >adult porn games as opposed to Democrat activism games?
>>1567679 No, as opposed to SFW porn games.
>>1567460 Yet Japan rejects their demands and goes their own way more and more everyday, they arent all powerfull and still relie on goodwill of nations.
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>>1567459 >>1567477 It wouldn't hurt for the pendulum to swing back left a little. Rightwing politics has been too mainstream for its own good for a while now. They're getting too cocky.
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>>1567710 You are actually retarded. There are incorrect on multiple aspects here, but chief among them - these are not banks. They're not even close to banks, they're parasitic middle men who handle transactions. You are pretending to follow some libertarian ideology, a flawed political philosophy that requires a rounded understanding of Austrian economics to be remotely coherent, while not understanding the basics of the financial system. Read On The Wealth of Nations and The General Theory of Employment immediately and report back with a 140 page essay on why Murray Rothbard needs to suffer damnatio memoriae.
>>1567477 They have stakes in Mindgeek, these people are absolute scum.
>>1567732 That rightwing politics has gone mainstream?
Since they're both American companies, could the US government slap them in the face and tell them to quiet down if given incentive to do so? I'm trying to think of what could actually be done about it from the user's front. A mass boycott is unlikely given how much American economy is centered on credit. Maybe a massive fundraiser to establish and independent payment processor specifically aimed at the type of content Visa and MC try to censor? since the volume would be small compared to theirs, the demand for processing speed and capacity would be way smaller too, so it might be viable. Strikes or something like SKG would have to be fucking massive for these companies to care so I doubt it would be an option.
Shit like this is the reason bitcoin was pushed so goddamned hard.
>>1567748 I don't think you realize just how powerful these companies are. If Microsoft is the Feds unofficial tech branch, VISA and Mastercard are the Feds unofficial credit cartel.
>>1567753 >those shitty balloon breasts delete this
>>1567762 Same engine as Senran Kagura by the way
>>1567760 I know they are massively powerful, but precisely because they are the "unofficial credit cartel" there is a limit to how much they can do before being exposed, which I assume is something neither them nor the feds want to happen.
They did this with DLsite ages ago. Certain tags are now blocked for foreign IPs and some tags were renamed to seem like less fucked up, like gangbang is now sharing is caring. I'm shocked it took them this long to get to steam. As far as I'm aware this is only driven by Visa and Mastercard. There might be a possible coalition to be made with OnlyFans' models, NSFW content creators on Patron and their supporters as well as people who buy porn in general to push back. Unless anyone can dig up proof that Discover Card is involved with this, a public campaign to change from Banks that back their cards with Visa and MasterCard and to swap to Banks that back their cards with Discover as well as closing Visa and MasterCard credit cards (a much bigger ask as it can impact credit scores) and opening Discover Cards (again a bigger ask). That said, switching as an individual is not enough. This must be a collective action, otherwise Visa and MasterCard will have no fear or losing business, and Discover or any other credit company that may be found as a substitute will have no incentive to fight back against these pressures
>>1567723 >trying to concern troll >on fucking 8chan my sides
>>1567778 >(again a bigger ask). Derp forgot to finish my thought. Swapping to Discover card would hurt the Credit Card companies bottom lines and act as an incentive to not cave to pressures from lobby groups, as well as create an incentive for Discover to not support such actions.
>>1567733 >They're not even close to banks They're literally a toof of worldwide banking, MasterCard was created by a bank conglomerate and VISA was created by BankofAmerica.
we don't hate the jews enough
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>>1567780 There's a certain elephant in the room censoring p0rn. If you don't like that policy, why not hold Republicans (& recent rightwing popularity) accountable to it?
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There is actually a bill in Congress, with significant momentum (43 out of 100 senators co-sponsored. 50 needed to pass, 60 needed to get the vote to happen.), that would stop this shit. It has that momentum mostly because it's a general anti-debanking bill and after seeing Trump's bank drop him despite how fiduciaryily stupid it was Congress realizes they're going to be hit with it eventually. https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/401 https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/987 If you're an American you can call your legislative official and demand either (as applicable) >they add their name to the co-sponsor >it come to a vote and that it be amended to strengthen the prohibitions on "payment card networks" as they're weaker than the other sections (only banning "political or reputational risk considerations", which could easily be construed either way on porn or guns, a weakness at odds with the introduction.).
>>1567986 >60 needed to get the vote to happen Good luck getting it to pass lol.
>>1567994 9 of them can be apathy rather than opposition. It's also a floodgate thing: Once one democrat is a co-sponsor (Relatively easy. It's pro porn and anti-bank and there's no real opposition outside of banks.) it becomes bi-partisan.
>>1567487 >unless you're a habitual computer illiterate coomer. You'd be fucking shocked. Though considering the neuron count of the average coombrain, you really shouldn't. >>1567494 >I forgot that (((public companies))) can dictate how the world runs. That is our clown world. tftfy >>1567550 >And those who don't have anything to lose are also typically social outcasts no one listens to anyways. This. Going after those without a voice is how the frog starts to boil.
>>1567986 >If you're an American you can call your legislative official and demand either (as applicable) I'm not gonna sit here and read all of that, especially since I'm not a buger, but if you think this has a shot at stopping this nonsense, don't just drop the article here, make as much of a big stint about it as Ross or folks like Louis Rossman did with their respective shit. Bonus points if you find other groups that were affected by this nonsense, especially if they're from ideologically different camps, and get THEM to do the hard work for you. >>1567907 Can someone from the cuckbelt testify that this has already been implemented? Cause for all the articles related to it, I've not seen anyone bitch and moan about it online. Genuinely curious what it looks like and which sites have bent the knee.
>>1568051 With the age verification thing, it seems like sites just geoblock your state. It only effects people too stupid to use a VPN.
>>1568051 >I've not seen anyone bitch and moan about it online What you're seeing are frogs sitting in a boiling pot. Because only Pornhub has really implemented it so far and it hasn't really taken effect. It is implemented in my state. However, I have seen more platforms gradually adopt it recently and ask for IDs like VRchat and Bubberstation on ss13 (which for Bubberstation you already have to go through Disc0rd, but point remaining) etc.
To add, Mastercard and Visa are the two debit card issuers for many of the credit unions and banks. I am unsure if debit users are affected by this. Fiscally chocking unsavoury businesses off can be traced back all the way to 2013 and Obama's Operation Choke Point, which was weaponizing the FDIC against "high-risk" businesses on paper, only for the practical victims to be artists, political commentators (Carl Benjamin) and death metal labels (Moribund Records). >>1567572 And yet, Discover isn't brought up in all of this.
>>1568061 >It only effects people too stupid to use a VPN. At this point though I don't think hiding behind the VPN trick is gonna cut it anymore. Either something's done at the legislation level to stop crap like this from occurring, or we just have to accept that the internet is completely fucked and we'd best move everything over I2P or something along those lines and archive everything ever. >>1567723 >>1567732 Stop thinking about this in a "sides" thing, political progress only comes from supporting ideas, not ideologies. The "right" cried and bitched about muh freeze peach, and look what they're doing with all that power now.
>>1568071 >However, I have seen more platforms gradually adopt it recently and ask for IDs like VRchat and Bubberstation on ss13 (which for Bubberstation you already have to go through Disc0rd, but point remaining) etc. Since these use third party systems, what would happen if you were to spoof your identity somehow?
>>1568075 >Stop thinking about this in a "sides" thing, political progress only comes from supporting ideas, not ideologies. This is mostly a rightwing issue right now. Republicans have a majority in Congress and the Presidency and they're censoring. Yeah, when Dems have power you get feminists and SJWs, but now it's evangelicals / concerned parenting which is the rightwing bloc.
>>1568093 He's not wrong, you have to consider that politicians are parasites who see "left" and "right" identities as nothing but things to cling on to to gain votes. The problem is that they are politicians first and foremost, their real ideologies are themselves, money and partaking in democratic propaganda material. You think you hate politicians but you don't hate them enough, if I were to say what should be done with them I would be breaking a few global rules.
>>1568105 Right, it's only a sheer coincidence age verification laws are ramping up in mostly Red states, nor the moralfaggotry inherent in conservatism (which ultimately bulks on evangelicalism / Christianity -- and which we're supposed to believe has no history wanting to censor porn or any prohibition whatsoever).
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Human_trafficking#Pornhub >Christian fundies (Exodus Cry, etc)-->Journalist-->Bill Ackman (vulture capitalist)-->Credit Card Companies (Of which a CEO just happens to be a friend of Ackman)
>>1568075 Well you do have to bully them into it. In a representative democarcy the only power you really have is threatening to not support "your side" or to even actively support the "other side" if "your" politicians go against your desires. They just have to be frightened about losing elections if they fuck with your shit. Republicans/conservatives just so happen to be the most vulnerable in this case. Not only are they the ones that are currently pushing a lot of this stuff but they're also the ones in the immediate past that lied about free speech to get back into power and have started doing a 180 AND ADDITIONALLY they are now culturally and politically in the defenders position rather than the attackers position so it's easier to tear them down. There's gaps being opened up because of the war stuff and the Epstein stuff too, so Republicans can be wedged into a more favorable position to stop with the moral police nonsense. All things considered it might not be such a bad thing if Democrats were to win a bit anyway to re-balance out the Supreme Court, given the decisions they've been making recently. The important thing is to remember that neither D's or R's are your friend and you should use them to get what you want and then abandon them when you don't. Because they plan on doing just that to you.
>>1568110 It's their own specific brand of bullshit, but bullshit that "the other side" also partakes in Politicians fucking love censorship
>>1568113 It makes me think if they think fictional stuff is a threat to their bussiness since it can be much more idealistic to people desires,deal with taboo and not involve real people shifting the focus from all those sites and 3D garbage which many of these people have their hands on
>>1568119 >Politicians fucking love censorship Yes but they love censorship that benefits their particular political brand. Liberals want you only to masturbate to creator owned, environmentally sustainable, racially sensitive, queer positive, lewds. Conservatives just don't want you to masturbate.
>>1568110 >Right, it's only a sheer coincidence age verification laws are ramping up in mostly Red states It doesn't matter who is doing it or why is doing it. Democrats would probably go after "extremist" pictures displaying anything they don't like, and the language of the bills would be exactly the same, down to the "protecting the children" part.. Concentrating on the "who" matters less than stopping it entirely in the first place.
>>1568126 >Concentrating on the "who" matters less than stopping it entirely in the first place. Concentrating on stopping it doesn't matter if you don't concentrate on who is doing it. This wouldn't be happening in the first place if someone wasn't doing it.
>>1568132 The predicate doesn't happen without the subject. There is a source to these actions.
>>1568132 >enlightened There's nothing particularly fancy that needs to be done. It's quite simple: >Democrats were acting up, so in response people started supporting Republicans >now Republicans were acting up, so in response people will have to support Democrats >or at least revoke support from Republicans (may be the better solution) Or to paraphrase O'l Dubya Republicans need a " thumpin' " in the mid terms and possiblt the next general election.
>>1568142 <vote right, vote left, vote right, vote left Thank goodness for No Party Preference.
I still think people need to start with the labels of left,right,center and stop thinking they "belong" to a certain group,strip this kind of worthless indentity from them and it gets harder for elites to mass manipulate like they do
>>1568148 What's left? Labelling based on opinions?
>>1568142 Basically, this edited Ben Garrison pic.
>>1568142 Yeah let's just wait a couple of years for the next amazing American election to solve our problems, I'm sure this will go smoothly. If that's the extent of what you think can be done then we might as well pack up and leave. Politics don't work like that. You can't expect this miniscule (in the grand scheme of things) issue to ever get reported to the winning party, or even that the winning party upholds their word, no matter who's in power. >>1567986 Think you can list the relevant phone numbers and US states to contact regarding that with the promise to NEVER EVER vooote for their respective party if this kind of law passes? >>1568074 >I am unsure if debit users are affected by this. I think it's irrelevant, if the biggest companies start doing something it's very likely that it becomes a de jure thing. I've interacted with a group of people who are enforcing anti-DEI practices now that Trump's in power because they've seen other companies do it. Mind you, these people aren't even American.
>>1568149 It doesn't matter "what it is", it just matters that someone indentify as belonging to such group
>>1567443 I don't like porn games on steam but I agree payment processors shouldn't be allowed to pressure storefronts. These things are between the customer, the store, and the government.
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>>1567723 >>1567907 Visa and Mastercard have been pulling this shit for decades, it doesn't have much to do with which shabbos goy is currently "leading" the burgers. They were pulling it while democrats were in power, they are pulling it while republicans are in power, they will pull it while whoever comes next is in power. American policy is simply not capable of affecting these corporations at any level meaningful to their decision making. This isn't something that was triggered due to any specific external conditions changing, Valve was just next on the list. >>1568142 >You voted for the new guys because the old guys were bad >now vote for the old guys again because the new guys are bad lol, lmao.
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>>1567468 >Mark did this
I'm not saying you have to support a party. Albeit I think anon shouldn't play colorblind. Most people would hope the conservatives would just deal with the trannies and LGBTQIA+ and other ultra-progressives like this video related, but now it's average joe beginning to take the brunt of prude policies. Either you grow some balls and support these anti-degen policies or suck it. I guess things don't catch up until they actually happen to you. How times have changed. >>1568171 >Visa and Mastercard have been pulling this shit for decades, it doesn't have much to do with which shabbos goy is currently "leading" the burgers Now have they? I'd like to see that history, anon. >American policy is simply not capable of affecting these corporations at any level meaningful to their decision making. Business is practically the arm of policy; governance of the populous doesn't only extent to the White House, but is enforced and practiced in the economy on the ground level with the lay people.
>>1568149 Just stop using labels. These kinds of people have existed throughout history, trying whatever they can to make themselves look better than they actually are by creating a scapegoat and sacrificing it. These people don't do it because they're "leftists" or "right-wingers" or whatever, they do it because it lets them point at something that isn't mainstream and say "Look at those weirdos, aren't they weird? How immoral/racist/etc! Who NEEDS these people's things anyways? It should be illegal to own them! Don't pay attention to me doing other unsavory things because I'm doing the right thing by getting rid of these people and their things!"
>>1568051 >make as much of a big stint about it as Ross or folks like Louis Rossman did with their respective shit. Do you have a major YouTube channel I can borrow? >>1568158 >Think you can list the relevant phone numbers and US states to contact regarding that There's 429 Congressmen (435 at the end of the year once the six vacancies are filled) and 100 Senators. Contact your own. They hate it when people do that https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative
>>1568171 >>1568152 It's not about switching your votes for the other guys, it's about eternally balancing between two different wolf pits. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, unfortunately. >>1568158 >Yeah let's just wait a couple of years Midterm is literally next year.
>>1568201 >Do you have a major YouTube channel I can borrow? You can probably hit Louis Rossman's channel, he's autistic enough to care. Other than that you'll ALWAYS be grassroots, because if the SKG debacle taught me anything is that people will not do anything unless you spoonfeed them all the required actions, even then they'll wait until someone they trust more than them gives them the go-to, idiots will try and make money off of your movement rather than support it look at how many people are still making videos about that piratefaggot rather than SKG and they'll wait the very last moment to act, if they act at all, if it actually inconveniences them personally. >Contact your own Again, not a burger, best I can do is pass it along to acquaintances >They hate it when people do that Yeah, but you need a script. They hate that you specifically say "you voted for them and thought they supported this issue, if they do not or no longer support it then you'll not vote for them any longer".
>>1567986 My state's reps already signed off on one and are probably soon to sign off on the other, seeing how its shaping up. Big thing is this needs to get pushed as a bi-partisan issue as all of these signers are Republicans.
>>1568229 >>1567986 It's a good solution. Republicans have become vulnerable in the past week so they may be more malleable on issues that will put their reelections at risk.
>>1568215 As a highly skilled political grognard, I don't think their notes are that complicated and they only care about volume. They just want your name, zip code, return phone number, and the bill number. >>1568229 Call anyways and tell them you want it amended to strengthen section 5's prohibitions on payment card networks and want it to come to a vote.
>>1568268 >As a highly skilled political grognard Do you have experience in the matter, or insider knowledge?
>>1568281 I was persistent enough got a meeting with my then congressman and his successor's district director on introducing new legislation. I have studied the subject enough to know volume and variety is critical (anything about handwriting a letter is a deliberate myth to keep you from contacting them)
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>>1567459 >Republican Party's bidding The card guys are full on left wing.
take away the yaoi doujins and yaoi bait from women and the problem will solve itself
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Wasn't there something about visa covering up for pornhub/mindgeek?
What's with this recent trend of centrists or left leaning types pretending payment processors are in bed with the Republicans, when Republicans were the first to be fucked by them? I'm not even a Republican and I'm questioning the logic.
>>1568304 Keeping people in the bindary party play pen in shartica?
>>1568192 >Now have they? I'd like to see that history, anon. If you want documentation then I'm going to disappoint you because I never bothered to keep any for what I considered a background issue. Their operations in Japan ramped up in 2014 due to a cooperative agreement with one of the zaibatsus handling phone/transit cards, before which they were floundering because the japanase love cash and faxing and hate digital currency. (Things that don't have physical form are haram in shinto, digital or spiritual entities must still be embodied or housed in a material medium otherwise they will lose themselves and turn evil). It took them a slight bit to actually entrench afterwards but within roughly a year they were already begining to try and pressure sellers starting from the smaller ones and heavily implying that they would really like it if more content moderation was applied, they didn't really pull out any of the big guns like deplatforming yet but there was grumbling around the time in japanese sources about the gaijin sticking their hand into their business, it was mentioned even back then that Visa and Mastercard had a habit of trying to get rid of r-18 content. The first commonly-known case of them pulling out the deplatform gun on a big entity was in 2019 with Patreon, though they never pulled the trigger and Patreon caved at the mere implication, their demands at the time heavily focused on removing all forms of hentai from the website with them officially saying they consider it csm. The wider entities the processors belonged to also funded some hit pieces targeting manga and anime afterwards, I remember one that aired during the pandemic where they were ambushing people outside a bookstore in tokyo and trying to lead them into saying something degenerate about the medium. Them getting confident enough to actually go big game hunting in Japan and to a lesser extent globally was during late 2021 and onwards, they were targeting commission services with them cutting off Skeb in summer 2022 who responded by making a crypto token to handle payments through instead of caving which might have scared an exec or something because they backed out on that specific decision later. Around those times they also cut off some global sites leading to the operator of gelbooru publicly considering the merits of switching to crypto after the it and danbooru also got hit with a few threats. 2023 had them taking aim at Pixiv which resulted in guideline changes in accordance with Mastercard's demands.Now, Pixiv doesn't really enforce those guidelines much so it didn't really matter until Jan 2024 where they did actually purge a whole bunch of stuff and clamped down for a bit on Fanbox (Pixiv's comission service) due to the payment processors ramping up the pressure on other targets, notably DLSite was in their direct crosshairs with it having to relabel everything in the non-japanese languages to avoid any of the keywords that were in Visa's nono list and later getting cut off from international purchases entirely around march because Visa wasn't satisfied with that. May 2024 had them cracking down on Niconico which isn't even a nsfw site, it's japanese youtube. They just wanted the power to curate the content to their desires. When I said Valve was next on the list I was imagining a literal list, I'm pretty sure they are actually just going in order at targets that they think they can get away with fucking over. I'm not american (and in fact do not live in the western hemisphere) so I never encountered or looked for more detail on their activities specifically in the west so if you want an account of that you'd have to find someone else.
>>1568304 There are conservative organizations lobbying them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_on_Sexual_Exploitation >In the early months of 2020, the National Center on Sexual Exploitation led a group of NGOs from around a dozen countries internationally in a grassroots public advocacy effort in hopes of pressuring payment processing companies to recognize the allegations of abuse and criminality being levied by groups like NCOSE against pornography websites and cut ties with them. In December 2020, in the wake of that campaign and a public awareness boost from an Opinion article about Pornhub by Nicholas Kristof in The New York Times, both Visa and Mastercard announced their intentions to end their work with Pornhub. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_Cry >Exodus Cry is an American Christian non-profit advocacy organization seeking the abolition of the legal commercial sex industry, including pornography, strip clubs, and sex work, as well as illegal sex trafficking. https://exoduscry.com/articles/2021-was-a-year-of-historic-wins-against-exploitative-porn/ >Through the Traffickinghub movement in 2020, we succeeded in globally exposing Pornhub’s complicity in criminal porn and in lobbying Visa, Mastercard, and Discover to cut ties with this predatory platform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_F._Kelly_Jr. >In 2020, Kelly was named a guardian for the Council for Inclusive Capitalism with the Vatican, which answers the call of Pope Francis to apply principles of morality to business and investment practices. TL;DR There is a connection to these payment processors and moralfaggotry via the Catholic Church and conservative lobbyists.
>>1568304 If I were to take a guess, the logic is that because Republicans currently control both houses of Congress and the Presidency, companies are expected to play ball with them to some degree, given how intertwined big companies and the state are. The only reason they'd make a stink about it now is because "their guys" aren't running the show. If nothing else, it's an explanation for the mass rollback of DEI policies in various industries. Even if it's becoming increasingly unpopular with the masses, a more DEI-friendly government would have disincentivized such changes.
As the poster of 1567986, if you're going to sticky something you should expand the OP for more details on calling. To find your legislators https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative For calling, you want to have your name (ideally just give the NATO Phonetic alphabet spelling after it without prompting*.), zip code, return phone number, and the bill number (S401 for Senate or HR987 for House). I've been given conflicting claims on if the local office or DC office should be called, but as far as I can tell for just "support this bill" the best is whichever one has a human pick up the phone (an actual meeting is local office). *Realizing I can just say the phonetic spelling unprompted after being asked for my name on any phone call (not just political calls) and not have to wait to be asked to spell it then awkwardly go back and forth for them to get my name correct makes it something I genuinely wish I had learned to do decades earlier. Thanks a lot, boss
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>>1568338 >Things that don't have physical form are haram in shinto, digital or spiritual entities must still be embodied or housed in a material medium otherwise they will lose themselves and turn evil. Not directly relevant but since I mentioned it this is also why anything that is based on "The Cloud" doesn't do well in Japan and why their academic efforts in regards to machine learning ("AI" is a marketing term, there is no intelligence present) focus almost entirely on running models locally.
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Is there also a way this can tie into some kind of OC where it shows game platforms used to having fanservice games or titles that were uncut until the payment processor problems worsened and they had to neuter them to play ball? Or is it too simplistic because there's other parties like rating boards (CERO being the reason Sakurai had to tone down upskirts in Smash Bros) & localizers?
With the SKG momentum, I think it would be great to divert that towards this as well. As annoying as them sticking their fingers into eroge is, that's a terrible precedent in general. Imagine if your card holder could stop you from buying from certain stores, or certain products. There fundamentally isn't much difference, just that blocking porn games isn't as politically dangerous.
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>>1568294 My question is why would the Left (which is for all kinds of sexual leniency and degeneracy) lobby this? The people who are pro-LGBTQIA+ and sexually libertine... I can't see their motive for targeting p0rn unless something-something feminism or think of the children.
>>1568369 Find out how to convince normalniggers when the games that are being killed are My Mom is a Futanari, My Mom & My Sister Want To Rape Me, etc.
>>1568304 Republican politicians unfortunately seem to exhibit short term political thinking. They immediately fall into >we're in power now so we're going to use the thing against the other guys that was used against us instead of the more wise position of dismantling the thing so that it won't be used against conservatives in the future when Republicans lose political control.
>>1567663 No one seems to draw the connection between such prevalent anti-Christian sentiment and the one (((ethnoreligious group))) that hates Christians more than anyone else--and does more to prove it than anyone else, with influence that stretches across the globe. Anyway, I knew this was coming. Steamfags can get ready for more of what happened to Omega Labyrinth Z--except it won't be limited to just those games that feminists already hate. >the rules and standards set forth by Steam’s payment processors and related card networks and banks, or internet network providers. Nebulous restrictions like this are made to be killswitches. Maybe now they'll learn that convenience isn't everything, and that one company nearly monopolizing an entire game platform isn't a good thing--I'm not betting on it, though. All of them love telling everyone else about how many empty promises they've bought from Valve, after all.
>>1568369 >With the SKG momentum, I think it would be great to divert that towards this as well I would however advise against linking the two issues together, because this indirectly weakens the position of SKG ("chuds only want to preserve games casue they're degenerates!!!"). Hit the usual e-celebs with it (alongside the instructions of the OP) to get the ball rolling. Also, lolbertarian content creators would be on it like a pitbull on a poodle, so make sure you mention it to them as well.
>>1568454 >lolbertarian content creators They exist?
>>1568392 But the payment processors and banks are mostly left wing.
>>1568369 SKG had the benefit of being able to tangibly show the potential consequences of its goals not being reached. Overwatch 1 was shut down, and anyone who purchased it could do nothing but spread their cheeks to get fucked by Blizzard with Overwatch 2. There are countless live service games and "always online" games that hold no guarantee of being playable after EoS. Payment processor consent is a different story. As far as I'm aware, they've currently only fucked over gun owners, animus, and a handful of individuals, and these aren't large enough to scare the general population into pushing back. Tell your average joe about this, and he'll either say "not my problem" or "they deserved it." There needs to be an incident with too vague reasoning or on someone that both doesn't have much dirt on him and is popular enough to be recognizable. >>1568376 Virtue signaling, either for personal satisfaction or to take eyes away from something else. It's so much easier to say "loli bad" than actually accomplish anything or face the fact that "Cuties" is still available on Netflix. This isn't an issue solely on the Left, either, since "loli bad" is a statement used by anyone who wants to pretend they're better than someone else.
>>1567443 >Another thread begging for more regulations I love the government. It is my friend. Only corporations are evil. There is surely nothing hidden in this bill that is against my interests.
>>1567572 >Is there any news on Nips establishing their own payment processor? It would likely subject any transactions to Nip laws about censoring genitals and anal penetration. >>1567477 >There's something seriously messed up about the fact they are going so hard after fictional porn instead of 3D porn Nigger, what the fuck are you smoking? Do you not recall just a few years ago when credit card companies forced PornHub and similar such sites to nuke 95% of their videos because "think of the children?" >>1567504 >Porn is destructive tbf but then I'm never going to be in an actual relationship so let me fry my dopamine receptors in peace. Experiences vary. I consume massive amounts of fictional porn, but even just talking about sexual things with a real woman of moderate attractiveness still gives me a boner. There often is a real psychological difference between 2D and 3D.
>>1568458 Well, the only two I can think about off the top of my head are MentisWave and TIKHistory, the former is a bit of an autista nd the latter is on a hiatus. https://yewtu.be/channel/UCqq5iqLTPwveEF2fpG2OzyA https://yewtu.be/channel/UCfZz8F37oSJ2rtcEJHM2kCg I think you might even convince some commietubers if you pose it as a threat to them next if this passes, but I don't know enough of them to get the ball rolling >>1568474 >As far as I'm aware, they've currently only fucked over gun owners, animus, and a handful of individuals, and these aren't large enough to scare the general population into pushing back Of course they aren't, but they're a start. You must always think small, start with a few guys that are most affected by it, get them to start making phone calls like the ones in the OP and then poach whoever might get in trouble for the issue at hand. It's not something you do yourself once and that's it, you're done. I've shilled SKG to whoever was getting caught in the live service trap and it worked, somewhat. >Tell your average joe about this, and he'll either say "not my problem" or "they deserved it." Exactly, but they'll also start doing it if the people they follow are getting hit by it. V-Tubers can probably swing way higher than you think.
>>1568376 Niggerpill and Willy/Lucy spam this site because they are mad that loli can be posted but they can't post CSAM. Do the math, they're mad that pedos can be quelled with mesugakis so they can no longer be exploited as useful idiots to blackmail and torture children and babies. It's like the current "we hate Israel" schtick when they ensured Biden's cabinet was filled with more than 70% Israeli dual citizens. Dimocrats operate by incredibly simplistic directionbrain logic where they think spouting whatever people want to hear means their asses are covered when they run illegal arson and landgrab schemes regardless of whether it's the literal opposite of what they were doing a few weeks before. They're still pulling the same rote Alinskyist projection accusation despite wider awareness of their bullshit. <I'm a numale feminist so you can't accuse me of sexual predation!
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>>1567733 >attacking the freedom companies is an attempt at libertarianism I think you got that backwards, buddy.
>>1568517 >I think you might even convince some commietubers if you pose it as a threat to them next if this passes, but I don't know enough of them to get the ball rolling Only remember vaush getting caught with horse loli
>>1568545 >Only remember vaush getting caught with horse loli People like Vaush only make it about themselves, so as funny as it sounds no, don't do that.
>>1568364 >Ingrained Japanese religious culture coincidentally makes them resistant to crypto scams and cloud service scams. That is pretty neat.
So are these the retards that caused this? >Open letter to payment processors profiting from rape, incest + child abuse games on Steam >Posted by Collective Shout 1015sc on July 11, 2025 >Media Release | Global anti-sexual exploitation leaders call on payment gateways to stop profiting from rape, incest and child abuse themed games >The letter is directed to Paypal, Mastercard, Visa, Paysafe Limited, Discover and Japan Credit Bureau. It follows our investigation which uncovered 500 games featuring violent sexual torture of women and children including incest-related abuse involving family members on the Steam and Itchoio gaming platforms >Collective Shout had earlier forced the removal of ‘No Mercy’ - a violent, sexually explicit video game that allowed users to roleplay as a character who rapes and tortures women - from the Steam platform following a viral global campaign which attracted over 70k signatures and international media. >Signatories to date are: Collective Shout, National Centre on Sexual Exploitation, (US), Exodus Cry, (US), Centre to End All Sexual Exploitation (UK), FiLiA (UK), Coalition Against Trafficking in Women Australia, along with Michael Salter, Professor and Director of Childlight East Asia and Pacific Hub, Kelly Humphries, survivor, speaker, advocate, DV & sexual violence consultant and Jon Rouse, former Argos posting on /leftypol/ual abuse detective now Professor at AiLECS Labs, Monash University and Childlight Hub. Find the full letter here. >As well as the open letter, the executives have so far been sent more than 1000 emails from concerned individuals. So 1000 emails , sure if people here can send a few thousands too? I swear to god i have told peopel to start sending direct emails to these companies https://archive.vn/ctI0J https://archive.vn/R0wgv Here for you retards if you want to do sometyhing start emailing the same people they emailed >The open letter calling on seven payment gateways to stop profiting from gamified violence against women and children is directed to Mr Alex Chriss, Chief Executive Officer and President, Paypal, Mr Michael Miebach, Chief Executive Officer, Mastercard, Mr Ryan McInerney, Chief Executive Officer, Visa, Mr Bruce Lowthers, Chief Executive Officer, Paysafe Limited, Mr Michael J. Shepherd Director and interim CEO and President, Discover and Mr Takayoshi Futae, President, CEO and Chairman, Japan Credit Bureau (JCB).
>>1568303 If by "covering up" you mean threatening to cut ties with unless they nuke 95% of their videos for not having age verified "actors", then yes, they covered up for PornHub, by forcing PornHub to nuke anything that could potentially be CP, even hentai and documentaries, since those things lacked age verified "actors".
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>>1568596 Getting Rapelay flashbacks
If this bill passes would it finally mean I can commission artists on skeb without Mastercard screeching at me that they do not consent? Tired of these kike faggots telling me I cant pay japs to draw giant lolis dropping Israeli buildings into their panties.
>>1568596 >So 1000 emails , sure if people here can send a few thousands too? I swear to god i have told peopel to start sending direct emails to these companies Write the entire letter or make some petition like page where people don't have to even do that. Again, abiding to the Louis Rossman's school of thought, people can't do even the bare minimum these days.
>>1568610 I can try to make the letter but i'm too ESL so i will just throw it to some AI to fix grammar problems after finished i guess
>>1568613 I think it's completely fine, most bills today are written with AI. I found one where they left exclamation points in the abstract.
>>1568465 I seem to be noticing some selective blindness in this thread every time proof to the contrary is posted. >>1568343 You think PornHub is rightwing, and Visa+Mastercard attacking it was the left attacking the right, and not the reverse? It's not surprising most anons are biased and don't want to believe "their camp" is doing things wrong. Even though most like claim they don't belong to any camp, it's pretty damn clear the last two decades of being brow beaten by the left has left most anons incredibly biased to the right. It would be a miracle if that wasn't the result.
>>1568617 You think having some researchs linked would help make a stronger point?
>>1568517 VTubers are pushing the general perception towards being more anime-friendly, but the core issue is people's inability to differentiate fiction from reality. That's probably not going to change anytime soon, so I'm somewhat hoping payment processors make a stupid move like fucking with a publisher for publishing "David Copperfield" because it contains references to prostitution and isn't explicitly listed as adult-only.
>>1568618 idk,. it's mostly cast between Feminists and Christian lobby groups, but the feminist groups and anti-loli sentiment from what I've seen so far in this thread are the ones mostly annoying the weebs.
>>1568474 >SKG had the benefit of being able to tangibly show the potential consequences of its goals not being reached. That's not really as much of a factor as you think it is. SKG mostly took off by feeding on the normalnigger urge to engage in eceleb drama when some faggotuber attacked it really poorly, followed by him doing a bunch of other stupid shit that people can laugh at him for. It was essentially luck capitalized on by Ross having things ready and primed even if his petitioned had gained no popularity. >>1568633 >but the feminist groups and anti-loli sentiment from what I've seen so far in this thread are the ones mostly annoying the weebs. They're not the ones going after incest games though. Also, if you want to get some pushback, maybe try to get the card companies to attack The Coffin of Andy and Leyley for being an incest game. I'm sure there's other non-porn shit with incest in it too that could get wrapped up in these retarded policies.
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>>1568623 I can't see a reason not to add them. Sprinkle them around like confetti, but make sure to highlight the important parts because 9 out of 10 times the interns working at the politicians' desk jobs don't really care about all the big words and numbers that don't vibe with the electorate. >>1568628 >but the core issue is people's inability to differentiate fiction from reality The problem is that you're thinking of "people" as in everyone around you. You don't need to have all that many people be against something for actions to take place, as evidenced by >>1568596. Even SKG, one million people is like a drop in the fucking bucket if you factor in that the European Union has a population of 450 millions. You just have to convince enough people to do something or stand for something, and that's gonna be enough, because the majority will just follow the strongest vocal minority, every single time. You don't need to convince the most bluepilled people or Christian soccer moms, you need to convince enough centrist/gray zoners to get traction. Pander to some e-celeb like that Rev says desu guy, or really anyone who is in the dweeb, pro-porn side of the spectrum, and they'll start doing the job for you. https://yewtu.be/channel/UCaJ84U5xsjX9KT1mIF3B22w
>>1568618 I'm not above calling out the right but most of the payment processors are mostly left wing and sure you have some right leaning groups lobbying. But it's mostly the left targeting these things and they are still actively targeting right wing businesses or persons or people who they deem a problem. That's the point I'm making.
>>1568638 >SKG mostly took off by feeding on the normalnigger urge to engage in eceleb drama I completely agree, but you also gotta remember that all they had to do was click on a single link, digit a bunch of numbers and that's it. The easier you make it for them, the easier it is for the e-celeb spoonfeeding them to direct their attention to the cause. Heck, you could even just dig a bit on whoever's doing the mailing at Collective Shout and end up with yet another PirateFaggot situation.
>>1568649 >but you also gotta remember that all they had to do was click on a single link, digit a bunch of numbers and that's it. The easier you make it for them, the easier it is for the e-celeb spoonfeeding them to direct their attention to the cause. That's what I mean by >capitalized on by Ross having things ready and primed
>>1568649 >Heck, you could even just dig a bit on whoever's doing the mailing at Collective Shout and end up with yet another PirateFaggot situation. Haven't looked at their LinkedIns for the team members and ambassadors but there is something I am noticing: Australia They refused classification on many Japanese works like No Game No Life, Eromanga Sensei, and Omega Labyrinth Z. One aussie senator even wrote a scathing blurb of Eromanga Sensei in his Child Exploitation paper from 2020 https://archive.ph/3g5yB >The worst anime my office discovered is Eromanga Sensei. The plot is beyond what any person would consider normal or appropriate. The series features 12-year-old Sagiri, who draws pornographic manga while her 15-year-old stepbrother writes the books. Revealing clothing and sexually provocative poses are frequently depicted throughout the series, with the characters seen copying these poses and referring to genitalia. The series also heavily features incest themes, and many scenes are so disturbing I just won't—I just can't—describe them.
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Actually, how did I not think about this already? Contact the people that are actually affected by this, namely those who made the titles getting delisted (assuming they're not chink/pajeets) AND those who own the titles getting delisted. https://nitter.net/SteamDB/status/1945409792207421900 >>1568699 >Haven't looked at their LinkedIns for the team members and ambassadors but there is something I am noticing: Australia Australia is an actually lost cause. Their system of government is actively made to stifle the rights of their citizens unless it involves gambling or drilling for natural resources, so the only way to have any actual sway with them is to make it look like the Chinese want to do something, then and only then they'll do the opposite.
>>1568628 >the core issue is people's inability to differentiate fiction from reality. That's probably not going to change anytime soon I wonder how much of this is people genuinely not understanding the difference and how much of it is people just pretending not to in order to attack things they personally don't like? I find it pretty hard to believe that so many people could be so severely cognitively impaired for it to be mostly the former.
>>1568304 4D chess. Keep people at eachother's throats, so nobody does anything.
>>1568719 >the only way to have any actual sway with them is to make it look like the Chinese want to do something, then and only then they'll do the opposite. Something like Genshin Impact since it's from china?
>>1568699 >and many scenes are so disturbing I just won't—I just can't—describe them.
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>>1568699 >>1568716 >>1568722 Given the likely culprit here, it might be another case of "cute aggression" from womminz at work here. I don't have the cuckchan screencap but TL;DR women (Western) really hate anime art and especially moe because they perceive it as decreasing their sexual value, especially pronounced with the rise of vtumors. It's a literal biological reaction from them and their brains interpret the images as sexual competition. An illustration doesn't age and is an ideal they can never match, not to mention the archetypical ACG character will never betray nor cynically exploit its qualities unlike 3DPD, sorta like the AI girlfriends normalfags are talking about now. Add in that Japan is MUCH less gynocentrist than other developed cultures (notice how South Korea and China don't get attacked because their cultures are more gynocentrist, plus Japan's birthrate declined as a result of a Jewish woman forcing women's rights onto them) and you have constant resentment brewing. That explains why they give platforms like OnlyFans a pass but wage a war against ACG.
>>1568849 >ACG Anime Cute Girl? Animated Cute Girl? You might want to spell out your made up acronyms to others first before you start using them.
>>1568849 That doesn’t explain why /pol/acks hate anime.
>>1568854 Most of /pol/ are weebs just that the new brand of zoomers are anti weeb. On 8/pol/ in the day they had weeb/pol/ threads.
>>1568349 >Even if it's becoming increasingly unpopular with the masses, a more DEI-friendly government would have disincentivized such changes. why do brown people post here?
>>1568880 >Josh He fucked us over and has done actual pedo shit IRL.
>>1568877 It's the curse of cuckchanners becoming rapefugees and flooding in to displace the pre-existing culture, given it's host to the dregs of Xitter, Douyin, Retarddit, and Discuck. Even the moderation here has become more like cuckchan, I remember when I was able to post my Kunoichi Tsubaki image unspoilered without any feathers ruffled.
>>1568849 >sorta like the AI girlfriends normalfags are talking about now Picrel is one of Collective Shout's partners https://archive.ph/sRz7t
>>1567443 for the past 5 days paypal has stopped wotking as payment method. i believe its part of this shit then?
>>1568910 We're talking about encouraging real life crimes when it comes to KF.
>>1568910 Josh wanted loli and other weebshit censored and doxed vtubers who were lolis.
>>1568893 Yeah, it’s not as if there’s been countless cautionary tales on this matter or anything…b-BAKA!
>>1568852 Anon might be a chink they are the ones that use it a lot usually stands for "Anime,Comics,Games"
>>1568924 >if you want protection, you'll have to protect his retarded ass as well <If you want to protect [free speech] you have to protect [publishing people's private information online]
>>1568929 Comics doesn't really fit his usage then, because it's been 90% garbage for a long time with characters that directly contradict his description of "ACG" characters as the norm.
>>1568924 He was ok for their censorship and others for years, this is performative.
>>1568523 >>1568849 >>1568889 >lolicons are all pedophiles >hates chuubas >muh womminz vagueries to deflect and divide >cuckchan lingo yet accuses others of being cuckchaners Niggerpill or another schizo?
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>>1568716 This is definitely related. Spread the word about Collective Shout to Steam users and the Gamergate thread. I concede it is a leftwing issue now and feminists are the primary culprit for why Steam is removing incest-related games, but nonetheless lobby groups in general have taken to asking Mastercard and Visa for censorship >>1568343 My mood was with this anon >>1568618 Case closed, it was feminists, not anti-porn evangelicals.
>>1568943 Except doxing isn't "hatespeech", it's apolitical, and it's illegal regardless. Jewsh was fucked by payment processors, but stopping them from fucking him isn't really protecting him or what he does, because what he does is illegal and not protected regardless of what gayment processors say. You're presenting a false dichotomy.
>>1568880 >KF being on the same level as DLsite and incest futa steam games Nice joke.
>tfw i can no longer buy Gay Sex With Hilter >tfw i have no face Gamers, it's over...
>>1568950 Why are you saying things while linking proof you posted that proves those things untrue? Exodus Cry is part of Collective Shout. Weren't you the one who made that connection yourself?
>>1568970 >>1568950 Excuse me, you weren't the one that made that connection. Someone else did though. >>1568596 >>Signatories to date are: Collective Shout, National Centre on Sexual Exploitation, (US), Exodus Cry, (US), Centre to End All Sexual Exploitation (UK), FiLiA (UK), Coalition Against Trafficking in Women Australia, along with Michael Salter, Professor and Director of Childlight East Asia and Pacific Hub, Kelly Humphries, survivor, speaker, advocate, DV & sexual violence consultant and Jon Rouse, former Argos posting on /leftypol/ual abuse detective now Professor at AiLECS Labs, Monash University and Childlight Hub. Find the full letter here.
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>>1568943 GET THE FUCK OFF THIS WEBSITE!
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>>1568970 >Why are you saying things while linking proof you posted that proves those things untrue? Exodus Cry is part of Collective Shout. Because I did not know Exodus Cry is a part of Collective Shout (which I thought was primarily a feminist group). Then I'm partially right? Must be Feminists and Evangelicals in tandem then.
>>1567443 Also, it's probably been said here already, but DLsite had to go through this bullshit a little while ago. They tried to skirt around the policy and still provide R rated content, which is the bulk of their content. But, I think eventually they took the nuclear option and just removed VISA payments entirely from the store. Someone might have to fact check, I don't remember entirely.
>>1568981 I'm not sure how Exodus Cry and Collective Shout are associated, but I suppose they are associates. But is Exodus Cry just an associate or a part of Collective Shout? These groups are working together from what I gather here:
>>1568988 They removed visa last time I checked.
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Regardless of who is lobbying Mastercard and Visa to do this, the primary blame lies with Mastercard and Visa themselves, the groups that are tangentially secondarily (i.e, feminists and evangelicals). They also have been picking on Japan recently too: https://automaton-media.com/en/news/visa-japans-ceo-says-disabling-card-payment-for-legal-adult-content-is-necessary-to-protect-the-brand/ >>1569006 I'm a native poster.
>>1567477 They HAVE gone after regular porn. Several sites have changed their terms, and others have been purged of content ages ago.
>>1569029 few 2d hentai game stores wont even leave a scratch on the giant credit card companies' revenue if they switch to an alternative processor but its a self preservation move for them first and foremost, steam going its own way would be a bigger blow but they wont do it since gaben is a faggot
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>>1569020 >I'm a native poster. ???? You look cold, anon. Would you like to borrow my blanket?
>>1568376 Same reason leftists always shit and piss themselves over sexy fictional characters and go out of their way to make everything ugly and androgynous. They hate anything good and normal.
>>1568974 >>1568981 >Feminists and Evangelicals in tandem then. Literal Handmaid Tale shit.
>>1569020 What made you say p0rn?
>>1569064 Personally I want VISA and Mastercard to fuck up something sooo bad it triggers a world wide response for alternatives. Going after porn and hentai won't trigger a response from normalfags.
>>1569083 Only thing that could probably get normalfags upset with them is if they started blocking certain medicines or healthcare services.
>>1568051 >>1568071 According to Xvideos these verification measures are lazily being enforced on the larger pornsites while the smaller site are getting away scoot free because the states are too lazy to enforce the law after they are done virtue signalling. https://pornbiz.com/post/17/the_scam_of_age_verification
>>1569161 That hasn't stopped the practice from gradually gaining ground (but Pornhub is), but, yes, some other porn sites aren't doing it. I think the issue is being overlooked because anons say >lol, just use a VPN
>>1569091 I dunno, after covid that seems unlikely.They were literally censoring people, banning alternative medicines, even putting doctors in jail, if they didn't step in line and agree with what the bigger players were telling them. We may very well be past the era of people giving a shit.
>>1568991 My bad. I thought Collective Shout was a group of organizations all working towards similar goals, not one of the multiple organizations that had a hand in this faggotry. They are associates, and Exodus Cry was one of the signatories that pushed for Steam to ban no-no games.
>>1569020 >I'm a native poster. Stop crossposting on social media so much. You're dragging normalnigger tier behaviors like reflexive self-censorship here.
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>>1568291 Regardless, I think rightwing politics is more mainstream now. I lived in a Blue state stronghold (and later moved to a Red State, but still Blue territory enough with relatives in Blue) and my experience is regular people have grown tired of SJWs and feminism and even have more have taken a liking to Trump and Elon Musk. It has been a decade of SJWs and snowflake meme. My family was a Democrat household for the longest time until recently where now even they pro-Trump or at least not too against him. Crossing this line was unthinkable to me for a very long time because they were so solidly pro-Democrat. I have seen both sides of the spectrum and even felt a bit of rightwing fatigue.
>>1569223 The R majority Congress is looking to ban weed federally again, so good luck with that.
>>1569068 The signatories that got this shovelware pulled from Steam are both left and right wing organizations, both secular and religious. Stop trying to act like what Visa & Mastercard are doing is some partisan issue. They've been repeatedly pushed by these organizations to attack both 2D and 3D porn, both sexy and ugly, under the guise of stopping sex trafficking and child abuse. It's a bipartisan mish-mash of prude organizations operating under the premise that seeing X will cause people to go do a sex crime, so X should be banned, even if X is merely roleplay or complete fiction involving no real people. The people behind this may not even believe their own spiel, but there's tons of feminists and Christians who do and donate money to them to accomplish shit like this.
>>1569236 I'll testify that there are a lot of Tesla fans on the Left (who like electric) and a side of the Left that likes RFK Jr and fatigue of woke shit. So that is why I think once staunch Democrat households are turning rightwing.
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>>1567443 Are there any good alternatives to Visa and Mastercard?
>WEGs arent doing too hot >they are doing so bad that they have to resort to every scummy penny pinching tactic just to stay afloat >japanese eroge are doing great as ever >get valve to ban "porn" games to get rid of rival industry <first thing gabe gets rid of are the shitty WEGs HAHAHAHAHA this is payback for dlsite eat shit weggers
>>1568699 >many scenes are so disturbing I just won't—I just can't—describe them. Lines like this always make me think that the person is just being performative.
>>1568699 to play Devil's Advocate, most boomers are probably unaware of the lewd nature of some anime. Eromanga-Sensei is kinda tame from what I remember. Yes, it had ecchi. No, It wasn't all that wild. But for a boomer who knows lick of that? yeah. It's still retarded yet not really surprising from the High Impact Sexual Violence country
>>1569441 Haha, well deserved for imitating yanderedev in order to make shitty porn. >also I saw a paper from google scholar talking about how "wegs are the future" for gaming industry because its shitty earning models...
>>1568699 no game no life is pretty indifensible though first page of the first volume literally is uoooh not even censored no light bars or steam or black bars or pixels its just there
>>1569534 Doing nothing?
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>>1568644 the difference is that these groups have the media backing them, and saying no to them will lead to them running around like retards shouting "OMG CC CEOS ARE WOMAN RAPIST PEDOS!", which is very damning compared to just "wow you killed my games" the fault lies with all parties: >guvmint overreach via (((age verification laws))), >muh terrism, >muh chilrunz, and other crap >the legislators who pretend that drawings and pixels are real children and women >sjws, religious nuts, and other useful idiots legislating their morality >the credit card and payment processor kikes who want to ban anything they don't like
>>1568849 >Add in that Japan is MUCH less gynocentrist than other developed cultures (notice how South Korea and China don't get attacked because their cultures are more gynocentrist Nonsense. 90% of men's manga revolve around full blown simping while paradoxically assembling a harem. Manhwa and manhua, in contrast, frequently take a "bitches and whores" position.
>all this off-topic posting shit I shouldn't have posted
So is this thread getting raided by kiwifags too? Cuckchan threads on this subject are borderline unreadable because of blatant samefaggots blowing smoke up that fat loser's hypocritical asshole.
>>1569596 Those types of manga, are mostly an excuse to drag out the drama and release as many chapters as possible. There are plenty of harem mangas, or just protag who knows what he wants, though most of them are isekai, but that is a more general problem. You don't even have to limit yourself to Shounen, as Shoujo and Josei manga, also have more than enough stories about strong, handsome, assertive men going for the female lead.
>>1569841 So you have no real idea about it. >>1569848 Most of the retards who bitch about manga don't explore other options.
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The main culprit right now is Mastercard and Visa with feminists taking the charge with some evangelicals on the side lobbying them. It doesn't matter whether it is the government or some other entity being lobbied here.
>>1569798 >>1569833 Basically, yes. You can tell because of all the blatantly leftist takes, the hatred of titty >>1567762, the lack of awareness of supersessionism in still trying to shit on Christianity for dispensationalism >>1569088, the age-old "trying to accuse a native of being a rapefugee while using extremely conspicuous ebonics" crap >>1568942, cycling IPs with (1)s as if people wouldn't notice, the bad stylography, etc. And of course trying to shill for Jewsh in the first place >>1568880 The dead FFXIV thread getting a flurry of activity in the last few days was probably a bigger bellwether of rapefugees, though. >>1568852 >>1568929 >>1568935 I'm very surprised by how apparently the term came from Taiwan, looking into it. I came across it online and I thought it encapsulated what I wanted to describe the subculture well, although I probably should have used Manga Anime Games to get my point across better.
>>1569665 Porn has a vague definitions. There are non pormographic games being delisted because of this policy change. Also Mastercard/Visa can use their discretion to ban you from buying anything they dont like even if it's not pornographic at all. It's the reason you cant even commission safe art from artists on skeb or buy ANY kind of manga/media from Japan. You're a stupid fucking zoomer though so of course you dont get it.
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Idk why anime right is simping for christians. While we already established that feminists are the main culprit, they are followed by the Church in doing this. Do otakus and lolicons truly believe a return to the ancien regime or something will leave their lolis, ecchi, and hentai unscathed? The anti-degen anons will have a field day with the fun posters if they ever had their chance, but they have simply bigger fish to fry *ahem* LGBTQIA+ and normalfag pornography.
>>1569833 >>1569896 Normalniggers really do ruin everything. This level of unrepentant moralfaggotry is out of hand. Is it really just some pathetic losers trying in vain to feel superior to people they conceive as easy targets, like guys who like anime? If so, this level of insecurity is so gay.
>>1570054 You can tell that just from the average anon's reaction to 2D NTR content.
>>1570072 It's almost like the idea of sharing someone you care about (even if only for a brief lusty encounter) is fucking gross.
>>1570076 It's almost like someone cannot tell the difference between reality and fiction.
>>1570092 You can tell something is fictional but still be upset by it, empathy for things even fictional is a powerful thing.
>>1570092 >heh, you hate this manga about people eating shit? It's not real bro, there's nothing to hate about it
>>1568699 >>1568988 >But, I think eventually they took the nuclear option and just removed VISA payments entirely from the store. Yeah, I also heard that some Japanese cabinet member would be looking into the issue of Western payment processors interfering with Japanese products. But that alone is not enough, since they can just make a deal and give provisions solely to Jap games, and nothing else. >>1569020 Use archived links please https://archive.is/lBGDG >>1569173 Exactly. People would rather push others down for epic upboats than actually deal with a problem that might touch them at some point.
>>1570125 that cabinet member is none other than ken akamatsu, the creator of love hina the house of councillors elections are on the 20th. we can only hope that he gets re-elected
Replied to myself, like a fucking retard. >>1570097 I agree with your point, as that is a good counter to what I said. Though I do wonder how much of the reactions I see, either here or on manga reading platforms is cased by empathy for the character, and how much it is because they self inserted with the character, and now feel personally attacked. >>1570100 >it's just a bunch of line
>>1570149 Anon i have zero idea what the fuck you are saying >>1570157 Who knows to be honest, could be a little of column a column b type scenario.
>>1570175 >Anon i have zero idea what the fuck you are saying His first sentence is a bit confusing, but his second one, was more to what I was originally alluding to, and thankfully you didn't fall for it. Basically you would make a lolicon say that "depictions of NTR in fiction is dangerous to society" or something like that, and then when you would question him about his "loli doujins" to which he would reply "it's just a bunch of drawings, can't you tell the difference between reality and fiction?". The contradiction would be that while both are just drawings, one is ok while the other is bad. >could be a little of column a column b type scenario. Could you please explain what you meant by that?
>>1570183 I'm saying while you could self insert in something you could also distance yourself and realize it's bad Just because you connect yourself to something that is arguably awful doesn't mean you don't have an inner set of morals where the line will be drawn and you'll get pissed.
Why do stickies always attract the worst posters on the board, SKG had this same problem
>>1570413 Probably because of the topic and exposure.
>>1570413 Well, as soon as this got stickied we also got a CP raid on other threads, so you tell me.
>>1569338 There's Discover for credit. Bougies have American Express aswell.
Speaking of Discover, here's two TV clips that aged poorly.
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>>1569537 Luigi normally wins by doing nothing, but when he does something, he means business.
Well i made an letter to send to them i'm not sure if it's good though, but it can at least used as template to be sent to payement processors it should be easy to edit for personal points and not make it seem as spam ,if anyone could make a petition or have something more open i can make a open letter too Subject: Upholding Transactional Neutrality and Artistic Freedom in the Digital Era Att: Recipient name It has become impossible to ignore the rise of coordinated, intolerant campaigns by activists which demand that payment processors abandon neutrality and enforce broad ideological censorship against digital platforms hosting controversial fictional works. Their actions go far beyond advocating for community standards; they represent a fundamental assault on pluralism and cultural diversity. By appealing to fear, indignation, and moral panic all while refusing any serious engagement with evidence or open debate, these groups wield coercion as a weapon against artistic freedom, intentionally seeking to impose a single, parochial understanding of morality upon a global marketplace. This is not the defense of virtue, it is the delegitimization of difference, the silencing of minority voices, and the trampling of basic artistic and personal freedoms. Their campaigns actively disrupt real-world moral progress: they foster bigotry, discourage open intellectual inquiry, and valorize the suppression of anything that challenges or discomforts their particular orthodoxy. Against this assault on freedom and tolerance, your unwavering support for partnership with all legally compliant digital distributors, regardless of fictional content, stands as an indispensable defense of genuine, universal ethics and social stability. 1. Fiction Is Not Action: Moral Panic vs. Legal Fact The suggestion that platforms or payment facilitators are "complicit" in promoting real-world crimes by enabling the sale of extreme fictional works is not merely specious—it has been systematically repudiated both legally and empirically. As the U.S. Supreme Court held in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, 535 U.S. 234 (2002): “The mere tendency of speech to encourage unlawful acts is not a sufficient reason for banning it. The government ‘cannot constitutionally premise legislation on the desirability of controlling a person's private thoughts.’” Fiction, however graphic, is not a criminal act, nor is its distribution equivalent to endorsement. 2. No Evidence of Causal Harm Contrary to the alarmist assertions of anti-expression activists, exhaustive meta-analyses and governmental reviews find no credible scientific basis for the claim that consumption of extreme fictional narratives or games causally increases real-world aggression or crime. The APA Task Force on Violent Media (2017) and multiple peer-reviewed articles reach the same conclusion: correlation is not causation, and the overwhelming majority of consumers of “taboo” fiction are law-abiding. Proponents of bans are unable to produce replicable, methodologically sound research demonstrating otherwise. 3. Precedent and Risk with Censorship Once the transaction neutrality of payment processors is compromised, once you assume the role of content censor at the behest of moral pressure groups, no creative sector is safe. Censorship begets further censorship. Acclaimed works of literature and film have been accused of the very same “harms” now imputed to games. Where does this logic end? A world in which Nabokov, de Sade, or even Shakespeare could be summarily “deplatformed” by fiat? John Stuart Mill, in On Liberty, warned: “The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation. … If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.” 4.  Platform, Not Prosecutor Payment processors are not arbiters of art or morality; you are facilitators of lawful commerce. Existing legal frameworks, national and international, already criminalize genuine acts of harm and distribution of illegal materials. Fictional depictions, however abhorrent in some eyes, enjoy robust protection under constitutions and human rights law, provided they do not cross into actual criminal conduct. 5. The True Harm of Censorship Yielding to emotional blackmail and censorious outcry comes at a steep social and psychological cost: the stifling of creativity, the chilling of artistic risk, the narrowing of acceptable discourse, and the alienation of millions of law-abiding creators and consumers worldwide. The deeper “harm” is not in the existence of difficult art, but in the whittling away of cultural freedom. 6. Emotional Manipulation, Lack of Evidence, and Distortion of Global Morality It is critical to recognize that the campaigners driving these appeals substitute evidence with pure emotional impact, fostering environments where outrage trumps facts: These groups rely on evocative language and distressing rhetoric, intentionally provoking fear and revulsion rather than reasoned debate. This mode of operation is not an accident—it is a strategy to shut down analysis and overwhelm commonsense boundaries between fiction and reality. In pushing for global policy changes rooted not in legal or scientific consensus but moral panic, these groups fail to acknowledge cultural diversity or the internationally recognized right to free artistic expression. Far from upholding or advancing global morality, their crusade undermines it—encouraging intolerance, groupthink, and the imposition of narrow parochial standards on diverse societies. The broader effect is a corrosion of critical faculties and moral reasoning worldwide: art, literature, and gaming communities are made more fearful and less imaginative, while the public is deprived of meaningful discussion about freedom, boundaries, and creative value. In closing, we urge you to reaffirm their commitment to transaction neutrality, refusing to be conscripted into the ideological crusades of those who cannot distinguish between fiction and reality. Your continued partnership with digital marketplaces is not only legally and ethically sound; it is a bulwark against the erosion of fundamental freedoms. Let us be clear: capitulation to demands for content-based exclusions would mark your services not as responsible actors, but as tools of arbitrary censorship—a move both historically discredited and perilous to your brand’s reputation as impartial global facilitators of commerce. We trust in your judgment, and in your resolve to stand on the side of liberty, legality, and reason. Regards, Your name
>>1570512 Trim it down a bit, people cannot read in this day and age.
>>1570600 >>1570583 Will do then
At this point I'm convinced the shill is just using libertarianism as a means of arguing against pro-consumer legislation, and is also intentionally making actual libertarians look bad.
>>1570619 >intentionally making actual libertarians look bad. I mean, they do it pretty easily. Time and again, I see that "live and let live" is an untenable, highly exploitable, and unacceptably naive worldview that's almost as blindly optimistic about human nature as communism is.
>>1570583 >>1570600 I made two trimmed versions, one following the one that worked for collective clout,and i made it using their style of language since i think it would work better. >first There are thousands of unique, challenging, and taboo-themed works, including games about violence, sexuality, and unconventional narratives—on plataforms such as Steam as well as other publishers. Your payment processor is instrumental in protecting freedom and pluralism by enabling lawful access to these creative products. Diverse and controversial fiction: >Defends the right to imagination in a free society >Protects minority voices, alternative perspectives, and unpopular art >Shields culture and commerce from the creeping expansion of censorship >Fosters empathy, tolerance, and open debate across cultures >Offers safe, symbolic outlets for exploring difficult or controversial experiences, reducing real-world risk and providing catharsis for creators and consumers alike >Supports the psychological well-being of marginalized communities, including women and minorities, by allowing them to safely process trauma, challenge stigma, and reclaim agency through art and storytelling >Promotes honest dialogue about social taboos, helping society confront and understand difficult realities rather than suppress or ignore them I am calling on your company to commit publicly and unequivocally to transactional neutrality, maintaining partnerships with Steam and other publishers and refusing ideological campaigns that would turn your service into a tool for censorship. Protect expression. Defend creativity. Recognize that for many, especially those most vulnerable, the freedom to make and access all types of fiction is a vital source of resilience, understanding, and hope. Stand on the side of true empathy and freedom. Regards, [Your Name] [Contact Information] >Second Att: [Recipient Name] Coordinated pressure campaigns are demanding that payment processors like yours abandon neutrality and censor lawful, fictional digital content. This is not about protecting anyone—it’s about imposing narrow, intolerant standards on a global marketplace by trading evidence and debate for emotional manipulation and moral panic. Censorship of fiction isn't virtue; it silences minority voices, undermines creativity, and suppresses cultural diversity. These campaigns do not engage with the facts: Fiction is not crime. Legal precedent, Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition—makes clear that even provocative or disturbing content, if fictional, is protected speech. There is no evidence of harm. Major scientific reviews confirm that consuming controversial games or stories does not cause real-world violence or crime. Precedent is perilous. Every time you give in to moral panic, the boundaries of allowed creativity shrink. Today it's taboo fiction; tomorrow it could be literature, art, or even legitimate political debate. Your job is not to act as moral adjudicator, but to enable lawful transactions. The true harm comes from censorship itself: it stifles innovation, chills expression, and narrows what is possible in art and culture for everyone. These activists rely solely on stirring outrage, never on facts, pushing their restrictive standards worldwide while failing to recognize (or value) plurality and free artistic expression. If you yield, you become the tool of a censorious few, diminishing freedom, and your own reputation—worldwide. We urge you: stand firm on principled neutrality. Protect the rights of everyone—not just the loudest critics. Your support for free, legal creativity upholds not just business, but genuine empathy and freedom.
[Expand Post]Do not let emotion override principle. The world is watching. Regards, [Your Name / Organization] [Contact Information]
>>1570813 This shit is so obviously written by AI that nobody is going to read it.
>>1570869 Yeah? Then edit it and send it
>>1570880 Bit lazy to try and pawn off your work on someone else, isn't it?
>>1570884 Bit of lazy to think you can't edit a template if you are not content with it
>>1570813 Much better, good job anon
House bill now has 3 new cosponsors! Feenstra of Iowa, Gimenez of Florida, and Wilson of South Carolina. Keep calling!
>>1571027 Hopefully enough Republicans will realize that this sort of thing represents a severe deplatforming risk for their constituency and will come out in opposition to it.
>>1571027 Have you been sending links to other people/places as well? I've talked to some guys I know on Steam about it.
>>1571074 I don't really have the reach anywhere, but I encourage those who do to post about it.
>>1568126 >I imagine the blue team would do this while the red team is actually doing this!
>>1571097 I just autistically send emails to people and hope for the best
>>1567733 >places that print currency out of thin air >not banks lol, guess who's wrong.
>>1571241 *banks tied to the government
>>1570493 >No true scotsman And I suppose trannies aren't the real left because they're in the extreme minority, even though large swathes of the left support them?
>>1571457 It's the other way around, of course.
>Claim its only going after sex games >An Ace Attorney inspired indy game with no nudity or sex scenes also got deleted What?
>>1571658 https://steamcommunity.com/app/2983140/discussions/0/595154681972427046/ >Honestly my best guess is that steam's systems picked up the achievement name "loli" and thought there was adult content as a result. Jesus christ, that would be fucked if that was the reason.
>>1571679 Wouldn't surprise me its probably automated i wonder if people start throwing labels like "loli' and others into tags of games it could nuke them as well lol
Why not just talk to the people running Visa and Mastercard and just ask them to stop?
>>1571698 They were, retard. They were directly interviewed be Ken Akamatsu and lied while shifting the blame around.
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>>1571698 They're just going to feign ignorance an punch down till they find a patsy. Typical corpo MO
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>>1567477 There's considerably less interracial 2D then there is interracial 3D. They want to promote race mixing and lowering the white/asian standards to that of jiggaboos, so they're trying reduce the competition for social influence from 2D ESPECIALLY in the teen population where hormones often lead logic. This goes for games too, there's a reason there's so many browns and women shoved into games, they want their ideals to be the ones primarily seen by the biggest audience share, all in a bid for power. They don't care about muh sensibilities or whatever, it's entirely them pushing an agenda.
>>1567477 It's even worse than you think, both of those companies knew cp was being sold on onlyfans for years, and they intentionally ignored it as they profited off it. They only "cracked down" on it after it was discovered by the public and no none of them were punished for it.
>>1571810 Again, this logic is retarded when Visa+Mastercard crippled the fuck out of Pornhub and have been pressuring a couple other large 3DPD porn sites.
>>1571630 Didn't knew private banks managed the Zimbabwean economy, I shall forgive Mugabe now
>>1568969 >>1568719 are the de-listed games also being removed from the library of users that purchased them?
>>1571925 No clue,would be good to know
>>1568893 they have an alt-logo... so its not just about "robots" for them. any kind of digital erotica not framed by a feminist lens is on the chopping block with these british dykes... who could have guessed? also, aren't the UK gov the ones obsessed with real ID / age-gate keeping the internet? >are you trying to enjoy something? you need a license for that!
>>1571956 >also, aren't the UK gov the ones obsessed with real ID / age-gate keeping the internet? Yeah,they and the aussies
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>>1571722 I'm not really sure what that has to do with Steam when that involved japanese shops online selling merchandise. I shouldn't be getting better discussion about this from 4chan or Reddit.
>>1571931 these Hitler games seem to be working... still, for now at least. (got them in a bundle during a sale years ago because of how silly it all sounded)
>>1571698 If it was that simple then GamerGate would've never existed.
>>1571984 >I'm not really sure what that has to do with Steam when that involved japanese shops online selling merchandise. Rub your two braincells together and think about it you subhuman nigger ape. Here's more than a hint. >>1568338
>>1568338 jews really do destroy everything they touch
>>1571698 Sir, this isn't the LOL thread.
>>1569527 >first page of the first volume literally is uoooh what? are talking about the manga, or the light novels
>>1568699 this is why translating japshit to english is generally not a good idea
>>1571925 Steam doesn't have a history of doing that with deslited games, I don't think they will start now
>>1571925 The few delisted games I own on steam are still there and can be downloaded to play them.
>>1572035 I guess this is the pretend to be retarded thread and astroturf xxx currency instead.
>>1571985 They're not removing games from your library, just killing the listing on the storefronts so nobody else can buy them. What you've seen get delisted so far is just the beginning. If this continues, this will come in ban-waves - so just because something isn't banned now, doesn't mean it won't be in a few months. And then more and more shit is going to get banned, because this "win" (if it's allowed to be a win) will just embolden them to crack down on even more pornographic content.
>>1572111 He mean this i think
>>1572343 will just embolden them to crack down on even more pornographic content. That’s why it’s a huge mistake to sell hentai or video game porn around mainstream content. It always ends the same way. someone (a busybody) inevitably freaks out when they see easily accessible porn or erotica. But when you mix that with anime or video games? The outrage doubles. These people genuinely believe in the concept of thought crime, as if consuming fiction is the same as endorsing real-world behavior. (we see (((anons))) around here arguing the same shit sometimes) Most NPCs can’t even distinguish fact from fiction, so of course they struggle to separate fantasy from reality...
>>1570054 Your link didn't provide any useful information at all, though.
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The double standards around this situation are amusing to see.
>>1572571 RAPE SIMULATOR
>>1572571 >>1572585 yeah, but take away any of the lgbt / PoC entertainment or drag queen story times and I'm sure they would be screeching... its all so tiresome
>>1568075 >accept that the internet is completely fucked and we'd best move everything over I2P or something along those lines and archive everything ever. Is it possible for IPFS to operate over I2P?
>>1572615 The individual in the screencap strikes me as the sort who'd be against those things. Moral busybody is a pathology, not a political "team". Soccer mom and SJW are two sides of the same coin.
>>1572642 Soccer mom isn't quite the archetype you're going for. Church lady might be closer to the term you want.
>>1572667 They're functionally the same.
>>1572679 >True, but they evoked political terms In what way is that relevant?
>>1572277 What do you mean you don't own CumCoin already?
>>1572716 I don't appreciate the person I'm arguing against having their post deleted.
>>1572822 vol here, he deleted it himself
>>1572826 If so, then that's fine. Hard to tell around here.
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>>1572571 >That whole screen cap
>>1572571 That poster seems like the kind to agree with australian censors who think any adult woman with small breasts can't star in porn, because then it would be considered cheese pizza.
>>1572571 >Complains about sex in fiction while calling others pedophiles Confirmed child rapist. He should be investigated and jailed.
>>1569953 Cause degenerates think fun and creativity equals degeneracy and cant differentiate between the two. Yes I mean you. as for the feminists getting games banned, they hate fun and are getting rid of it under the guise of removing degeneracy.
>>1571097 >I don't really have the reach anywhere, but I encourage those who do to post about it. It's not really about having a reach, it's about trying to bother enough people until you find someone else who will also bother other people. Have you never played Shenmue? >>1571658 I will now check your game out >>1571925 You're only locked out of buying them, because Volvo at least understands that "buy" means "own in perpetuity" which I'm willing to give them as a perk since their EoL plan is to let you download and keep the games you bought.
>>1573322 >which I'm willing to give them as a perk since their EoL plan is to let you download and keep the games you bought. Yeah, I wouldn't exactly trust them to stick to their word. They ARE a big corporation after all, even if some think they're the lesser of the evils. At this point its better if you back up the games yourself.
>>1568387 >My Mom is a Futanari, My Mom & My Sister Want To Rape Me Do these two happen to be related by any chance?
>>1572571 First we had murder simulators now we have rape simulators, what a time to be alive.
>>1572571 i assume he is complaining and exaggerating about a random game, not rapelay or rapeman, right?
>>1567443 >>1567443 >There is actually a bill in Congress, with significant momentum (43 out of 100 senators co-sponsored. 50 needed to pass, 60 needed to get the vote to happen.), that would stop this shit. It has that momentum mostly because it's a general anti-debanking bill and after seeing Trump's bank drop him despite how fiduciaryily stupid it was Congress realizes they're going to be hit with it eventually. >https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/401 https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/987 If you're an American you can call your legislative official and demand either (as applicable) >they add their name to the co-sponsor >it come to a vote and that it be amended to strengthen the prohibitions on "payment card networks" as they're weaker than the other sections (only banning "political or reputational risk considerations", which could easily be construed either way on porn or guns, a weakness at odds with the introduction.). Somebody with a leddit account should post this over at KiA for greater visablitity.
I hate that I don't have the power to change these things.
>>1573728 i think you are gonna need to give them immunity to bullshit lawsuits to help resolve this, and that this wont actually solve anything other than driving them into a corner even more >(5) ensure banks operate in a safe and sound manner by making judgments and decisions about whether to provide a customer with financial services on an impartial, individualized risk-based analysis using empirical data evaluated under quantifiable standards. >(B) not deny any person a financial service the covered bank offers unless the denial is justified by such quantified and documented failure of the person to meet quantitative, impartial risk-based standards established in advance by the covered bank; visa and mastercard will just claim that they are just reducing risk, and they will be right considering they have already been involved in the pornhub lawsuit https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62372964
I'm out of the loop why is this thread getting stickied
why did they do it?
>>1567489 >>1571827 >>1568504 Reminds me of that tapeworm Leland Yee cracking down on the Second Amendment for years before being outed for having connections to arms traffickers. And I think he had stakes in Raytheon too, like evry other gun-grabbing Democrat.
>>1574096 Yeah we remember that but this is an stronger step further
>>1574096 That wasn't happening because steam was anti-anime but because there was a single rogue employee blocking anime games whenever she was on approval duty and there's no appeal system because Gay Ben is too fat and lazy to care.
trump will slap 200% tariffs on japan until they remove all the lolis on august 4 2025 4:15 pm EST
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>>1574096 >Steam has been anti-anime for fucking year? You're a fucking retarded weeb https://store.steampowered.com/app/758090/Monobeno/
>>1574137 >That wasn't happening because steam was anti-anime Yes, it is. >>1574154 >Look, one game out of hundreds got through the system. See, Steam 'allows' anime games. Have you ever heard of the concept known as a "Limited hangout"?
>>1574154 >>1574185 This version seems turbo gimped, and it doesn't have English... So nobody at valve even knows what it is. I guess the steam version could act as an advertisement for the full game...
>>1572571 I'm amazed these people are even alive. Like, how can you survive in society being this naive and puritanical?
>>1572642 That name and avatar looks familiar. I recall him being a JDA/Yorch dickrider, so probably a Goonergate holdover. I could be wrong, though.
>>1574313 It's pretty easy to be that way in the western world, I mean I would say it's probably pretty easy to be like that in most places. The West especially though loves white nights and Karen's that pretend to fight for decency and "women's rights". (Because porn of not real things always falls under that for some reason). Regardless of whatever political spectrum they're on. Another thing people forget is that the government, the Catholic Church and feminists actually teamed up to attack pornography in the 80s. There's a book about that, (can't remember name of the author off the top of my head though). At least in America, I know that the so-called right wing British government of the '70s and '80s were found out to be funding radical feminist organizations and magazines. (It makes sense if you think about it, right wing Puritans are smart enough to know that they can just get the crazy feminists to go after targets for them.)
>Valve responds to payment processor controversy, hopes devs “have another game” to put on Steam >We were recently notified that certain games on Steam may violate the rules and standards set forth by our payment processors and their related card networks and banks. As a result, we are retiring those games from being sold on the Steam Store, because loss of payment methods would prevent customers from being able to purchase other titles and game content on Steam. >We are directly notifying developers of these games, and issuing app credits should they have another game they'd like to distribute on Steam in the future. Wew,should've asked AI to answer instead https://archive.vn/r7b3Q https://archive.vn/UKFjI
Can I get a more detailed explanation of the only fans situation? Ideally with screen caps. Currently in an argument and brought up only fans without proper evidence and he counterpointed with the fact OF briefly attempted to remove all adult content.
>>1574353 Man these people can't just leave us alone.
>>1574366 Considering it's only a hundred dollars to put a game on steam this is pathetic compensation.
Where does Visa and Mastercard's power come from? Why are they the only payment processors? I don't think the bill is going to make much of a difference if it doesn't resolve the root of the problem. If this passes, at best it just slaps a bandaid on them and they'll find another way to fuck around in time. At worse it strengthens the ties between government and payment processors while making it even harder for other new payment processors without backroom deals to take Visa and Mastercard's place.
>>1574313 Society is what conditions them to be like that in the first place. Using loli avatars and jerking off to rape games is the realm of terminally online netizens who don't need to conform because they're not afraid of being ostracized. In other words, gigachads.
What's up with all these (1)s talking about God unprompted?
Damn, I wish I bought a bunch of hentai games on Steam during the summer sale. Any hentai games taken down cause of Visa and Mastercard, or only the (((Western))) made incest ones?
>>1574429 Mostly a bunch of western ones it seems like, although there were some casualties from what I understand.
>>1574431 Shit, I wish we got a decent list. Maybe I should check my wishlist. At least I bought Summer Memories and Winter Memories and there are GOG versions of those classics.
>>1574409 It's pretty much how hard to get banks use your service and since banks are all part of the (((tribe))) they won't use it unless you are part of the (((party))).
>>1574429 Most of japanese already have a semi secure way to ignore this bullshit given how niggerish mode valve handles their game.
>>1574437 That would make sense, but do you have sources that support that? How do you know it's the banks gatekeeping payment processing, and not the payment processors gatekeeping the banks?
>game removed from my wishlist
>>1574446 Known gayops shitstirer.
Does that fatfuck Gabe ever comment on stuff happening on his plataform
>>1574442 https://archive.ph/2fJTI There is current one with my government working on shitting up crypto payments due the legacy banks pressure.
>>1574476 Do you really think gabe gives enough shit to piss off either of the party in this?
>>1574486 Nah,just curiosity on how cucked would be his answer
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>>1574096 Someone should edit this with christcuck boomers, danger hairs and Tik Tok niggers.
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DON'T FUCK WITH GAMERS
>>1574366 Is there a list of every game that has been removed?
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>>1574366 Is there a list of every game that has been removed?
>>1573711 It's about one of the games that just got removed from steam. He's an Orthodox Christian and fanboy of synthetic man for reference. You can find his partial dox on the farms.
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>>1573759 You do; you just never will. What's interesting about all of this is that obviously the payment processors don't have the legal "right" to do anything they're doing–nor do banks themselves–but the outcome throughout all of human history is, in fact, as the graph shows. The entire argument is twisted around (on purpose, likely). >Free Speech: Get these fucking faggots, trannies, and furries out of my sight or they're going to die. <fags, trannies, and furries: [fade into the background] >Censored Speech: ** ** * * ** * ****! <fags, trannies, and furries: [proudly show their gay tranny fur porn to everyone]
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>>1574717 Thanks for the heads up negropill Time to digitally terrorize some dry cunts
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>>1574353 >Another thing people forget is that the government, the Catholic Church and feminists actually teamed up to attack pornography in the 80s. There's a book about that, (can't remember name of the author off the top of my head though). Is it "The Uncomfortable Marriage: Evangelism and Feminism’s Fight against ‘Dirty Books" by Roger A. Soenksen? Not a book though, but a conference paper
>>1574729 >You won't do shit.
>>1574692 synthetic man would tell that fag to kill himself
>>1570512 It is so easy to tell that an AI wrote this that it's easy to dismiss. >>1569953 The current paradigm is Christianity(/Judaism) vs Islam(/Judaism), and from a combination of normalfags, aging Millennials and Gen X, populist politics, third worlders, and women generally, a sort of Neo-Puritanism has taken hold in which women and children are meant to be protected and supported along a strict, sensationalist line. Anime has, historically speaking, been tied to many aspects of online rightism, and every first world country is at least somewhat Christian, so it pervades things. The youth, despite partaking in outwardly degenerate dress and expression more than ever, have been captured by Neo-Puritanism through longstanding issues related to sex in American society which have spilled out into the rest of the world and are ultimately caused by the existence of minorities. Unfortunately for the anime right and others like them, the current coalition on the right is composed of populists, or what would be referred to as the "moral majority". This moral majority supports boomers, women, grifters, Jews, rappers, Blacks, Indians, etc in positions of power as long as they're "based," and play off of sensational (and not entirely unjustified) enemies (i.e. Muslims, China, AI, transsexuals, illegal immigrants) to achieve the longstanding goals of political forces such as Evangelists, and, nowadays, Feminists. For these reasons, the entire world has to suffer as long as it's connected to the United States, and the United States has to suffer as long as it's connected to the elderly. The anime right tries to cope with this by saying that things will change after Trump, particularly in regards to Vance, who has known connections to personalities on the online right. However, his primary inspirations are homosexuals (Thiel, Camus) or wannabe homosexuals (Yarvin), his wife is Indian, and those he is connected to on the online right are anti-anime homosexuals themselves (BAP), pro-anime third worlder feminists-by-proxy, anti-anime America-obssessed Canadians, etc. Things look bleak. Pornography is obviously too pervasive in society and has a negative impact on the lives of many, but going after freedom of expression for labored works (i.e. work which requires extensive hours of creativity and is the ultimate result of that, not just the physical activity found in typical real life pornography productions) instead of creating alternative platforms is the sort of knee-jerk reaction supported by future wifeguys and present third worlders and desired by feminists and multinational corporations.
>>1574769 He's surprisingly chill despite his sperg infested videos and actively dislikes his KF/Try hard Chud aspects of his fanbase. I'm still surprised how he handled all Josh and KF attacking him for fucking a vtuber in a pretty mature fashion.
>>1574831 To offer a solution to this, I think it would be best if Steam had created a secondary storefront for adult titles, improved its UI to make it easier to discern and filter adult titles, improved its tag system to be based on strength and included discernment between Developer and Community tags, made adult and suggestive titles disabled from view by default, implemented categorization based on game engine, implemented categorization based on national origin (and required the listing of national origin), increased the cost of listing titles in high frequency to the point that it's prohibitive to spamming, and required an age gate check every time Steam is started, visibility of adult and suggestive titles to the average user would go down significantly, it would be easier to weed out children committing fraud, and games which are too afraid of being hit by Valve would be more willing to join. Instead, Valve is a company with the same productivity as the average Japanese dev company, which is to say, none at all, but for the completely opposite reason as Japanese companies. Valve is leashed by its flat design which causes it to strangle any new ideas. Half-Life 3? L4D3? Keeping UI skins? All of that goes away because somebody at the company gets mad when another person at the company is maintaining it or it's leaked in a documentary. It's a completely inefficient way to run a company, but Valve is held afloat by monopoly power which should be shattered by the FCC (as should many other companies which double as developers and storefronts, and even payment processors themsevles). You won't get negotiation with payment processors or Valve creating its own payment processor or UI improvements. You'll get Chinese games being pushed, constant sales full of games you've never heard of, brown people spamming indie porn games, support for Windows 7 and 8 removed, inefficient Proton development and modification, Half-Life Alyx, Deadlock, indie porn games you will never hear of again dominating the Popular Upcoming, the Popular Free tab, games being delisted when their remaster or remake is released, game news in your library, shelves, the modern libary game pages, etc. You'll get it and can't do anything about it if you want to continue using Steam. While there are plenty of free frontends for game libraries out there, none of them have enough concerted development or visibility, and if any of them had the later, Valve or Microsoft or EA would step in and ban API calls from them. However, it's impossible for them to be visible enough because they not only lack financial support, but have to go against the userbase of a globalized internet. Ranjesh from Manipur and Carlito from Buenos Aires and Mubuku from Lagos and Sven from Sweden and Ivan from Russia aren't going to care about free frontends when they not only don't have institutional support, they actually have institutions and popular culture working against them.
>>1574831 >It is so easy to tell that an AI wrote this that it's easy to dismiss. Anon that irrelevant, suits aren't like you they won't dismiss simply because it's AI,they would whoever dismiss if they saw an ESL wrote it and have grammatical errors.
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https://steamdb.info/app/2082810/ This is one of the games that got taken down. I just right clicked on the unavailable item on my Steam wish list then put in the ID number on SteamDB. Fuck
>>1574831 >It is so easy to tell that an AI wrote this that it's easy to dismiss. Kinda like your post, but I suppose that was the joke?
>>1575273 >dat price history lolz
>>1572571 >>1572615 >>1573072 >>1574313 This reminds me of a chapter from Carl Rorger's "On Becoming a Person", where he describes the conditions for creative thought to take place. The whole chapter is fun but this section in particular is of note here. <Conditions for fostering psychological creativity [...] <Psychological freedom. When a teacher, parent, therapist, or other facilitating person permits the individual a complete freedom of symbolic expression, creativity is fostered. This permissiveness gives the individual complete freedom to think, to feel, to be, whatever is most inward within himself. It fosters the openness, and the playful and spontaneous juggling of percepts, concepts, and meanings, which is a part of creativity. Note that it is complete freedom of symbolic expression which is described. To express in behavior all feelings, impulses, and formings may not in all instances be freeing. Behavior may in some instances be limited by society, and this is as it should be. But symbolic expression need not be limited. Thus to destroy a hated object (whether one’s mother or a rococo building) by destroying a symbol of it, is freeing. To attack it in reality may create guilt and narrow the psychological freedom which is experienced. TL:DR: censorship hinders mental health/development.
>>1575865 >This reminds me of what a (((psychologist))) said Now tell me about penis envy.
>>1575933 Well Jung cites a couple of examples of women craving/needing their father's/therapist's/husband's magic wands or swords. He says it's not so much a matter of sex as it is of the penis representing the patient's own animus, which helps them overcome challenges by means of facilitating the individualization process. Alternatively, the penis symbol is a means for them to integrate traits typically associated with male figures in their life into their own personality. I think Archetypes and the Collective Unconcious mentions at least one example on that. Outside a therapeutic context, penis envy as witnessed regularly among feminists is just women seeking power by hook or by crook without any introspection. They don't understand what traditionally male traits result in the acquisition of power and think merely having a penis is sufficient to become a leader.
>>1574313 If society were any good we wouldn't need porn, everyone would just have a wife unfortunately shit is fucked six ways from sunday and people have fucked up fetishes and shit oh well, fallen world and all that. i would much rather prefer porn artists get a job that is better for their mind and soul and society. fuck it make all porn ai lmao who cares
>>1574941 >Instead, Valve is a company with the same productivity as the average Japanese dev company, which is to say, none at all, Reminder japanese companies are adopting crypto and alternate payment processors faster than westoid companies are, to the point it's not just porn sites that are doing such.
>>1576428 I am always actually interested in debating this kind of thing, it's nice to bring historical facts into play for example (moses was a real person and this is confirmed by egyptian historians about 2-3 BC)
>>1575025 suits don't have the time to read allat, they want easily digestible bullet points in a short powerpoint deck, preferably created by a big three consulting firm after slinging them a few million to back whatever strategy gets the suit the most money and fucks over their competition
>>1571796 >Ross Scott after years of inhaling black mold spores >I am growing stronger.
>>1567477 don't forget the part where they turn a blind eye to real life c hild rape gangs. fucking hypocrites, the lot of them.
>>1568338 >(Things that don't have physical form are haram in shinto, digital or spiritual entities must still be embodied or housed in a material medium otherwise they will lose themselves and turn evil). oh my god, tamagotchi & v-tamers make so much sense now, wow...
>>1567696 >Yet Japan rejects their demands When have they ever? DLSIte bent the knee and every single Jap game studio has replaced male/female with type 1/type 2
>>1576467 Already gave you that
>>1575865 I would bet good money deviantart has created more degenerates than it has helped degenerates recover.
>>1576020 What's wrong with the Nort Sentinel tribe?
>>1578430 Have DLsite removed any product from store?, only changed some terms. Most Japanese shops just banned Western IP from accesing their sites, Melonbooks just stopped dealing with Visa and Mastercards. DLsite care less and less that Loligames are tagged with petite so they show up more and more. Many nations see the USA as a adversary and a ever changing regulation not fit for buisinis
>>1576020 >>1581037 Isn't this the tribe which christian missionaries illegally try to get to again and again and get btfo'd or have to be rescued every time?
>>1581230 Not more than Thailand.
>>1581037 A specific strain of butthurt Christian is mad people can't go there to preach the gospel because its inhabits actively attack outsiders That said, I have never once in my life heard anybody mention the Sentinelese in that context, most of his image is oddly inaccurate in fact.
>>1581416 Research? There are absolutely no sources for those claims and I can't find any. While that child abuse incident did happen, those bottom two images appear unrelated. That said, this woman apparently is infamous in feminist circles regardless. She's an anti-abortion conservative Christian trying to mask her views in feminism to be more appealing to women. It might be better to hedge on that.
>>1581554 It's fine if you disagree, I'm mostly coming from a place of what normalfags would care about because I think they're burned out after a decade of facts-and-logic'ing feminists, but Reist doesn't appear to have anything to do with the Areum Lee case. You can get bitchy and browbeat all you want, that doesn't create a connection.
>>1574714 This is correct, and the lines will continue on that path forever unfortunately
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Sounds like pirates win again. Payment processors can go get fucked.
>>1581416 Am I stupid or what, I've read the Wiki excerpt several times over and struggling to see the link between that rape case and these women
>>1571241 >>1571630 >payment processors are banks because they print money >thinks that's how payment processors work >thinks banks print money Not helping your case, apologies
>>1581416 >>1581673 I tried searching for what the link is between Collective Shout/Melinda Reist and WOMAD and the best I could find was someone linking them linking an article about a South Korean feminist protest, and the article doesn't even mention WOMAD specifically. https://x.com/CollectiveShout/status/1006334187534671873 https://archive.is/CWukk If anyone has evidence of an actual link please post it.
>>1581416 >(AUS) Found one other problem.
TERFs/SWERFs that persecute adult content and target queer people for enjoying sexual content never cared about "feminism" or what it has historically meant, they care about serving Trump's agenda while masquerading as a legitimate cause.
>>1581869 I wouldn't originally have agreed but since learning more about radfems, it seems a lot of them literally are anti-LGBT female tradcons trying to psyop other women into being right-wing (based). That said, most of them don't like Trump.
>>1581869 >queer
>>1581899 They're typically very close to the Republican Party anyhow, as the majority of women want to have bodily autonomy, rights, etc. In response, radfems claim such things are "male oppression" and that only Trump/whoever his theoretical successor can protect them from such evils. You see this all the time with how radfems speak about transgender people as if their right to access healthcare, exist out in public, participate in society, and so on as if they threaten women, when the reality is it enforces rigit, tightly controlled gender norms. Radfems who employ anti-sex, anti-porn rhetoric are inherently anti-LGBTQ and anti-women, and serve nobody but fascism.
>>1581963 So what you're saying is that radfems are good?
>>1582057 Trump is built for BBC?
Saying "X is the problem" is worthless. By its very nature, any governmental entity will do whatever is in its own self interest, and its interest is to govern as easily as possible, which results in an inevitable crawl towards more control over its population. In the US, voting Democrat or Republican isn't the problem, it's voting for individuals who don't want to make their jobs more difficult. This isn't to say that a government should have minimal control over everything. When it comes to individuals and smaller entities, then yes, the government should implement control only over absolute necessities like honoring contracts. However, when it comes to larger entities, the government should be used as a tool by society to ensure that they (Visa and Mastercard, for example) cannot act as defacto governments. Otherwise, capitalism devolves into an oligarchy, and the government simply becomes a tool for the wealthy to maintain their position to the detriment of everyone else.
>>1582149 Based social democracy and progressive populism
>>1576020 You forgot the mandatory star of remphan necklace and yarmulke.
>WAAAAAH MY SHOVELWARE GARBAGE CHILD RAPE GAMES GOT TAKEN OFF STEAM Holy shit you guys are pathetic KEK
<<1582374 >First they came out for the shovelware garbage child rape games >And I did not speak out >Because I did not play shovelware garbage child rape games
>>1582149 Isn't that how it's always been though? Basically rules for us plebs and little to no rules for the ruling class? that's how it's always been... (Except when the plebs had artificial bargaining power post the black death). As a side point all these different porn laws and rules make so little sense in the end. Why not just classify (live action) porn as prostitution? (sexual services for money, only difference is the camera in the room) the free speech arguments only makes sense if it's an actual performance with only "simulated sex". And since video games along with images and animation are considered art (not real) they (should) fall under free speech. Supposedly I thought the government couldn't get in the way of that. Wouldn't something like an organization funded by the government that is violating free speech be considered part of that? Anything that gets state funding should be considered part of the state... Right?
>>1582374 >>1582388 Steam never never allowed anything like that in the first place. It seems this time it's anything even remotely fetishy or non vanilla... Tldr. Only the standard "safe horny" reddit style of erotica will be ok on the platform. And that includes anything and everything LGBT++ related. (Furrys might start to get the ax this time though)
>>1581092 >>1581372 >missionaries are still a thing in the year of our lord twenty-twenty five Good for those spearchuckers, i hope those preachy cunts tasted good.
>>1582452 As much as steam banned loli oneshota content seemingly got a free pass.
>>1582494 Probably not anymore I would guess... Only gay shota is semi allowed by Twitter and Reddit mods.
>>1567504 All we have to do is make prostitution legal. Why bend over backwards and jump through flaming hoops to watch pixels on a screen when you can just head to the whorehouse and blow off some steam? >>1568051 >Can someone from the cuckbelt testify The block is real, but you'd have to be a sheep among sheep to comply with ID checks on a goddamn porn site of all things. There are infinite porn sites on the web.
>>1569338 It's time to trade chickens, beans, and daughters for video games, anon.
>>1582425 Not entirely, at least not in the US. There are the two well-known US Oil and Railroad industries that used to be monopolies but got smacked into pieces, and then there's the somewhat recent breakup of AT&T (1982). It's only recently that these massive companies aren't being broken up. Microsoft and Google had Sherman Act lawsuits, but both are currently fully intact. Still, there were consequences that they had to swallow. Despite everything going on with corporate bs, there's still a chance it could get better. Unfortunately, it's so easy to manipulate the public by screaming "think of the children!" I'm of the personal opinion that the government shouldn't be legislating morality, but rather against acts that inhibit moral activity, but I've had conversations with way too many people where I bring up the topic of owning certain things (full-auto, suppressors, explosives, hentai lmao) and they just respond with "You don't need it, so why should it be allowed?" Maybe we're just not vocal enough about it that certain things are being taken away from us. At the same time, it's incredibly hard to be vocal about wanting to own things that are, to the average individual, perceived to be odd and, for certain topics, degenerate. Advocating for the right to own loli, for example, doesn't really fly too well with most people. It's definitely a difficult stance to take. On a funny related note, did you know that the ACLU, of all groups, defended the KKK and neo-Nazis (actual ones) for their right to free speech in the past? Even better, one of the lawyers was a Jew.
>>1581963 I'm reading mostly good things here, maybe you should join the other 42% of your kind?
Maybe i am stupid, but after going through SteamDB i can only find those few WEGs removed and until a few hours ago eroge is still accepted on the store. Lot of renames with less ambiguous titles.
>>1582452 >Safe horny Taimanin and Kuroinu are on steam…
>>1582912 Didn't They censor those games, because of school girl outfit?
>>1582852 >>Mfw, reading this cringe post. More like (((we))) lolz
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>>1582932 >VISA/Mastercard rape DLsite, DMM and Melonbooks along with a ton of other websites >Company comes out saying that "both" lol companies are pressuring them <No the fault was always Valve You retards need to blow your fucking brains out already.
>>1572571 https://archive.is/mZDDD Egad is a moralist that uses the "correlation = causation" arguments in some of his articles and comments that he posts in Substack and a hypocrite. He gives violent games a free-pass while games with sexual content is in his radar. He bitches about "center-libertarians" while not realizing that some of the people that he calls out on like Arch are liberals or worse, dumbass Leftists. He makes solid arguments on Wokeism, but he fumbles at other topics that make him look like an asshole. >>1574692 >He's an Orthodox Christian and fanboy of synthetic man for reference. What's incredibly funny is that Synth admitted to be a huge degenerate that fapped to futa in some of his streams, which is the opposite of what Egad wants: championing for a person who is moral and uncorrupt.
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>>1583068 >Synthetic Man I honestly don't get why this eceleb keeps getting brought up by imageboarders, other than the fact he panders to their mentalities. >futa Mhmm, if it were futa on female like Rondo Duo which made waves back then, I could see it as off-color but not a sign of "corruption," unless you're going by the standard that any sort of onanism is bad. The issue with futa as a fetish is of course that it goes both ways and it's become increasingly associated with pre-op trans autogynephilists in real life when the fetish is purely fantastical.
>>1583500 >I honestly don't get why this eceleb keeps getting brought up by imageboarders, other than the fact he panders to their mentalities. He's pretty much an average /v/ anon who decided to do content creation but is self aware of what he is. A lot of centrists, moralfags, trad cons and sjws hate him with a passion, where here the most common view is while a spergtastic fag his detractors are worse.
>>1583608 I really don't like giving people the "but the people who hate are worse" defense. It's often just a matter of time before they degrade to the point you can't even make that argument anymore.
>>1583621 Sure, but I think KF and sjws are much worse then some guy who just makes videos and doesn't actively harm anyone.
>>1583608 >where here the most common view is while a spergtastic fag his detractors are worse I've heard similar stories with DarkSidePhil that there were some fags who were trying to screw over him, but these people tend out to be worse than him.
>Collective Shout only target porn games https://ghostarchive.org/archive/kP89Y GTA also got banned in Australia due to them
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>>1582452 >Furrys might start to get the ax this time though) God please let this happen, let this fucking evil be purged from peoples minds.
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>>1584066 OK, still hope for all furry type smut to be purged from the internet, it would do an immense good for mankind.
>>1584066 >tfw no big tiddy anthro wife
>>1584235 Where did things go so bad we stopped lusting after human women?
>windows 11 sucks >games, cartoons, music, film and art sucks >payment processors, radfems and christians breathing down everyone's neck >perma-recession since 2008 >everyone is scared shitless of war >2 child rapist presidents in a row It's getting harder and harder to continue on. When will anything, anywhere get better?
>>1584325 Who said we stopped?
>>1567443 The bill or at least its basic intent is decent even though I would offer the banks and credit card companies two choices: 1. Honor all transactions in exchange for absolute immunity from any and all civil and legal liabilities concerning illegal good or services purchased or money laundering 2. Continue to act as "moral cops" in exchange for loss of any and all pre-existing liability protections.
>>1584325 I lust after all sorts of women regardless of species m8. I blame Mae from Shining Force - that damn Centaur girl ruined child me I was only 3 years old. Totally unprepared.
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>>1583789 I forgot my pic... Also while I'm at it. https://archive.ph/gHXbd >JUST IN: Mastercard says crypto stablecoins are "enabling faster, lower-cost cross-border payments." You have been warned.
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>>1584573 >porn games Put simply: it's the only form of porn with effort put into it and into the surrounding pleasantries. Movies try to justify some form of artistic merit by putting in sex scenes. These porn games are under no such delusion, but want to deliver a good experience nonetheless that's better than just 3dpd peepee in vagoo with ever-devolving fetishes. That's not true for 90% of these games. Most of them are the shovelware slop that you mention and I won't be losing tears over them, but it's the 10% that makes having the genre worth it. Well, yeah you shouldn't be jerking off all the time but consider where you are right now >VNs in general see vidrel
>>1584345 The world only wins if you give up. Give it the middle finger and tell it to sit and spin. Every day you wake up and refuse to give it the satisfaction of you surrendering, is a day the elites are pissed off. they're all psychopaths who live to see people suffer, so everytime someone finds a way around their bullshit, it's a small victory, but a victory nonetheless. >hack windows 7 to keep working >preserve and enjoy old media that isn't pozzed >refuse to acknowledge radfems and payment processors and fake cultists as anything more than nutjobs >enjoy the time you have now because war will happen anyway, no reason to dread the inevitable >those rapist presidents will still die like everyone else, they can't escape the passage of time Maybe it's unrealistic for me to be so optimistic, but I have hope in the future.
>>1584066 You will always be a monkey (not) having sex with other monkeys.
>>1584345 >When will anything, anywhere get better? When >>everyone is scared shitless of war fades away. The only power in this world greater than wealth is violence.
>>1571831 Yet they are full of blacked porn,interesting isn't it? Retarded faggot
>>1584418 for me i believe it was felicia from darkstalker. Catgirls were a trap from the very beggining.
>>1584442 I'm looking at this Collective Shout thing, and I wonder why women are still surprised some men beat them.
They should ban all content with m*rder in it because it's obviously bad.
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>>1584598 >spoiler Cuckchan newcancer has gotten way too comfortable with being terminally porn addicted.
>>1585260 Anon, we're fighting for sexiness to come back to vidya against puritan censorship because most of us personally enjoy it. It's a bit hypocritical to lambast people over liking porn.
>>1584442 >child abuse and violence against women But it depicts those things in a negative light. It's saying that happens and it's bad. Did a moron write that tweet? (Rhetorical question, I know) >>1585260 Sadly I think it's a societal issue, not just a cuckchan thing. ...you know some of the most regularly popular boards on this website are porn-centeic ones, right?
>>1585263 Liking porn is fine but with some cuckchanners you can tell that porn is legitimately the only thing they ever think about.
>>1585273 The sad thing is these people actively profit off of the misery of real victims while playing armchair psychologist to the powers that be. saying that they somehow know that fictional depictions of horrendous acts have some kind of actual effect on the real world, which if true would mean that they would also go after every fighting game ever made as those are basically woman abuse simulators according to their logic... If Rape-lay has caused actual rape, then Tekken, Street fighter and mortal Kombat must have caused an actual Holocaust by now, (along with every popular shooter ever made) >>1585277 Raging hormones do that to people, it's kind of the purpose.
>>1585290 >Raging hormones do that to people, it's kind of the purpose. Nope, still not normal.
>>1583068 >fapped to futa in some of his streams Modern futa is pretty gay these days. at least in the '90s and early 2000s a futa usually had a vagina... These days it's all just chicks with cocks and balls, it might as well be tranny propaganda at this point... Immensely disappointed with Japan. They've pretty much let every single hentai based fetish devolve into complete slop.... (Loli was probably the last holdout) >>1585311 For you, big guy
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>>1585277 Case in point >>1585322 >>1585290 >Raging hormones do that to people, it's kind of the purpose. <And That's A Good Thing
>>1584598 What's the 10%? I only saw the lowest of the low being removed.
>>1585333 Dunno, but I wouldn't bet on nothing good getting caught in the crossfire.
>>1585333 In terms of absolute quantity, aren't the 3D slop porn games the majority of the bunch?
>>1585341 Shitty Russian asset flips mainly, from what I've seen.
>>1583068 At this day and age futa is almost normie porn, that's why they are trying so hard to turn futa into some intersex abomination thing. I just want imaginary girls with cocks, so fuck off with your real men with tits.
>>1585277 nah, it's the only thing they think about around (you)
>>1585328 Don't get mad at me anon, be mad at God for giving (young) men an almost insatiable sex drive and an overactive imagination at the same time. My hope is genetic engineering removes that flaw (sex drive) from our design and then man can spend more time on breaking the 120 years age limit and colonizing the galaxy.
>>1585335 >>1585341 >>1585344 Clicking on the link to that Google doc spreadsheet seems to show quite a few anime games already removed, (I don't know if we have the dates for them though to correlate with the recent Purge) It'll be interesting to see if just changing names of tags and marketing things more slyly will be enough to get past this new wave of credit card processing / trad cuck crypto feminist censorship >>1585371 At least back in the day a futa character would be feminine and submissive, and even rightfully embarrassed that she had a hard-on above her female bits. I can't even remember the last time I saw a futa being submissive (or breedable) to a man. Now it's all just "hyper sized" homo lust (thanks ferries), with cock and ball fetishism. none of the original charm that made the fetish interesting in the first place. (At its most basic it's an attractive female character that has to wrestle with having the annoying / inconvenient sex drive of a male) feminist+LGBT entryism has made everything ugly and gay. Once again I'll be very surprised if any of the games aimed at normal fags chock full of LGBT and "modern audience" propaganda get delisted.
>>1585466 They will, like in the bush years. If only impotent jews weren't controlling both sides just to prevent people from enjoying their fetishes and something with beauty everything would be nice.
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Opened up the Steam store and there's AI 2D porn on the front page. Guess some of it is allowed? >>1584599 This, keep going, have white babies, and teach them to resist and hate the shit too.
>>1585492 >AI 2D porn Is that a screenshot from it?
>>1585510 Yeah, the image is ripped from the store page. It's called Milfy Way: Space Orgasm I've seen accounts on Etsy/Ebay sell fake brand merch made with AI (posters and such), and it seems primarily AI made games are also going to be very profitable. I wouldn't buy one though because the art styles never match up.
>>1585533 >A milf game Milf and cuger are pretty tame mainstream fetishism. It will probably be fine until Darth Vader starts altering the deal with vavle. From what I've heard over 30 percent (it's probably way more) of new releases on steam use generative AI. (And it's only going to go up every year)
So Ana Valens some piece of shit from VICE fucked off from there after VICE removed the article calling collective shout out https://archive.vn/CJr0M Snakes backstabbing each other
>>1585686 Isn't that the pedo who placed a vibrator in his ass that went off when playing fallguys, a game which is played mostly by kids?
>>1585686 >Ana Valens Tranny that ruined his career kicking the hornet's nest that is v-tuber fans. >>1585901 Also got humiliated by people digging up all his fetish fantasy audio of him wanting women put in breeding farms for free use.
>>1585901 Yes, and its the one who did a smear campaign against Kirsche.
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>>1585918 >>1585926 A disgusting freak.
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>>1585918 Their mentions on Wikipedia are certainly something
>>1585996 >Healslut has a Wikipedia entry How the fuck
Been mulling over this, for a bit. Unsure if this relates to the issue but here goes. What if... Payment processors... Are classified public utilities?
>>1586033 They're not necessary, though. And all banks are private entities using privately-issued currency, so the law can't list them as utilities, either.
>>1585546 This is why I don't really put faith in Stop Killing Games. It pisses off the right people, but it's not retroactive and even if by some miracle it's put into effect, the games it's going to save are gonna be valueless AI slop.
>>1567443 I don't see the problem. I don't want porn in video games.
>>1586144 You're also incredibly short sighted.
>>1584345 >When will anything, anywhere get better? According to pic related, it will get worse and worse and worse until the Earth burns down and everyone dies. The end :)
>>1584345 >>1584599 >It's getting harder and harder to continue on >unrealistic for me to be so optimistic This is useless nostalgiafaggotry. Just switch to Linux and dual boot Windows, find new media that you like, and don't be an alarmist about "radfems" (as if those are still a political force in the same way they were ten years ago and haven't transmuted into the state or bled into Christians) and war and the president, especially when nothing concrete about the current president has been released. You still have to go to work tomorrow, why not improve your life instead of worrying about useless things?
>>1586440 >especially when nothing concrete about the current president has been released If they've got nothing on him then where the hell is that list? Do you "work" under his desk in the oval office?
Kinda funny because of the tranny that left VICE i've seem some people talk about how collective shout aren't feminists and then they go out of their way to call them feminists just "the wrong type".
>>1586478 They genuinely are backed puritan pseudo-Christians, not that there aren't a lot of anti-porn feminists out there. I call them pseudo-Christians because like most Christian lobbyist groups, they are not authentically Christian. They probably believe in God and worship Jesus, but their Christianity is an excuse to moralfag about shit that doesn't matter. They espouse views the Bible doesn't even hold, for instance. Jesus did not say "Bitch about porn games on Steam".
>>1586444 Their orange kike daddy is currently trying to distract us by persecuting Obama as if that nigger has any relevance anymore. Fucking nigger hasn't even been president since I was in kindergarten!
>>1586438 >it will get worse and worse and worse until the Earth burns down and everyone dies. The end :) Pretty sure it gets worse and worse until the Earth burns down, and then Jesus comes back to vanquish Evil for all time, restores the Earth, resurrects the faithful and the saints, and will create a New Jerusalem where peace will reign forever.
>>1584769 >Catgirls were a trap from the very beggining.
>>1586513 They are but they are still just another branch of feminists
>>1584769 It's a shame you're really gay anon. I'll be enjoying my catgirls in the meantime while you suck dicks :)
>>1586513 american christians are really weird, instead of going after things like mudslimes or known pedophile rings theyd rather sue digital libraries because they offer their version of the bible
>>1586541 >Fucking nigger hasn't even been president since I was in kindergarten! >[I am 9 years old] Explains a lot about the quality of comments here.
>>1586438 It's unreal how much I fedoras while being atheist myself.
>>1586879 >being an atheist to begin with
>>1586558 After billions are cast into Hell for all eternity. Unless you're righteous (I hope so) few will live to see things get better once this life is over. That's the point I was making in my post; things won't improve any time soon. >>1586910 Like a coprophiliac turning his nose up at a diaperfag. Zero self-awareness. >>1586635 You'd think they'd focus on preventing the construction of the third temple and the sacrificing of the red heifer, but nope, their idea of saving the world is taking down PornHub one nibble at a time. That'll show the antichrist! And don't forget to pray for Israel!
>>1586061 I'm way less worried about AI slop then I am about censorship. People said the same thing about mobile games killing every other type of game. The garbage Will come and go but the good stuff will find an audience.
>>1586635 American Christians were ideologically captured in the 1800's by the worst kind of protestant heretics. Hence why shit like Mormonism or Christian Scientist could only flourish in the same land where PT Barnum said "There's a sucker born every minute"
>>1587250 Okay, i've got some stuff referencing the actual darkness (albeit it's about 200 years later quoted from someone else quoting a lost text) showing how there legitimately was darkness and an earthquake about noon during his crucifying and it last about 6 hours (eclipses don't last this long) Also there's belief then there's what you know, anyone who doubts Jesus was a real person is ignorant of history.
>>1587256 I don't think anyone but the biggest retards deny that Jesus was real.
>>1587293 We've had retards here try saying Jesus never existed despite pagan Romans mentioning his existence.
>>1587353 >The god who knows everything and loves you and wants the best for you (yes i know this is opening up a shit ton of hate potential even saying this) doesn't care about what you do Does your dad care if you do drugs anon?
>>1587351 The written record of Ea-Nasir selling poor-grade copper has survived since 1750 BC. I very much doubt they made that up. It's reliable.
>>1585901 >Isn't that the pedo who placed a vibrator in his ass that went off when playing fallguys, a game which is played mostly by kids? No, she just had it as a necklace while playing.
>>1587353 People are treating this thread a bit too much like it's the gamergay thread.
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>>1587296 <slop That aside, the biggest people gaining from AI are artists, because imagine that, they understand art and therefore know how best to use it. AI output is tinged yellow because dumbasses were spamming so much Ghibli OpenAI art on the net that got scraped back into models in classic model collapse. >>1585466 <I saw a futa being submissive (or breedable) to a man What in the absolute fuck dude. The entire point is that futa = "I don't have to watch a dude fucking a girl," that's why it's so common in works dominated by female characters like 2hu and why it receives hatred from yuri enthusiasts. I never actually thought people would be into male and dickgirl. >>1585996 >>1587442 <Their <she >not HE Cuckchan once again cementing its presence. >>1587353 >Any evidence that God actually gave a crap about what his creations fapped to? Jesus Christ essentially became the last sacrifice to absolve humanity of its sin, referring to when Jews would make ritual sacrifices of animals and grain in korban which is fucking retarded. His crucifixion rendered that and other similar retardations like not lighting a flame/turning on a light switch behind in the dust. Naturally, Jews since then have become super fucking mad at Christians for not having to deal with said retardations while they engage in pilpul to try to get around them, hence the subversion of Christianity into dispensationalist denominations. So whacking it to an anime girl is completely fine for the sane Christian; Jesus wouldn't want you raping women, but might raise an eyebrow at you not consensually plowing a woman and getting her preggers, although that's not really your fault since so many strayed from his teachings to create said state of affairs.
>>1587411 To be honest i'm not quite sure what the accuracy of radio metric or whatever dating is past a few thousand years, i've heard there's problems with that >>1587496 >Pornography and banning it for sale >Not linked can't talk about one thing without it leading to the other which is pornography as evil
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>>1587508 >So whacking it to an anime girl is completely fine for the sane Christian It's not fine, you should recognize it as not fine, you'll probably do it multiple times, but never recognize it as fine, otherwise you deny what sin is and you make yourself a liar in your heart.
>>1587515 The point I was making is that the gamergay thread is the traditional home of theological discussion on this board. A thread specifically about payment processors isn't really intended to be the hub for theological discussion.
>>1587525 Right, but you can't bar discussion from hopping to its logical conclusion, otherwise this is reddit.
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>>1587531 The original inquiry was >>1587353 >Any evidence that God actually gave a crap about what his creations fapped to? I don't remember seeing anything about that. And my answer was that He and Jesus, going off of the Bible only with no "but actually" insertions that denominations tend to insert, are indifferent which answers said inquiry. You don't see anything in the Bible about masturbation because Jesus and Matthew strictly touched only on adultery and the Seventh Commandment. Anything else is fanfic much like sainthood. That's about it, shouldn't be complicated. Like 75% of this thread is just assmad leftist cuckchanners trying to deflect from feminism being once again the suspect encroaching on creative expression and video games to get back at men by going <muh Christcuck despite fooling nobody, as if normalfags didn't already give these cunts an inch and found out how badly they ruined their hobby.
>>1587553 >so take this reddit meme. Take it and shove it up your ass.
I go to the meta thread complain that not everything is off-topic and deserving to be deleted just for you niggers to come by and legitimately waste hours discussing whether god exists, yet again, rather than discuss anything much more pragmatically useful and connected to the topic of the processor's pressure on retail. Some of you niggers really have nothing better to do and deserve having everything turned into swiss cheese.
>>1587578 It's kind of my fault so I'll take what responsibility I can. My other posts got ignored so I assumed the religious ones would also be dust in the wind. >>1587597 We don't need science to prove porn is harmful. Our bald friend here took care of that five years ago.
>>1587638 anon please some weird looking bald dude alone does not cut it
>>1587597 >you can't because any science about it is buried about how harmful it is What do you mean? Dopamine and its insensitivity is one of the most studied subjects in all of psychology and neurology, it's not a mystery at all, it's just that most people don't give a shit about it because they just want pleasure, and there's a vested interest in making them that way perpetrated by people cleverer and more powerful than them. You can argue for and against any balance you want here, and there's pros and cons to basically all ways you go from here, but the point remains that curbing pleasure seeking behavior is antithesis to my wish for freedom, and this is where I'll stand. I give a shit about porn because I want for there to be porn, I don't want my own pleasures to be limited by puritans who have no self control by themselves. Why punish the many for the sins of the few? The few extreme degenerates crashing and burning to their own early graves is not my concern.
>>1587578 >Wow, I deliberately entered a thread about a topic I do not like and now I am mad. How could this be happening to me? Literally embodied. You can't have a discussion about the socioeconomic and psychological ramifications of banning porn without a discussion about the civilizational underpinnings of the acceptance/rejection of porn itself. If you don't understand that, you don't have the requisite knowledge to be in this thread anyway.
>>1587735 >anon makes a half hearted joke that the world is shit >this leads to people calling each other atheists and virtue signalling by discussing whether god really existed or not, AGAIN, as if we don't have that discussion literally every gg thread >wooow they're talking about the payment processors, you see, it's about a topic you don't like and god's existence has a lot to do with it I'll eat the bait, but go fuck yourself.
>>1587723 >basically all ways you go from here, but the point remains that curbing pleasure seeking behavior is antithesis to my wish for freedom, and this is where I'll stand. Then you have no problem with it being cracked down on since you're a smart enough cookie to find it in harder to reach places, right?
>>1587765 Do you really think that curbing porn like this will have any tangible effect other than being yet another arbitrary large scale manipulation tactic to be used against society? Just look at how easy it is for retards to get their hands on drugs, which are far more limited in availability that porn can ever be, and arguably just as damaging. As it stands now, the porn curbing is only for arbitrarily undesirable shit, it WILL be used even more arbitrarily as time goes on but I don't see it stopping ALL porn, and even if it does miraculously curb all porn, at worst you'd be making undesirables richer when they provide you the forbidden fruit by extorting you money. It wouldn't be wit that helps you get it because it's such a fundamental pleasure tool, there's too much interest in it and hence there would be a financial underground competition for it. The only thing currently controlled and that you legitimately could more easily gain access to through genuine wit is a place for free speech, which can get even worse as time goes on, but porn will never reach this same level of unavailability because there's too much pressure and interest and the means to provide vary intensely.
>>1587801 >I think it'll stop people who are too stupid to go the extra step at least. It's not being stupid that gets in the way of people getting drugs, trust me. All they have to do is look for it and they'll eventually find it. Unless you somehow instill a lot of celibacy and sex-negative culture on your population, that won't happen, there will always be people either looking for it or creating bullshit for each other, especially with digital means making it super easy to share, but if you manage to do so, what's the end game? Is it balancing pleasures? Increasing fertility? What's the purpose of even doing this on a large scale. >I don't mind cracking down on people who make money off such a thing Although we could say it would be just an ownership exchange, where instead of corporate investors we'd have porn-lords and rampant underground prostitution still profiting just the same, at the very least it would make it a lot harder for them to centralize and try to intentionally push suspicious agendas through porn, like the weird emergence of sibling (or, sorry, "step-sibling") porn.
>>1587852 While i understand what you're saying and do agree, i genuinely don't know the best way of curbing such a thing other then AT LEAST informing people of the dangers of pornography so they can at least be aware it's harmful, of course good luck having that get any airtime but some popular youtube channels (i saw at least 2 covering the effects of porn on the brain) would be a good place to start. Man i just don't want people doing such sinful shit for money you know? especially when it fucks up not only your mind but your soul. If you're going to do evil to make money at least be AWARE it's evil.
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So I can't help but notice that Collective Shout is an anti-porn organization. And right now, this thread is constantly getting derailed by "anti-porn" posters. Doing some basic digging into the "Christian" organizations CS is partnered with: <National Center on Sexual Exploitation (((Hebrew Catholic))) (((Jew York))) <CATWA (((Hebrew Catholic))) (((Washington))) <NATIONAL COUNCIL OF JEWISH WOMEN OF AUSTRALIA (((JEWISH))) It's ALWAYS the Jews at the end of the day, trying to shift the blame. And once again, they want to attack any competition to their grip on pornography and sex trafficking, through their cultural gynocentrism and pozz. Not much of a surprise to learn on top of the feminism, but case closed.
Seems like collective shout retards are doing the old playbook of making false emails >"You are morally bankrupt and destroying civilization! How dare you say gamers getting off on the sexual torture of women & kids makes us violent? Also in my inbox this morning:" https://archive.vn/LVyN8
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>>1589374 >We are Going to RAPE YOU You Are Going To Be Raped And Killed No I completely believe somebody sent this, that sounds like something an anon would say when somebody makes a typo
>>1589374 >We are Going to RAPE YOU You Are Going To Be Raped & Killed You Stupid Cunt me when my dog trips me
>>1585290 >I'm not addicted! Dedicating several hours/day to consuming porn is healthy and normal! YOU'RE the weird one! Anon take a step back and look at yourself.
>>1589435 Long term porn consumption is bad for your mental health, absolutely, but that's not what's being discussed here. Private companies are enforcing what products can or can't be purchased, that is outrageous. They're intentionally targeting wrongthink because people like you will defend it, but if they get away with this they will push on to other things. Imagine not being able to buy a gun or rent an apartment because the payment duopoly blacklisted certain clientele.
>>1589374 Also founder of Collective shout is a Cuties apologist, reset the clock >The film was condemned as “(external link)sick and demonic”; the director was characterised as “another Hollywood pedo” (even though Cuties is not a Hollywood film); and Texas Senator Ted Cruz called for a judicial investigation. >I was unexpectedly moved. More nuanced than I anticipated, the film was one more cultural artefact in a long line of “Exhibit A’s” demonstrating that girls are under siege. Beyond outrage, I just felt sad, overwhelmed by what girls are up against as they are rushed down a steel-jaw trapped path on their way to “womanhood.” https://archive.vn/HyShI
>>1589374 >Fucked with gamers If only! Get me some bitch on my dick!
What i find weird is that almost no major influencer is talking about all this,Asmongold is silent, legendary drops is silent, bellular says nothing. This is a major happening which can alter gaming.
>>1589684 Don't rely on an E-celeb to do anything that doesn't immediately benefit their bottom line - and doesn't bite the corporate hand that feeds.
>>1589684 Almost like the source of their e celeb money came from the same company that is pushing for this.
>>1589435 Oh fuck off, if he wants to do that shit leave him be. Live and let live, i can lay in the sun farming skincancer with no issues or deadlifting when the veins go pop and no one see that as a problem. You are having a problem because he looks at porn, if he was addicted to knitting you would probably be even supportive of it.
>>1589696 Which means you can trust them either while hordes of idiots take their words for gospel.
>>1589711 People use the term addiction too much, it's one of these words that barely have any meaning when used most of the time
>>1567696 >Yet Japan rejects their demands If that was actually the case, stores like DLSite wouldn't have bent the knee to payment processors like Visa or Master Card, but they did. >>1581091 >Have DLsite removed any product from store? Not outrigt, but they geoblocked certain tags completely outside of Japan. That means a lot of eroges sell much less due to normies not knowing what a VPN is. Some of them had to look into alternatives like migrating to or also releasing their products on other platforms like Steam as a result.If t
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>>1587752 >[just making shit up] >[can't reply to what was actually said] >U BAD CUZ U PROVE WRONG Just don't reply at all if you're incapable of replying to the topic. Why would this be difficult for someone of even average intelligence to comprehend?
>>1589458 >Private companies are enforcing what products can or can't be purchased, that is outrageous. Why are you only now becoming aware of this? They've been doing this for decades. >Imagine not being able to buy a gun They're doing this already. They just reclassified guns as a separate "purchase category" for cards so that they can track every gun non-cash gun purchase and send it directly to the government. The problem no one (forgive me; haven't read the whole thing) in this thread is addressing is that this is ingrained into the legal design of our entire economy. To get this to stop, you have to uproot the Federal Reserve itself. These payment processors are private companies (so is the Fed) and thus, under our current laws, can deny purchases of anything, at any time, for any reason. They aren't legally required to do business with, say, gun shops as an entire category of stores. And the Fed (and its subsidiary banks) is under no obligation to allow "your own payment processor" to access its services, so you explicitly cannot "make your own." Any social effort to undo this one single action taken by the credit card companies is completely useless, because the sword wound is across the entire stomach and the single stitch won't do a goddamned thing to stop the bleeding. To use a metaphor.
I just wanna ask, Are we la resistance yet?
Something else I want to note about >>1589374. I despite when a person or group catches heat for doing something shitty or immoral, and immediately deflect with "I'm getting death threats" for sympathy and tries to flip the whole thing, every conversation will have to start with a ritualized "I'm against the threats! Of course that's a awful terrible thing, and nobody should stand for.." and so on before any criticism can take place. This is called DARVO and it's a classic tactic for shitheads who try to escape their wrongdoing. >>1589818 >[can't reply to what was actually said] This is the absolute worst kind of reply, when a person completely talks past you. GC was infamous for this. I think people do this unintentionally, when somebody is browbeating or more interested in asserting their own point than listening to others. Or when a person can't think of a response to a certain point so they just ignore it.
>>1589844 Only real way to fight back is to buy from places that refuse to bend over for this shit. (That probably means learning how to use crypto currency). And letting developers know you're willing to go outside of steam/valve to get their works. Also, wasn't the whole thing about uncensor patches the way most hentai games were dealing with possiblitys like this? By gate keeping the actual sex content from idiots? It seems like the porn devs started to forget about that. Looks like gabe didn't have to die for steam to turn into shit... This is what gamers get for trusting gay-ben. This should be a wakeup call for anyone that buys shit on steam (or anyone that buys shit in general) even trying to stay pure and buy physical media isn't a guarantee (not to mention that stuff could become contraband literally overnight with how stupid governments are today) Always be ready for the stuff you like to have to go underground, learn how to VPN and encrypt your shit. And only give shekels directly to the devs you can trust. Everything else go full jack sparrow...
>>1589967 Why is the pirate one also crying?
>>1567443 I've already sent the letter to my state representative. Do you think it's a proper letter worth sending?
I think this whole thing is an excellent example on why monetary systems are the enemy You should give donations only and accept donations only. The more complicated the economic system the more merchant behavior will propagate Pirate everything, Donate by sending cash in the mail or crypto
>>1589970 She has all the games in the world, but has no passion left in her, to play even one game, not even a childhood game.
>>1572571 He's doubling down on it (kek).
>>1589981 Perhaps she should have children? And play the games with them? (THIS IS TARGETED AT YOU, NOT WOMEN BTW)
>>1589970 Because reliable drives and blank media is expensive and getting harder to find... Takes up space and you can't enjoy the same convince of just streaming everything we you feel like it. So it's all a trade off. (Also worth noting the it's harder to pirate things because of stuff like denevo)
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>>1589986 Yeah, but she has to wait until they are old enough to play, and hope they turn out to be weebs like her... (Love quest is not a game for normies)
>>1590011 Surely if everyone works together we can construct a system for introducing children to manga?
It's obvious there's more than we can see at naked eye.
The general discussion around this subject has made me lose hope in humanity. /pol/ has been screaming about payment processors arbitrarily censoring people they don't like for over a decade now, but most people didn't seem to care. And now leftoids are arguing like they're not the ones that spearheaded such faggotry with things like operation chockpoint.
>>1585686 I admit I read the original article before it was taken down. How fucking ironic is it that trannies are now using the term "radical feminists"? One leftist radical group calling another leftist group radical? Let them kill each other. >>1587442 >She Holy fuck, fuck off back to where you came from tranny.
>>1590348 No one ever recognizes the bad guys as "one of them" Most people are less then human, and do not think if they can avoid it
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Did someone say Australia? https://x.com/JayViperTV/status/1947037342818001172 https://archive.fo/FQ6yQ Why does @CollectiveShout have so many people that worked in the Australian Government or public sector roles funded by the Australian government? Bernie Poljak: Finance & Administration Manager - Australian government Kate Hulusi: Secretay - Senior Management, public sector Louise Juracich: Treasurer - Australian government Alexandra Gorman: Director - coached individuals in government-linked sectors; also worked in public sector Laurinda Babb: Director - Background in management and law, including work in statutory schemes (often government-administered regulatory frameworks in Australia). Has worked in advocacy with the government and would have ties with people in government. Nothing says "grass roots" more than direct government ties!
>>1590394 >Fake NGO with government ties trying to censor people Yeah no shit nigger. Just look at like at leftoid ""grass root"" movement and organizations, they're absolutely riddled with this nepo shit.
>>1590411 >Fake NGO there is no such thing as a real NGO. all NGOs are really government organizations. they exist to bloat government in a less visible manner than if you just created a bunch of new "departments of wasting money" officially. you create them as NGOs and merely funnel endless tax payer money into them, giving all your nephews, nieces, wives and daughters cushy HR-tier "jobs" etc. NGOs are just government corruption given an ironic name.
>>1584442 >Australia But they're always banning games; can't have slightly stimulating contraband down in the penile colony.
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>>1589073 The only time someone ever got in trouble for wasting seed was when that one dude was supposed to bust inside his dead brother's wife and deliberately disobeyed God. Is giving your wife a facial also a sin?
>>1590750 >Is giving your wife a facial also a sin? Yes, as is anal. These are acts done in the name of lust, and lust is a sin. Doesn't matter if it's your own wife you're lusting over. You are inviting the devil into your bedroom. It is vain self-fulfillment, and does not glorify God.
>>1590787 If we are real your post is self gratification too, one uses his peen and the other morality and his ego.
>>1590803 Vanity fulfilled by spreading the word of God is a venial sin, at best. Ejaculating on your wife's face for the fulfillment of vanity and lust that does not serve God is a moral sin.
>>1590817 mortal* sin
>>1589458 >Imagine not being able to buy a gun because You can make very good arguments for needing a gun you can never make good arguments for needing porn >>1589711 >Let people do whatever they want even if it's completely self destructive, let those you care about completely wreck their minds and bodies you have no compassion
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>>1590787 >>1590887 You are so lost. Seek help.
>>1589073 >If you must sin, then do lesser things, like rapping a woman >rapping Nigger music confirmed less bad than fapping.
>>1590887 Yes lets have a theological debate on a forum filled to the brim with shemales and giant amount of other porn, wtf our you doing here?. You could be the pope for all i care but mostly you are a moron.
>>1586571 oh yeah katt, i think i also had a semi crush on her too, but i played BoF II after darkstalkers.
>>1590918 It's a physical assault on the ears is what it is (usually) >>1590887 >Personal relationship with you implying this as a bad thing is very funny
>>1590918 I'd always prefer blues and jazz music. Rap music can either be decent to listen or downright awful.
Jersh made a post about S.401 https://archive.ph/yuEtA >When GamerGate happened over 10 years ago, most people hyper-focused on trying to shut down the careers of a few retard feminists. It went nowhere. GamerGate lost. Wikipedia is more off the rails than ever and more influential than ever, all those women made appearances at the UN and Google, and things got worse as the world succumbed to a golden era for trannies that almost developed a proof-of-concept system for placing personal feelings over objective truth and limiting speech around that motif. >With that in mind, two things: >1. People are upset over Steam censoring games at the behest of the the payment networks. People are more upset over a feminist group in Australia taking credit. >2. There is a bill titled "Fair Access to Banking Act". >It is much, much easier for soy golems to look at the irrelevant screeching of a few retarded holes in Australia than it is to ask the question, "Why does a small activist group in Australia have the means to boss around the largest video game retailer the world has ever seen?". The answer is the payment networks. >I have written at length about payment networks (Section 230 isn't the Problem, Payment Networks Are. Where the Sidewalk Ends: The Death of the Internet, both in 2021). Many of you are familiar with how the Kiwi Farms is unmonetizable, and my mere association with it has not only led to payment processors demonetizing my other companies, but after forming the United States Internet Preservation Society (a 501c4 nonprofit) for the expressed purpose of petitioning the government to change laws on payment networks, I was indeed denied a payment processor for that because of "the principal's background". I am so thoroughly banned from PayPal that I cannot book an Uber with any credit card number it recognizes as mine. >Here is the text of the bill. >https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/401/text >This bill is insufficient to meaningfully help people like me. It is better than nothing, but it has no teeth. >First, the bill extensively writes about banks, but the bank in debanking is often not a literal brick and mortar bank. If it was, there would not be as many issues. Over 9000 financial institutions (banks and credit unions) operate in the USA. If a bank didn't want to do business with you, that's actually not a huge deal. You can find another bank. >Payment processors and payment networks are the bigger issue. When you want to get paid online in the USA, you have to do business with these "financial services". The complexity of this mechanism is deliberately designed to obfuscate who is doing what and making which decisions. >You and your bank receiving money. >The payment processor that negotiates you as a customer. >There is sometimes a separate company called a payment gateway that provides an interface between your application and the payment processor, but most modern payment processors roll their own payment gateway. >The underwriting banks that maintain a relationship between the payment processors and payment networks. These underwriting banks maintain the direct relationship with the card networks and have veto on if you get to be a customer of the payment processor. Some payment processors work with multiple underwriting banks. For instance, Citi is an large underwriting bank that is friendly with guns, so NFA merchants will often be paired with Citi for selling guns. >The card networks. These are MasterCard, Visa, Discover, and Amex. >When you sign up to process cards, you agree to the terms of service -- collectively and individually -- for every single one of these companies. You are agreeing to some of the most complex rules to ever be written, not for a single service, but for: the payment processor, payment gateway, underwriting bank, and each of the four card networks. If you break any of these rules at any time, you may find yourself immediately unable to make money. If that happens, you probably will not be told why. Risk management is a trade secret. You have no right to know. You cannot sue to know. >It could have been the payment processor directly, receiving complaints from people who want to deplatform you. It could be the underwriting bank who for whatever reason was unhappy with your transactional volume. If you sell too much, or sell too little and then do an annual sale that suddenly spikes your sales from $0 to a lot, that could be a fraud indicator. It could be a card network that decided you are a "reputational risk" to their brand. You will never know who, what, when, where, or why, and you will not be given a chance to appeal, and you will not be given information so if you try to apply for another card you know what to do right the next time. >The proposed law does not address any of this. Instead, what it does is it gives you the option to complain to the Office of the Comptroller of Currency (OCC). If the OCC feels bad for you, they may fine the institution up to $10,000. Problem: Last year, the SCOTUS ruled that Administrative Law Judges do not meet the Jury requirement of the constitution, thus they cannot impose fines. So empowering the OCC to fine one of the largest and most powerful companies in human history $10,000 is already a joke, but they actually have no means to enforce it. >Even if the fine was enforceable, it is up to the discretion of the OCC to enforce it. If the OCC doesn't find it politically expedient to help you, they will not. Example: When the Kiwi Farms was being deplatformed by ISPs, we moved infrastructure to Washington state, because they had net neutrality as a state law. Problem: It was not a civil cause of action, but rather something the AG of WA had to impose on the company. The AG was Bob Ferguson, who decide he would not help us, despite our condition 100% meeting the criteria for a net neutrality violation. >For the law to have value, it needs to do the following: >First, it must create a federal civil relief with statutory damages for lost opportunity, ideally with riders for punitive damages, and also attorney's costs and fees. As this is a purely financial matter, it must make financial sense to sue one of the largest and most powerful companies in the world. >Second, it must undo existing requirements already imposed by the federal government on financial services. Title III of the PATRIOT Act "deputized" (in the words of Ron Paul) the financial services to act as a form of law enforcement, one which cannot be appealed and provides no due process. By the time the PATRIOT Act was not renewed, the vestigial remains of these Title III requirements had been reshuffled into other parts of the U.S.C. >I'd also like to take a second to reiterate just how abysmal the payment networks are as a fundamental concept. I have lived outside the US for almost a decade. In Europe, they have the IBAN system. Your debit card will not have the mark of the beast on it. It is free to pay people with your debit card. It is free and instant to send money. In the US, these card networks charge (at minimum) 2.9% + 30¢ for every single card transaction. Stores are forbidden by card Terms of Service for adding these fees to the purchase price, like they do sales taxes in the US. If you buy $100 of groceries at Walmart, Walmart actually loses $3.20 to the card networks. Walmart, despite making $648.1 billion in gross sales in 2024, is powerless against the card networks. On that figure alone, with the most conservative estimate, Walmart had to eat shit on $18.8 billion in fees (not including individual transaction fees, which is billions more) as those fees are taken out of gross sales and not net profit. That's Walmart. Imagine how badly this is impacting small businesses. If you have a shop that sells $100 of goods on a 15% margin, your margin goes down to 11.8% right off the bat just because you have to pay a random company to make money in the US. >We are getting fucked. We are getting RAPED. These companies are RAPING you, they are RAPING the country, they are PILFERING businesses of all sizes for billions of dollars a year, and then they use that power to break the back of alt-tech, blackball individuals from the global economy, and fund DEI initiatives, mass immigration initiatives, and child genital mutilation surgeries. You, when you swipe a Visa/MasterCard, pay for little boys to get castrated in the US. >When I see people bickering about stupid shit that doesn't matter it makes me sick to my stomach. The backs of these companies needs to be broken. They won't go down without a fight and they will pay for shills to defend them, for organizations to take the blame for their actions, bribe politicians out the ass. >The Department of Justice is currently suing Visa for being a monopoly. Specifically, Visa has a near total monopoly on debit cards. They impose anticompetitive practices on banks to somehow force them to issue visa cards and persuade their customers to use their visa cards. To quote the Deparmtnet of Justice .... >https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-visa-monopolizing-debit-markets >The formal opinion of the fucking federal government is that Visa has NO value added service but continues to add fees because you CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. That's why they will do whatever it takes to stay in power. They have the easiest, most comfortable, highest profit ratio business model of almost any company to ever exist, and right now they have a monopoly charter granted to them by the federal government. They will happy spend billions to stay in power because billions is how they measure numbers in their business.
>>1589458 >this bait got two anons Embarassing. >>1589711 >Oh fuck off, if he wants to do that shit leave him be. Live and let live, i can lay in the sun farming skincancer with no issues or deadlifting when the veins go pop and no one see that as a problem And i fully support that. If anon wants to evolve into a fungal symbiote in his gooncave, go fucking 'head. >>1589711 >You are having a problem because he looks at porn, if he was addicted to knitting you would probably be even supportive of it. No, i have a problem because anon is claiming being a dopamine receptor-fried porn addict is normal and healthy. I would also call a professional sunbather retarded for trying to convince others slow-cooking yourself is good for you. Please read better.
>>1591254 Tldr What is your proposed solution. Or is this all just a long ass blackpill post.
>>1591254 >Josh
>>1591317 If you own a business, do everything you can to cut payment processors out, accept cash and crypto but not cards. If you are a customer, put up with a little bit of extra friction to pay without using a payment processor. If you are wealthy or influential enough to be an activist, focus on the source of the problem, not the screeching feminists.
>>1591317 >I am incapable of merely absorbing novel information so that I can process it later and form a plan to deal with it >if the information hurts my feelings, there is no purpose to it and it must be expunged as though it never existed Fucking hell, anon. Stop being a child.
>>1591366 >>1591351 You don't understand, anons. We should not ever see eye to eye with anyone from Foxdickfarms on anything ever, least of all Jersh. Kiwi Man Bad.
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Josh has openly been pro censorship of shit he doesn't like and so have his users. They doxed a vtuber (Fallen Shadow or Shondo) for having a loli avatar, this is purely performative as he recently got ousted for being a sex pest.
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>>1591396 >yes goy, the jews that keep trying to shove a knife up your ass are really your friends How about fuck off back to the farms?
>>1591366 That's not what I said dipshit. I just didn't see a solution in his laundry list of problems with the bill. He's basically just saying this will never work.
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>>1591453 Not to be That Guy, but Josh got exactly what he bought by being both a moralfag and doxxer.
Do you KF niggers understand the reason we hate Josh isn't, purely because he fucked us during next? We hate him and your site for being a bunch of moralist retards, who celebrated the censorship of others for weebshit or them losing the ability to keep running. Josh is only doing this to grift and repair his reputation after the Shondo dox/harassment thread, and him calling CPS the father of the 14 year old he was trying to fucking groom. <BUT! BUT! People who've been around for years know none of this is genuine and that the actions of Josh and the farms, tell an extremely different tale regarding "free speech". This whole arc Josh is pulling is so disingenuous, that it blows me away that you niggers are tying this here.
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>>1591453 >recently
>>1591538 I love how the left will instantly use any excuse to take someone down and never offer forgiveness
I dunno who Josh is but I don't think he is a credit card company owner
>>1591589 Josh is the owner of KF and huge anti weeb, who has defended the deplatforming of many anime related sites or people related. The reason why no one is having it because, it's not genuine and purely to get a grift going. He gave zero shits for years.
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Places like KF and the sharty to a certain extent have become overly moralfaggy to the point of it being a plague online. I like shitposting, but come on.
>>1591970 These "people" are not shitposting. For some reason zoomers have become puritans and I suspect they're plaguing those sites. It doesn't help that they raid other sites.
>>1592109 They've internalized the rainbow mafia's hatred of straight men having a sex drive, and everyone else's hatred of the rainbow mafia.
>>1592116 They think Vtubers, loli and other weeb shit is immoral and, they have similar puritan views that sjw and trad cons have. All while bizarrely being centrists, much of the forum isn't even about mocking lolcows anymore but going after people they deem immoral or degenerate. But the irony is much of the user base fails to uphold, the high standards they place upon the rest of the internet particularly Josh/Null himself.
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>>1592247 >loli is pedo What next is shooting a guy in GTA real murder?
>>1592248 Well, if someone gets his dick hard and is jerking off to shooting people in GTA, yeah that's not normal.
>>1592172 >their tactics would have been dead in the water on 8chan proper 8prime had more than 3 posts per hour in threads like these, so when the only thing you can see for hours at a time on the latest 10 posts is some nigger being a idiot, it's aggravating not to answer because you start getting bored of the staleness. Not to mention that the majority of people who are left are only the legitimate retards with <100IQ or hardcore schizos, who will bite this kind of thing even more easily.
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>Organic posting
>>1592282 Equating fiction to reality makes you a fucking retard.
>>1592282 >>1592313 So are you for collective shout and Visa or not?
So by that logic FPS games are real forms of gun violence and shit like Manhunt is equates to real hardcore Violence? Or more likely could Loli just be fucking drawings just like violent video games are just fucking video games that are a work of fiction. KF niggers are legit retarded moralfags who would be more then ok to side with payment processors.
Why people from Kiwi Farms and Sharty raiding this thread?
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>>1592408 Because they are getting desperate.
>>1592325 its only a defining characteristic and export in your mind because you've been indoctrinated to think that way. the only reason you feel the need to make a distinction now is because your conditioning is conflicting with your own self-interest while for most everyone else they just continue seeing it all as one and the same which is why they're just as opposed to lolicon as the rest of it. if little anime girls didn't turn you on then you'd be morally grandstanding over how horrible it is in accordance with your conditioning just like the rest of them.
>>1583789 >>1568719 >>1591254 >Australia at it again? Those cheeky cunts! There's been lots of Australian tourists in my area lately, I chatted up a couple of them and asked them what they knew about America and the media outside of Australia. (only a few of them even had the faintest idea of who crocodile Dundee was)... I told them about the video game Mad City / Bayou Billy... And a few of them actually seemed quite offended. Tldr, Australians were probably never cool and everything we were told about them was probably just another msm lie. They're pretty much the same as Brits, same stick up their asses. They just happen to have slightly different slang.
>>1592109 What do you expect? They've watched in real time as the burning down of their futures was cheered on by faggots, trannies, and the worst kinds of degerates. They watched their classmates get pressured into cutting off their balls or tits, and threatened with having their lives ruined if they spoke up against it. They watched millions of illegals stream across the border - increasing crime, diluting their culture, and stealing the low-skill jobs that young people used to rely upon to get themselves established. I feel sorry for the poor bastards.
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>>1592325 >and possibly the Happy Tree Friends guys as examples
>>1592270 And still is NOT a murder, you retard
>>1592559 Doesn't matter. If I see someone shooting people in GTA, then suddenly whipping his dick out and yanking to a pile of corpses he just made, that's some future school shooter shit, I'd want a person like that locked up in a psych ward.
>>1589684 Moist Cr1tikal talked about it and there's a clip from a stream. Though I guess he's not gonna risk his major channel on something like this. A bunch of other smaller channels also dropped some videos, but the issue here is that none of them either know enough or are willing to go against payment processors. >>1589686 Also this. If you noticed, most of the SKG influencers came from the American side, where they face no direct repercussions. I can't imagine Burger tubers attacking gaming companies as vehemently if it happened on their turf. >>1589977 Excellent.
>>1591970 KF I can understand they're reddit 2.0 but I thought /qa/'s spinoff board was a hub for pedophiles and schizophrenia.
>>1592638 All that over an image that you created in your head. So i believe that you are a tyrant that will drag all the people of any group you are in, into misery. Therefore you should die for the good of all the people who lives you will ruin in the future.
Collective Shout's main PR account supported Cuties. That is all anyone needs to know. they are pedophiles and want to jail people for being anti-woke. Anyone from Collective Shout deserves to be killed.
>>1591504 I loved the KiwiFarms until the Keffals happening and then it went down to shit very very fast. Josh has now created a cult like site that fellate him at every syllable he utters. The whole purpose of KiwiFarms is gone and now its filled with actual pedos, trannies, and trad "christian" conservatives creating an unholy mixture of taintbutter. They have become worse than Reddit or even Resetera.
>>1591305 Oh i did read good, i just think it is you being a moralfaggot has fried your brains and you did not read good. My point was not if it was good or bad for your health, my point was because he was stroking his dick to porn you have come out of the woods here to go al virtuemonkey because if you were passing him slowly broiling in the sun, the most you will do is mumble fucking retard and move on. Even if he preached that becoming a giant melanoma was the next stage of evolution for man.
>>1592325 Happy Tree Friends is an irreverent parody of a children's cartoon where abrupt, extreme slapstick violence is used for shock and comedy value. It's an artistic expression that's not even remotely related to real-life animal torture.
>>1592638 That sounds like a fetish you have anon
>VISA takes administrative action for alleged antitrust violations, FTC applies commitment procedure > On the 22nd, the Japan Fair Trade Commission applied administrative sanctions and commitment procedures under the Act to Visa Worldwide Pte. Ltd. (Singapore), the Asia-Pacific regional headquarters of the international credit card brand VISA, for suspected violations of the Antimonopoly Act (unfair trade practices) regarding transaction terms with its partners. > According to the Japan Fair Trade Commission, this is the first administrative sanction against an international credit card brand, including Visa, the industry leader with the largest market share in Japan. https://archive.vn/ZMAhj
>>1593089 I'm not really surprised that the arrogant middleman is getting slapped like this. Entertainment is a huge, huge export for Japan. Any threat to that is a literal threat to Japan's economy. Only real question is how long it'll take for the US to follow. The soulless corp will be forced to change gears to continue making line go up. We still have that bill but it hasn't gone anywhere since 2023. Might go through pretty fast if Visa/Mastercard stir up some more shit though.
>>1589684 Asmongold tweeted a reply to the nichegamer article in support for breaking up credit card companies.
>>1593089 I heard that this isn't about the censorship, but about the commission fees. But hopefully this is the start of something.
>>1569161 It's starting to affect smaller sites as well. Denpasoft (known for Nekopara) just announced they're blocking access from the red states with age verification laws. In addition to the states already mentioned, Arizona, Ohio, Missouri and North Dakota are also apparently getting in on it and are due to be blocked when their laws come into effect. That's 25 states, fully half of the US. This shows no signs of slowing down either as both the EU and UK are implementing similar laws as well. Eventually these sites are either going to have to try and bear the costs of complying with the legislation or just fold altogether, because it's spreading too quickly for them to be able to just block off the affected regions. It's only a matter of time now before similar sites like JAST/J-LIST, Kagura Games and MangaGamer are affected too.
>>1593751 The difference between the US and EU is that the latter at the very leasy has huge data protection legislation that prevents using it for profiling. I remember a case where some Italian woman sued and won against Google for allowing pictures of herself be indexed despite her request to take them down. Still, this is a rather worrying development and the only way I see around it (aside from VOOOTING and calling representatives) is to hop on from marketplace to marketplace. >>1593089 >>1593352 >>1593608 Regardless of the reason, a win is a win.
>>1593089 Good step but we need more. I hope americans pass that bill.
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>>1591254 I do not like Josh/Null for being so virulently anti-loli/anime that he's even willing to dox and harass VTubers over it, but given his background and experiences, he seems qualified to speak on this. And his comments on the bill make sense. It would probably be wise to push to have the bill strengthened and its flaws addressed when talking with your representatives. This needs to be the bullet that puts VISA and Mastercard down for good. Request to edit the OP to address this?
>>1593853 >>1593873 I think a bigger reason to dislike him, from an 8moe perspective, is how much he fucked with 8chan. I know a lot of you are newfags so you're completely clueless to his history, but he actually worked for 8chan at one point as a developer. The Josh/Infinity Next saga was a disaster and after it he tried to herd everybody to his own site 9chan it failed
>>1591970 Some people are just too bored with their lives so they turn to making others' lives shit just for fun. A bit of a shame really
>>1593918 >Some people are just too bored with their lives so they turn to making others' lives shit just for fun Yep, There is an entire zoomer subculture based on that premise https://web.archive.org/web/20250701150759/https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/Larpercore
>>1594049 ok but where is the 'jak in here
>>1593873 If he said breathing was good would you start suffocating yourself? >>1594049 >reddit meme >fandom page >larper It used to be called being a troll you FUCKING NEWFAG ZOOMERS I'M GONNA
>>1594100 There is nuance to trolling. The guys that threatened Ophra with over 9000 penises aren't the same raiding small imageboards over delusions in their own heads
>>1594117 they are the goblin counterpart to old school trolls.
>>1594136 Time to call them goblins instead of trolls then
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>>1591254 >writes giant wall of text about how it's the credit cards and not banks >too retarded to see section 5 of the bill explicitly covers them
>>1594049 The pic pretty much describes most cuckchan niggers these days.
>>1594049 >leddit meme format >implying zoomer This shit has been on /b/ since the late 2000s and probably on SA even earlier than that. Edgy retarded teenagers are nothing new, early 8chan attracted a bunch of these types, they had their own boards like /baphomet/.
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>>1594049 >>1594338 >>1594389 >Not being an edgelord Are you a faggot?
>>1594049 I don't understand what's the appeal of Roblox. It's the most autistic shit since Minecraft and Fornite.
>>1594418 >Fornite Fortnite
First of all Steam should've never had this monopoly in game distribution, but that's a different topic. This wouldn't be a problem if Steam just accepted Bitcoin or others.
>>1593853 Josh is a hypocrite who has on record supported financial deplatforming of sites that are anime centric.
>>1592915 That place became the very thing they once mocked lolcows, they freak out over goblin / monster girls, short stacks or even anime girls that are just a tad short (uzaki chan, etctra). Fuck those hypothetical loony trunes.
>>1594470 It happened because all the other alts where just god awful. >>1594734 >Rip to Ozzy They really went the height of consent argument?
>>1594470 They did and soon found it wasn't viable at all you ban evading faggot.
>>1594734 Wanna have a fun time?, go for a discussion to lower age of consent laws and see the entire thread blow up. Not that you actually want to lower them but just to fuck with the KF retard. Pure distilled autism with a hint of insanity thrown into the mix.
>>1594784 I want them replaced entirely by laws that state only marriage is consent.
>>1589982 I think I actually had this video show up on jewtube for me. Instantly blocked the channel out of habit since I get a lot of breadtuber garbage in my recs for some reason. Funny that I just saw this dude in the wild lol.
>>1594784 >Not that you actually want to lower them Yeah... About that...
>>1595250 During the time of the founding fathers weren't people basically adults at 16? >>1595456 Modern women are basically children. Along with the feminized men... We probably should raise the age.
>>1584345 >When will anything, anywhere get better? When White people come together and act in their racial self-interest as a unified bloc against the tyrannical govts of the world and their bio-weapons
>>1595486 >We probably should raise the age. No.
>>1584345 >he thinks he only had 2 child rapist presidents in a row Look at this bluepilled faggot.
>>1595898 Humans have been doing this from the first day they figured out imagination. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Long as you aren't as far gone as ESG Randy or the FedEx guy who loved apple jack (and then literally went postal ) things should be fine. You could always befriend a girl (or a tom boy) that likes dressing up and playing "make-believe" in the bedroom. (That's what I did) Shit is pretty cash if you understand each other's needs and don't catch feelings. Other than taking care of yourself, it's a pretty healthy way of enjoying those kinds of fantasys. (Usually works best if the girl is a bit subby or a switch)
>>1595936 Yet those same people seem hellbend to destroy those escapist fantasies in some sort of puritan virgin Waaaaagh. I think they just need to be told to fuck off instead of engaging in conversation with, maybe accept that fapping to drawings is as harmless as eating a apple. When is was hitting puberty even trees started looking attractive, those woody curves hmmmmm. Tits and violence are awesome and no KF retard or word filter is gonna change that.
>>1595992 Anon if only you knew how far away we are from what we were meant to be and the consequences it's given on our minds and our souls it hurts deeply.
>This thread and e-celeb attracted a number of outsider from Twitter, Sharty wiki and Kiwi Farms Jesus Christ just why?!
>>1596061 They cry out in pain as they strike you.
>>1592248 Visa and Mastercard seem to think so.
>>1596239 Well, have they banned GTA yet?
>>1595936 Null just wants to obfuscate his neko shota fetish by any means necessary.
>>1568338 >They just wanted the power to curate the content to their desires. It's always about power and stroking ego. Anyone who thinks those richfags actually have any morals is utterly stupid.
Not unexpected but the people at Collective Shout are doublign down on defending cuties https://archive.vn/yi5yV
>>1596957 >The legislation being writen as "nobody should be denied services and payment" is too broad of a definition. It should be "nobody, except any form of left leaning politics should be denied payment or services" That's not going to happen and would kill the bill if anyone tried and you know it. >They will try to use it so people can't deny purchases of products made by leftards. You can't make someone purchase your products. If they make Gay Muslim Trans Kid Simulator 3000 you can just chose not to buy it.
>>1586444 >give life advice >only comeback is an admission to swearing by rule by spectacle Obsessed oldtroon.
>>1596239 Probably the easiest attack against Visa and Mastercard would be convincing the government to open up antitrust proceedings against them. Actually probably Steam too now that I think of it.
>>1597353 That's already happening. There's an ongoing case against VISA led by the DOJ. But it'll probably take at least a couple years to see results if it even does.
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Directionbrains are mentally ill useful idiots. Anyway, have a legally questionable picture.
>>1596051 The problem is Anon, that we were born as protectors.... But our abilities to protect have been taken away. And now we can't even protect them from themselves. Could you even protect her smile? and her lewd sexy video games? Probably not anon.... And that's the greatest sadness of all.
>>1568051 >I've not seen anyone bitch about it It's trivial to bypass with any vpn. Plus only the big sites even have the block.
>>1597952 Is that the youtuber who has a boner over Tamatoa?
>>1597953 >Plus only the big sites even have the block. It's spreading. >>1593751 You're also assuming VPNs will continue to work. If anything, at the end of all this, it will only be the big, Jewish-owned porn sites left standing as they have the means and resources to implement the measures to be in compliance and are just holding out until it's necessary while sites like Denpasoft don't and are forced to just keep blackholing traffic from everywhere until they suffocate. The end result of all this will not be the extinction of pornography and eroticism, but its monopolization in the hands of the Jewish porn industry while eroge and 2D lewd sites like boorus are gradually wiped out by the restrictions.
>>1597975 Not really assuming anything of the sort, just answering why he's not seen much complaining about it.
>>1597975 When this happens i will torrent my entire loli collection for my fellow perverts in need. And sites will be made even if we have to go to TOR.
>>1598002 History will remember you as a saint, my man.
I almost regret posting that now. To be clear, I am not that blackpilling shitposter. I fucking hate that obnoxious prick and have told him to just kill himself over and over both here and on halfchan and ZZZchan. I'm just not sure how one is supposed to face these age verification laws spreading like an aggressive cancer. Yeah, maybe we could get those laws passed against payment processor fuckery and eliminate one source of pressure, but the attacks on anime lewds are clearly coming from multiple angles. I'm not even a major enthusiast of H-games; I've only just started dipping my toes into them. I prefer cutesexy PG games like Neptunia and Senran Kagura and Gal*Gun, but those have been under constant attack as well. I'm not sure if the age verification bullshit is going to affect them, but the credit cards and platform censorship sure has.
>>1598070 Just archive everything that you enjoy, frankly the legislation likely will get worse but they can't take what you already have.
I want to continue screaming about Joshua Connor Moon and the thread on /b/ is dead :(
>>1597349 What is this gibberish you posted supposed to convey?
>>1597975 Yeah that's the problem with all this regulation and corporate censorship... It's all just another tactic to control and power grab. Now that the AI genie is out of the bottle nobody is going to need to pay for pornography ever again. Representative Roasties and daddy governments white knights will do everything they can to appease that majority female voter base and get people (simps) back to paying flesh bag women for pictures of rotting photo filtered walking corpses on only fans.
Itch.io nuked all their nsfw/hentai stuff it seems
>>1598702 Still has My Dystopian Robo Girlfriend which is the only NSFW game I've played on twitch, I'm sure they've taken down a bunch however.
>>1598702 still has all of siren's domain's stuff was it a loli game?
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>>1598702 Adult games are still currently on the site. Every adult game has been shadowbanned however. Max the Elf got straight up deleted. https://itch.io/t/5119460/adult-and-erotic-tags-games-gone
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>>1598702 Did they, or did they just take down the tags? Checking lists I have saved nothing hentai/nsfw seems to have disappeared yet, but the tag list seems to be missing a few things. Also found this on the front page, how and why?
>>1598864 >2nd pic >Also found this on the front page, how and why? Probably because Ozzy died
>>1594775 >[Steam Monopoly] happened because all the other alts where just god awful. Looking at various other "impossible to compete" examples like Youtube (and its revolving door of competitors including the tragic story of Vlare.tv) and Twitter (where they ignored Mastodon for a decade but all of a sudden are flooding into (((Bluesky))) coordinately), the bigger problem is the fact normalfags really won't explore their options if there isn't already a large number of people - though addiction to convenience plays a big role, absolutely.
>>1598868 I mean like how and why is the game on the site to begin with? Thought Double Fine was AA or something, they have better markets available than itch I'd think.
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>>1598902 >Itch.io creator just emojiposts instead of offering an explanation Fucking Discord.
Okay yeah on further inspection using the search function on the site is definitely shadowbanning things, but the most games themselves aren't completely delisted, you're more reliant on google/bing/whatever search engines than itch's internal one for 18+ content. Unnecessary half baked scheme that as mentioned above cuts off a decent portion of access and discoverability to a lot of unaware normalfag consumers, but if it's still googleable then it seems more of an inconvenience, and in that case what was the point? It's just cucking indie devs out of a few hundred sales at that point, Visa/Mastercard are just being dicks now.
>>1598926 Are we certain that this isn't just itchio cucking prematurely? I mean, if payment processors were bringing the hammer down on them too, wouldn't they completely delist the games just like steam, not just hide them from their search?
>>1598939 Yeah, something's not adding up, a "have their cake and eat it" sort of deal where they still profit from the lewd games on their platform and have plausible deniability towards the processors? Makes the most logical sense to me.
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>>1593089 fukken nice
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>>1598926 More than a few hundred, searches on site are x5 the amount of views that come from google.
I feel beyond angry about this right now and idk what to do other than write that a bill maybe in the future when they get to it (could be 8 months from now after all of these developers go under and get nothing) maybe make payment processors neutral but won't actually bring back any of the games or undo any of the damage. All of that is permanent.
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>>1599076 If it helps, people are trying to find ways around this.
>>1599088 It feels like it would all be solved tomorrow if every payment processor getting this said "Okay, I'm moving to Crypto" and just had a crypto-only part of their existing stores. Don't even get rid of it, just make the buy button into "Pay with XMR" or whatever. They could even make money out of it. Itch nuking everything tells me that they were biting at the bit to do this for a long time and this was catharsis for someone to just steal everyone's money.
>>1599058 Oh. That is brutal. I don't know who to hate more, processors or normalfags who won't/actively refuse to adapt. >>1599076 Retroactive fines would be funny, but impossible to justify. We could trust devs/dedicated playerbases to make sure their games are alive, available, and given proper awareness ala >>1599088 , but you can see my perspective on potential audiences already.
>>1599100 > I don't know who to hate more, processors or normalfags who won't/actively refuse to adapt. When in doubt? Normalfags. Their complacency enables a status quo for decades to the point you're an old man by the time they care enough to change - and all too easy to get to forgive, forget, and go back to the goy pen.
I've never actually paid for hentai in my entire life.
>>1599123 >We can't do anything besides cry and seethe impotently as the powers that be take away everything from us. Well, no, hentai artists will just find ways around the payment blocks and set up new websites and people will go to the new websites because they want hentai. There's a country called worst korea where feminists tried to ban all porn and it resulted in their normal videogames becoming soft porn.
>>1599088 I was about to purpose something like this. The problem is centralized distribution platforms being pressured by services they depend on, and users being unequipped to find games that aren't on the centralized distribution platforms. If distribution of games was decentralized, it would be a lot harder to pressure them like this. So here's my 3 step plan: Create a databases of games. Many sites that make it easy to look up games, even if they don't sell them. These databases would then list places where a given game can be acquired. Make hosting a database super easy to do, something hobbyist could do for a niche category of games, a lot like how we have hundreds of niche boorus right now. Create a system to browse and search many of these databases at once. Your niche furry VN might not show up in a more generalist database, and if there is any friction finding a game, that'll lose sales. It's important to make it easy for normalfags to use, so any time they can't find a game distribution platform they've used before, the first advice they'll find online is "Look it up in the databases" and they'll actually be able to do that. Once this is accomplished, devs don't have to worry about where their game is listed as an important part of selling their game. As long as it is somewhere, players will be able to find it, and they can focus on promoting their game in more normal ways rather than depending on the recommendation algorithm of the specific game distributors that they're using.
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This is like if Visa stopped working with Valve, and somehow got your game removed from your account. Unfortunately, pirates seem to be the only ones unaffected. Until they put denuvo in their porn.
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>>1599142 There was one time a great decentralized distribution method for PC games.
>>1599163 Forgive my youth. I'm not familiar with solutions that worked well then, but solutions similar to those may be the best options now.
>>1599149 God bless F95 I guess. I hope they're going back and archiving EVERYTHING right now.
They're not only delisting, if you bought the game you can't even access a download.
>>1599183 Looks like this is just about to blanda up with SKG.
Itch.io is dead and now pissed off gay furry hackers might be on the case. I feel sorry for whoever gets caught in the crossfire.
And there's a follow up. https://archive.is/WjH38 "Time sensitive" they say.
>>1599163 Can you really store anything else on those 4.7GB besides classic game platforms? Even if compression methods like CHD & dummy scrubbing exist, you can't really store many games on it beyond the GBA & maybe the DS. If 1 doujin off the panda was 100MB each, you could only put in 44 of your favorites on the disc. If 1 webm video was 32MB each, you could store 140 of them on the disc. This assumes they get compressed through a program like Aviator & they don't look or sound like shit
>>1599238 Instead of disks, share USB sticks?. Might just be a little bit more expensive than a disc but cheap none the less.
Reminder we have blu-ray discs and they're pretty cheap for 50 GB each.
>>1599180 F95 has a tendency to inconsistently ban shit if they don't like it - enough for splinter sites like LewdCorner to be made.
>>1599254 Those are very prone to corrupt data.
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>>1567443 >>1598070 >Yeah, maybe we could get those laws passed against payment processor fuckery and eliminate one source of pressure, but the attacks on anime lewds are clearly coming from multiple angles. The thing is that you can only really ever fight on one front at a time, especially if it's one where the win is very easy. My biggest issue with all of this is the CULTURAL impact of being constantly monitored by techno moral guardians. I really hate that zoomies and onward have normalized Newspeak like "unalive", "pdf" and other such idiotic spellings that sound like the stuff they'd put in a children's book to get past censors. It's bound to ruin the creativity of most people or drive them to an underground scene that is currently just dicksord fucks. >>1598702 Has anyone compiled a list of the affected games and devs? Additionally, this would be an excellent time to spread the news about legislation against payment processing faggots like in the OP. >>1598869 Normalfags, and thus users in general, just flock wherever there's actual content. Everyone's on dicksord, so everyone is moving where everybody else is. It litteraly is that simple, Google has infinite money so they can practically run services at a constant loss, and even they couldn't get enough people to give a shit about Google+ despite forcing everyone to opt in to watch Youtube. >>1599088 The issue is that getting a new site up only works as long as you do whatever is in your power to bypass regulations while at the same time complying with them, kind of like what Acid did with cuckflare's deplatforming. At some point, you just have to either bend the knee and accept that you're getting forever stifled, or fall into the darkness and self host everything. By the way, how is Archive.org faring with this crap?
>>1599291 >Has anyone compiled a list of the affected games and devs? There's like 21,000 games. It would be untenable
>>1599301 If you know the number, that means that it's already possible they've been visited by a web crawler. That alone means there's a list somewhere. Plus I refuse to believe that modern CS grads can truly de-index shit.
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>>1599328 I only got this image from Halfchan, so take it with a grain of salt.
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>>1599238 >4.7GB >CD
>>1599238 Bluray goes up to 128GB from what I've heard.
Also, if Itch has any sense whatsoever they hopefully didn't actually delete anything, only delist at most.
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>>1599223 >Collective Shout >A bunch of kangaroo fuckers I will go back in time and make sure each and every one of their criminal ancestors gets the death penalty, at least abbos are too busy having dreamtime with some petrol to morally grandstand.
>>1599371 CD, DVD, BluRay... not a lot of people have optical media drives on their PCs anymore, so it's a bit useless for the task and microSDs are too expensive to distribute even for the low capacity ones. Honestly, it'd be better to just distribute online like they always were. Used to get a ton of shareware (and full version) games from my local BBSs. But then you run back into the problem of centralization, and liability to anyone distributing the files unless all you intend to distribute is shareware/freeware. They've been working on optical media disks with capacities up to several terabytes, and theoretically into the petabyte range, but they're still going to be a ways off, and even longer still before they're widely affordable. No idea what the transfer rate on them would be either. Storage is one thing, but if it takes forever to burn and copy from them, that kind of limits their utility.
>>1599076 Flood your representatives with calls demanding they take antitrust action against Mastercard/Visa.
>>1599238 cds only allow 700mb of data, dvds are the ones with 4.7gb and blu rays i think allow 20gb
>Update on NSFW content >Due to a game titled No Mercy, which was temporarily available on itch.io before being banned back in April, the organization Collective Shout launched a campaign against Steam and itch.io, directing concerns to our payment processors about the nature of certain content found on both platforms. >Our ability to process payments is critical for every creator on our platform. To ensure that we can continue to operate and provide a marketplace for all developers, we must prioritize our relationship with our payment partners and take immediate steps towards compliance. https://archive.vn/QXd7k
>>1599618 >save jews from the batshit commies >this is how they thank us
>>1599373 They did delete stuff straight out of people's account apparently, and also on top it seems that they've deleted / shadowbanned SFW games that happen to have LGBT / Furry content, guess they are not ready for the shitstorm that is gonna come their way
The realization that people are alive in a 1st world country who are unaware of the common storage of a CD and DVD is the first time I've ever actually felt old..
>>1599974 DVD readers aren't used that much anymore. I'm not sure if newest laptops even have them.
>>1599142 I'm kinda ignoramt but wouldn't LTO tapes for mass storage be perfect for this at 15 TB of storage each?
>>1599983 the tape decks for those are super expensive
>>1599983 LTO is expensive as fuck (if you wanna use a not shit version of the standards expect $1k just for the drive) Hard to use (no connectors that are common in consumer stuff, accessing the data isn't as simple as opening a drive on some of the standards) Need specialized storage for the tapes if you wanna get anywhere close to the rated life (and considering just how much data is lost if a tape dies / how much tapes cost this is a problem) Very slow in relation to the quantity of data on one tape Lets say you wanna make a good setup for cost to storage ratio and you're already looking at over $2.5k for the drive, the tapes and a climate controlled safe for tape storage.
>>1599983 Why, when you can buy a 30 terabyte traditional hard drive from Seagate now?
Congress isn't in session for rest of month and congressional recess begins August 4th and ends September. This means updates on bill progress (new co-sponsors, amendments etc.) till they're back, but does give the possibility of asking live if you're dedicated enough to find an event and ask (could also theoretically get a personal meeting, but those spots are likely pre-booked). Might also shift call priority to local offices, but I'm not sure.
>>1600045 >Seagate >first gen of new tech I like pretending my data has at least a chance of remaining intact
>>1600050 That's why you buy two of them. I agree in that I'll never buy Seagate again myself, after they shafted me on their first 1.5TB drive.
>>1600045 >Seagate drive EoS
>>1599163 >people start opening cash/crypto only hentai CD stores in dark alleyways
inb4 they ban optical disks for "environmental reasons"
We really need to move away from these Jewish owned payment processors, they poison everything they touch with their agenda.
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>>1600078 >people start opening cash/crypto only hentai CD stores in dark alleyways
>>1599946 >implying jews have been in danger in the past century Those commies were defending themselves.
>>1600229 The 90s and 2000s were something else man
>>1598975 >>1599223 Why is it always Australia?
>>1600229 >>1600465 >antivirus certified Spanish hentai You can say that again.
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>>1600535 There was tons of shit like that >Some sketchy "tech" company downloaded tons of shareware >Put it into a disk >Sold it for 5-10 bucks to people who didn't know better Fucking crazy man
>>1600496 Australia’s rating system for games and movies, the Australian Classification Board, is government-run and legally enforceable. The ESRB & MPA are private self-regulatory organizations
>>1599607 20 gigs is HD-DVD, 25/50 is bluray, and 50/66/100 is 4k bluray, there is also a very rare 128 gig bluray XL
>>1600559 That explains it I guess.
atleast if porn monetization becomes impossible then only anonymous hobbyists will make it. no more attention whores.
>>1600496 Those feminist are a scapegoat. It couldn't be more obvious.
Since we're talking about Australia, I am reminded of South Park: Stick of Truth getting censored there >>1600808 South Korea's game rating system, GRAC, is also government-run. Pretty sure Gookanon has talked about them in his past posts
>>1600049 Map these events out then. Anons living in America probably don't have much better to do during summer anyhow. >>1600050 >>1600053 >>1600055 Is there anything specifically wrong with their drives?
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>>1600086 CDs rot extremely fast compared to other types of storage. I heard that vynil has made a huge comeback because despite technically being costlier to produce it actually retains the majority of its information even long after being produced. >>1600229 I am truly nostalgic for the back-alley type of deals you could get on gaming CDs. I think I got some extremely niche Jap games through those vendors from bargain bin sales.
this better not fuck with mangagamer and the rance x translation
>>1601006 >Map these events out then. Anons living in America probably don't have much better to do during summer anyhow. There's literally 529 separate officials that may or may not hold events, and any anon will only be eligible for 3 while the others will be a long way away.
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>>1600843 Oh boy, can't wait for the glory days to come back again!
>>1601016 Any and all pornography in English is going to get fucked over by this new ban wave. This is way I always tell people not to trust cuck-servatives they always end up being crypto feminists. And don't forget that most far leftys and feminist types always end up being sex predators. (True of all sides now that we know all of them are on the list) Don't care about labels. ask yourself, are they going to try and take my shit and tell me what to do? If the answer is even remotely close to yes then tell them to fuck off.
>>1601041 Removing individuals in a corporation won't solve the problem unless you remove every director, officer, and shareholder, and that's not feasible or reasonable. The actual way to wrangle faceless, soulless corporations is either via the carrot and stick method with regulations+protections (make it so payment processors cannot pick and choose who they do business with, but make them not liable for their activities) or by managing to become a board member. The latter is probably not an option, but we can definitely try to push the US gubbamins for the former.
>>1600496 Having heard a lot of Aussie bitch about their politicians, Australia is basically what Britain under the current administration will become if they don't get to an election fast enough. It's a totalitarian state that forces their people to comply to a lot of asinine laws, the courts are absolutely stacked against the citizens (you have to pay to even get transcripts of your own depositions), there's tons of collusion between mining companies, the gambling sector and their conservative parties and their left is practically one step removed from being Maoist commies, the step being crucially their vicinity to the PRC. A lot of their politics are basically "if the USA, China or Japan are doing it, then it's probably subversive, so we'll do the exact opposite". >>1600822 Charlie's catching a ton of Ws for doing the absolutely bare minimum and just talking about these topics interspersed with burps and mild cussing. It's so weird that the same person who was behind hiding City of Heroes private servers can also be one of the best chances at stopping these greedy corpos.
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>>1601052 Not a aussie or clappistani, I can't hit them where it hurts nor get started with the procedure. I'm merely saying that the vermin will only back off when they personally feel it or get physically removed from the equation. >>1601059 I was meaning complete, total harassment of staff or at least aiming at every top-brass people can get their hands on. Though driving a drone in there and (preferably) blowing it up in their face like the fags in Ukraine would be nice.
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I know banks and payment services have done crackdowns on content without the presence of the Pornhub lawsuit but the judge here is onto something: >The judge during the hearing compared holding the payment processor liable for violations of federal sex trafficking laws to dragging an electric utility into court for providing power to run the website's servers. If the payment processors are more like a public utility then they might actually get regulated like ones. Wishful thinking, maybe, but it's something.
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https://archive.ph/3QDkH itch.io hit by Visa shenanigan and Collective Shout. It's also reported that they are trying the same with X too. It feels like they are trying to light as many fire as they can since the Japanese government is already breathing down their neck. IMO if any platform is getting this demand, they should just drag their feet as much as possible citing administrative overheard slowing down everything (even on a 1 man company)
>>1601122 Any exclusives to these platforms that have been lost? This whole thing is going to be a preservation nightmare.
>>1601082 If you're talking about the payment processors, then sure, blowing up their emails and phones with complaints probably doesn't hurt. Harassment, on the other hand, is just going to make them publicly state that they were receiving death threats for being the bestest, most moralest of angels (you've seen this spiel already) and double down on what they're doing. If you're talking about Collective Shout (and other bitch-led activist groups), they've always got pretty big skeletons in their closets. Fight fire with fire, and whenever you can, remind everyone that they defended the distribution of actual cheese pizza (Cuties on Netflix) while incessantly calling for the ban of literal pixels and drawings. Hell, you can probably exaggerate and say that they encouraged the distribution of that garbage. Keep in mind, by the way, that Visa/Mastercard tried to deny their services to WikiLeaks almost 15 years ago and got slammed for doing it. If you think a reversal is unlikely, it's happened before and it'll happen again.
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>>1601041 >Air Strip angel is still up :D
>>1601122 I'm wondering why they got so much more agressive all of sudden, they usually took their time and doesn't seem the best time to force their hand like this
>>1601231 It's ez >Steam folds on some issue >Smaller competitor fears for their life and immediately preemptively folds I mean, look at medium sized sites bend over backwards to appease American censorship laws. Ironically the smaller sites where actual abuse could be going on will always get away with it because of their insignificant numbers.
I don't know what the fuck happened to just selling the games yourself rather than relying on some gay central platform
>>1601006 >Is there anything specifically wrong with their drives? I had a Seagate laptop HDD die on me a few years ago. I know laptop HDDs are basically throwaway dogshit that's meant to die but I'm still mad about it
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>>1601057 >Any and all pornography in English is going to get fucked over by this new ban wave. What's even the fucking point, though? You can already make AI generated porn locally on your own computer. Five or six years, that shit will be way higher quality and as ubiquitous as your cell phone. Any sick and degenerate fetish you want will be rendered in exquisite detail to your exact preferences, video or image, and probably VR as well. For as large of a vehicle for porn delivery as the internet has been these last 40 years plus, it's up until now just been a delivery method - and you still needed flesh and blood artists to actually make it to be distributed, and that was a potential bottleneck that censors could crack down on. But that's all over now... so again - what the fuck is even the point of censorship now on the precipice of obsolescence?
>>1601245 >I don't know what the fuck happened to just selling the games yourself rather than relying on some gay central platform DRM
>>1601245 Hosting got way more expensive and centralized platforms is free marketing.
>>1601231 They're not reasonable people, and they're not mentally mature. Just like the accusers in the Salem Witch Trials. >>1601245 Hosting your own site, setting up your own payment processing, etc. isn't easy. Why spend the time it takes to publish your own game when you can let someone else do it for you? But I appreciate self-published games like Factorio and Vintage Story, and I hope things become a bit less centralized as time goes on.
>>1601231 Either way this desperation is gonna bite them in the ass. Everyone is witnessing how dangerous the CC duopoly is.
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>>1601297 >Hosting your own site, setting up your own payment processing, Nah, those are easy. What matters is marketing. It's why Jewtube and Xitter are king. It's why Steam became a soft monopoly and why Epic Games Store and other competitors floundered. >>1601309 Uhhh.... ACLU starts petition against Mastercard on restricting sales on adult content, arguing it harms black trans women https://archive.fo/7lEGv Hooray?
>>1601354 >arguing it harms black trans women Quadruple kek
>>1601354 > arguing it harms black trans women
>>1601354 Hey a win is a win, I'll accept the retard path if that's what it takes.
>>1601354 Uhh. I guess it's something....fuck it bring up the trans wheelchair pocs if it means taking out the enemy!
>>1601281 A large part of the AI ecosystem is sharing Loras and models that have been fine tuned to show more strongly concepts, characters and etc. that the open source models don't have baked in so these things reteach the stuff people want in using these models by layering them on top. Most websites that host these things depicting this or even the model finetunes have been purged or severely curtailed on where they can appear due to this restriction. So AI porn isn't going to obsolete real porn itself, it's stuck in the same conundrum.
>>1601407 Yes, I’m sure they won’t just leave tranny porn up while continuing to censor the rest of it. It’s not like we have a consistent track record of sexy stuff being censored in games while gross tranny lewds are left uncensored, b-baka!
>>1601354 Reminder that the ACLU was created by jews.
>>1601354 >arguing it harms black trans women Parody wishes it could be as absurd as real life.
>>1567443 >They got Gabe by the balls I don't know about you guys, but Steam was already a cancerous daycare center this shit is the last straw. >>1568075 Trannies and leftoids also got their shit wrecked when Patreon shoah'd their lewd shit and now with Valve, they reap what they fucking sow Mao style.
>>1601082 Then you don't care about it and just want someone else to do the job you don't want to
>>1599142 >Create a [database of] databases of games Oooh, I like this one. The widespread net of big databases (Mobygames, IGDB, GameFAQs, etc) combined with the granularity of more niche sites like VNDB? Dream come true for big data nerds like me, I'd try to contribute however possible. Any recommendations for potential starting points (websites to invite/take inspiration from)? Although this part >devs don't have to worry about where their game is listed as an important part of selling their game seems terribly optimistic, especially since it will take months, minimum, to get that site the userbase needed to make it part of standard gaming conversation like Steam and GOG are now, and that's assuming people would even want to consult the site. I know a few databases for where television and movie programs are streaming like justwatch and none of them are well known on the internet at all. >>1601069 >the same person who was behind hiding City of Heroes private servers He fucking what? Source? >>1601281 Bold of you to assume common accessible AI generation isn't gonna be handicapped something fierce once someone(Musk, Gates, whoever) gets a monopoly, or government regulation gets sorted, or alphabet agencies figure a way to backdoor that shit for your information, or any of another dozen of things that could go wrong with it. Six years also seems wishful thinking considering the shoddy quality of most animations and voices I've seen. >>1601354 Yeah, the left trying to embrace degenerates/porn addicts in the face of the Trump presidency is causing a little ruckus, not the first time today I'm seeing leftards against Visa/Mastercard for the wrong reasons. Remind me to stop going to forums I assume are neutral and getting their opinions, they're fucking brain damaged >>1601641 Fukken lmao
>>1601855 >>1599142 The thing with a database is that the devs will want support to get more visiblity so it would be interesting to have events and other shit that can make their works visible as well cause some competition for spotlights in the site itself.
I found a comprehensive list on Foxdicks of what kinds of content is being censored by payment processors. General Categories of Refusals >Adult content / sex work >Far-right or far-left political speech >Controversial forums and websites >Piracy or grey-market software >Alternative medicine or fringe science >Weapons, 3D-printed guns, survival gear >Crypto-related services >Cannabis or other restricted goods >Artistic or narrative content deemed offensive Recent and Notable Examples 2024–2025: Game Platforms Targeted​ >Steam, Itch.io (2025): Certain adult and fetish games, including consensual non-consent (CNC) and "dubious" themes, were delisted or had funding cut off after Visa and Mastercard pressured Valve and Itch.io, citing "brand risk." This caused a cascading effect on indie developers. <Effect: Creators had to move to crypto or crowdfund platforms. >F95Zone, DLsite, and related platforms: Repeated threats from payment processors regarding hentai games and futanari / loli / borderline content, even when not illegal. <Visa has intermittently pressured these sites since ~2018. Online Forums and Speech Platforms​ >Kiwi Farms (2022–2023): Cloudflare dropped them first, but Stripe and others also refused to process payments, citing harassment and doxxing. <Effect: Deplatformed from both hosting and monetization, despite being legal in most jurisdictions. >Gab (2018+) & Parler (2020): Payment processors (including PayPal, Stripe, and banks) refused service due to extremist content and hate speech. <Effect: Severely hindered platform viability. >SubscribeStar (2018–2020): Initially billed as a Patreon alternative, but was blocked by PayPal over concerns about who it was hosting (e.g., Sargon of Akkad, Lauren Southern, etc.) <Effect: Temporarily crippled platform until alternative processors onboarded. Information and Ideology​ >WikiLeaks (2010–present): Visa, Mastercard, PayPal, and Bank of America all refused service following U.S. government pressure after the Cablegate leaks. <Effect: Forced migration to Bitcoin; considered a landmark moment in crypto history. >Alternative medicine / anti-vax platforms: Sites like Mercola.com and Children’s Health Defense (RFK Jr.) have reported PayPal, Stripe, and credit card refusals in recent years, especially post-COVID. <Effect: Loss of recurring donation revenue. Adult Content & Sex Work​ >OnlyFans (2021 temporary ban): Attempted to ban sexually explicit content under pressure from Visa and Mastercard, but reversed course due to backlash. <Effect: Demonstrated card network power over platforms even when content is legal. >Pornhub (2020): Visa and Mastercard cut ties after a NYT article accused Pornhub of hosting non-consensual and underage videos. Even after deletions and moderation reforms, card companies refused to reinstate service. <Effect: Massive revenue loss; many performers lost income. >Eros, Backpage, Switter, and other sex work-related platforms: Deplatformed from payment services due to FOSTA-SESTA laws, even when content was legal in local jurisdictions. Weapons, Survival, and Fringe Tech​ >Ghost Gun companies (e.g., Defense Distributed): Visa/Mastercard and PayPal banned transactions for 3D-printed gun parts or files. <Effect: Push to crypto, legal challenges. >Survival gear / prepper platforms: Certain fringe survivalist vendors were deplatformed by Stripe or Square under "weapons policy" language. Other Noteworthy Cases​ >Cannabis industry: Legal in many states but still denied most major payment processing due to federal law.
[Expand Post]<Effect: Cash-only businesses, prone to robbery and unable to scale. >Cryptocurrency services: Exchanges like Bitfinex, Binance US, and others have faced random account freezes or entire bank/payment processor shutdowns, often with no clear legal violation. >Drugs, smart drugs, or nootropics: Many online vendors of modafinil, racetams, or herbal extracts have been denied Stripe/PayPal access even when legal. Meta-Patterns and Implications​ >Soft Censorship: Most refusals aren't government-mandated but come from “brand protection” or vague “terms of service.” This creates a gray space of unaccountable deplatforming. >Financial Infrastructure as Ideological Filter: Visa, Mastercard, and PayPal exert significant quasi-sovereign power, filtering not through law but through “acceptable use policies.” >Crypto as Workaround: Bitcoin and Monero have become lifelines for many affected groups, though adoption is uneven and not user-friendly. >Narrative Power: Media pressure campaigns (e.g., NYT articles) are often the trigger events for payment processor action, suggesting a tight feedback loop between public narrative and financial infrastructure. All we need is to find sources for everything in this text and we could probably turn it into an easily-accessible resource to help more people understand the scale of payment processor censorship.
If there was a way to send cash directly to artists and developers I'd take it. Crypto is the only alternative I'm seeing atm, or maybe QR that skips the credit card bs. Elon is delusional if he thinks he can provide a solution.
>>1589684 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=2h2Cw-NcDwQ Looks like the gamer ecelebs are finally getting around to this.
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>>1602034 Forget them. Zenko Kurishita, a member of Japan's Parliament, has taken notice of the Collective Shout controversy. https://archive.fo/utXlc https://archive.fo/Ilhyz https://archive.fo/7YBXV >Thank you for sharing the information about Collective Shout. I believe that these escalating movements to restrict expression have the potential to shrink and destroy the global content industry. The reality of these movements is still largely unknown in Japan, so I would like to inform the Japanese public and also deliver it to the Diet. I would be extremely grateful if you could provide me with any information. I would also be grateful if you could provide any information from the content industry or from overseas people who are trying to protect freedom of expression who are reading this. >I have received a lot of information from overseas, including Savvy-san @MadamSavvy . In addition to the Australian group "CollectiveShout," which has been pressuring Steam to regulate expression, the American group "NCOSE" (National Center on Sexual Exploitation), which has been in existence since 1962, is also calling for Steam to strengthen its regulations. This is no longer speculation. They themselves are promoting these as their track record on HP and X. Further analysis is needed to determine "why global platforms and credit card brand-related companies accept the appeal of these groups," but since these are the source of expression regulation, the side that protects them will need to cooperate with overseas forces. We will continue to move forward. >The CollectiveShout issue has prompted me to receive messages from people all over the world who love anime, manga, content culture, and freedom of expression. I have been working on these issues in Japan since 2010. I am thrilled to have so many friends from all over the world. I would be very grateful if you would follow me. I hope that we can join forces across borders to fight against censorship of expression.
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any more rape based games like No Mercy and Unteralterbach? i need to fullfill my incel fantasies.
>>1602180 Fear & Hunger maybe?
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>>1602180 >Unteralterbach >rape fantasies In that you fantasize about being The Raped?
>>1601855 >seems terribly optimistic I won't deny it. Any solution must be optimistic by nature. You have to imagine the best future to reach for a less shitty one. Once adopted, it's the kind of system that would be very easy to maintain, but getting it to a state where it's useful to anyone would be very difficult.
>>1602180 Rapelay
>Anons start posting about "operation light up the night" on 4/v/. >Jannies go full fucking glassed earth and the entire board's activity halts to 30% of what it was just hours ago.
>>1601672 >you don't want to Sounds like you're projecting you fucking retard. If the (((payment processors))) weren't fucking with overseas shit people like regardless of border, a thread like this wouldn't be made - but someone in, say, France isn't gonna uproot himself to dump frogs on a Visa exec in America.
>>1601669 Yeah i am amazed with Steam caving without any resistance whatsoever and within minutes from the looks of it. I would really be weary buying games on Steam for the foreseeable future. >>1601952 Why not direct bank transfers or look into Ideal, i dont know why the USA is so addicted to using CC but i am using mine as a table coaster and have no issue making payments,buying games and eroge.
>>1602505 To be fair steam still allows the sale of lewd games unlike itch.io just blanket removing everything lewd.
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>>1602054 The Japanese attention on this made me find this. Looks like Collective Shout might've been working with people known for making false rape allegations before. https://xcancel.com/wakakusamidori_/status/1948033835008225713#m https://appinternational.org/2023/03/03/we-withdraw-our-article-about-the-kusatsu-incident-and-apologise-to-the-mayor-of-kusatsu-town/
>>1602733 Working with people defending people for making false allegations* rather
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>>1602733 Also the case was later dropped and instead she was indicted on false charges https://www.asahi.com/sp/articles/ASQB0759VQB0UTNB01C.html Not directly related to CS but these people have so many connections to weird individuals that you can find significant dirt almost anywhere. Here's the Women's Forum Australia (founded by Tankard Reist, same as CS) rallying against fucking WiFi https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/news/health/2023/07/29/the-anti-trans-group-that-defeated-big-w
>>1602471 Hilarious ngl.
>>1602733 >>1602756 I don't know how to contact him exactly, but you MIGHT want to send a message to friendlyjordies. He usually covers Australian collusion cases pretty objectively despite being a Labour lapdog.
>>1602054 Interesting that he is in direct contact with some people that have compiled info which is nice
>>1602805 I'm not Australian and I ain't got twitter.
>>1602733 >>1602737 >>1602756 >>1602829 He has been receiving a lotof stuff in twiiter, if its to send to him it would need to be something better compiled and organized with a tl;dr to get his attention, i can't do it myself because i'm fucking dogshit at organizing stuff
>>1602829 >>1602840 A mail would suffice. https://friendlyjordies.com/pages/contact https://archive.is/6lkBl >i can't do it myself because i'm fucking dogshit at organizing stuff Just keep hoarding links in here as well as any connection you might find, and we can figure something out later.
>>1602909 How about making a rentry/pastebin that people just go completing,something easy to add stuff and to share
>>1602918 I wish but, observe what happens when I try to link to rentry: https://unknown.spam/skkg3dxw I have asked the mods, board owner and site admins to whitelist it, but to no avail.
>>1602981 Weird i thought it was whitelisted rentry.org is listed on GG op
>>1602180 Black Souls 2
>>1603168 Or maybe it's the .co link that is getting blacklisted
>>1601041 You're right, but unfortunately implying that people should go at it solo is the issue, which is why you're labelled a fed.
>>1601855 >not the first time today I'm seeing leftards against Visa/Mastercard for the wrong reasons. Honestly the "reason" they're against them is arbitrary, the more people rally together against them out of simply a shared interest to fuck them up, the better. I'd gas them up by claiming they'd ban black trans women or their favorite scat porn or garbage if it meant it garnered them more notoriety. Granted the general angle of censorship and unregulated power to control sales is already enough as is. It's not like with SKG where you have to make them understand the technical aspect, this is pretty simple.
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Could I ask why people "suddenly" give one single flying fuck about Steam and itch.io banning games when they've been banning games for years? From itch.io banning innocent hentai games over the years: https://archive.ph/fcsCh To Steam having an entire spreadsheet of games that have gotten yanked: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aAbrEDNa2NmgntrKtij0RuxKneiFcTJisGyfMUv2nnM/ Honestly, fuck all these guys and let them rot in the Hell they've created for themselves. They only need to look in a mirror to see who to blame for causing this shit in the first place. <But this will have a knock-on effect that will cause other platforms to start censoring content as a deterrent. Okay, which of the following sites that I will be listing below have done the exact thing you're talking about, if not treated this entire shitshow like a big fat joke: https://booth.pm/ https://www.dlsite.com/ https://games.dmm.com/ https://www.freem.ne.jp/ https://jastusa.com/ https://www.mangagamer.com/ https://saikeystudios.com/ https://www.zoom-platform.com/
>>1603429 The overfocus on it being "them or those" is ridiculous, it's the payment processors, people may point them in the direction to do things but ultimately they're just small fry pointing the giant in a direction. Intimidating those groups into sitting down is one thing but it won't stop MC/VISA from going after shit they monitor so it's a pointless exercise to blame anybody else but the payment processors aside from painting it like "this might be what they target next" for fearmongering's sake.
>>1603435 I agree and I'm fundamentally opposed to there being "game distribution" monopolies in the first place. And if you as a business don't want to get censored by credit card companies, you should have a cryptocurrency payment option. It's really not that hard.
<<1603435 I'm sorry you have no reading comprehension and don't understand what's even happening
>>1603435 next you are going to say "who cares if im getting raped in the ass, people get raped every day"
>>1603435 Steam and other platforms have been banning obsence content here and there for years precisely because they don't want shit like MasterCard hammering them for having loli and other content. For a while everyone assumed things were fine as is but eventually the banwave caught up to Steam after shutting out Dlsite and other places. The issue here is that it's a huge banwave targeting very popular places. It's one thing to kill a hornet, and another to hit the hornet's nest. >Okay, which of the following sites that I will be listing below have done the exact thing you're talking about, if not treated this entire shitshow like a big fat joke: Steam is a huge platform that needs a lot of money to operate. If they switch payment providers to something that accepts their stuff, all of their customers would either have to switch or stop buying. Either way, their revenue would crash to the bottom and even if people switched it'd take time to recover and they'd probably have trouble making the same amount of money, especially if they went for crypto or something. For the Japanese they have not only smaller sites which are probably having an easier time since they can just use JCB but for a lot of places internationally, MC/VISA is ubiquitous to the point of being the only viable alternative. Hence they hold an unreasonable amount of power that they now abuse.
>>1603448 > and don't understand what's even happening <''Oh noes, the credit card companies (Who I shouldn't be using since they have a history of being prejudice against content) are forcing platforms (Who I shouldn't be using since they have a history of being prejudice against content) to remove content they don't like. Whatever shall we do, except use platforms and services that DON'T have a history of being prejudice against content? <Oh, I KNOW, let's appeal this problem to a government who has a history of being prejudice against content I think that about sums it up.
>>1603435 given that you haves spammed that retarded shit in at least 3 threads, i unkindly as metaphysically possible request you to jam a box grater up your ass & piston it in an out with as much force as that poor excuse of a misuse of oxygen which you call body can muster, thanks
>>1603474 >except use platforms and services that DON'T have a history of being prejudice against content? suggest at least 3 different payment providers up the task of replacing a few million credit cards internationally and in the west viable alternatives are not gonna change just because people who like to game don't wanna use the cards, cause the layman won't be using those things to boost those businesses, you're dealing with a duopoly (that has continually bought up rival businesses in places like Europe too)
>>1603466 >Steam and other platforms have been banning obsence content here and there for years precisely because they don't want shit like MasterCard hammering them for having loli and other content. No, it's because they're being biased against content. Infamous examples are how Steam banned Chaos;Head and Dungeon Travelers 2, but considers the entire Sex With Hitler series to be 100% (((kosher))). >Steam is a huge platform that needs a lot of money to operate. If they switch payment providers to something that accepts their stuff, all of their customers would either have to switch or stop buying. Either way, their revenue would crash to the bottom and even if people switched it'd take time to recover and they'd probably have trouble making the same amount of money, especially if they went for crypto or something. Does a company who wastes money developing games people won't play, developing operating systems no one uses, and releasing consoles no one can make a profit off of sound like a company that would have money issues if they need to switch payment processors? >>1603481 >suggest at least 3 different payment providers up the task of replacing a few million credit cards internationally and in the west Discover, Amex, and crypto
>>1603489 >Valve bans games They've banned games for skirting classification or having lewd files hidden in otherwise fine games. I'm not saying Valve doesn't have retard moments but digital stores in general don't permit the "risque" shit just so they don't get deplatformed. If it happened to Tumblr it can happen to anyone. >Does a company who wastes money developing games people won't play, developing operating systems no one uses, and releasing consoles no one can make a profit off of sound like a company that would have money issues if they need to switch payment processors? Enlighten me about the costs of running steam. Anyone can make a Linux distro. >>1603489 >Crypto lol lmao Steam isn't going to sustain itself off of something as infamously unstable as crypto and crypto isn't going to make for a giant card provider either >Amex Was also suspended from DLSite and to this day I don't see them accepting it, it's for goycattle too anon https://x.com/AUTOMATON_ENG/status/1776056679056241117 Not used by DLsite = NOT SAFE. https://cs.dlsite.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500002888202-What-payment-methods-do-you-accept Simple as. >Discover Also for goycattle https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/14/business/mastercard-visa-discover-pornhub Try again this time but actually research what might work
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>>1603515 ALSO just so you know, even making your own Payment Processor is hard. Why? I'll let you know, this kind of censorship predates the internet. https://www.documentjournal.com/2023/03/spankchain-spankpay-shutdown-sex-workers-financial-discrimination-visa-mastercard-banking-adult-industry/ Which is why what activist groups like Collective Shout are doing is just a symptom of these faggots being able to rugpull legitimate businesses thanks to shitty laws and poor judgements by judges.
>>1603481 >suggest at least 3 different payment providers up the task of replacing a few million credit cards internationally and in the west This is a small project with MySQL and your choice of web stack together with Electrum Server and BCHD Neutrino. >>1603515 >Steam isn't going to sustain itself off of something as infamously unstable as crypto and crypto isn't going to make for a giant card provider either Valve easily has the means to convert to fiat every day or every half day if they wanted to.
>>1603515 >They've banned games for skirting classification or having lewd files hidden in otherwise fine games. Okay, so why do games like Tokyo Clanpool (Which was previously released on consoles) get the axe, yet Nekopara is 100% Valve-approved incest? >Anyone can make a Linux distro. So all their work done with SteamOS and Proton was done by volunteers hiding in their basement? >Steam isn't going to sustain itself off of something as infamously unstable as crypto How is crypto "unstable" when even governments are adopting it: https://archive.ph/t8U48 >Was also suspended from DLSite and to this day I don't see them accepting it Isn't there some additional fees tied to Amex that no other CC company has? >https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/14/business/mastercard-visa-discover-pornhub And why do I care about what happened to a site that's run by Kikes and has actually defended cheeze pizza being posted? >Which is why what activist groups like Collective Shout are doing is just a symptom of these faggots being able to rugpull legitimate businesses thanks to shitty laws and poor judgements by judges. The funny things is that you'll notice that JCB and Discover were also addressed in the Collective Shout message. Where are they during this entire mess?
>>1603538 >This is a small project with MySQL and your choice of web stack together with Electrum Server and BCHD Neutrino. Cool, where are the competitors to MC/VISA then? Again, you can't just magic payment providers out of thin air. You need much more than just being able to make a corp, hold up a server and print cards. You need lawyers to defend yourself from retarded activists and you need to be unreliant or resilient against a bank you rely on too. See >>1603530 Small "porn payment providers" have already been systematically killed before. Why would your payment provider be any different? >>1603551 >Okay, so why do games like Tokyo Clanpool (Which was previously released on consoles) get the axe, yet Nekopara is 100% Valve-approved incest? I've already said Valve has retard moments, I never denied this. I said that platforms try to dodge these kinds of banwaves and now they've failed because it was inevitably going to come for them anyway. >So all their work done with SteamOS and Proton was done by volunteers hiding in their basement? Anyone who knows code can take Linux and spin it off if they want to. Valve having a ton of money to hire coders to work on their own projects is one thing. But that doesn't answer the question, running a massive platform like Steam is definitely not cheap. >Isn't there some additional fees tied to Amex that no other CC company has? I don't know but if places like Dlsite don't use them as an alternative then they don't see them as a realistic alternative to the prudish ones. >And why do I care about what happened to a site that's run by Kikes and has actually defended cheeze pizza being posted? Read through the lines anon, Discover jumped on the bandwagon = Discover hates porn just as much as the other ones. >The funny things is that you'll notice that JCB and Discover were also addressed in the Collective Shout message. Where are they during this entire mess? We have no clue what Discover was doing because they were never addressed, but they've acted on this stuff before. JCB is a Japanese payment provider and they don't give a fuck evidently since DLSite can use JCB. The simple indicator of whether or not a payment provider is risky is to look if they're available on the previously struck Japanese sites that abandoned the foreign payment processors or not.
>>1603429 Trying to divert attention from payment processors to their puppets. The real target is Mastercard/Visa, there is trails from Collective Shout to the Australian Government, and some vague trails linking them to MC/V that needs digging
>>1603565 >Cool, where are the competitors to MC/VISA then? Isn't each bank and credit union directly a competitor when you factor in methods like checks? >I've already said Valve has retard moments Why do you keep dismissing their censorship attempts as "retard moments"? Do you not remember that Gaben had to step in to get Hatred on the store? >I said that platforms try to dodge these kinds of banwaves No, they haven't. They just needed an excuse to remove "all" the content they didn't want instead of being selective about who they could reject. >But that doesn't answer the question, running a massive platform like Steam is definitely not cheap. And wasting millions of dollar on a device sold at a huge loss is? In addition, "how" would Valve be desperate for money when they have a monopoly on the ENTIRE PC GAME MARKET? And are a significant aspect of any trade events having to do with PC gaming. >I don't know but if places like Dlsite don't use them as an alternative then they don't see them as a realistic alternative to the prudish ones. Or it could just be that they don't see a point in accommodating foreign credit card companies for a site mostly dedicated to weebs. You don't see Discover listed either, even though you can get around that restriction thanks to Discoverer's partnership with JCB. >Discover jumped on the bandwagon They jumped on the bandwagon to stop their services from being used to sell and promote literal unironic cheeze pizza? >We have no clue what Discover was doing because they were never addressed, but they've acted on this stuff before. Again, you're excuse is them preventing the usage of their services for a site that sold, promoted, and defended literal unironic cheeze pizza? >JCB is a Japanese payment provider and they don't give a fuck evidently since DLSite can use JCB. How would you know? Just like with Discover, you have no idea what JCB actuallly did as they haven't made a statement. >The simple indicator of whether or not a payment provider is risky is to look if they're available on the previously struck Japanese sites that abandoned the foreign payment processors or not. Then Discover is A-okay, per their partnership with JCB. Why are you making a fuss?
I'm beginning to think that conservative anti-sex payment processors and stockholders were the true masterminds all along and the age of wokeness was just a temporary acceptable front to engage in their "anti-degeneracy" campaigns with the full support of the liberals who were supposed to stop them
>>1603607 That's irrelevant though?
>>1603607 They're not conservative. Its just that they've been sued before for allowing illegal transactions to go though like it's their job to monitor what people buy. Which is bullshit but that's the courts for you. So now they're overcorrecting and overstepping their bounds. Probably going mad with power at the same time.
>>1603587 Sorry for taking a while. >Isn't each bank and credit union directly a competitor when you factor in methods like checks? Maybe, but that doesn't change anything in effect here. Steam doesn't do direct bank transfers, it has a handful of payment methods (and some depend on the region), of which I can find is: Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Discover, JCB; PayPal, WebMoney, Skrill and Trustly, probably among a few others. The issue is that even if the competitors "exist", they are basically not competition. MC/VISA are used by practically every bank that normal people use, they will always be large. Before someone ever buys a Steam game with their own money, chances are they've gotten an MC/VISA card with no care of their censorship. And the people that care about the censorship are definitely not big enough of a party to make a difference in the market of payment processors even if they all shifted to Discover or something like that, which I don't think would work. We called Mastercard/VISA a duopoly and for good reason and that's because they in effect are. Wanting people to change to something else is good, but will it happen? Probably fucking not, that's why you need either a government alternative for national security reasons (like the EU is attempting) or regulation. >Why do you keep dismissing their censorship attempts as "retard moments"? Because Valve bars perfectly fine stuff one one day and allows extremely lewd shit the next. Their standards have been all over the place for a while. And I remember that, but that was also 10 years ago, Steam didn't allow porn then and something clearly changed for that to happen in the first place. >And wasting millions of dollar on a device sold at a huge loss is? etc etc None of this ultimately matters because Steam is a huge giant and is going to consume a ton of money just to keep running regardless. If you don't know how much money they need to intake to maintain themselves then don't act like you know their every motivation. You don't have enough information to gauge this and their acting is clearly inconsistent. I'll get back to that later in this post. >They jumped on the bandwagon to stop their services from being used to sell and promote literal unironic cheeze pizza? Yeah, I'll retract that part of my post. Clearly they were in the right about that. HOWEVER, back to DLSite. >How would you know? Just like with Discover, you have no idea what JCB actuallly did as they haven't made a statement. I know because DLSite doesn't list either AmEx or Discover despite both being partnered with JCB's network. JCB's network works with DLSite, AmEx and Discover's don't. Just because they're meant to have compatibility doesn't mean something has to support it, and DLSite doesn't. JCB doesn't care and the reason is pretty simple: They sell on DLSite, you can buy downright lolicon games and ASMR with hypnosis and lolis and everything on DLSite no sweat and your JCB card will be accepted. >Then Discover is A-okay, per their partnership with JCB. Why are you making a fuss? Read above. I said I'd get back to Steam earlier in the post so I'll mention: Please don't tell me "How would you know?" if you cannot possibly know how much money Steam needs to maintain itself either. They can sell shit at a loss, sure, but they don't wanna introduce unnecessary risk. If there's anything that's consistent with Steam it's not taking huge risks. Making handheld computers based on orders instead of production batches like most console companies is literally the least risky way of entering that market.
I think decentralization is cool, but the tricky part is remaining decentralized enough. Modern Internet is very tiring in how little exploration there is.
>>1603567 This, ever since people started bringing up the fair banking act bill on 4chan I noticed there's a massive uptick on the amount of people trying to make it either a left vs right or us vs da ebil religion posts.
>>1603763 >Steam doesn't do direct bank transfers Perhaps they should, I mean if they actually cared that is. >The issue is that even if the competitors "exist", they are basically not competition You mean like how EGS, GOG, and Zoom-Platform are "not" competitors to Steam? I don't see that as an excuse for anything. >MC/VISA are used by practically every bank that normal people use, they will always be large No, they won't if they keep pissing off their customers. >And the people that care about the censorship are definitely not big enough of a party to make a difference in the market Yes, they will. History keeps showing that such people consistently become more oppressive to the point that they effectively alienate everyone. Though it doesn't often get that far as it usually only takes around 10%-20% market share loss at most before they begin to backtrack on their activities. Unless they're government funded. >We called Mastercard/VISA a duopoly and for good reason and that's because they in effect are Only because YOU give them that power. You want them to lose it? Stop using Visa and Mastercard and use someone else's service. >Because Valve bars perfectly fine stuff one one day and allows extremely lewd shit the next. Their standards have been all over the place for a while. In other words, it's not a platform that treats creators fairly and equally. So, again, why were you guys expecting any different and surprised by such an action as the one in this thread? >And I remember that, but that was also 10 years ago So? If people are willing to do something once, they ARE willing to do it again. >If you don't know how much money they need to intake to maintain themselves then don't act like you know their every motivation Couldn't you make the same argument for the credit card companies? After all, they are such a "huge giant" with services that will "consume a ton of money just to keep running". Therefore it is in THEIR best interest to take preemptive measures against companies and services that would prove to threaten or be obtrusive towards their ability to operate, especially with governments placing the blame on them for not "watching" who they do business with as this Anon pointed out: >>1603723 It doesn't go both ways. You cannot excuse Valve without also excusing Visa/MC, with the reverse also being true that you cannot condemn Visa/MC without also condemning Valve.
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>>1603435 Because the reason they were banning shit was to avoid payment processors nailing them in the first place you stupid fucking weaboo retard. Yet another thread you shit up with your retarded niggerbabble.
>>1603888 >Only because YOU give them that power. You want them to lose it? Stop using Visa and Mastercard and use someone else's service. Unironically already on it. Unfortunately for some countries there's no real alternatives at all.
>>1603888 I understand most of what you're saying and I agree with a fair bit of it but the differing points are kind of irrelevant. I'm just talking what in effect might happen. Immediately speaking, they're not going to crash out and lose 20% of their market at a quick rate over porn games on steam. >EGS, GOG, and Zoom-Platform They basically aren't. They'd like to be, but they aren't. They're not even non-competitors in the same way that Sony is with Nintendo, they just can't compete. GOG has a draw in being DRM free for the most part but that's about it. >No, they won't if they keep pissing off their customers. The amount of people paying for porn are plenty, but in the larger picture they're not actually that big, which is the main issue here. MC/VISA's customers are not just "every other guy who's still able to get it up", their customers are literally everyone. The demographic being targeted here is probably targeted partway because they don't view losing them as a risk. >Only because YOU give them that power. You want them to lose it? Stop using Visa and Mastercard and use someone else's service. I already use another service plenty in my nation but that one isn't supported by Steam. Steam supports the most popular shit, but tell me when they start introducing European payment processors like Swish, BLIK or eventually Wero because I'd love to just use my phone to pay for vidya. >In other words, it's not a platform that treats creators fairly and equally Yes, they treat everyone except big AAA studios rather retardedly. I agree. >So, again, why were you guys expecting any different and surprised by such an action as the one in this thread? Because it was a sweeping ban and a change in policy that was inconsistent at best beforehand. It doesn't take a genius to know that. >So? If people are willing to do something once, they ARE willing to do it again. There's a difference between forcing payment processors 60x the size of Valve to yield to people they don't like. >Couldn't you make the same argument for the credit card companies? After all, they are such a "huge giant" with services that will "consume a ton of money just to keep running". Therefore it is in THEIR best interest to take preemptive measures against companies and services that would prove to threaten or be obtrusive towards their ability to operate, especially with governments placing the blame on them for not "watching" who they do business with as this Anon pointed out: In part they act out for legal reasons but the other part is that they overreach and target things that are not illegal and haven't been punished by law for decades at this point and even then it isn't in most states of the US where MC/VISA are seated. Secondly, long before the payment processor oppression of today you still had banks shutting shit down: https://www.documentjournal.com/2023/03/spankchain-spankpay-shutdown-sex-workers-financial-discrimination-visa-mastercard-banking-adult-industry/ >“The insidious part of this is that it’s part of a legacy of financial discrimination that’s been going on since before the internet. It’s the modern equivalent of redlining.” They're not just doing this because the law sucks ass and they wanna cover every little mistake (even to the point of insane overreach like policing fiction), but they're doing it because it's just what banks do. We shouldn't let them be able to do it because their position, both in the case of law and their power, is exploited by these activists, ontop of their own crackdowns.
>>1603917 >They basically aren't. They'd like to be, but they aren't. They're not even non-competitors in the same way that Sony is with Nintendo, they just can't compete. GOG has a draw in being DRM free for the most part but that's about it. And yes I'm talking in the sense of people using the service. Steam has sweeping influence because everyone uses it. Games sold on Epic are fucking unknown until they're put on Steam. Same reason why Discover pulling out from DLSite isn't noticed, but MC/VISA is, because everyone fucking uses them and is compatible with them.
I don't think Valve ever reported on what it costs to run the servers for Steam but I would wager it's at least $100 million, with the biggest expense being the bandwidth to hold all the games, listed and delisted.
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>>1603917 >Immediately speaking, they're not going to crash out and lose 20% of their market at a quick rate over porn games on steam. That is correct and I will not deny that fact. However, I don't care. I'm tired of seeing people making excuse for why they "should" still be allowed to make bad decisions for themselves and then whining about how they should not be held "responsible" for any of the results that happen because they made those bad decisions. All the people whining about the game censorship happening with Steam and Itch.io have only themselves to blame for using such services that have repeatedly shown that they are biased and will likely fold if anything happens, like what just did. >they just can't compete Why not? The "only" thing they don't have that Steam does is the social media aspect. But then you also have Uplay and Origin that do have that social media aspect, and people still don't use those. >The amount of people paying for porn are plenty, but in the larger picture they're not actually that big But they are dedicated. The type of customer that companies WANT to have. >I already use another service plenty in my nation but that one isn't supported by Steam. Then I guess you don't use Steam. Where's the issue? >Because it was a sweeping ban and a change in policy that was inconsistent at best beforehand. You're saying "inconsistent", but I see it as indicative of the company's intentions. It's a big reason why I'm extremely opposed to government regulation. The more the government controls how people act, the less you can trust a person's true intentions. I see those "inconsistent occurrences" as Steam displaying what they WOULD do had they the power without harming their reputation. Now they do, and you see what happened. >There's a difference between forcing payment processors 60x the size of Valve to yield to people they don't like. A difference between that and...what? >In part they act out for legal reasons but the other part is that they overreach and target things that are not illegal and haven't been punished by law for decades at this point and even then it isn't in most states of the US where MC/VISA are seated. And Valve is doing the same thing, yet you're defending them. >Secondly, long before the payment processor oppression of today you still had banks shutting shit down And again, Valve is doing the same thing. And perhaps "unlike" those banks, there are other storefronts aside from Steam that you can very easily access as they're only a URL address away. >They're not just doing this because the law sucks ass and they wanna cover every little mistake (even to the point of insane overreach like policing fiction), but they're doing it because it's just what banks do. And Valve is censoring games because "it's just what monopolies do". >We shouldn't let them be able to do it because their position And you don't, by switching what companies you do business with. >>1603921 >because everyone fucking uses them and is compatible with them. At point did anyone ever say that opposing people and companies that are in the wrong and should be punished going to be "easy" and "convenient"? Much more to the point, WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE!? You're a Goddamn gamer. "Breaking the system" and facing "impossible" challenges is "suppose" to be what we do. And rather than personally taking control over the situation and fixing it yourself, you're going to hand it over to some fucking noob normalfag that was likely nodding along with (((Lieberman))) when he was ridiculing Doom and Mortal Kombat?
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>The lolbert is defending literal state-enforced monopolies If there was any doubt left it's a shill, it's gone now.
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>>1603997 >All the people whining about the game censorship happening with Steam and Itch.io have only themselves to blame for using such services that have repeatedly shown that they are biased and will likely fold if anything happens, like what just did. I doubt they'd ever get popular enough to even have an audience if they removed the most popular payment methods. Basically, to exist for most people and even be known, you need MC/VISA. >Why not? They just can't. Steam has the social media problem. People have bought with Steam, don't wanna part with their Steam library and best of all, Steam takes a lot of care to avoid pissing off their userbase when they can avoid it. Only denying games at times with very inconsistent judgements that are unclear even to the people submitting them. >Then I guess you don't use Steam. Where's the issue? I actually mostly play emulated games nowadays, but if I ever wanted to pay a developer I like I am almost exclusively forced to use Steam. And again, your expectation and blame game is unrealistic. People came in to Steam with Mastercard/VISA, the card works everywhere, and they're probably gonna keep using it because it works everywhere and the other stuff doesn't. >but I see it as indicative of the company's intentions. What? That they one day allow incest rape games and the other day they don't care and stop the slightly indecent video game instead? The intentions is clearly not clear, and hell, it's probably up to individual reviewers at Valve. >I see those "inconsistent occurrences" as Steam displaying what they WOULD do had they the power without harming their reputation Again, Steam didn't have porn on it at all a decade ago. Pretending like Steam akshualleh didn't want this stuff on their platform is just silly, they let the envelope be pushed intentionally and they're only clamping down because the big guy got upset that they weren't redlining in his stead. If Steam could get away with selling loli sex games with pregnancy included they would. >A difference between that and...what? My mistake. There's a difference between forcing a giant duopoly that's omnipresent in daily life to bend to the whims to fans of a small subset of a decently sized medium and forcing the people that require them to exist to bend. You've already said that it is correct that they're not going to crash out and lose 20% of their market rate over porn on Steam, so you accept this as being realistic. Which is the point, the realistic way to get at them is regulation or a judge making a good call for once in their life or Japan telling them to shut up (at least for the Japanese sites). All three unlikely but still better than nothing. >And Valve is doing the same thing, yet you're defending them. Valve isn't curbing them for legal reasons, they're curbing them because of quasi-governmental overreach by an unchallenged duopoly that has people in chairs at the FTC. I.E. by force. If I were a food business, you'd blame me for following new food regulations you don't like instead of the government trying to clamp down on your behavior. >there are other storefronts aside from Steam that you can very easily access as they're only a URL address away. And plenty of them don't use common payment methods or are intimidated into moderating their content to avoid prying eyes. Nevermind that the issue is much wider than JUST game censorship. >And Valve is censoring games because "it's just what monopolies do". Haha. What strawman is this? Banks are not monopolies. Mastercard/VISA process payments and work with banks, they're in the same faction, hence this is a legacy of discrimination descending from banks, not "monopolies" >And you don't, by switching what companies you do business with. Aha, so we should sign away from SKG too then and let the free market decide to kill live service games and somehow get every publisher to offer private server hosting software? That's basically the same argument. If your belief is that companies will bow to the whim of customers and that it will be easy to do so, let alone realistic (which is what my issue with your position is), then I'm afraid you'll never see what you crave. >At point did anyone ever say that opposing people and companies that are in the wrong and should be punished going to be "easy" and "convenient"? I am saying you're expecting too much out of people. It's easier to get people to push for legislation than to get millions of people (at best there's a few hundred thousand caring about this actively) to get their bank to adopt new payment processors that don't do this shit. Even then, the issue is not that but legality. >You're a Goddamn gamer. "Breaking the system" and facing "impossible" challenges is "suppose" to be what we do. And rather than personally taking control over the situation and fixing it yourself, you're going to hand it over to some fucking noob normalfag that was likely nodding along with (((Lieberman))) when he was ridiculing Doom and Mortal Kombat? It's easy to talk big but what the fuck do you think "facing impossible challenges" is in this case? One man can't change the world and I'll believe people (including you) will mass divest from VISA/MC when I see it. But even then, on principle, a duopoly (monopoly in disguise) should be trustbusted into pieces. Until then you've got a few realistic options and frankly, that is all there is to it.
>>1567443 Has anyone brought up the Sony and Namco stock buy out stuff? Or the notice that gum road is killing NSFW content on it's platform?
>>1604180 >Sony and Namco stock buy out stuff? You mean sony acquired $460 million stake in namco? First I heard of that happening just now. >Or the notice that gum road is killing NSFW content on it's platform? Happened last year, not much discussion happened around it I don't think.
>>1604107 >Basically, to exist for most people and even be known, you need MC/VISA. Why do you guys keep deflecting the argument onto "everyone else", like whatever normalfags do somehow has some control over your own personal actions? >People have bought with Steam, don't wanna part with their Steam library Okay, that's their problem. They're should have made smarter decisions. >but if I ever wanted to pay a developer I like I am almost exclusively forced to use Steam Why? Steam is not the only storefront to exists that sells games. There's other places, several of which I have already mentioned. Though the only ones I would recommend are the ones listed here: >>1603435 And if a developer doesn't release their game on any of those platforms, then I guess it's not a game worth buying nor playing. So, again, where's the problem? >The intentions is clearly not clear Yes, it is. The company doesn't treat developers fairly and equally. What's so hard to grasp about that? >it's probably up to individual reviewers at Valve. And why are they NOT holding those individuals responsible for their actions and telling them to knock it off? >Steam didn't have porn on it at all a decade ago Yes, it did: https://archive.ph/uFmfl >You've already said that it is correct that they're not going to crash out and lose 20% of their market rate over porn on Steam Lose that 20% overnight, no. That shit takes time. >the realistic way to get at them is regulation or a judge making a good call for once in their life You're saying the "best move" is to trust a government who's been consistent and vehemently anti-sex to "just this once" defend sex? >Valve isn't curbing them for legal reasons You just said that the credit card companies ARE curbing these activities for legal reasons, so which is it? And even then, you added on that "they overreach and target things that are not illegal", which Valve has been doing. >If I were a food business, you'd blame me for following new food regulations you don't like instead of the government trying to clamp down on your behavior. You really want to bring up the food business and all the problems with that: https://odysee.com/@johnstossel:7/classic-stossel-illegal-food:1 >And plenty of them don't use common payment methods Then I guess you don't use their services, and you find companies who do. >or are intimidated into moderating their content to avoid prying eyes Such as? >Nevermind that the issue is much wider than JUST game censorship. Not really as the same handful of groups and companies doing this, primarily because of people trading their freedoms for convenience and ease. And they will KEEP doing it until people say enough and stop doing business with these companies. >What strawman is this? You're saying that the problem is who they "are", not what they do. I just did the same. Unless you're declaring that Steam ISN'T a monopoly who has abused their power. >Mastercard/VISA process payments and work with banks, they're in the same faction, hence this is a legacy of discrimination descending from banks But they're not the only banks. >and let the free market decide to kill live service games and somehow get every publisher to offer private server hosting software? What kind of example is that? Why do you care about what Ubisoft and EA do to their games and their customers when you don't even support those companies in the first place? Aren't you guys supporting Indies and other companies who DON'T make GaaS titles? >If your belief is that companies will bow to the whim of customers They won't unless they lose money. And they won't lose money unless you find another company to do business with. So are you finding another company to do business with? Are you finding another platform to buy games from? Are you finding other companies who you want to support for making games that you like? >I am saying you're expecting too much out of people. I'm not expecting anything out of "people". I'm talking to YOU, I'm talking to Anons. Are you saying that I'm expecting "too much" out of Anons? >what the fuck do you think "facing impossible challenges" is in this case? At the immediate moment, telling Visa, and MC, and Steam, and Itch.io that you don't need them. That seems to be the "impossible" at this very moment, as everyone else is making excuses up and down the entire fucking thread for Steam and Itch.io shouldn't be raked through the coals and held responsible for their actions.
>>1604224 >Why do you guys keep deflecting the argument onto "everyone else", like whatever normalfags do somehow has some control over your own personal actions? Because my actions are irrelevant at the scale we're talking about. That's part of the whole problem with your feverishly libertarian stance. I'm not a guy who holds nukes, and the chance that I can become a president is minimal. The average person lives life day to day, trying to enjoy their time. Not everyone is built to drop everything they're doing, go out and re-educate themselves or dedicate their life to combating censorship. Again with realism, you expect way too much from people which is why your stance falls flat on its face against everyone in this thread. Power is only wielded by people collectively in the vast vast majority of cases, even the government you're too obsessed with hating to see any use in is only powered because people at large pay taxes. The government openly allows people to enter it so that it does not incite rebellion, but even that's too much for many people to try their hand at. Are you going to tell everyone to stop paying taxes and go become politicians? Go ahead and start campaigning for that and be the change you wish to see, you believe in your own power enough to think it's somehow possible, so nothing is stopping you. You should be able to get around me, right? I'm the impossible challenge you think is easy to set up against, which is pragmatism. >Why? Steam is not the only storefront to exists that sells games. Use these stores instead or don't buy Imagine if you had a store selling a bunch of chips with a taste of chili and cheese, but then they ban it. Someone comes around to you and tells you to buy chips that taste like vinegar at another store across the street, what do you do? Yeah, I'd test it, but it's not the same. These stores are not a replacement and the insinuation that it's "not worth buying" just because a gigantic gigacorp decided to bully the store selling something is complete bogus and peak bootlicking. >You just said that the credit card companies ARE curbing these activities for legal reasons, so which is it? You must stop skimming my texts too quickly because the point is obivous: Steam is abused, you are abused. MC/VISA are not abused, they are overreaching based on legal precedent and regular banking faggotry to try and crack down on things that they decided are too risky for them to support. If the law said that legal things are fine, actually, they would not be held liable for hosting those services and it'd fall into the hands of law enforcement to take down products from the web which is what should actually happen. There is a higher power than Steam trying to sockpuppet Steam against you, but you only rail against Steam (who are too powerful for (you) to budge anyway, honest) instead of the payment processor forcing them to abuse your freedoms (and their own freedom) with overreach. >You're saying that the problem is who they "are", not what they do. I just did the same I'm saying payment processors and banks have a different culture and circumstance to how they operate. They are not comparable to Steam. Also, as I've already already mentioned, Steam were the ones who approached the eroge business. Since you keep saying that Valve has "intent" in "crushing eroge" essentially, then you have to reconcile this with the fact that they openly welcomed eroge into the store for many many years before clamping down on them over this. You're essentially trying to say that not only are two different kinds of institutions the same (a bank and a market) but you're trying to say that Steam approached eroge only to kill it for lulz. It's a completely retarded stance. >But they're not the only banks. Too bad, they're the only popular payment processors that are available everywhere. If you believe it's possible to change that fact then go ahead and do so. >hurr durr just boycott live service games!/general retardation regarding SKG Do you think people never boycotted live service games? Do you think I buy them? I don't, but retarded consumers do because they wanna play a game. And they make a lot of money and take over the market. Nowadays, instead of making loads of smaller games, people like Sony cram 400$million into Concord only for it to instantly die. Even if I and a lot of other conscious people decided to boycott the practice, it'd do nothing since it can be fed by whales (see: gachashit) to sustain itself. Even beyond that, it's not just about PRACTICE but of OWNERSHIP, you're scamming me if I can't keep what I pay full price for. If you stand against SKG for flimsy reasons like "hurr vote with your wallet" then that says enough about you as a person, you'll own nothing and you'll be happy. >I'm not expecting anything out of "people". I'm talking to YOU Do you believe I can change the world on my lonesome? Accept reality, life is a game of chance. Maybe you luck out and get some future president to agree with you by spieling about this crap. But you know an easier way to get that done? Push realistic solutions, motivate a large mass of people with it, and even if it doesn't work, they'll be disappointed and resentful of things not changing and left with more motivation. I'm saying you expect too much out of anyone, because "voting with your wallet" is in most cases a completely unrealistic expectation, especially against a monopoly. >At the immediate moment, telling Visa, and MC, and Steam, and Itch.io that you don't need them. Steam and Itch.io would die or suffer significantly losses if they actually fought with VISA/MC in court over this. They're small time compared to them. That's what I mean, they're omnipresent, gigantic corps dozens and dozens of times the size of one of the biggest non-Microsoft gaming companies AND they control their revenue stream. Expecting pushback from them is a fool's errand, not because they don't want to, but because it'd hurt them much more (and possibly fatally) than not to. Finally >You're saying the "best move" is to trust a government who's been consistent and vehemently anti-sex to "just this once" defend sex? You're giving up before you even try anything, so much for doing the impossible, eh? But really, if law can still entrap the current government to a significant extent, a government that varies from state to state and federally, and can be exploited to benefit you (the legislation in this case is about GUNS and POLITICS but just happens to include obscene but legal material based on description) then why not take the chance. Worst case you end up with the same problems, best case: You win! And you don't have to upend your entire life to become a politician or live as a hermit who can't buy from a convenience store to do this. That's all I have to say.
>>1604201 >You mean sony acquired $460 million stake in namco? God I hope they don't make Ace Combat a Playstation exclusive again.
So beggining today, no more english anons (without a VPN) here?
>>1604421 I can't see how they are going to do it any other way, not to mention most of "right-wing" will need to be blocked if they are going down the same road as the UK/EU
>>1604433 nice dubs so wait they really went forward with that nonsense?!
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Please God make patreon ban nsfw content next it would be so fucking epic. make people get a job that actually contributes to society in a real way.
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>(((Steam NSFW takedown))) >(((Itch.io NSFW giga purge))) >(((UK bans porn sites))) >(((entire European twitter stealth porn-banned too as of RIGHT NOW, asking for ID age verification before letting you see either roasties or 2D pussy))) >All of this in the span of 2 weeks STOP NOTICING
>>1604685 All of this is fantastic, stop using a fucking drain on your mind and soul and body.
>>1604693 As if they would only stop at porn. They have already censored coverage of protests against immigrants in the UK.
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>>1604701 Good thing sharing those is actually beneficial to waking people up to the fact governments are genuinely fucking evil nowadays there are always alternate ways to get info out. If a mainstream usage fails, use alternates
>>1604660 Sorry champ, real jobs all belong imm*grants. What you're going to get instead is an increase in people living with their parents, possibly a tiny bump in white crime rates.
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>>1604693 >he thinks those purges are based on puritanism KEK Don't forget to let us scan your ID before lurking, posting and playing online! You don't want to? Too bad! Bye! -your ISP soon
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>>1604716 Anon that reality is already here >>1604718 I am fully aware that this is just overreach so they can be fully draconian but since porn is legitimately that fucking destructive to society, i'll take the Good with the evil that must come with it, also good luck i'm not retarded enough to not know how to get around shit like that unlike most.
>>1604723 Except this will do nothing to make society better at this stage it will just get more degenerate instead
>>1604685 >(((UK bans porn sites))) they banned the entire internet. english anon has to scan its face if he wants to access any site with adult content, while using the most far reaching interpretation of "adult content" they can. that menas even if asite has a single swear word in there, guess what? thats hate speech, scan yoyr face you bloke
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>>1604738 Then let's go down into this ride into hell together and see how crazy it gets as one of the last few people with sanity and free will, if we even have that.
>>1604723 >>1604723 I'll agree with you that live action pornography made by the predatory porn industry fits into that category, but I don't think video games or drawings or comic books / manga are anywhere close to a level of danger that live-action pornography companies and stuff like only fans has perpetuated on society. I would say that there might actually be an artistic value when it comes to hentai and erotica in video games. You know that these fucks aren't doing this for any reason other than to power grab. And they will still perpetuate degrading and degenerate sexual practices along with racial fetishism on the population through controlled media consumption... But hey I guess as long as it state sponsored its all "ok"
>>1604738 >>1604777 >I'll agree with you that live action pornography made by the predatory porn industry fits into that category, but I don't think video games or drawings or comic books / manga are anywhere close to a level of danger that live-action pornography companies and stuff like only fans has perpetuated on society. >I would say that there might actually be an artistic value when it comes to hentai and erotica in video games They both fry your brain all the same, and i find it hard to put value on something only intended to fuck you up, it would be like admiring a fancy beer bottle or something and the beer is like %50 proof or more Sexual exploitation and idolization has ruined countries so fucking hard and nobody even realizes because they've become complacent in their circus and peanuts
>>1604781 have any exemple of that or just gonna pull shit out of your ass
>>1604777 The fact that porn sites gets legal leeway from incest laws just by enforcing a "step" prefix is absurd and just shows that the rules enforced are mostly token actions when it comes to genuinely damaging shit, but iron hand strong for comparatively irrelevant shit when it comes to potential for societal damage. No clue where to go from here, just annoys me that if we consider this to be some weird power grabbing maneuver, then what are they really trying to grab power to do, and who is it doing it? Because this current step in censorship is doing fuck all but annoy people for no real change, which just leads me to believe that the perpetrators or the assumed perpetrators being the grandmas in australia that were planted as the spark for this power grab, and will serve as the scapegoat for (((our overlords))). are just out of touch and completely misaligned into what counts as societal damage. Sorta like the satanic panic, but, again, I guess. >>1604781 >They both fry your brain all the same I find that really hard to argue for anything but the most degenerate of video-games / art. And that's coming from someone that has repeatedly bashed lewd video-games in this board. Degenerate that they may be, and barely worth being described as video-games they might, even if they're just horrible games in being games, they still have NOTHING on the level of degeneracy and pure evil that's on pure porn.
>>1604789 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38413365/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34723731/ And how it changes your ventrial stratium https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38026725/ >>1604796 >I find that really hard to argue for anything but the most degenerate of video-games / art. And that's coming from someone that has repeatedly bashed lewd video-games in this board. Degenerate that they may be, and barely worth being described as video-games they might, even if they're just horrible games in being games, they still have NOTHING on the level of degeneracy and pure evil that's on pure porn. I will agree of course, there was still effort put in besides just "MY DICK" due to coding and such, but it's not a huge leap above
You guys looking forward to digital IDs?
>>1604807 Not even from the effort to develop, there's the effort to consume as well. The barest of bare degenerate games at least stimulate your mind at least a little bit, have you rub your neurons for the creativity part of your brain to truly enjoy the porn. Point being, how approachable something is matters a lot and is a good metric for how much effort you need to engage with the medium. Porn games being such a niche in popularity is enough evidence that at the very least they require more than rotting your brain out watching disgusting 3DPD in disgusting plots and in disgusting contexts.
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>>1604836 >Not even from the effort to develop, there's the effort to consume as well. The barest of bare degenerate games at least stimulate your mind at least a little bit, have you rub your neurons for the creativity part of your brain to truly enjoy the porn. Even in that area i've seen such low effort garbage you could barely call them games. if you're looking to get your fix you probably don't want too much in the way depending on how deep you are into the hole. here's something awful i'm going to say. if you want your porn just leave it to ai to do it all. afterall most just want their mindless fix and who cares if there's basically no human input? fucking people want fast food, they want mcdonalds.
>>1604840 Don't use any platforms without encryption, there is your starting point.
>>1604693 >>1604723 Nigger they'll becoming for other shit next even the more hardline bible types are slowly understanding this.
>>1604693 How much did the CIA pay you to write this one faggot?
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>>1604865 I literally said that, this is a matter of realizing we're fucked either way and to take the Good with the bad >>1604886 how about you fucking sit and spin nigger?
Dunno if this is related, considering now that the UK Child Safety Act got roped into this dumpster fire of a sticky, but Death Stranding 2's graphics are so good UK citizens have been using them to bypass British age verification and face ID laws by taking in-game photos of Norman Reedus's face https://archive.fo/siPZz Discuss.
>>1604902 >stop taking action, don't defend yourself How about you suck my dick troon? You don't sound nearly as clever as you think you do.
non-niggerpill posts have been restored. I recommend only reporting shit that are actually rule-breaking or is from a known schizo, else some other moderator will delete them and I have to restore them
>>1604807 >>1604811 The first 2 articles (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34723731/ and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34723731/) says there is a positive relation between QPU (quantity of porn use) and PPU (problematic pornography use) and explores the factors that affect it. off course it does, an porn addict will obviously use more porn than average. Article 1 does say that 16.6% of the participants are at high risk of PPU when using the BPS measure, but it also says that false positives might be more numerous than with other measures. article 3 and 4 (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38026725/ and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26803060/) talks about the consequences of PPU but does not talk about how common PPU is. To start worrying me, you gotta find a article that explicitly shows that a high percent of porn comsumers are PPUs. But thats not even the main problem of this discussion, the main problem is that if you give the corpos a inch (censor only porn), they will take over a mile (censor all fictional crimes).
>>1604931 Fair enough, i don't like showing up to things without ample evidence but it is at least SOMETHING related to what we already know, we just don't have the "science" to back it up yet and yes i'm aware of how overreach works, i'm simply baffled on how to combat this shit by itself.
>>1604937 >yes i'm aware of how overreach works, i'm simply baffled on how to combat this shit by itself. If you believe in freedom, stop begging for a leash. The first thing you could do is stop groveling to Big Daddy government and its corpo sleazeball buddies to regulate everything you don't personally like. If you actually believe in personal responsibility and the right to bear arms, then guess what? That same principle applies to everything else (especially speech, expression, and art). You can't champion the right to walk around with whatever weapon you choose, then turn around and throw a fit because someone owns a book full of big titty anime girls getting railed by tentacle monsters. That’s called being a hypocrite. It’s none of your business, and it sure as hell isn’t the government’s. The only people who should be involved are the creators, the fans, and maybe the pirates archiving it all so future generations can remember what creative freedom used to look like. Freedom means letting people do shit you don’t personally approve of. Otherwise, you’re not asking for liberty—you’re asking for a muzzle you think you control. Spoiler: you don’t. Rule yourself, or be ruled. That’s the deal.
>>1604995 Ah, but to what degree would you extend this? if research came out showing pornography is as addictive as crack, would you say the same? are you all for people debasing themselves with every type of drug imaginable? or do you perhaps realize those things are illegal for a reason?
>>1604995 Is there a difference when someone goes around flaunting their faggotry bare faced in front of everyone where it's suddenly everyone's problem? Or is that covered under the idea of the NAP?
>>1605043 This as well, i'm fucking sick and tired of seeing barely disguised porn in youtube thumbnails, if you have no concern for this as a public health crisis for CHILDREN let alone everyone, you're a sick nigger apathy is worse then death, remember that.
>>1605046 The problem is that I don't want the government dictating what's appropriate or not, let alone some corporate suit.
>>1605067 Should we just start killing CEO's again then until shit gets better?
>>1605046 I'm sick of it too. The problem is that centralized social media is forcing all the adults and all the kids into the same space. It's doomed to go wrong. I don't think there's anything that can be directly done right now though except shaming parents who do let their kids on youtube. It should be seen the same way leaving a kid alone downtown is.
>>1605003 >>1605043 We shouldn't ban relatively benign things just because some people can’t handle it. If the vast majority of people can coexist with alcohol, cigarettes, prescription drugs and hell, even gambling without spiraling out, then they can handle other “vices” too. The drug war has always been a bad joke dressed up as public safety. It’s never been about harm reduction it’s about control. (This isn't the thread to discuss the failed war on drugs). I’m not here to argue that all drugs are good or harmless. Like anything, they can be abused. And yes, some people are prone to going overboard. But here’s the truth: we don’t build a society around the weakest links. You don’t get to hand over everyone’s freedom just because a minority can’t moderate themselves. Apply the same logic to video games. Every now and then, a study pops up claiming games are addictive or cause violence in a tiny percentage of players. Should we burn the whole game industry down because of that? Millions play games daily without committing any crimes, and most lead normal lives. The answer isn’t regulation. The answer is personal responsibility, basic consumer protections, and the right to own what you buy. end of story. You don’t need the government or some corrupt corporate moralist babysitting your entertainment, or your hobbies...Do you? Freedom doesn't mean safety, If you’re scared that you or someone else can’t handle something without spiraling into self-destruction, that’s your burden to carry. You don’t get to dictate how the rest of us live just because you can’t trust yourself. If your instinct is to beg for bans and restrictions every time you feel weak, maybe the problem isn’t the thing, maybe it’s (you).
>>1605082 >The answer isn’t regulation. The answer is personal responsibility, basic consumer protections, and the right to own what you buy. end of story. You don’t need the government or some corrupt corporate moralist babysitting your entertainment, or your hobbies...Do you? Do you not care that others harm their minds and souls? this is going to head back into theological territory real quick so just be prepared for that.
>xitter blocks porn for everyone in the eu now ugh
>Do you not care that others harm their minds and souls? this is going to head back into theological territory real quick so just be prepared for that. How about you stop derailing the discussion? If I thought a hentai book was stealing souls or corrupting minds, I’d say that. But I didn’t because that’s not the point. And if some pixels on a screen or ink on a page are enough to pull you away from God’s light, then you’ve got deeper problems than any government or corporate stooge can fix. Also, I must’ve missed the verse where Scripture says the state and corporations are ordained by God to regulate video games and anime. So please if you’ve got chapter and verse, lay it on me. Otherwise, you’re just weaponizing religion the same way lazy feminists misuse junk science. twisting it into a bludgeon to control what other people see, do, and enjoy. That’s not morality. That’s authoritarian cosplay.
>>1605096 >Do you not care that others harm their minds and souls? No I don't give a shit. Actually I hope they go to hell.
>>1605096 Is locking someone in a padded cage going to protect their soul? Freedom is important for spiritual development, even if it means they make the wrong choices sometimes.
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>>1605132 I genuinely think some people are so far deep into the rabbit hole they do need God's help, and they need prayed for because their eyes are covered, no i don't have a scripture verse for it but if you saw a family member or loved one being ensnared by that shit wouldn't you be bothered? >>1605155 poo poo to you >>1605172 While i do agree we should let people mistakes, for how long? nobody truly knows when they're gonna get taken, and it's sad to think someone could spend YEARS before they seek God from their depravity.
>>1605176 you're still missing the point. Yes, people struggle. Yes, some fall into things you don’t like or understand. But what you’re advocating for isn't compassion or faith it’s control. You want the power to decide what others can or can’t access because you believe you know better. That’s not righteousness. That’s fear masquerading as virtue. You admit you don’t have a scripture verse, and that’s important because you’re not standing on God's Word. You're standing on your feelings, and then trying to legislate those feelings into everyone else’s life. If someone spends years lost, that’s between them and God not you, not me, and sure as hell not the government. What you’re calling “ensnared” might just be someone exploring art, fantasy, or things you don’t personally enjoy. And if someone eventually turns to God, great. But they won’t get there faster by being shamed, censored, or coerced. Faith doesn’t come from force. So again: This isn’t about saving souls. This is about pretending your discomfort gives you the right to control other people. And it doesn’t.
>>1605196 >This isn’t about saving souls. This is about pretending your discomfort gives you the right to control other people. Do not ever presume what my intentions are with my post anon, you make yourself a fool with that. >what i might call being ensnared might be yadda yadda yeah dude, knowing people who are deep into furry porn that turns them gay sure is just exploring Don't tell me what i know is wrong do you REALLY want me to bring out the verses condemning sexual immorality?
>>1605120 elon did it in the most halfassed way though you can just change your country to japan or something in the settings
>>1605069 there's unironically no other effective way to make change at this rate they silence any opposition, tear up any petition, and bury any writings that calls them out or calls justice there's no room for bargains or diplomacy, they enforce their ways whether you like it or not >>1604918 suppose you can use AI for this too? imagine that's gonna get banned real quick
>>1605206 Nice dodge, but you still haven’t addressed the core issue You’re not just condemning something personally, you want to control what other people can access, experience, or create. That’s authoritarian, full stop. You’re ranting about “furry porn turning people gay” like it’s some divine plague, when in reality, what you’re describing is people who were already mentally ill finding something to latch onto. We've heard the same arguments about School shooters that had access to violent video games. Somebody who's mentally Disturbed doesn't need an excuse to act out. furry porn doesn't turn people gay. If they go on and do gay stuff then they were already gay to begin with. If you're saying drawings have the power to make people gay then wouldn't that mean they also have the power to make people straight? And if you believe that's the case then shouldn't you just be advocating for straight furry porn? (That is if you actually wanted to "save" people from being gay furries) You say “don’t tell me what I know is wrong.” Okay, but you don’t get to turn your personal hang-ups into public policy. That’s the whole point. You’re free to abstain. You’re free to believe it’s immoral. But the second you start calling for suppression or censorship, you’ve left morality and entered control-freak territory. As for scripture? Sure, the Bible talks about sexual immorality, but it also warns against hypocrisy, judgment, and trying to play God with other people’s lives. You don’t get to quote one verse while ignoring the entire book’s message about grace, freedom of conscience, and personal responsibility. So again: Your personal convictions? Fine. Your desire to rule over others because of them? Not fine.
I thought we were in a Brave New World dystopia- a dystopia, yes, but one where comforts are provided and the consumer would be strung along. I did not expect attempts to shift what falls under the definition of comfort.
>>1605222 These people are unironically the sort of people that don't deserve any sort of freedom. And these days everyone is so much thickskulled that they'll genuienly believe everything they do and never change their opinion in an argument. Bassically. Fuck that guy, he's a guy enclosed by his own morals which control him more then he does himself
>>1605312 The world government looked at Brave New World and 1984 and thought "golly gee willickers, why do I have to choose between them"?
>>1605316 Were getting the worst of both worlds, with a little bit of Cyberpunk dystopia thrown in for good measure, just without the aesthetics or advanced technology. Basically, as other Anons have said, we're in the worst kind of dystopia, a boring one.
>>1605381 The only thing niggerpill ever gets right is needing to be plaped and pregnant... That's why she's always trying to get our attention with her doomer shtick... lel
>>1605396 >Somebody watched Eva and took it way too literally. So you're just a shinji after getting browbeat and then you went full doomer fag? (That's pretty gay)
Puritan retards seem to exist in the left, right and centre from this whole mess.
>>1605450 People wanting to police other people for ideological means is a politically neutral stance, because the accumulation of power is something every ideology craves.
People wanting to morality police others have existed for millennia. The first Roman Emperor, Augustus, also tried to outlaw moral degeneracy, because he saw that as people became wealthier, they produced fewer children, which meant fewer future soldiers(funny how back then it was because people were too wealthy and now it's "because" they are too poor). So he made a series of laws, to punish those who had sex outside of marriage, as well as give people money for couples who had kids, a thing Hitler also tried. All of those policies failed, a combination of them being unpopular with the general public, lax enforcement on those rules, and the fact that the imperial family were a bunch of hedonists, including Augustus. He was also not the last one to try that, as there had been a few other emperors who tired to do it "because this time it will certainly work", like Constantine, but all of them failed. Most people who want porn games to be banned, because it's destroying the fabric of society or corrupt the youth, are the same type of people who tried to ban alcohol in America, because it was destroying the fabric of society and corrupting the youth. It failed then, and it's not like the government wasn't trying it hardest as they were even putting poison in alcohol just to kill people who dared drink alcohol, so they were trying their best, and still failed. Same with the war on drugs, which America lost the war, banning of violent videogames like Mortal Kombat, for corrupting the youth, alongside satanic practices like Dungeons and Dragons Second Edition, and now we have reached porn games.
>>1605265 I dont believe this, the USA is on the brink of collapse and the next president is probably Hunter Biden. If anything i see the USA become the new weimar where mothers pimp their infants for a loaf of bread, with Europe following suit but on the last moment they will beg Russia/China for help and get turned into a more liberal CCP. The entire power dynamic is gonna change so what the future will hold is rather unknown. Those same puritans who are screaming for censorship will be selling their bodys or to busy to defend their gated communities from hordes of beaners. Politicians and Black Rock likes are losing power in a rapid pace, so either its gonna be Brave New World or Mad Max.
>>1605493 >next president is probably Hunter Biden Stopped reading there. Nobody believes this, not even the democrats. At least go with "safer" choices like AOC if you want to make outlandish predictions.
>>1605493 To add to this we have a shit load of content out there even if there is not a single game or movie made anymore, there is more than enough to consume for 3 lifetimes. Second there will always be naughty stuff for sale, even incurrent mainland China there is a hentai and porn industry. And i love to see the ecchi industrie not being mainstream anymore
>>1605499 AOC has lost her chance in the past month, prepare to eat your words. Hunter is slowly pushed forward and will be used as the common ex druggie who knows your struggles and the left loonies will eat him up.
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NOBODY ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT SOCIETAL HEALTH, NORMALFAGS ARE PROVABLY COMPLACENT SUBHUMANS UNABLE TO BE INFLUENCED IN ANY MEANINGFUL MANNER BY ANYONE WHO ISN'T FUCKOFF RICH OR WILLING TO SUCK YOUTUBE COCK NOBODY ON THE STREET GENUINELY CARES ABOUT LITTLE TIMMY DEVELOPING A PORN ADDICTION - ALL THEY CARE ABOUT IS WHETHER THEY LOSE THEIR JOB CALLING HIM OUT WHEN HE BECOMES A TRANNY LATER FAGGOTS ARE BANNING SHIT I WANT TO FAP TO =NIGGERS ARE GETTING GAMES I'M INTERESTED IN TAKEN OFF THE SHELVES AND MAKING IT A PAIN IN THE ASS TO FIND THEM I DON'T CARE WHO'S BEHIND IT, THE KIKES OR ANY STRIPE OF SHABBOS GOY, AS LONG AS THEY ALL EAT SHIT AND DIE AND LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE TO WITHDRAW AND ENJOY SHIT IN PEACE= =AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>1605548 No bro you dont get it: if you're passionated about particular arguments instead of consuming goyslop, then, you must be some low functional autistic sperg (bad)
>>1605206 >Do not ever presume what my intentions are with my post anon, you make yourself a fool with that. like you havent being doing assumptions yourself. Everybody process porn differently but you claim you understand how everyone reacts to it by generalizing and paint evryone with the same stroke while claiming you should control they access to porn or not. THATS ARROGANCE
>>1605477 >Most people who want porn games to be banned, because it's destroying the fabric of society or corrupt the youth Were categorically correct, as evidenced by the the past 20 years though all this shit started way earlier than that It culminated in mainstream media unironically prompting chopping off the dicks of children and pumping them full of drugs and at least half the country either agreeing or saying nothing. This was the natural conclusion of liberalism, and yet you want to go back to 2009 as if that didn't directly lead to the past two decades of identity politics, gender ideology, Diversity mandates, everything that's been making society shit. You want to take the liberalisim The problem is that the slippery slope is real and consistently occurs in real life. Behaviors have momentum, and just because everyone who engages in these behaviors doesn't immediately become aids-ridden gay trannies doesn't change the fact that society as a whole moved towards gay pozzed trannydom as a direct consequence of them. And of course, its only a matter of time before people start censoring misgendering and microagression, because if their personal autonomy is the height of morality then why shouldn't they use that autonomy to impose their will on others? Transgenderism in particular is the logical conclusion of the sexual revolution, the same one that made the porn you defend mainstream. But you don't want to admit all this. <just rule yourself Yeah, cause that worked out so well. Its not like we had people getting their kids to dance half naked in pride-parades or anything. As mentioned, this all stem from the misconception that just because you personally can wack off to porn supposedly without it impacting your overall mental health, that it is "relatively benign" for society at large. Its clearly not. <its just the government-funded tranny propaganda that made all this trannyshit happen Almost as if the media society consumes on average has an overall effect on that society or something. Wow. <Just take away the tax-payer funding of this stuff and society will go back to normal Sounds like cancel-culture censorship to me anon, but this goes to show the other problem with lolbertarianism; that so long as >we keep goberment small and don't interfer, that no one else will be able to worm their way into power and use it to enforce shit that's actually bad for society, such as chopping off the dicks of children. History has shown that is unequivocally false. Its a utopian ideology, much like communism is ironically enough. It would work great in a world where human nature was reliable, but in the real world not so much. But the biggest problem is that, at the end of the day, you'd be fine with everything that has happened the past 20 years so long as it was "consensual". .
>>1605616 >(1) This is getting comedical
>>1605623 Flawless rebuttal.
>>1605700 Honestly I don't need to. You are clearly prancing aboit bullshit.
>>1605616 And as society we are condemning kids at pride events and decided that's not okay and most of us stopped doing that safe from some insane liberals, the same with dick cutting trannies. We as a society are flawed but we learn along the way.It was like that in the age f the puritans when we decided that we need some better pastime than witch burning and it is the same now.
>>1605730 >when we decided that we need some better pastime than witch burning and it is the same now. How about returning to lynching? It'd take that more then your moral superiority complex.
>>1605206 >furry porn turning people gay If you genuinely believe this kind of infohazard exists, why aren't you searching for porn that turns people straight and other such counter-hazards, instead of going on obscure sites to demand powers no one in the audience could ever bestow upon you? >>1605616 >actually, Meet'n Fuck Kingdom is what led to the self-id craze of which trannies are only the tip of the iceberg You wrote too many words for this to be trolling, please stop and reconsider your life choices. And no, you didn't use a chatbot either.
>>1605502 >>1605493 Hunter will 100$ be the next president. Trump and the right have basically lost all credibility which leaves Dems the opportunity to take back over, and enfore trans rights and hate speech laws. Be careful y'all, because Hunter's gonna...... hunt us down *badum tssss*
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The entire world seems to be heading towards a South Korea like situation with people just not breeding and gender/intergenerational conflicts. I just want to see what happens when populations without a substantial young/working age population are fucked over by an actual adversary, and, you know, what civilizational collapse with trannies and fags would look like. I don't think South Korea's stalemate with North Korea is ever going to change in our lifetimes. Japan is isolated and China can probably just force their way out of it because they aren't bound by "ethics". I think the first round of ceding territories in the developed world might be happening in Europe, with Muslims, Slavs and Africans.
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>>1605782 >he thinks that was a joke >he thinks that was a jab at racists >Inb4 I'm a fed Fuck glowniggers, I despise them so much that I'd rather vipe my ass with their clothes. Or just straight up shit down their throats. Just like I'd shit down your throat.
>>1605785 It won't because we are such an incompetent species that we will blow ourselves up
>>1605793 Is this just niggerpill?
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>>1605775 >right takes power >does not fix the economy or deport shitskins like they said they would >instead uses "think of the children" to unleash first wave internet ID laws in perfect sync with other ZOG nations >next election cycle they will pass the baton back to dems so they can attach social credit scores and gestapo political dissent >right will huff and puff about that as if it wasn't the plan all along and people will just vooote for them instead of revolting >when right gets the baton again they won't do anything about the social credit system like they said they would, will do something else instead I HATE POLITICAL THEATER
Trying something new by doubleposting on one ID at a time before immediately changing so you're technically not a (1), Niggerpill?
Niggerpill just responded to my post five different times with different IDs, saying almost the exact same thing in each post?
This is kinda sad and funny
What even triggered niggerpill this much today? Was it really that woke based jeans commercial?
>>1605775 If he doesn't win, you're gonna owe us $100.
>>1605802 You could argue it is revolting...wink...wink. But yeah i couldn't vote for Trump because i am a Europe swamp nigger but i probably would have only to be rug pulled i really hope the USA goes the Atlantis way, there is nothing worth saving. >>1605781 Europe is fucked and heading to a civil war. There is gonna be rivers of blood in the cities a full-blown war between immigrants and natives. But i will browsing my hentai and fapping to cunny whatever happens.
>>1605945 >>1605956 >>1605958 Niggerpill, if you want to kill yourself because an actress likes the sexy leotard skin and you saw it on your feed, go right ahead.
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>>1605956 I think it is the same for everyone in government, they are all compromised. Thats why we need to reach out to tribalism, only your direct surrounding and close relatives matter all others can burn. >>1605945 Leave your fungal ridden shed and find a nice tree, i will never give up and never go down.
>>1605803 >>1605821 >>1605810 >>1605809 >>1605806 If it's so bad why don't you just kill yourself
>>1605616 >How to tell someone knows nothing about libertarians Cuckchan is triggered by 8ch users being libertarian.
>>1605616 >The anti lolberg fag is back to sperg out 2025 really is a treat.
>>1605939 >Europe is fucked and heading to a civil war. There is gonna be rivers of blood in the cities a full-blown war between immigrants and natives. Holy shit is it ever. Britain is close to the tipping point in particular.
>>1606061 It'd be funny if videgrad group was left out of this
Is animeland doing anything to protect its vidya industry?
>>1606061 What are you brits planning to fight with, bare knuckles or compostable sporks?
>>1605791 >vipe
>>1606383 Well they certainly seem more aware of things now at least
>>1598702 itch.io has delisted all adult games and is deleting some games They are still accessible through direct links. It says they are also deleting a lot of games. I don't know how many games are being deleted. Example of a delisted but still existant game: https://thearcadean.itch.io/corrupted-kingdoms I've been playing it a lot the last days. Pretty good game. It's free. It has also already been denied service by Patreon which didn't like that there were children in non-sexual situations in the game. If it wasn't for that they would have found other reasons. For example that the protagonist uses brainwashing which does not align with the consent bullshit the jews are now pushing. For example, you can't type "hypno" into Pornhub anymore without getting the "rapist screen". This is a larger thing in recent times. Not just Visa and Mastercard. ALL JEWS. That why we build the camps. https://55games.itch.io/justsex This can be nice for fapping on mobile. It's like a lightweight HoneySelect. Many animations are still missing but it's free and fundamentally works.
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>>1605132 >Also, I must’ve missed the verse where Scripture says the state and corporations are ordained by God to regulate video games and anime. So please if you’ve got chapter and verse, lay it on me. Well, there IS a scripture on being obedient to the authorities (romans 13) within reason, the argument being that God himself has ordained them as sort of peacekeepers to keep society from falling into anarchy. Of course the problem lies in the fact that they've violated that pact by being immoral scumbags who don't enforce the law equally. Instead of punishing the wicked and protecting the righteous, they're guilty of accepting bribes and letting corporations do whatever they want, without any punishment. Copyright law is the biggest offender here, where corporations can quite literally steal from people, and then tie them up in litigation until they go bankrupt, thereby punishing the righteous and rewarding the wicked because they have more money. It's an interesting theological discussion, but it might not be very relevant here. So I'll stop there.
>>1606875 I would rather trust a Discord user handling my personal info properly before I'd ever trust a billionaire/capitalist/corporation with it.
>>1606916 I want to respect this new form of libertarian Christianity people are pushing but on the whole I feel like the vast majority of Christians in the US are pro censorship and approaching it from this angle adds to their numbers basically.
>>1606972 If we're really going there, christians aren't supposed to be part of the world at all, and lobbying for laws and censorship is going against what they're instructed to do. So this comes down to a case of fair weather christians who've probably never read a single page of the bible, and just hopped on the bandwagon for brownie points.
>>1606982 >So this comes down to a case of fair weather christians who've probably never read a single page of the bible, and just hopped on the bandwagon for brownie points. Yeah that's the vast majority here lol I'm seeing way too much "not real Christian" posting, sure ok but those are the ones that have the power. And they'd probably turn around and tell you >Only God knows what is written in my heart, it's not your place to judge Anyway sorry I really don't like this kind of stuff being pushed I don't think religion is the right way but I'll let it go now
>>1606996 Don't get me wrong. You and me are on the same page here. Any censorship is disgusting, no justification or moral busybody can argue in favor of it. It's solely a power grab by corporates, using christians and feminism and politics as a cover.
https://xcancel.com/gelbooru/status/1948878208172192173 https://archive.ph/DyHvY https://archive.ph/UhNJw The admin of Gelbooru just posted a list of things that must be banned if he wants to continue doing business with payment processors. According to him, it's not even an all-inclusive list. >>1599180 >>1599282 F95 recently changed their ToS to ban everything related to loli and shota, amongst other things. https://archive.ph/m7olv >>1599291 >Archive.org I'm also curious about this.
>>1606982 >christians aren't supposed to be part of the world at all >and lobbying for laws and censorship is going against what they're instructed to do. That's not what those verses mean. It's baffling that you came up with that conclusion.
>>1607216 Shota and loli are still on f95 just fine though?
>>1605176 >moralfag weebs Y'all are going to be next on the chopping block and I can't wait for the day No Fun Allowed posters persecute you. >tranime is causing people to become trannies >lolicon is pedophilia >fucking PEDO ISLAND Japanese HENTAI is corrupting our YOUTH >let's ban it
>>1607242 >tranime is causing people to become trannies Literally every single piece of scientific data on neurochemistry has shown that pornography viewing causes direct support for queers and trannies. Try again with something believable.
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>>1606875 Imagine if Tea was a puppet company secretly owned or having connections to China or Russia in order to get women to post their location, hopefully looking to find geographic secrets. Pretty damn funny that the Orwellian approach could destabilize the government.
>>1607216 What does Gelbooru use payment processors for? Are they saying they'll cut off website domain payments?
>>1607216 >violence >asphyxiation I thought Colors! 3D had the most strict censorship ever, but this comes close. I think all these pro-censorship people are going to find out the painful way how futile it is to get between the chronically lonely/depraved and their one final cope (assuming they are in an area where prostitution is banned): pornography. There is nothing anyone anywhere can do about porn on the internet, not in a trillion years.
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>>1607427 This. If it comes down to it I'll be mailing people cash sealed in envelopes with letters telling them to "send me the goods".
>>1607275 And anime contains lots of porn.
>>1607275 Anime/manga and otaku subculture existed for decades before trannies were even a thing. When trannyism exploded in the mid 2010s, it affected virtually every single space and community heavily populated by autistic geeky nerd types, not just anime. Besides, it's stupid on its face to claim that admiring a nice set of boobs or buttocks, anime or otherwise, magically makes you want to cut your dick off. That flies in the face of common sense and hundreds of years of precedent.
>just use a VPN >just use AI This stuff will catch up with moralfags eventually and the fact they mention this shows their hand: they expect they'll get to have their fun in private through a VPN and AI while normalfags have to give ID verification and sites are getting blocked in countries. The moralfags think they can eat their cake and have it too and that is why they go on moralfagging, thinking there'll still be leftovers and only the unwashed masses will have to tidy up while they enjoy these fruits in private. Ideally, if degen crap could be banned in public but kept fully in private, but mark my words moralfags are going to flip when it comes to the point they realize they cannot do this in private. Total prude death
I propose we make each and every single moralfag a public-use onahole instead since we can't jack off to porn anymore
>>1607567 It's mostly because people using "tranime" unironically, weren't born until the mid 2010s.
>>1607729 >people
>>1607567 >>1607729 It's a bunch of little barely past sperm cells who look at the old days of Anons making fun of wapanese faggots back in 2008-2012 without the context behind it so their Gen Alpha monkey brains just thinks it's "Anime bad" and go from there.
>>1607235 That's why I said "inconsistently banned if they don't like it" over at >>1599282 - the policy is used more as a weapon by mods with a bug up their nigger ass.
>>1607584 I've seen a lot of people pointing out that you can use cartoon/video game characters to bypass the check in Europe and UK, which means the AI is probably going to be deployed on anime and video games as well. So even if your character in the game is 18+, the credit card company will say >Our AI says she looks 16, ADD THE NASOLABIAL LINES NOW
How can there be people who genuinely think that anime causes you to transition? This is just stupid.
>>1608191 It's stupid. I watched Ranma 1/2 as a kid and used to pretend I could turn into a girl but I'm still a man and know I'm a man and I have no desire to change that. Fantasy will never be reality.
>>1608198 I have a friend that was manipulated to think he is trans because of something similar by his tranny "friend" and of course his retard psychiatrist
>>1608199 And no i'm not claiming anime did anything just that it can be used by sick fucks into manipulating others views
Remember when SJW's where the ones pushing for censorship and siding with corporations, when everyone normal called them useful idiots and told them that corporations are NOT their fucking friends? It appears rightoids are doing this too. Some could be Shartyfags: Newfag zoomers who want to mimic certain subcultures without truly understanding them. Only a huge newfag could celebrate censorship while posting in an imageboard site of all places. But if anyone going "based companies, fuck those gooners" was present during Gamergate: You're a huge fucking faggot and also still getting fucked. First, you forgot your goal was "make sure SJW's don't censor Japanese games" and chances are your interest in politics started in 2014 anyway. You forgot that in favor of "owning my enemy". Second, if these corporations get rid of porn on the internet, you think they won't go after you too? Think of all of these companies that love acting woke to pander to SJW's: You think they won't go after edgyfags shouting the word "nigger" and are even pro-Trump, in an age where celebrities and companies shit on Trump for the sake of good PR image? You're in the chopping block too, retard. Keep telling troons "you lost to this" all you want: You lost too. A world without pornography is also a world without anyone acting edgy online and saying words like "nigger" or "faggot". You built your own grave and even fell in the same fucking traps as the SJW's from a decade ago: You BECAME the SJW and ended up proving centristfags a fucking point. If you're ever gonna get upset that you can't say "nigger" online anymore, you made your own bed. Turns out nobody loves their Jewish masters more than rightoids. Nobody has principles anymore which I guess is what happens when you treat politics as a "have to be left or right" thing to begin with. Fascinating that people online want to pretend Gamergate never happened when it might as well be a key element to our current situation. No fucking wonder people love remakes nowadays: They love rewriting history more than revisiting it. Nigger cattle, even "nigger haters".
>>1608198 >>1608199 My theory for trannies among weeb communities is because a large portion of leftoids are victims of Troll's Remorse. So they got into retarded gender politics to "grow up" (Another factor to troll's remorse is the internet becoming more widespread and used by normies; Leftyfags worry too much about what normies think of them, hence meme phrases like "having a normal one?"). They went from "anime is cancer, 2 nukes not enough" to either: >This anime is good but the creepy gooner lolishit can go >This anime is why I'm trans Or >Japan is exist, look up women only trains and Junko Furuta Another good example is how they talk about furries, going from: >YIFF IN HELL FURGAGS To pretending furries are an inherent LGBT culture piece. Otherwise, they could still be against furries but with a narrative of: >Chuds are so racist, they would rather fuck animals than a black woman Politics are "big boy topics" and are the first thing someone latches on, if they want to look mature online. Even though goons from SomethingAwful are still failed manchildren part of the Millenial sect that uses terms like "adulting". This is also why "media literacy" exists: Suddenly in like 2018 or whatever do people worry about the "true message" of Gundam or MGS or whatever. When people in their 30's were already into those at that age beforehand and weren't whining about people "not getting it".
>>1608230 There is a reason i detached myself, left,center,right and all their ideologies are worthless to me. I just want my vidyas to be free,my animes to be free,my anonymity to be there
>>1608250 >>1608230 Also to clarify: I don't give a shit if you go "I FUCKING HATE NIGGERS". You deserve to say whatever you want under free speech. My point was: If one does that and still goes "so glad porn is getting banned just to see those troons seethe", then that kind of guy deserves to get fucked for what still counts as a kind of hypocrisy. Because a lot of arguements in favor of censorship revolve around "normalcy": If normies feel alienated by a Playboy magazine or a drawing of an anime girl, they would feel the same at racism too. We're in a website that allows so many things that are otherwise "nono" elsewhere.
>>1607500 I'm going to mail XRP and BTC at the local post office.
>>1608093 Steam's already kinda been doing that already. Nintendo, too.
>>1608517 When are we banning short people and flat chested woman irl
>>1607567 Troons infected everything was one of the worst things to happen in recent history. >>1608249 The trend of people becoming sjws with more recently tradlarpers and centrists, is pretty much Troll's Remorse to the T.
>>1608230 >useful idiots No, anon. SJWs do genuinely want that content to be destroyed, they're not useful idiots, they're fully aligned with the program. Actually, everyone wants to destroy their opposition's entire ideals and ban them, it's a simple tactic to curb their growth and secure power. No opposition if you destroy its roots, right? You'll notice this trend in varying degrees in pretty much... all philosophies and groups, really. It takes real effort to allow your opposition the chance to grow by itself, an intellectual humility that most people simply cannot reach because they're literally too dumb to envision a world where they're wrong to then outgrow it. Still, what you SHOULD be pointing out is how the narrative push that brought all of this in into attention was unnatural as fuck, and obviously concerted to cause strife between people while your money is whisked away. That's the real goal of this shit, to keep all sides distracted and figuratively on each others throats.
>>1608524 I heard that women under the height of consent are already banned in australia.
>>1608523 >everyone I don't like is a chud
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>>1608230 When the left held all the cultural power, it was them who were instigating most of the censorship. Now that the pendulum is starting to swing, you're going to be seeing a lot more right wing pushes for censorship, and they're going to use the exact same moralizing argumentation that the left uses. People are already starting to defend Nazi bookburnings because the books they burned were "degenerate". That's going to be the stance a lot of right wingers take towards censorship moving forward, state-sponsored or otherwise. Just look at how vehemently opposed they are towards lolis, for example. >>1608587 This is also correct. Divide and conquer has been used to control people since classical antiquity.
>>1608729 >People are already starting to defend Nazi bookburnings because the books they burned were "degenerate" Please don't tell me we're going to have to defend trannies "in the name of freedom, bro."
>>1608858 I'm afraid we might. I hate NTRfags and I wish they would die, but the government wants to do it in a really gay manner that I don't agree with. And if there's one thing that I hate more than cuck porn is government overreach.
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>>1608858 Hating trannies is fine. Thinking they (or anyone) should be censored is not. I think everyone is entitled to free speech, and I oppose all forms of censorship or any other attempt to silence anyone for exercising their right to freedom of expression. I'm just aware that both sides are willing to support censorship when it helps fulfill their goals, and anyone who truly supports free speech needs to be made acutely aware of that fact.
>>1608888 As long as we can answer their free speech with "You will never be a real woman" and telling them how retarded chopping kid's dicks off and pumping them full of chemicals is. (and as much as censorship is gay when the US does it, I still think Hitler burning Magnus Hirschfeld's "research" was a net benefit to mankind.)
Reports are coming in that the "Fear and Hunger" games have been taken down. I just checked steam, the first one looks like it's already been delisted, I can still see the second game though. I think the game was preemptively banned or locked out from Germany and France, so it seems like this is just more of the same banwave going through everything
>>1608949 It's here for me, and I'm not in Europe and the US. Might be regional.
>>1608949 It's still up in the USA
>>1609006 >>1608958 Very strange, this morning I could only see the second game... Maybe a glitch
>>1608931 >As long as we can answer their free speech with "You will never be a real woman" and telling them how retarded chopping kid's dicks off and pumping them full of chemicals is. That is exactly the point, correct.
>>1608949 US. Still there, but is age restricted and requires login to see.
Checked the Foxdicks thread on this again and it seems like a few of them are starting to push back on the idea that loli or other taboo fiction should be banned.
>>1609353 Well that's good to see. Now if they'd only put as much effort trying to take down Collective Shout and protesting payment processors as they did spamming imageboards and bullying artist over the past several years then they could begin their redemption arc.
>>1609360 > spamming imageboards and bullying artist over the past several years Any proof that KF specifically did this? I don't recall anything like that.
>>1609382 Honestly think it's been several sub groups or autist through KF rather than KF proper. They definitely did nurse the sentiment that allowed it to fester though.
Thread is about to be locked due to post limit. Please, make a continuation thread on the issue with a well thought out OP so we can make that one cyclical while we archive this one.
New thread till shit is resolved. Cycled for now >>1609395


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