>>26728 Imagine being this rigid brained.

>>26825 No he's right. Even discounting the practical considerations of your tv and console getting damp and shorting out, there's just so many other things to do outside that playing a video game seems silly. There's a time and a place for gaming.

if someone had agp but wasn't a tranny they'd be based

>>26684 >it brings nothing to society as a whole For now, I actually agree with you. Like with all changes, it complicates things and I'm not a troon or LGBT personally so at first glance, I don't think it's important. Is it really harmful? What about the far future? I think it's a first step among many others toward introducing concepts like (you) as a person not necessarily being defined by the limitations of your physical flesh. When/If the future turns into those fictional cyberpunk dystopia scenarios, with people getting fake body parts that are indistinguishable from the real thing, the line that separate genders and the perceived associated identity could get blurred quick imo. Could take 300 years before we get there but you see the idea. Even if the tech isn't up to par today, it's not unreasonable to think about the potential implications. If you live in the west, chances are that being born male or female has little impact on what role you serve as a person in today's world or how you contribute to society, outside of your potential role in pure biological reproduction. Unless you're in a field like professional sports where it matters. Late stage capitalism and severe (((consumerism))) have made sure of that. >The whole idea was made by (((them))) There is a non-zero chance that troons and other "defects" must have existed before social media or fractional reserve banking came into existence. No one can prove that they didn't. Regardless, we live in an era where the question of their coexistence with normal people can actually be put on the table in public debate, just like with faggots were in the 70s. One thing I'll agree with you on though is that accepting those people into society instead of shunning them away is advantageous for kike elites. Simply put, it means more cheap labor/slaves in the workforce, who will keep the line going up in this fake, kike debt economy. That's the only angle I can see for why (((they))) are trying hard to push them in the media, just like they do when they push third world immigrants in the west. Oh and undermining christianity I guess, but every religion is fighting for it's part of the cake. And even the the "harm" this would cause is not really because of the troon ideology. It's adding on top of what was already there. >>26689 The thing is that both outside and inside the LGBTroon community not everyone knows what being genderfluid, trans or whatever is. All those words have different meanings and try to describe different types of human people who exist, and you can't put everything under limited umbrellas/labels which is the core argument these people are making. It sounds like a mental illness at first if you consider that they're denying "reality", but when you're intellectually honest you understand that oftentimes the "reality" invoked by normal people is based on human-made beliefs, interpretation, or tradition. Example of REALITY and FACTS >If human is born male = has a penis, XY chromosome etc Truth rooted in studied biology (and even then there are freak cases which put this into question) >If human is identifying as a man and loves/is sexually attracted to other people who are also identifying as men = is a fag Example of HUMAN CONSTRUCT >If human is born male with XY chromosome = is a human we can call "man" >If human is man = has a penis The main argument is that being a "man" has unironically nothing to do with what body part, hormones or testosterone levels you're born with. It has to do with how you act, how others perceive you, the role that other people want you to have in a given environment based on your physical characteristics and/or personality. The fact that these statements are true for the majority of people doesn't necessarily mean that they're actual fact, because there is a significant amount of people to which this simple "truth" doesn't apply. There's more to it than a human male being sterile or lacking testosterone and being physically weak/non-agressive or a female being ugly, having dried up ovaries and looking like a man. If you're religious, think of it that way. Your soul likely doesn't have a penis or vagina. Is your soul a man or a woman? Troons are fighting for one of these outcomes: >the word "man", "woman" or whatever not being tied to your physical status of being male/female >making up new terms to name whatever they're identifying with >not having any terms to begin with and just call everyone "human" The first option would be the least worst for society and the world as we know it now, because the second one arguably make it seem they're just children throwing tantrums because you're not accepting their superpower or whatever. I also agree that it could open a can of worms (i.e attack helicopter meme) and while this sounds stupid today, you never know what could happen. If the next step of humanity's evolution is to become bytes of data in VR and abandoning almost everything about the physical flesh, this could stop being a meme and become an actual POV to consider. >>26697 As with any group of people, you can see truly nefarious individuals and behaviors. I'm not saying that bad actors don't exist within the troon community. It's impossible to prove, and we all know about the cases of literal discord grooming teens through children, cases with parents irresponsibly mutilating their children "for the cause" or worse. But this argument is in my opinion rooted in bad faith, because it's not like pedophiles, criminals, child groomers and villainous beings don't exist among normal people. Think of the pedophile priest running joke or cases of parental incest involving fathers, mothers, etc. Groomers, subhumans and degenerates exist in all races and genders. In fact, certain beliefs and constructs like religion or social environment (which put people in position of power and make them avoid scrutiny) increase the rate of which these crimes take place, more so than what gender people choose to identify with. Pretending to care about children or victims of abuse when it's about troons is easy because you don't like them. It's another thing to actually think about what societal mechanisms help perpetuate said abuse of violence and the steps to do in order to fight it. Suddenly no one is stepping up because it's not an easy task. I'm not pretentious enough to know down to the exact detail nor care. >tl;dr My point is this. Tech has advanced, society has changed enough that male = man can be put into question based on what a man can and should do in the west, beyond his role in biological reproduction. The difficult part is for both troons and normal people to find labels to put on who is what, who loves who etc. And also that these people being accepted in society will make kikes happy because of more satisfied wage slaves. Still it begs the question: what if tech/science advances even further? To the point where we can replicate and replace body parts or physical characteritistics? Or what if we come to a point where humanity evolves past living through physical flesh? (becoming data in VR or the idea of "soul") Bad people exist everywhere and pointing fingers at troons for cases of child grooming or worse is in bad faith, when the same if not worse happens all the time within groups of normal people. People doing this shit don't do it necessarily because of the ideology they believe in but because of the power dynamics and environments they find themselves in which allows for some truly horrific shit to happen.

>>26842 Why should we define gender and sex differently? Because if you don't define the words man and woman by sex, what are you defining them by? The answer that trannies normally go with are traditional gender roles; sterotypes. "That girl plays with the dinosuar toys, she's a man, that boy baking, he's a woman." By taking words that are so engraned in our culture that way and defining them by sterotypes, they're in inadvertently (Or for some people intentionally) attaching moral weight to fitting in those sterotypes. I think that's a very bad thing. Anyone should be able to have any interests they want regardless of what anatomy they have. You're overlooking the elephant in the room too, because most trannies equivocate between "Man and woman are just social roles" and "Anyone who's a man and female is medically wrong and needs to transition to male or they'll be depressed forever and kill themself." If you truly want to argue that it's better that man and woman refer to only social roles, you need to aggressively push back against that motte and bailey fallacy being used to push transitioning.

>>26833 > there's just so many other things to do outside I take it you've never been camping. There's lots of down time when outdoors that you will likely spend starting at some bit of nature.

>>26674 I'm going to have to confirm that

>>26868 How would you do that?

>>26869 Me raping you after you post location

>>26881 Sorry! Not going to get that out of me!

>>26739 Not that anon, but I think kinda missing what's being stated by other anons. The reason Trannies hate AGP as fetish is because they can no longer indulge in it as a fetish anymore now that they mutualated their sex organs. The life of a tranny is a life of eternal coping with a massive revelation of regret that hit these people with a lifetime of regret much harder than they can possibly hope to be mentality stable enough for and that's why you see them desperately trying to validate themselves as females or something close to better in their minds. It's that burden of cope that causes them the lash out the way they do at all the things that reminds them they aren't women.

>>26894 >because they can no longer indulge in it as a fetish anymore now that they mutualated their sex organs. I don't know why they're so dumb or have such little impulse control to do that. There's like three possibilities for the near future. >the world ENDS and their tranny stuff becomes irrelephant >civilization ends and at which point no one is going to have time or capeability to continue with tranny stuff >those two things don't happen and technology progresses to allow people to have custom lab grown and/or cybernetic sex organs and eventually bodies and gene editing and nano technology as well Just like fucking wait a decade or so and it'll resolve one way or the other. Don't have some dark eldar-lite tier fuckers splay open your penis and lop off your balls while pumping you full of chemicals, either or both of which actions risks killing you early or causing you to rope. Just have a little fucking patients. Or as a polish half jew once put it

>>26895 >wew that thumbnail THANKS 8 CHAN

>>26896 thanks sseth

>>26847 >Why should we define gender and sex differently? Sex is binary and fixed (in most cases) while gender is not really set in stone. Depending on what society or time period you look at man and woman can mean entirely different things and there might be even other terms to describe what we call gender. >Because if you don't define the words man and woman by sex, what are you defining them by? By how they act/want to be perceived/the role they achieve in society. Traditionally-assigned western gender roles have indeed turned into stereotypes; and a non-small part of the LGBT freak community wants to get rid of them, or the labeling itself. The difficulty for society lies in labeling those social behaviors or interactions and accounting for every little unique snowflake quirk some people may have. >By taking words that are so engrained in our culture that way and defining them by stereotypes, they're in inadvertently (Or for some people intentionally) attaching moral weight to fitting in those stereotypes. I think that's a very bad thing. Anyone should be able to have any interests they want regardless of what anatomy they have. And I don't disagree with that. The problem is that I've come to learn in recent years that sex/gender identity goes deeper than simply just interests. It's not fixed in stone, think like a spectrum. (unironically like autism) Some individuals will be fine with being labelled as "a feminine man" while others might not feel being "a masculine woman" is accurate enough to define them. This would be fine and a non-issue in a society that would naturally accept the concept of "genderfluid" people. People will still be people and need to put names on concepts, behaviors, etc. Getting rid of gender labels, roles and stereotypes is one of the objectives fueling the LGBT movement. Most people are like that. It's easier on the mind and more importantly the movement isn't born in a vacuum. There is a world of tradition and routine to get rid of. Old habits die hard, same with mental biases. >If you truly want to argue that it's better that man and woman refer to only social roles, you need to aggressively push back against that motte and bailey fallacy being used to push transitioning. I agree. I'm against the idea of transitioning because I'm against the irresponsible, immature mutilation and self-harm that's being currently promoted by degenrate troon cultists. With our current tech levels I think it's really ill-advised. Ideally, you wouldn't need to transition or "to pass" as they would put it. But we're still in a world bound by the physical flesh. We still have to wear clothes, play the social interaction game. We still have to create our mental labels to define things. I think the core desire of the troon community and other freaks of nature is to have less rigidity in that regard so it can make their lives easier. In their eyes, what should matter for everyone is the "me" inside instead of what they have or what they look like. Which sounds gay and naive to me, but somewhat human. Once I started thinking from that POV I started to hate them less. They cause way less harm and are less hypocrite than actual inhumane kikes in the elite like Elon Musk, big pharma, Monsanto and the FED who is serving corporate interests first so I don't understand why anyone would call troons the enemy when there are more obvious, bigger and direct threats to our way of life or culture that run rampant because they are "normal" compared to faggots and troons.

>>26927 >Depending on what society or time period you look at man and woman can mean entirely different things This is absolutely false. Across all cultures, man means you have a penis, woman means you have a vagina.

>>26927 >The problem is that I've come to learn in recent years that sex/gender identity goes deeper than simply just interests. We've all learned since we were children that identity goes deeper than simply just interests. There's no reason to track gender as a thing separate from sex when we already have words to describe personalities without invoking gender. Gender isn't a spectrum, and neither is autism, stereotypically feminine and stereotypically masculine traits are all indepentant traits with loose or no correlation with each other. >Getting rid of gender labels, roles and stereotypes is one of the objectives fueling the LGBT movement. If it is, they're doing a terrible job at it. A lot of what trannies do reinforces those stereotypes. They talk about "performing femininity" because they all think you're not really a woman if you don't perform the role of stereotypically women. The way they explain their ideology to kids with "the gender bread person" and "the gender unicorn" show how their beliefs reinforce gender labels rather than weakening them. >I agree. I'm against the idea of transitioning because I'm against the irresponsible, immature mutilation and self-harm that's being currently promoted by degenrate troon cultists. Yeah, it's horrifying. Sooner or later even the troons are going to wake up and look at these practices like we did lobotomies. It just doesn't work, and there's so many horror stories, like that boy who went on puberty blockers, and didn't grow large enough of a cock to get a neo vagina so the doctors used tissue from his lower intestine. It's terrible, but they're all too scared to call out people on "their side" even when those people are making things much worse for them. Because of that cult mentality they're plagued by so many grifters, it's hard to tell what the people who actually care believe. You can't blanket defend them until they get their worst elements under control because the average tranny is supporting and defending those worst elements. I disagree that they cause less harm than enemies in high places. They're victims themselves, but they're also perpetuating the harm of big pharma themselves, and the fuckery in controlling the media. I want what's best for them, but they're pawns for the elite so I can't let them push whatever policy they want uncontested. My prescription for people who feel like becoming a tranny is to become a femboy instead. Take little or no medicine, and do the things you want to do without worrying about how strangers see you or if you aren't living up to the standard for a "man". If they call you a tranny, just correct them that you're a man and move on. If they don't like you, you don't owe them anything and they don't owe you anything, so it doesn't matter, you don't have to fidget with your pronouns or how you present yourself to impress them. You need the label of being a woman to have permission to do stereotypically feminine things, just do it.

>>27011 >You need the label of being a woman to have permission to do stereotypically feminine things, just do it. Oops. Have a habit of forgetting to add my "don't"s or other negatives. You don't need the label. My bad.

>>27011 Shit like all what you're typing are the exact kinds of books we're gonna burn again.

>>27011 Agree wholeheartedly. On the cult thing, another thing to mention is that like most cults it also has uninitiated foot soldiers acting as a shield and a tool for the inner circles. And like other cults it preys most easily on people who feel alienated which is why autists and the terminally online are more likely to troon out.

>>27012 If you're male and even want to do "stereotypically feminine things" at all, that's indicative that there is something fucking wrong with you and you need help.

>>27134 If baking and collecting plushies is wrong, than I don't want to be right.

>>27134 >source: some random troon with weak masculinity trying to prove to other anonymous people online that he's a "real" male man you are unironically more feminine than the trannies you criticize weak bitch

>>27144 Prove it.

>>26869 I'll take you to dinner first

>>26612 Trannies are one of (((their))) biggest weapons retard

>>27171 you can't explain how or why troon

>>26558 >almost a kotomitako fanart god that hung nip is so hot. i wish he would unprivate his twit/X and post his donger some more.

>>27250 he probably got tired of being annoyed by those scam links

>>27182 Why is 4chan so shit?

>>27261 Because you touch yourself at night, anon. Actually, it's because the halfchan mods are seriously cancer and halfchan has been overrun by retards for a while now, so low effort content dominates.

Thank you 4/v/ for sharing your extensive knowledge about online trannies with us.

>>27258 >those scam links ?

>>27336 >at night nta, but it's all day for me. why wait until the night? no stamina? and yes a lot halfchan is shit by way of the self-hating jannies. i myself go for content and not engagement

It erodes their entire sense of self. Trans "people" are naturally just objects of desire made flesh.