>>26684
>it brings nothing to society as a whole
For now, I actually agree with you. Like with all changes, it complicates things and I'm not a troon or LGBT personally so at first glance, I don't think it's important. Is it really harmful? What about the far future? I think it's a first step among many others toward introducing concepts like (you) as a person not necessarily being defined by the limitations of your physical flesh. When/If the future turns into those fictional cyberpunk dystopia scenarios, with people getting fake body parts that are indistinguishable from the real thing, the line that separate genders and the perceived associated identity could get blurred quick imo. Could take 300 years before we get there but you see the idea. Even if the tech isn't up to par today, it's not unreasonable to think about the potential implications. If you live in the west, chances are that being born male or female has little impact on what role you serve as a person in today's world or how you contribute to society, outside of your potential role in pure biological reproduction. Unless you're in a field like professional sports where it matters. Late stage capitalism and severe
(((consumerism))) have made sure of that.
>The whole idea was made by (((them)))
There is a non-zero chance that troons and other "defects" must have existed before social media or fractional reserve banking came into existence. No one can prove that they didn't. Regardless, we live in an era where the question of their coexistence with normal people can actually be put on the table in public debate, just like with faggots were in the 70s. One thing I'll agree with you on though is that accepting those people into society instead of shunning them away is advantageous for kike elites. Simply put, it means more cheap labor/slaves in the workforce, who will keep the line going up in this fake, kike debt economy. That's the only angle I can see for why
(((they))) are trying hard to push them in the media, just like they do when they push third world immigrants in the west. Oh and undermining christianity I guess, but every religion is fighting for it's part of the cake. And even the the "harm" this would cause is not really because of the troon ideology. It's adding on top of what was already there.
>>26689
The thing is that both outside and inside the LGBTroon community not everyone knows what being genderfluid, trans or whatever is. All those words have different meanings and try to describe different types of human people who exist, and you can't put everything under limited umbrellas/labels which is the core argument these people are making. It sounds like a mental illness at first if you consider that they're denying "reality", but when you're intellectually honest you understand that oftentimes the "reality" invoked by normal people is based on human-made beliefs, interpretation, or tradition.
Example of REALITY and FACTS
>If human is born male = has a penis, XY chromosome etc
Truth rooted in studied biology (and even then there are freak cases which put this into question)
>If human is identifying as a man and loves/is sexually attracted to other people who are also identifying as men = is a fag
Example of HUMAN CONSTRUCT
>If human is born male with XY chromosome = is a human we can call "man"
>If human is man = has a penis
The main argument is that being a "man" has unironically nothing to do with what body part, hormones or testosterone levels you're born with. It has to do with how you act, how others perceive you, the role that other people want you to have in a given environment based on your physical characteristics and/or personality. The fact that these statements are true for the majority of people doesn't necessarily mean that they're actual fact, because there is a significant amount of people to which this simple "truth" doesn't apply. There's more to it than a human male being sterile or lacking testosterone and being physically weak/non-agressive or a female being ugly, having dried up ovaries and looking like a man. If you're religious, think of it that way. Your soul likely doesn't have a penis or vagina. Is your soul a man or a woman? Troons are fighting for one of these outcomes:
>the word "man", "woman" or whatever not being tied to your physical status of being male/female
>making up new terms to name whatever they're identifying with
>not having any terms to begin with and just call everyone "human"
The first option would be the least worst for society and the world as we know it now, because the second one arguably make it seem they're just children throwing tantrums because you're not accepting their superpower or whatever. I also agree that it could open a can of worms (i.e attack helicopter meme) and while this sounds stupid today, you never know what could happen. If the next step of humanity's evolution is to become bytes of data in VR and abandoning almost everything about the physical flesh, this could stop being a meme and become an actual POV to consider.
>>26697
As with any group of people, you can see truly nefarious individuals and behaviors. I'm not saying that bad actors don't exist within the troon community. It's impossible to prove, and we all know about the cases of literal discord grooming teens through children, cases with parents irresponsibly mutilating their children "for the cause" or worse. But this argument is in my opinion rooted in bad faith, because it's not like pedophiles, criminals, child groomers and villainous beings don't exist among normal people. Think of the pedophile priest running joke or cases of parental incest involving fathers, mothers, etc. Groomers, subhumans and degenerates exist in all races and genders. In fact, certain beliefs and constructs like religion or social environment (which put people in position of power and make them avoid scrutiny) increase the rate of which these crimes take place, more so than what gender people choose to identify with. Pretending to care about children or victims of abuse when it's about troons is easy because you don't like them. It's another thing to actually think about what societal mechanisms help perpetuate said abuse of violence and the steps to do in order to fight it. Suddenly no one is stepping up because it's not an easy task. I'm not pretentious enough to know down to the exact detail nor care.
>tl;dr
My point is this. Tech has advanced, society has changed enough that male = man can be put into question based on what a man can and should do in the west, beyond his role in biological reproduction. The difficult part is for both troons and normal people to find labels to put on who is what, who loves who etc. And also that these people being accepted in society will make kikes happy because of more satisfied wage slaves.
Still it begs the question: what if tech/science advances even further? To the point where we can replicate and replace body parts or physical characteritistics? Or what if we come to a point where humanity evolves past living through physical flesh? (becoming data in VR or the idea of "soul")
Bad people exist everywhere and pointing fingers at troons for cases of child grooming or worse is in bad faith, when the same if not worse happens all the time within groups of normal people. People doing this shit don't do it necessarily because of the ideology they believe in but because of the power dynamics and environments they find themselves in which allows for some truly horrific shit to happen.