I really like the idea of "Not normal but not weird", specifically a world were some people is born little and they can live it out. So an adult in a stroller is not normal but also nothing to worry about. Dunno what more to add.

Magical setting where trannies wear enchanted diapers that suppress feelings from their genitals, but this also includes the feelings that let them hold their urine(hence why they're diapers and not another type of underwear).

>>11744 Same ; its part of why i like rocketmanatees stuff so much (and while the PID was so hot while it lasted) - humiliation is a big part of it for me, and it's not humiliating if it's normal. So the ideal fantasy for me is where it's unusual enough to be made a big deal out of in a positive way- little are coddled and teased wherever they go, but accepted so that society accommodates them Being sent to school in diapers : hot Being sent to school in diapers when the teachers and other students know and insist on checking me and theres a changing table at the back of the class for the 10% of students too immiture to be potty-trained : insanely hot, diamonds Being sent to school in diapers and everyone knows because everyone is diapered and its treated matter of factly : boring, barely hotter than reality. >>11746 Cute, and given the high rate of trans ABDL, actually realistic.

>>11752 first of all, thanks for bringing this thread back from the brink of extinction. second, i went through special ed from kindergarten to senior year of high school (i'm autistic af), so sometimes i think about the idea of "adult baby syndrome" being an actual neurological disorder with its own special treatments. i remember feeling a lot of second hand embarrassment because a lot of the kids at school were both a) lower functioning than me and b) from really rich families so i felt like they were essentially coddling their children and making it so they can never actually grow up and live in "normal" society. so i just have this idea of like, teenagers looking through their parents facebook and seeing that half of it is just them getting their diaper changed while their parents post things like "INFANTILISM WARRIOR MOMMY" and just getting super red in the face.

What about littles who aren't full time? It seems like diaper realities always have diapers being all or nothing.

>>11753 >second, i went through special ed from kindergarten to senior year of high school (i'm autistic af) What was special ed like? Lots of incontinence in the special ed classes? I was in special ed for some of the time >so i just have this idea of like, teenagers looking through their parents facebook and seeing that half of it is just them getting their diaper changed while their parents post things like "INFANTILISM WARRIOR MOMMY" and just getting super red in the face. The privacy of a child who's disabled is seen as much less than a 'normal' one. Our school had CCTV in the disabled bathroom. I would constantly have privacy invaded

>>11754 This obviously only applies to the AB side, not people's whose fantasy is strictly DL, and obviously not universal But i think the lack of the ability to go "Time-out! I want everyone to stop treating me like a child and respect my autonomy" conflicts with what for a lot of people is the core appeal of this kind of fantasy ; the idea that theres no way to stop it because everyone around you can see that deep down, you really are just a little baby inside. Wanting to be treated like a grown-up, demanding to be treated like a grownup, and being told "No, you're nothing more than a helpless child , now stop being fussy and lay down so we we can change you into your 8pm bed-time diaper unless you want a spanking" is kind of ruined as a fantasy if the participants can be like " actually no tonight i feel like opening a bottle of wine, staying up till 12 and watching R-rated stuff on netflix" Being able to op out is for reality... and having that saftey net withdraw for fantasy : hnnng

>>11762 I mean, I was in a K-12 charter school for autistic kids. My mom does work special ed and has seen a lot of incontinent kids. The one thing I do remember was that we had to be escorted to the bathrooms because some kids fucked it up. Also at one point I saw a diaper out on a counter and and lemme tell you I was so tempted to steal it.

>>11752 >>11764 Oh yes, RM's artwork is the ur example of this and I do like little being coddled and humiliated but I enjoy realistic fiction and non fiction like long form journalism so what I really want to see are stories of littles struggling to overcome their status, like the struggles of a little trying to become a popstar or trying to live by themselves. >>11753 >>11769 Ow, that's too real for me, people with actual neurological problems throw a wrench into this fantasy

The problem with people writing semi-realistic humiliation-world fiction is that it gets very Gorean (or infinitely worse) very fast. And there's really no need for it, not unless psychological and physical torture are actually your thing. It's just so much more realistic and so much less "I need to get out of here even if I have to stab people in the eyeballs" to have the little be fully aware and accepting of his/her own littleness. One story that's been percolating in my head is of a guy who grows himself a little girl's body and a system to put his own brain into it, replacing many of his own brain cells in the process. His original brain cells are dying due to it, though, putting him into a 'use it or lose it' Ship of Theseus situation - he has the ability to learn super quickly, but he'll also forget everything unless he tries to remember. He doesn't want to remember how to be an adult. He just wants to keep all the technical skills and scientific knowledge, and winds up gaining far more. By the end of the story, our heroine is a very happy little girl who wears pretty dresses and doesn't use the potty by herself (that's what Mommy's for!) and loves tea parties with her many friends, all of which are also formerly adult little girls. Everyone treats her like a princess because she practically is one. Her Mommy and Daddy handle her multitrillion-dollar wealth (because she, y'know, invented total whole-body rejuvenation) and will do nothing to actually hurt or upset their little golden goose, who is typing on her little sparkly keyboard with dainty little fingers, developing methods of curing rare brain cancers.

I'm more in the camp of enjoying globalization stories where everyone is diapered, or it's a cultural norm. I'm not really a humiliation fetishist although I can imagine some specific scenarios that could be hot. I just like diapers in a lot of different contexts, and seeing diapers everywhere would be amazing for me. Also, I like the idea of a diapered world, but it doesn't necessarily have to resemble reality. I really wish people went farther out there with some really ridiculous scenarios.

>>11819 Someone in another site came up with a scenario where mankind gradually regresses itself and leaves hyper-advanced robots to take over the world and treat humans as pets.

>>11815 Yeah... globalized fetish and magical realm settings, even when written well, can come off as horrifying and grimdark even when you're into that specific fetish and most people wouldn't want to actually experience or live in such a world even if the horror and grimdark is part of the appeal. The Diaper Dimension setting is an example where even if you're into ABDL any sane person is still going to be aware of how fucked up it is to have a world where giants, "Amazons", treat normal sized people, "Littles", as pets and dolls and where forced body modification and brainwashing is acceptable to achieve compliance of Littles. Notable fetish non-ABDL examples are stuff like Monster Girl Encyclopedia, Pokegirls, Free Cities, and Corruption of Champions. This isn't to say these settings can't be interesting or arousing, but an entire setting catering to sexual fantasies with little to no regard for people's physical or mental autonomy and freedom is not a setting most people would actually want to live in even if they're into that particular fetish. It's like how grimdark worlds like WH40k can certainly be interesting settings and entertaining, but no sane person from our world would voluntarily want to live in a world like that no matter how entertaining they find the setting. Don't get me wrong I'm not meaning this to be a bad thing. In fiction, "interesting" is usually better than "good" or "nice".

>>11819 Where did this art come from? Love it.

I much rather prefer settings where the characters are put in diapers by force; therefore wearing diapers isn't the norm. still, I once read a story about a "nursery" type of correctional facility where the inmates are babied. It was interesting, diapers would be the norm there, even though the inmates did not want to.

>>11835 https://twitter.com/CrazyStationTwo Be warned though. He is a really extreme fetish artist including scat and body morphing stuff that just happens to have done a small handful of really amazing diaper pictures.

>>11782 >Ow, that's too real for me, people with actual neurological problems throw a wrench into this fantasy You should have taken the retard-pill in the womb, anon. You could have been 24/7 and it wouldn't even need to be secret. In fact, it'd be so normal there would be no need for it to be a secret. But it is a bit uncomfortable. You are changed when it suits others, not yourself. You often can't deal with particular textures or noises; meltdowns are a possibility. You might have spent many hours in restraints even though you should be grown up by now. Is it worth it? I can't know the other side of things, so hard to tell. (I have a normal IQ FWIW)

I saved this writeup from halfchan

>>11831 I'm pretty sure that the Diaper Dimension is, or at least has been repeatedly used as, an allegory for autism and similar conditions. It's a world where any slip-up, any reason, any excuse can permit parents and teachers (portrayed as Amazons) to imprison, belittle, or torture the neurodivergent (Littles) into compliance.

>>11842 god damn i have a thing for bratty subs

>>11853 That interpretation seems rather autistic itself and reaching. I've never gotten that impression and I highly doubt anyone is writing a Diaper Dimension story with the idea of it being a metaphor for autism or any mental health issue that can cause problems if it acts up too much, or most fetish content in general. It seems weird that anyone would put that sort of subtext and you're projecting if you're seeing that. The closest thing is there are a few Diaper Dimension stories involving Littles with actual real world mental problems being taken in and cared for by an Amazon. In most cases though porn fiction is just porn fiction. It's not meant to be anything else. Actually from what I've seen fetish and porn creators online are usually very blatant with a message if they have one. Just look at fetish artists (even some ABDL ones) that insert tranny political nonsense into there work as an example. People making porn are either unlikely to have any subtlety and not know how to read a room or actually are aware enough to realize that any opinions and messages they have are just going to annoy and turn off most of the audience that is mainly there to get off and porn is not something likely to convince people of your argument with. In Diaper Dimension stories Littles are second class citizens with fewer rights that Amazons can abduct off the street to be forcibly used as a form of pleasure slave in most of the world and Amazons even abduct normal people from other worlds for this purpose. A lot of stories do actually explore or at least note the entire thing has a lot of what amounts to human trafficking and slavery going on in the background. I've seen a few stories that even explicitly acknowledge Amazons breeding Littles as real people would domestic animals. No actual normal person wants to abduct an autist (or any person with significant mental health problems) off the street for the purpose of keeping them as a pet and surrogate child. No one is specifically human trafficking autists as slaves. That seems like a weird fantasy if anything. In most cases normal people would prefer not to deal with anyone who appears crazy, deformed, or not normal. It's why locking up crazy and retarded people in asylums used to be common and part of why so many end up homeless or in jail rather than receiving useful mental health treatment. There are safety nets in developed countries, yes, but ultimately most people just don't want to deal with the problem.

Something I really like is the concept of "rogue servitors" as portrayed by Stellaris. The basic idea is this: Humanity (or another species) create a superintelligent AI with explicit instructions to serve humanity and ensure humans are all safe and happy. The AI then sees that most of human misery is caused by other humans, through incompetent leadership, corruption, war and conflict, etc. The AI concludes that to do its job properly, it must take over every leadership role on Earth so it can "properly" keep its human charges safe and happy. Fast forward a few decades, and humanity as a whole is now under the care of the AI overlord, which does everything in its power to create a utopia for its charges. In-game this translates to having all of your human population living under a regimen of 'mandatory pampering'. They all live in 'organic sanctuaries' and have their happiness at 100% as they are taken care of by robots. The god-AI then decides that it shouldn't only care for humans, but every organic species in the galaxy should be taken care of in the same way, and takes to the stars in a galactic campaign of conquest to bring every organic lifeform into the fold, where they will receive their pampering whether they like it or not. This could easy be adapted to an ABDL scenario. Either the god-AI thinks that humans are much cuter as diaper-clad babbies, or they're easier to take care of and meet their needs when they're mentally regressed, or it happens all on its own after a few generations of humans being waited on hand and foot by robotic servants where their every need is met before they even know it's a need.

>>11870 >taking everything literally and realistically rather than making any attempt to filter through the perceptions of not-normal people (such as autists and Diaper Dimension story writers) Anon, I... (Read the works of Personalias, if you can stomach them, and then maybe the works of Chris-Chan, which are less disturbing) >>11881 I think this AI would consider you a cute baby almost no matter what you do. The only thing that would cause such an AI to be actually angry with you is if you tried to hurt yourself or another organic lifeform, as if it would ever let you. Of course you can play tennis with your friends, sweetie, but not without your pads and helmet! Oh, how sweet, of course I'll let you make an encrypted network so you can play spy with your friends! Wait, you thought Mommy didn't know about all those firearms you were stockpiling? Oh, that is so, so cuuute! Mommy just had to fix things so that they won't shoot at organic flesh, that's all, and of course I won't let them jam or explode on you. What? You meant to shoot my drones with them? Of course I don't mind, I'll play with you, honey! You've made tens of thousands of rounds, and I have billions upon untold billions of spare drones, and it takes me a tiny, tiny fraction of a percent of my total capacity to recycle anything you could possibly destroy! Awww, honey, don't be sad. That's just how much bigger Mommy is. It's okay, dear. Mommy loves you so much. Now, are you going to spend your time moping, or do you want to play your favorite games? It's okay if you want to give up and mope for a while. Here you go, dear. Let's get you into a nice, thick diaper, and some soft, fluffy mittens and booties, and here's a great big drone-teddy that'll hug you, and a big, comforting pacifier that'll dispense your very favorite tastes in the world. Good night, little lambikins. Tomorrow's another day, and you can spend all day, week, month, year, century, eon, eternity playing. What's that? "The stars will burn out?" Oh, sweetie, don't be silly! Mommy found a way to solve that problem even before she fixed every bit of aging and nearly any quantum event that might even suggest value drift! I'll be taking care of you indefinitely, honeybunch. Forever, and ever, and ever.

>>11882 thanks anon, you've understood exactly what my fantasy is about and are hitting all of the right buttons with this. >Mommy found a way to solve that problem even before she fixed every bit of aging and nearly any quantum event that might even suggest value drift! I'll be taking care of you indefinitely, honeybunch. Forever, and ever, and ever. that's another point I forgot to include. A superintelligent god-AI could do some crazy things with technology, like genetically modifying its "babies" either physically or mentally to be better suited for their new lifestyle. It could make their genitals either much more sensitive to turn them into mewling kittens drowning in pleasure, or completely block it to create a bunch of pure, chaste little angels. It could make your skin send waves of dopamine to your brain when you're wrapped up in the arms of one of the cuddledrones, or your brain get happy when your favorite rattle is shook in front of you. It could solve obesity by just not letting the body build up fat reserves past a little bit of baby fat, and make the body much better at dealing with lack of physical activity or an overabundance of sweets. Also imagine the toys you could make with clarketech. Playing dolly with a million drones across an empty moon and building kilometer-tall sandcastles with them. Using nebulae as a canvas for your crayon drawings. Smashing skyscraper-sized robots together like a toddler smashing their toys together.

>>11887 Sweetness, stimulating your pleasure centers in that way would be the same thing as as wireheading, which is the same thing as drug addiction. Mommy loves you too much for that. Now, if that little thing is giving you too much trouble and making you sad, you can always ask Mommy to take it away for a while. A lot of babies never ask for it back. Of course you can play with your really big blocks, sweetie! I know how much fun building and then breaking is for you. Why do you look so embarrassed, little one? You're not alone! I can show you lots and lots of videos of other children playing like that. Oh, you want to be Godzilla this time? Of course you can! Why are you so surprised? Mommy doesn't mind if you want to wear your giant, fire-breathing monster costume sometimes.

>>11836 I've always rather like the regression and infantilization prison idea. Reeducating prisoners through forced regression sounds like a workable scenario, even better if it involves a bit actual transformation and regression. Most of the prison population is male after all so the idea of male criminals being turned into girls or lolis for reformation with the assumption that they'll also be less dangerous as girls is an interesting idea. It's not ABDL just TGAR and lolification, but one of the first stories (and one of my favorites) I remember reading with the prison concept is Green River. https://fictionmania.tv/stories/scifi/green-river.txt Even without the crime and punishment aspect I like the idea of some sort world domination or post apocalypse scenario like in the Tarrant thread where much of the population is forcibly regressed and babied as a means of control. It's unfinished and dead, but Equality Through Diapers had an interesting concept of some sort of matriarchal dictatorship taking over the world and transforming most men into women with a few kept around for breeding purposes. The transformation process is some sort of scifi thing that renders every male it's used on into a biological female, but has a side effect of permanent incontinence and "Diaper Girls" are considered lower socially compared with born women. The ruling matriarchy also uses forced mental regression as punishment for sufficiently serious crimes. https://www.dailydiapers.com/board/index.php?/topic/61591-equality-through-diapers-ch-12/ >>11882 >Anon, I... >(Read the works of Personalias, if you can stomach them, and then maybe the works of Chris-Chan, which are less disturbing) Same anon you're replying to and I'm an autist with mental health problems myself, I'm just mostly frustrated with repeatedly encountering this sort of autistic narcissism. It's annoying encountering other autists and crazy people that project on shit so heavily or insist stuff has more meaning to their own internal states than actually exists or insist that their issues make them in any way special. At this point I just think when encountering, "You are not special and your favorite fictional characters and historical figures usually don't or didn't have autism or crippling mental health problems." I'm perplexed why so many autists have no apparent ability to self examine or recognize that not everything they experience relates to themselves. Is it just theory of the mind problems? Is this just particularly socially isolated and coddled autists? I don't get how any autist doesn't learn better to some extent from being forced to interact with normal people. You have to put on the human suit to function to an extent no matter what your internal states are and you learn how other people act to get it to fit better. You mention Chris-chan who is a rather extreme case, but him and other autistic lolcows makes me suspect autists that aren't forced to interact with the real world and learn what normal people expect of them or don't receive special ed or something usually end up as semi-retarded adults who don't recognize that most people don't care about their spergery at best and will ridicule or avoid them at worst. As for Personalias's work... he's got the same problem as another ABDL writer, SophieAndPudding. Some of what's there is decent and sometimes a fetish writer can make something long that is interesting, but most of it's just so fucking long winded, drawn out, and lacking in particularly interesting characters or scenarios that can hold up for something novel length. I have difficulty with stories like this because I'm not really interested in reading a novel 100s of pages long focusing on ABDL and mostly or completely lacking anything of interest beyond the fetish. I suspect this is partly the result of Patreon in some cases. It encourages authors to lack brevity and extend stories well beyond what the premise can handle to try to keep subscribers over extended periods.

>>11990 >this sort of autistic narcissism This is the exact source of the allegory I was talking about, anon! The author is projecting his own experiences into fetish world. I'd bet you a pacifier to a full-body Privatina snowsuit that Personalias' mom went full Munchausen by Proxy on him and probably found help in doing so. >Is it just theory of the mind problems? [...] You have to put on the human suit You're almost there. You just need a more generalized framework to better handle abnormal states... >I've always rather like the regression and infantilization prison idea. Reeducating prisoners through forced regression sounds like a workable scenario, even better if it involves a bit actual transformation and regression. ...and then, perhaps, turn that framework inwards.

>>11990 >As for Personalias's work... he's got the same problem as another ABDL writer, SophieAndPudding. Some of what's there is decent and sometimes a fetish writer can make something long that is interesting, but most of it's just so fucking long winded, drawn out, and lacking in particularly interesting characters or scenarios that can hold up for something novel length. I have difficulty with stories like this because I'm not really interested in reading a novel 100s of pages long focusing on ABDL and mostly or completely lacking anything of interest beyond the fetish. I suspect this is partly the result of Patreon in some cases. It encourages authors to lack brevity and extend stories well beyond what the premise can handle to try to keep subscribers over extended periods. The problem is that diaper regression stories with characters/drama good enough to sustain a novel-length work are basically as rare as... well as real life diaper regression. Diaper stories are smut. When they try to more it almost universally sucks. I have to tip my cap to writers like PrincessPottypants AKA Elizabeth who realize what the medium is and never smell their own farts. I guess, on the other hand, Elibean was a pretty good writer. But she got doxxed and nuked her stories off the internet. Other than that.... WBDaddy maybe?

>>11999 Jesus that image is good. Pastel loli is such an abdl vibe As for good long fiction the only other names i can think of are sophie'n'pudding Quietly humiliateds' "Bottoms Up" early chapters were funny, but the actual abdl fantasy in the abdl story feels uninteresting

>>12005 https://nhentai.net/g/401440/ Here is the whole vibe my dude.

Let's get back to scenarios. What if diaper filling was a circus act, like juggling or magic?

>>12035 I love that concept. Similarly an idea that I've toyed around with writing before and tried to get other people to do is a world where women are all diapered and competitive diaper-use is a spectator sport. Like women are competing in arenas seeing who can fill their diapers the most. I know there was an anon on 8kun who said he had actually written a pretty decent amount of story for that concept but he ended up losing the files and abandoning the whole thing. Super disappointing.

I really like the idea of an ABDL office space and the situations that could come from it.

>>11881 Sounds like you're describing this story: https://pastebin.com/BkrNy43w

>>12041 NTA but I was looking for that story! Thanks! I thought that Goodtimes wrote it because it feels like his style but no account apparently

>>12038 There's a whole series of captions on ImageFap about "diaper training secretaries"

>>13744 Link?

>>13747 https://www.imagefap.com/pictures/4178310/Potty-training-your-secretaries-Part-One https://www.imagefap.com/pictures/4179737/Potty-training-your-secretaries-Part-Two https://www.imagefap.com/pictures/4179770/Potty-training-your-secretaries-Part-Three https://www.imagefap.com/pictures/4179795/Potty-training-your-secretaries-Part-Four

screenshot from other thread because I think anon did a good job writing this.

>>12044 >>12041 Hi. I wrote this story. Glad to see people are still posting it!

>>12041 >>22266 I found an extended version here, almost twice as long. Not sure if it's official or someone else's continuation. https://pastebin.com/QBhUCH3E

TIL that researchers at Utah built a device that allows you to remote-control someone's bladder via a wireless remote. Oh, and its patent is set to expire soon. (https://patents.google.com/patent/US7571000B2/en)

>>22325 Not sure that this is the right thread for it, but >>11881 made me think about the intersections between AI, IoT/wearable/implant tech, and some of the bizarre things I see at work

>>22325 That patent reminded me of a device in the film Kick-Ass in which, when activated, it produced an instantaneous severe diarrhoea.