I thought it was more than just ABDL stuff since processors have been cracking down on all kinds of porn

I have never gone to these sites and have only fapped to one image of actual people in diapers. This has negative impact to me.

i mean this is what happens when you vote for the guy who promised a porn ban

>>50619 Remind me, who was president when patreon banned abdl content?

>>50619 This isn't really a doing of the republican party, financial/credit card companies have always been run by backwards prudes. >>50622 Biden but it was so because of a law (SESTA/FOSTA) passed in Trump's first term

>>50630 Yeah, it's been going on for years, especially after high profile sites like PornHub and OnlyFans got in trouble for hosting underage content of RL people. It's not even really a political party issue since those sites would have gotten in trouble either way for that and not even the card companies specifically really. Everything from advertisers to payment processors don't want to be involved with anything controversial out of concern for legal trouble or public backlash. Same reason even vaguely sexual stuff gets immediately demonetized on youtube. It all boils down to companies covering their asses from legal prosecution and avoiding anything that would upset normalfag customers.

>>50631 It's political in the sense that it's unpopular to address the root issues, so instead we get random takedowns as a form of virtue signalling/appeasement.

>>50619 No you retard. Back in 2001 after the 9/11 attacks the US signed into action the USA PATRIOT Act. This act, aside from damaging the privacy of all US citizens, removed safe harbor laws for banks and payment processors. Because of this banks and payment processors can be held liable for funding terrorism and required them to keep a record of all transactions by any and all individuals in the US. So every time you buy a pack of ABDL diapers its recorded. Fast forward to the "current year" and lawyers and politicans are pointing out if banks know all the payments and items being bought they are aware of any and all illegal Democrat activism being exchanged and their refusal to stop the sales means they are aiding and abetting it, therefore they can be sued in court for allowing Democrat activismography. In an effort to prevent any potential lawsuits payment processors have begun cutting off any possible company that could risk them being sued since they are by law required to keep a record. This act needed to be reauthorized by majority vote every couple of years and both the republicans and democrats would unite to keep it alive to continue spying on Americans. Thank fucking god Trump threatened to veto the bill during its last renewal in 2020 finally killing the bill and the shit involved with it after almost 20 years of illegitimate operation (despite the overwhelming support renewing it had with both parties). Too bad that by this point large portions of the bill have been codified into law including the shit requiring banks to keep records. Anyway niggers like you need to learn your history.

>>50639 That's horrifying.

>>50639 >CP is filtered to become democrat activism >CPography is filtered to become democrat activismography Seriously BO?

>>50650 To be fair, there was someone sending that shit on this board a couple months ago If you ask me, I think it was a smear campaign

>>50650 That seems like a filter the previous BO would have used, not the current one. Maybe it's just a meme

>>50661 >Maybe it's just a meme It is a meme, but it's not the kind you hope

Honestly, good, abdl porn was available before monetization, it will be available still after it is banned, the only thing this will do is kick the fake e-thots that only do the bare minimum for a payment out of the fetish, monetization of kinks created the retardation that is findom, and it's ban can't happen sooner

>>50667 Not sure if you're nostalgic, biased, or delusional, but ABDL porn requires variety of content. And I know that we haven't had the most variety in terms of settings, quality, etc. lately, but why would variety get any better with further porn bans? Back in the day amateur ABDL porn existed, but it was a super rare occurence, and usually a guy pressuring his girlfriend/wife into it. The only professional grade stuff with hot models came from paysites and besides the fact that there aren't any paysites to pick up the slack for that nowadays, they would be subject to the same problems with legal restrictions and hesitant payment processors, as all the e-thots are. Porn bans are bad for ABDL porn. Period. There's not going to be a new golden age of content if this stuff is getting cracked down on everywhere.

>>50667 >abdl porn was available before monetization No it wasn't, lol. People have been monetizing porn as long as they have been producing it.

>>50611 Oh FFS, who cares. I've been around since the inception of the internet. Paying for porn makes you a total loser. I have a hard time believing you simps actually do this, yet, economic reporting data and posts like these prove it is true. Less porn just means I have more time to do productive things. I look forward to it. I'll watch porn if its free, popping up on torrents and such, but I wouldn't mind if it was gone and if you do - dude, get a life and go get a woman.

>>50664 I honestly don't understand what the implication was there. I was thinking that the BO might just use the filter because it is an easy joke without actually having political opinions one way or the other about either party?

>>50618 >>50667 >>50690 I don't understand this moralizing about being 'above' porn consumption on an imageboard dedicated to a sexual fetish. If ABDL porn really means nothing to you then what are you doing here? You can have problems with the quality of porn nowadays. You can have problems with the way the culture and industry of porn have changed. But none of that still doesn't change the fact that if you get sexual gratification from seeing women in diapers, then porn bans are ultimately bad for that. If there's an outright ban on content like this, sure you'll probably still be able to find it here and there and in obscure places but there's going to be way less of it.

>>50690 >Less porn just means I have more time to do productive things. This is a mindbogglingly cucked way to think. It's like saying "oh the fed is printing cash like they plan on wiping their ass with it and the cost of food is going through the roof? That's okay, I needed to lose weight anyways." The government is buttfucking you and you are acting like that's a good thing.

>>50780 Governments use porn to distract and control the population

>>50783 What the fuck are you doing on this board then? It's definitely not more productive.

>>50780 What is the government doing that is causing this?

>>50794 Keeping you under control ;)

>>50619 Diaper Donald who rawdogged a pornstar didn't promise a porn ban, you're thinking of the guy with a pornstar name, Mike Johnson. Technically his lackeys in this house voted for him, not the American people. Of course, the American people voted for his lackeys, so... >>50630 It's not that financial/credit card companies have always been/still are run by backwards prudes, it's that they're run by two-faced hypocrites. These people engage in the most perverse behavior imaginable when they're out of public view, it's only when people are looking at them that they have an issue with this. They're the 21st century equivalent of the prohibition ladies who'd have their anti-booze bitchfest and then celebrate after with a glass of wine. Likewise, while there's some blame to go around to everyone, (go look at Kamala Harris' record on prosecuting sex workers,) the Republican party as a whole has been consistently worse about this issue, and appointing the guy who wants to ban porn as their House Speaker, plus having Senators pushing similar shit at the state level, puts them squarely in a position of deserving more blame. (Kamala lost and the D's have no power right now, this one is on the R's.) Oh, and SESTA/FOSTA are absolutely responsible for the ABDL Patreon ban. USAPATRIOT has been around since 2002, so why wasn't ABDL content or porn in general banned sooner? I'll tell you why, because when Obama was president, people actually complained that it was too difficult to legally acquire porn, (especially niche/fetish porn,) and that the US government was leaving taxable revenue on the table. The reason the government was leaving taxable revenue on the table was that the credit card companies wouldn't play ball and do business with porn sites, which is why you typically had to go through some shady payment processor in Russia, or buy "tokens" that you could then use to pay for your porn up until about 15 years ago. The Obama administration's response to this was to tell the credit card companies "find a way to process payments for legally created porn, regardless of the niche," and that's basically what happened. The credit card companies took the sticks out of their asses and started processing payments for any legally created porn, and porn created in the USA became taxable in the USA and not just in the country hosting the site it was distributed on. If you don't like the current situation, complain, or find someone famous with a big mouth and get them to complain. Politicians are typically thin-skinned and enough whining by their constituents typically gets them to back off. >>50631 OnlyFans hasn't figured out that they can't have it both ways. They wanted to be Patreon, a site where real creatives go for real funding, and they wanted the massive revenue of their pornstar fan side-hustle. The problem is that these two industries don't mix, and by the time OF tried to purge all of their porn, (remember that?) their brand was synonymous with porn, and nobody else wanted to do business with them. They relented and got aggressive on age verification, but they never picked up real creatives as they already had a platform, and it was called Patreon. (And GoFundMe, IndieGoGo, Kickstarter, and a thousand others.) OF is STILL trying to get real creatives onto their site not realizing that even if they only offer normalfag porn, no serious creative is going to use them for anything that isn't synonymous with porn. YouTube had a different issue entirely, namely that they never wanted to be a porn site, and that because they were always meant to be a video sharing site, they wanted their content available to as many people as possible. In the early years the rules were basically "keep it PG or make it really artistic," and that was fine before modern social media and smartphones put it in the pockets of the youth, and Google decided they wanted to play social media company with it, which is why there's now YouTube Kids, age verification on anything mildly raunchy, and crap like YouTube Shorts. PornHub is another story entirely, "porn" is literally in their name! Initially it was believed that their problem was that they allowed underage content onto the platform, which would have been a serious issue under any circumstances, but back when they were claiming to be "The YouTube of Porn," they could have gotten away with just removing the content and claiming protections under Safeharbor laws. The problem is that the illegal shit got on there after they started selling "Premium" subscriptions, and that put them in a different category than they had previously been in. They were no longer a "platform," they were a "publisher" for legal purposes. They still might have escaped this fiasco mostly unscathed, except one of the things that recently came out in the court filings is that the employees at PornHub not only knew about the illegal content on their site, THEY WOULD FUCKING JOKE ABOUT IT WHILE NOT REMOVING IT! According to the guy who runs DailyDiapers, there's only one payment processor based out of Europe that'll even consider touching diaper content, and that's Verotel. (Supposedly Verotel pulled their affiliate program without warning, and that's primarily what lead to ABS no longer creating new content.) Verotel used to handle Clips4Sale's "token" system before Clips4Sale began processing payments directly, but it sounds like they have no intention of going back to Verotel. It sounds like the only real solution to this is going to be an ABDL clip site that uses Verotel as its payment processor, or an even shadier site that uses random crypto. Oh, and any of you retards who thinks any of this is a good thing for diaper porn needs to have your head examined, and not for the usual reasons. It just got infinitely more difficult to legally purchase diaper porn from a platform that you know is reliable/not a scam, from a model that you know is legal and not "lying about her age but looks older," (which was actually one of the reasons why credit card companies were pushed to process payments for this kind of content from sites like Clips4Sale in the first place,) and with a payment method that isn't shady and doesn't require jumping through hoops to use. This will never happen as it would require both the credit card companies to be sane, and sites like Clips4Sale and IWantClips to engage in a little bit of extra work, but my guess is that if AB/DL content had to be shot on actual cameras, models had to show their faces, and maybe even require the clip to have just the most rudimentary concept of a plot, the credit card companies might back off a little bit. Why? Because I'm willing to bet that the thing scaring credit card companies are the vertical, headless, "diapered crotch shots" where it's impossible to tell the person's age. Sure they may have submitted two forms of ID, but the guy with his hair on fire in the legal department is probably thinking "What if they just have similar legs? We can't tell if the person in the video is the same one in the photo ID." Forcing an actual camera instead of a smartphone puts a monetary barrier in front of the "aspiring content creators" who shouldn't be involved in this stuff yet, and monetary barriers work well for that purpose. Forcing faces to be shown on all new content would make it easy for someone to look at the two forms of photo ID, look at the video, and say "yeah, that's the person they claim to be." At the very least there are ways to tell if someone is an adult or not by looking at certain facial features, which is why this should also calm the money people down. Forcing a basic plot isn't something I'm big on as it would kill the more natural "day in the life of" kinds of videos, but it's the kind of nonsense that shuts up worrywarts who can't tell the difference between what's staged and what's real, and unfortunately we have a surplus of those people right now. Again, none of this is actually going to happen, but it's probably what would be needed to make the credit card companies climb out of the clip stores asses and get ABDL content back again.

>>50829 All good stuff. Is that true about Pornhub joking about illegal content on their site? I would want to know where that came from. So who is JFF using? And why are they like the only game in town for hosting diaper stuff in a subscription format now? The Diapered Online guy said on Twitter that the issue is that no one in the ABDL porn business is willing to push back on any of the payment processors with a lawsuit, because as long as you could prove in a court of law that everything being produced is legal, you could set the precedent that credit card companies are terminating all these creators wrongfully. But no one has the resources or willingness to engage in a legal battle over diaper porn. Don't know if that's true though.

We are increasingly coming to live in an sex-negative society. And if you solely blame the political left or right for this you are mistaken. They are both to blame and anything that can possibly bring joy is being driven out.

>>50833 Kara Swisher's podcast is my source for the PornHub thing, can't remember if it was from this week or last week though, but fairly recent. She mentions it as a reason to "sue them out of existence." No idea who JFF is using, but they built their business on "all the stuff OF got rid of," so make of that what you will. Diapered Online guy is probably right. Lawsuits cost money, you'd need a bunch of creators banding together to pay for a lawfirm capable of suing Visa/MasterCard/Amex and actually winning, and that would take years and more money than most of these creators probably have combined. Their only real options are a lawyer who'd take the case pro bono on principal, (highly unlikely,) or an ACLU/FIRE type group bringing the suit. The old ACLU would have been a good place to go, in its current state I'd be skeptical though. >>50834 I said there's blame to go around, but it's disingenuous to say that one side isn't somewhat more responsible than the other for this. I'm willing to blame the people who caused more chaos more than the ones that caused only some chaos. Also, where's the link about C4S pulling stuff? Their ABDL content looks alive and well to me.

>>50839 >Also, where's the link about C4S pulling stuff? Their ABDL content looks alive and well to me. I don't think they actually did pull anything. From what I understand there wasn't even like a public announcement about it. They updated their policies quietly. But someone on ABDL twitter saw the change and started spreading the info around the ABDL community. Some creators started pulling their content from C4S voluntarily after that. But yeah it looks like there's still a huge amount of ABDL content on there. No platform purges yet.

>>50829 >conspiracy theories up the ass >baseless paranoia Ah, so 8kun's BO returns from hiding. How was jail homie? You beat those DV charges?

>>50834 Society becoming more sex negative scares me so much.

>>50834 Thank you for your holy presence, kevalin

I live in europe, and I feel the negativity around sex and everything related to it is mostly a matter in the US. Some fearmongering far-right parties yell about it, but not much really comes from that

>>50864 I can see that, actually

>>50611 >Paying for porn Cringe, not my problem. >Paywalled ABDL content getting fucked Cool.

I want to have a serious conversation about this although I know that ultimately there's no good solutions to it or understanding to be had. But I feel like it relates to a few different discussions that are going on on this board and on the internet in general. I don't understand why anyone who gets off on this stuff would think that paid ABDL content getting banned would be a good thing. I know that there's a lot of talk lately about the porn industry being bad for the development of young men and women and the state of society. And although I don't support porn bans I can understand that there's a legitimate argument to be made there regarding that. But that's not what's being discussed here. People aren't talking about banning porn, they're talking about banning this one specific fetish. I also know that there's a lot of people who are fed up with the state of modern ABDL porn. Which I can sympathize with. I'm often nostalgic for the way ABDL porn was 10-20 years ago. The OnlyFans model taking over the porn industry has reduced ABDL porn to the point where every single video is just a girl alone in her bedroom silently pissing herself and then turning off the camera. However, I don't see how banning ABDL porn is going to fix that problem at all. Maybe you have this fetish but you don't consume ABDL porn? That's cool but I guess this conversation isn't relevant to you, and I have to imagine that whatever aspects of this fetish you do engage with will likely also be hurt by the idea that more of this content will be getting driven off the internet. I've been in ABDL internet spaces since... let's say 2006. Almost 20 years. ABDL content was available back then but it wasn't a paradise of free amateur content. In fact, I think that era was even far more reliant on paid ABDL porn than things are now. Amateur content was few and far between. Usually it was a husband and wife thing with the husband getting his wife to take photos and her looking uncomfortable. Quality was usually pretty terrible. And you couldn't find this stuff on mainstream websites. It was always on some obscure site or ABDL-specific forums. The vast majority of the content that was getting traded around back then was from pornsites. Usually pornsites that were not employing 'real' ABDLs, or even pretended like they were. But they had sets and production values, and the models were hot, which was usually the priority. Also, the scenarios tended to involve multiple people and were more varied. I've paid for porn a handful of times in my life but the vast majority of content was through filesharing. Now, I'm really nostalgic for that era of the internet and for that era of ABDL porn, but it doesn't change the fact that content was always obscure and hard to come by until the last maybe ten years. If there are widespread bans on ABDL porn on all the regular platforms, I think it will be even worse than that era of the internet when it comes to finding ABDL content. It will still exist sure, but we don't have anything in place right now to even retreat to for file sharing or posting. Most internet traffic has moved to highly regulated social media sites. Internet forums are almost non-existent. Even if the only interest was in discussion and nothing else, purging ABDL from social media sites would mean there's no where else to turn too. We don't have the infrastructure for it anymore. All the models who currently rely on independently making money through JFF would just disappear. There are no real porn companies capable of pushing back legally on hosts or the government that would be willing to take this fight on. And we wouldn't go back to a model of pornsites hiring models to make content either, if those pornsites can't find payment processors or hosts for their content. I know that realistically none of this matters. There's more to my life than this fetish and porn. I have a girlfriend who participates in the fetish with me and I feel fulfilled in many other aspects of my life. And maybe I'm deluded for thinking this way... but I see ABDL as a part of me that is only ever realized in brief flashes and glimpses of another reality. And good ABDL porn is like an escapist fantasy to that reality. Ideally, I'd like to see more quality ABDL porn made in the future and find a way to preserve the stuff that's already gotten made that's worth preserving. But if we're moving into a future where this stuff is just straight up anathema on the internet no matter where you are or what you're doing then I can't help but feel sad that we're losing out on it. Ridiculous, I know, but I hate the idea of us living in a society where it's near impossible to find ABDL stuff on the internet any more.

>>51076 It's scary that a person can write this much and still have so little to say. /abdl/ is not your blog. Yet you seem to have an awful lot to say about yourself in this thread. Literally count up the number of times you use "I" and "me", lol

>>51079 You're right. I probably am coming off a little too self-important there. IDK, maybe I'm on the spectrum or something. The reason I'm here is because I'm hoping for there's a better chance of real no-bullshit conversation than if I was posting on my tumblr or something, and I am thinking about everything through the context of my own experiences. But I want everyone else to say something similar. I want to hear what everyone else thinks. And their perspectives.

>>51080 >>51076 The real problem are the banks and credit card companies. They are the ones who are forcing this content off sites. I’m not certain why specifically this fetish is the that gets the axe most frequently, (if I had to guess it’s that it’s adjacent to juvenile themes and imagery, which is funny because the real pedofiles are the ones running the show, but w/e.) You could say that the fetish has an imaging problem, certain individuals stand out in that regard, but I would posit that the real reason is simply the rise neopuritanism. Society is heading a very sex-negative, heteronormative, regressive way. It’s pendulum theory in action, the push for social progress always invariably swings conservative after a generation or two. We’re headed towards major global disruption, who knows what the world will look like in 20-50 years. I kinda went off on a tangent, what are we talking about, diaper porn? I dunno man, just buy a hard drive and download what you can. I’m sure if you search around in old forums or get into some discords they’ll have some old stuff lying around. I think the time of mass sharing content like that is dead, but if you can find the right kind of circle of degenerates, you could at least larp like it was then.

>>51076 Real videos made with real diaper fetishists will always be better than fake "professionally" made videos with people who are only in it for the money and can't act. No amount of suspension of belief can make that porn worth paying for. If abdl porn gets banned or outlawed on most of the pay sites our community only benefits from it in the long run.

>>51098 I disagree. This might be a hot take but most of the JFF models who are out there making ABDL content are at least somewhat into this. If they wanted to just make easy money from doing porn ABDL is not the first thing they would default to. It requires too many hoops to jump through, and costs too much money to buy accessories. Not to mention the stigma. If they want to play around with fetishism in order to appeal to niche markets, there's easier stuff they could try first. And those JFF models are the ones who are the exact problem with the state of modern ABDL porn. There's no scenarios. There's no variety. It's just video after video of them quietly pissing themselves in diapers. Porn is going to be a certain level of bad no matter what. But porn sites who are hiring models for their looks and don't care about whether or not they're 'into' this stuff are going to get hotter women and usually try to do some decent scenarios. And that alone makes it a little better to me even if the acting and production is all ridiculous and stupid anyway. I'm curious who you think is out there making content that fits your level of authenticity and isn't charging for it? There's probably always going to be a certain amount of free content made from people who just like this stuff out there. But people are going to want to charge for quality content regardless of whether or not they're actually into this fetish. And porn bans are probably just going to mean we're going to see way way less of this stuff in general either way.

I used to think that it was hotter when the models identified as ABDL and were into diapers, but now I feel like it would be way hotter to just have attractive models that can act. Yes, acting in porn has never been that good, but if I could find something where the models understand the fetish and how to push all the right buttons, I don't care if they're into it themselves. The only content I can think of like this is some of the MDGF models- not diaper lovers themselves, but fetish models that have been informed of what it is about diapers that turns people on.

I'm always wondering if these here are "real" french diaper girls or also just actresses? https://buzzheavier.com/ojwh4vl21mn5 https://buzzheavier.com/x9n5agy46poa

>>51163 Acting in porn is always going to be bad no matter what. Even if the models themselves aren't into it, having a director or someone who's making decisions who actually is into this stuff would be the way to go because they know what's actually hot about this stuff and could maybe get the models to play that up. >>51169 I think at least a couple of the girls on that site are 'really' into it. IDK about all of them though. Wish I could speak French when I watch their videos too. I always feel like I'm missing something.

>>51171 speaking of french diaper girls, what happened to all of them? it's just been charlotte/lucy/gabrielle for a while. where did ange, joye, lola, lottie, and zoe go? as for how 'into' it they are, i think it's like a lot of people in the scene; they did not have diaper fetishes during childhood or adolescence but were introduced to the kink by the internet/at partner during their later teenage or young adult years, and now they're into it because it's fun.

I was just watching DiaperedXtreme's stream and apparently he got doxxed? And the UK is banning a wide swathe of various porn categories. IDK man I just can't help but feeling like we're fucking done for on the modern internet. Like everything is just downhill from here on out until society reshapes itself again in another 20 years or so.

>>51256 >apparently he got doxxed The nigger would stream diaper mods with his face fully in the videos, of course he got doxxed that faggot deserved it.

>>51259 He did a lot of dumb shit because he's an 80iq moron

>>51259 >>51262 I can't believe I'm having to defend this guy but even if he shows his face in videos I don't think that's justification for having people actively coming after you to fuck with your life. The people doing the doxxing would probably be just as happy to doxx everyone on this board.

>>51268 I'm not saying doxxing is ever warranted but >show your face streaming/video making diaper mods >post on youtube >early career is just making celeb diaper pasties idk what else that guy gets up to but if you act like a retard on the internet, there are those that will capitalise on your stupidity for their entertainment

>>51083 I'll throw my thoughts in. Credit Card companies are the problem. Give them the good faith agreement they had about 15 years ago when C4S started accepting actual CCs and not "tokens" through Verotel and they'll shut up. Threaten them and they'll do whatever is the most risk-averse move possible. If you don't want ABDL porn going away, get these models/studios to actually pool resources and find a lawyer willing to take their case and you'll solve your problems. Unfortunately most ABDLs are terrible at sharing and actually working as a team. As far as content goes, I wouldn't mind paid models faking it in a professional setting with maybe some genuine ABDLs mixed in or serving as "consultants" if it would get us something other than "girl with dildo rubs diaper" as the only video, shot vertical and headless. I can't beat off to that, it's boring. Models like SugaryLittle and LittlePrincessBug would be great if they actually showed their faces (SugaryLittle) or hired costars, shot horizontally (LittlePrincessBug) or bought an actual camera that didn't scream "I'm a whore with a phone" (both.) Neither has the production value of stuff from 10-15 years ago. Oddette Delecroix, Alliyah Taylor, and Daisy Elizabeth had far inferior equipment, but they told a story, showed their faces, and could work their equipment, and at least two of those ladies had an actual ABDL kink and weren't just doing it for the money. Faye on DiaperGal was one of the few who really had an ABDL fetish on there, but she obviously realized she could make more money on her own and she has. The only way this gets fixed is if the social media thots actually figure out they need someone with a camera and someone who can tell a damn story. The acting in porn will always be a little cringe, but it's better than the boring shit that's there now. The real solution for the stuff that exists now aside from panic archival is a platform like C4S/IWC/MV dedicated to diaper porn. If it requires payment through "tokens/crypto" so be it. At least the stuff will still exist. By the way, I haven't seen C4S pull any diaper porn yet. Was this total BS as suggested above, or are they just moving slow?

>>51287 this is why i think AI, if it continues to develop at the rate it has been, will just solve this problem entirely. if the video generation gets good enough, i can just type in the prompt: "generate a video that has dynamic, full body shots of attractive women, wearing diapers, that clearly have diaper fetishes and are into their kink and not just doing it for the money, tell a story, etc."

>>51289 It's possible but if the internet continues to get regulated to hell and back when it comes to adult content you can bet the same thing will be happening with AI. I think we're only a year or two away from much broader restriction on AI coming from the governments.

>>51287 >By the way, I haven't seen C4S pull any diaper porn yet. Was this total BS as suggested above, or are they just moving slow? IDK the details but a couple people on twitter said that they ran into roadblocks when trying to upload new content, but there haven't been any major takedowns of existing content as far as I'm aware.

Apparently accounts with diaper content on ManyVids are getting sent this today. ManyVids was considered the ABDL holdout compared to Clips4Sale. I don't know of any other pay-per-video sites hosting ABDL content now. This is the beginning of the end bros.

Well that just totally sucks. I always considered ManyVids worse than Clips4Sale. As they say in that screenshot, they never officially allowed ABDL in the first place, they just looked the other way because it was profitable for them. Clips4Sale looks like it's at least still hosting old material and not actively pulling anything yet. IWantClips HAS ACTUALLY REMOVED ABDL VIDEOS, and what's left is minimal. They did that around the time this thread was created. Unfortunately I don't have the cash necessary to grab the entire ABDL library on MV, but I'm going to try to grab at least one more video from there. Then it'll just be a matter of whether or not I keep my account as once they stop offering ABDL content they're useless to me. So far Clips4Sale is probably going to keep getting my business as they at least seem to be slow walking this as much as they can, unlike IWantClips which folded like a card table, or ManyVids which has always treated its ABDL creators and consumers like shit. By the way, why haven't any of you tech people on here tried to create the Clips4Sale of ABDL? My idea is a site that hosts ABDL videos as downloadable files and only takes payments in some form of tokens or crypto. Clips4Sale used to use "tokens" to get around their payment processor problem back when the credit card companies wouldn't support porn sites, and crypto seems like a natural extension of that. Reading this thread it's apparently the credit card companies that are the problem, so the solution should be to cut out the credit card companies, and then things could continue as they always have. Also, why isn't this getting more traction outside of 8chan? Reddit, X, ADISC, DailyDiapers, and pretty much anywhere else that involves AB/DLs doesn't seem to be raising an issue with this and they absolutely should be.

Autistic reply to my last message after doing some more digging on this. A quick Google search shows that ManyVids is moving swiftly and has already banned the words "diaper" and "ABDL" from new content. This came courtesy of LittlePrincessBug's latest tumblr. That's littleprincessbug4 for those of you keep track since her last account got yeeted... again. BUT WAIT, THERE'S SOME GOOD NEWS! So apparently Clips4Sale has been rejecting a lot of LittlePrincessBug's content lately, which lead to her posting screenshots of the "ABDL" and "diapers" banned words list messages from ManyVids, but she also shared a screenshot of an email from Clips4Sale. Unfortunately, the screenshot is so low res that you can't even read it, but I was able to make out enough of the shapes of the blobs to figure out what the words actually were. So the rest of you anons don't have to spend half an hour trying to read a blurry screenshot, I'm reproducing the entire email verbatim below, only adjusting a couple of special characters that 8chan doesn't seem to get along with like bullet points and m-dashes. EMAIL BELOW THIS LINE ---------------------------------------- >Thank you for following up and sharing your thoughts so clearly. We really do appreciate how open and invested you are -- not just in your work, but in helping us understand the impact of these changes from a creator's perspective. >To clarify, diaper-related content is still permitted on Clips4Sale. What's not allowed includes: >* Environments or props that resemble a child's room (e.g. cribs, stuffed animals in a nursery-like setup) >* Language, tone, or behavior that mimics a child's role >* Visuals that could give the impression of infancy or childhood, even when clearly performed by consenting adults >Items like adult onesies, pacifiers, or diaper usage on their own aren't automatically against the rules -- It really depends on how the overall scene is framed and perceived. We know the lines can feel blurry, and we understand that body type or style may influence how content is interpreted. This is why each scene is reviewed in full context, not based on any single prop or performer trait. >Regarding disclaimers: While noting that all performers are 18+ is always a good practice, unfortunately, disclaimers don't override visual impressions that conflict with our standards. The review process considers the tone, context, and presentation holistically. >We understand this is difficult -- especially for long-standing creators like you. Our goal isn't to exclude content, but to ensure what remains on the platform aligns with the standards we're required to uphold while still protecting creative expression within those limits. >If you're ever unsure about a particular setup or have clips you'd like us to review before posting, don't hesitate to reach out. >Regards, >Sasha >Content Compliance Team >(C4S Logo) ---------------------------------------- EMAIL ABOVE THIS LINE tl;dr Diapers on Clips4Sale are safe, baby diapers/Pull-Ups on Clips4Sale are safe, AB/baby diapers/Pull-Ups in a nursery scene are no longer allowed. ManyVids and IWantClips are run by assholes, so give your money to Clips4Sale instead and reward them for having the balls to actually continue allowing as much ABDL content as they can.

>>51579 Clips4Sale may not be entirely banning ABDL content, but it's on it's last legs there basically. And this still royally sucks for people who actually like the nursery scenes and baby roleplay. If Clips4Sale has to crack down any more, or if you're looking for more varied ABDL content, then there's just nowhere left to go.

i thought this is what you people voted for, since trump said he was gonna ban porn...

>>50611 It's Mastercard that's primarily behind this with Visa just going along with it. I wonder when Master Card's reckoning will come? I have a friend that used to work for Master Card's call center on the V.I.P. line and she told me their company policy is to enable financial abuse for high priority clients. There was a certain "celebrity" that would call in every day and "check in" on what his wife was spending money on and if she spent it somewhere without asking him first (like Starbucks, or McDonald's) he would start screaming at the phone agent and make them turn her credit card off and put a new password on the account so when the wife inevitably called in later crying because her card wasn't working they'd have to refuse to help her because she didn't know the password. Eventually the husband would call back in and say she "learned her lesson" and tell them to take the password off and turn her card back on. My friend tried to report it to her supervisor a few times saying it was financial abuse and they were obligated to report it to the police but she was told official Master Card policy was not to report crimes that involved their V.I.P. clients. These are the same people grand standing about you getting to see AB/DL.

>>51585 >Clips4Sale may not be entirely banning ABDL content, but it's on it's last legs there basically. ABDL content is not on its last legs on Clips4Sale, and it's certainly in better shape there than it is on ManyVids or IWantClips. At least Clips4Sale is trying to keep as much ABDL content as they can instead of just bending over and taking it up the ass because their payment processors are telling them to. Is this ideal? Fuck no, the argument should have ended at the words "consenting adults," but this is still better than IWantClips just disappearing their ABDL content and ManyVids banning the words "ABDL" and "diaper" from new content entirely. It still sucks, but at least Clips4Sale is providing some pushback and at the very least, seems to be listening to their creators' feedback. If the blowback gets intense enough, they might actually do something like push back against their payment processors. Rereading >>50829 feels borderline prophetic now. Clips4Sale used to use a Verotel "token" system when the credit card companies were too chicken shit to process porn payments. I don't know if Verotel still has a "token" system, but if they do I could actually see Clips4Sale going back to it, or even paying them to create a new one depending on how many creators and consumers collectively complain about this, and how many more fetishes the credit card companies come for next. The last paragraph of 50829 also mentions taking a handful of steps to shut the credit card companies up, and while those aren't the steps being taken, the concept looks like exactly what Clips4Sale is doing. They're throwing the credit card companies a bone to get them to screw off. >And this still royally sucks for people who actually like the nursery scenes and baby roleplay. I agree with you. While the nursery scenes and baby roleplay usually aren't my thing, especially with lots of baby talk, I know there are people who like those things. I'd rather we lose nursery and baby roleplay content than lose everything and I'd rather we lose nothing at all, but if the alternative is no diaper content whatsoever, shady sites and scammers exploiting the lack of reliable ABDL-friendly platforms, I'll take losing the nursery and baby roleplay content as long as the Pull-Ups and baby diapers stay, or teddy bears in a non-babyish setting are still allowed. >If Clips4Sale has to crack down any more, or if you're looking for more varied ABDL content, then there's just nowhere left to go. Win the battle you're currently fighting first, then worry about the rest of the war. IWantClips and ManyVids have effectively lost the "war" in this metaphor by purging ABDL and diaper related content entirely, or trying to. Clips4Sale has won the "battle" by removing some ABDL content and keeping the rest of it up. Now they can try and fight the rest of the "war" by lobbying their payment processors or trying to come up with a system like they used to have that works around those payment processors and hopefully one day again be able to offer the content that they've had to pull for now. Varied content is still an option, you just need to find more excuses to stick adults in diapers, and hopefully a few of them are only partially instead of completely contrived. If Clips4Sale has their hand forced, that'll be another issue to deal with, but for now at least they should be rewarded for defending ABDL porn. If you really want them to keep pushing back on their payment processors and allowing ABDL content, buy more clips from them! Money always talks, and if ABDL clips make enough of it, the credit card companies will eventually decide to begrudgingly look the other way because they want in on the profits. This is the same reason why credit card companies and banks that hated crypto are now all in on it. They figured out they could charge stupidly high fees on the stuff and now that they can profit from it it's no longer a "scam," or a "ponzi scheme," it's just another part of their business. >>51588 1. Don't blame me, I didn't vote for that stupid motherfucker. (Granted, Harris was particularly horrible to sex workers when she was AG in California, which is why a lot of them weren't actually as supportive of her as you might think.) These were both terrible candidates for porn, the guy in charge just has a party behind him full of religious stooges that actually want to ban it. 2. Trump never said he was going to ban porn, his toadie Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House did. That being said, a vote from a Trump with a Republican super majority is basically giving Mike Johnson the ability to do what he wants, at least until November 2026. 3. See #1 above. >>51589 I don't know who you are anon, but you're 100% right. Visa is going along with this because they don't want to draw the ire of the government, but Mastercard is the one that's pushing for it. Remember, these are the same Texas-based religious assholes who tried to deny consumers service for buying porn that lead to Clips4Sales original "token" system in the first place. Mastercard and Bank of America are actually two of the worst of the worst for doing what you describe too. I knew someone who was going to quit her Bank of America job until they moved her to the corporate client division because like Mastercard, they would tell their workers to look the other way for whales, and even cited Mastercard as the other company that was just as bad in this regard. Any client with a fat wallet got to do whatever they wanted. The people managing the accounts could tell who the drug lords, human traffickers, abusers, and other criminals were, but were prohibited from actually reporting these things to law enforcement. (They had to comply and turn over information if law enforcement came knocking, but they couldn't just take it to law enforcement themselves.) Mastercard is no better, if you're one of their major clients you can do actual harm and they're fine with it, but be sane, having a reasonable amount of money, and want to look at ABDL porn and you're a terrible person who shouldn't have any money. I'd like both Mastercard and Bank of America to suffer, unfortunately the latter seems to have gotten off the hook entirely for helping to destroy the economy back in 2008.

It's at times like this that I'm glad that I was always into 2D art and furry shit rather than live action porn. Not trying to throw shade at you guys, just honestly feel lucky. Patreon bans didn't hurt as bad since a lot of artists just uploaded their art for free

Well it looks like someone has decided to do something about this problem. Basically making it illegal and a civil violation for denying banking and processing services to any law abiding citizen or business. https://x.com/BaiserAlice/status/1946957581353677060 https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/401/text Also to put the argument to rest in the text of the bill it cites the reason for processors discriminating in the first place as "Operation Choke Point". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Choke_Point It was an Obama era initiative that made banks target and deny services to anyone doing business from a set list of "high-risk activity" one of which was pornography. In 2017 Trump struck down the initiative but by this point banks had already been handed down this power that they are currently abusing. So in short yes Obama's judicial department is at fault for this and Trump put an end to it.

>>52029 > Well it looks like someone has decided to do something about this problem. Basically making it illegal and a civil violation for denying banking and processing services to any law abiding citizen or business. It's honestly about time that something like this was done. > Also to put the argument to rest in the text of the bill it cites the reason for processors discriminating in the first place as "Operation Choke Point". It's highly fascinating that "Operation Choke Point" is what they're citing as the reason for this discrimination given that it was a spectacular failure right out of the gate. By 2014 the FDIC "guidance" on business to target was reversed and the thing formally ended with a whimper in 2017 under the first Trump administration. The people I know in the financial industry would point to USAPATRIOT/PATRIOT II and SESTA/FOSTA as the reasons for terminating perfectly lawful accounts out of caution as those are all still active laws. Still glad to see that there's finally some pushback to this.

>>52038 The Patriot Act expired under Trump's threat to veto it if they attempted another Patriot II authorization. As for SESTA and FOSTA their purview is very narrow and mostly well defined, basically if the bank/processors knows the business is committing sex trafficking then they have the right to refuse serving them. This is better defined than the Choke Point "If they are doing business in these following categories:" Which didn't even outline illegal businesses just ones the administration wanted shut down for political reasons, like ammunition sales, coin dealers, racist material, and of course pornography.

>>52043 I don't think either of them were really at play in regards to the act, as anon said the foundations for such systemic financial discrimination were already set in the 2000s.

>Steam and itchio have removed nsfw games because feminists pressured credit card companies this is all so disheartening.

It's probably all pointless but I liked this summary of things you can do to help push back against this: https://www.reddit.com/r/itchio/comments/1m83s71/things_you_can_do_to_counteract_payment/

>>52222 Nice quads anon. And it does seem like brigading can be a surprisingly effective tactic when it comes to this, as the last incident with Steam and Itch.io showed.

>>52168 they're conservatives. they claim to be for "women's rights" but they're evangelical christcucks.

Pretty sure they hit the JAV market already. They haven't had a new diaper one in 2025 so far, and usualy they get 4-5 per year.

>>52228 Is ABDL content being hit on JAV clip sites? I just know game sites like DLsite and manga sites have been hit hard: https://automaton-media.com/en/nongaming-news/japan-is-losing-an-archive-of-out-of-print-manga-because-of-international-credit-card-companies/ https://automaton-media.com/en/news/dlsite-disables-visa-mastercard-payment-after-attempt-to-outsmart-credit-card-companies/ https://automaton-media.com/en/news/access-to-adult-pc-games-shut-down-on-major-japanese-online-retailer-amidst-discussions-with-payment-processors/ https://automaton-media.com/en/news/award-winning-japanese-adult-game-developer-directly-hit-by-credit-card-restrictions-as-visa-payment-gets-suspended-on-their-web-store/ https://automaton-media.com/en/news/visa-japans-ceo-says-disabling-card-payment-for-legal-adult-content-is-necessary-to-protect-the-brand/ Some Japanese politicians say they're looking into it and were asking foreigners to help them compile information >>52222 >>52224 definitely it works, especially if you use strong language that makes it clear "You've just made it my mission to fuck you in every legally conceivable way" and mention anti-trust and litigation. What scares them? Real legal threads or a bunch of dried up Karens? (honestly don't know) You can also issue complaints to CFPB too ( https://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/ ), though it takes a few minutes. They say they anonymize any information in the reports but I wonder. Example letter for ideas (using Steam though): >I am writing to formally report and express concern over recent actions taken by several major payment processors—specifically Visa, Mastercard, American Express, and PayPal—that I believe constitute unlawful suppression of legal expression and potentially monopolistic behavior. >These companies have reportedly imposed content-based restrictions on platforms such as Steam and other online gaming marketplaces, pressuring them to remove entirely legal, fictional video games from sale. These games feature cartoon content and do not depict real people. They are fully protected by U.S. law regarding creative expression and consumer access. >The role of payment processors is to facilitate financial transactions—not to act as de facto censors of lawful digital content. When a handful of dominant financial institutions leverage their position to effectively ban certain types of expression by withholding services, it raises deeply troubling questions about free speech, fair competition, and due process. >Furthermore, I believe Visa and Mastercard, in particular, exhibit monopolistic characteristics that have allowed them to execute this overreach unchallenged. Their extensive control over the digital payment landscape puts them in a position to coerce businesses into compliance with arbitrary content policies. In my view, this is not only unjust—it’s dangerous. >I urge the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau to investigate these companies' policies and practices, to assess whether they violate existing regulations on consumer rights, financial access, and anti-monopoly law. If necessary, I believe corrective actions—including divestiture or regulatory reform—should be considered to protect American consumers and creators alike from ideological and economic gatekeeping. Just change out Steam or whatever vid site, then "gaming platform" for "video marketplace" or something and the field that asks "What would be a fair resolution to this issue": >Immediate Cessation of Content-Based Restrictions: Visa, MasterCard, American Express, PayPal and other payment processing companies should only block transactions that violate applicable law. >Creation of a Regulatory Review Panel: The CFPB could establish a neutral oversight body to evaluate complaints related to ideological discrimination and creative suppression by financial institutions. Currently, these companies use their market dominance to suppress legal expression. >Anti-Monopoly Investigation: Visa and Mastercard’s dominant market positions warrant a formal antitrust review. I think remedies may include mandating third-party access to payment infrastrure and splitting divisions within these companies. >I think Visa and MasterCard should further be subject to class-action legal penalties to the many parties they've harmed by these sudden and abusive actions.

>>52237 That's a solid statement outline, the fact that people already have plans for this outcome is giving me hope, just need to make sure the people who care about the matter also care enough to contact the authorities. I've seen people bandying ideas of calling Mastercard and Visa about, but contacting finance bureaus sounds even more effective when there's effectively a new monopoly developing, especially given the precedent that's been set with the ACLU petition.

https://avn.com/news/legal/eu-gives-platforms-12-months-to-deploy-strict-age-verification-179936 Looks like the EU is soon to follow the UK's example and start making it way harder to access adult content. This will either result in straight up bans like what happened with 4chan, or the complete sanitization of many sites that already were barely allowed to host NSFW and ABDL content nowadays. Despite the anti-sex attitude of the US. It's at least harder to do this here because of the free speech laws and values. But it's likely only a matter of time until the internet is scrubbed unless you retreat to the dark web or something.

>>52226 Based. 100% accurate unfortunately, these are the so called "good christians" who have nothing better to do with their time. >>52222 Not at all pointless in the slightest. The "mistake" is just linking to reddit instead of posting the message contents not only here, but also on that rathole tumblr and other sites. You might not use tumblr, but it's where the e-thots congregate, and where visibility might actually make a serious difference for our cause in particular regarding porn. For those who are too lazy to do it themselves, here's an altered version of the letter replacing Steam with the platforms we care about and altering the commentary where necessary for accuracy. For Visa: To the Board of Directors of Visa Inc., I am writing to express my deep concern regarding Visa’s recent actions in pressuring the adult entertainment platforms Clips4Sale, IWantClips and ManyVids to remove certain videos from sale. The targeted titles, featuring purely consenting adults, and clearly protected by existing laws regarding content creation and distribution—are fully lawful to possess, purchase, and produce. Your decision to enforce restrictions against them constitutes not only overreach but a clear suppression of legal expression. Such conduct, particularly when exercised by a corporation with Visa’s scale and influence, raises grave concerns about monopolistic behavior and abuse of market power, and I am convinced that your restrictions do not reflect moral concern but a harmful misuse of leverage over digital marketplaces. This issue is not merely of personal interest to me—it will define part of my political identity going forward. I intend to pursue every appropriate avenue to hold Visa accountable, including: 1.)Supporting legislation aimed at imposing regulatory oversight and restraints on your influence. 2.)Engaging with legal professionals to explore antitrust litigation and advocacy. 3.)Elevating public awareness of what I view as unlawful and unethical corporate conduct. 4.)Above all: Campaigning for regulatory actions that would result in Visa’s classification as a monopoly subject to breakup. Visa’s behavior demonstrates a willingness to suppress creativity and consumer choice for reasons that appear neither legal nor ethical. I urge you to reconsider your current trajectory and restore access to these lawful products on Clips4Sale, IWantClips, ManyVids, and elsewhere. Your continued conduct will be met with organized, political, and legal resistance. Sincerely, You, (state if applicable), MM/DD/YYYY For MasterCard: To the Board of Directors of Mastercard Inc., I am writing to express my deep concern regarding Mastercard’s recent actions in pressuring the adult entertainment platforms Clips4Sale, IWantClips and ManyVids to remove certain videos from sale. The targeted titles, featuring purely consenting adults, and clearly protected by existing laws regarding content creation and distribution—are fully lawful to possess, purchase, and produce. Your decision to enforce restrictions against them constitutes not only overreach but a clear suppression of legal expression. Such conduct, particularly when exercised by a corporation with Mastercard’s scale and influence, raises grave concerns about monopolistic behavior and abuse of market power, and I am convinced that your restrictions do not reflect moral concern but a harmful misuse of leverage over digital marketplaces. This issue is not merely of personal interest to me—it will define part of my political identity going forward. I intend to pursue every appropriate avenue to hold Mastercard accountable, including: 1.)Supporting legislation aimed at imposing regulatory oversight and restraints on your influence. 2.)Engaging with legal professionals to explore antitrust litigation and advocacy. 3.)Elevating public awareness of what I view as unlawful and unethical corporate conduct.

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4.)Above all: Campaigning for regulatory actions that would result in Mastercard’s classification as a monopoly subject to breakup. Mastercard’s behavior demonstrates a willingness to suppress creativity and consumer choice for reasons that appear neither legal nor ethical. I urge you to reconsider your current trajectory and restore access to these lawful products on Clips4Sale, IWantClips, ManyVids, and elsewhere. Your continued conduct will be met with organized, political, and legal resistance. Sincerely, You, (state if applicable), MM/DD/YYYY For Paypal: To the Board of Directors of Paypal Holdings Inc., I am writing to express my deep concern regarding Paypal’s recent actions in pressuring the adult entertainment platforms Clips4Sale, IWantClips and ManyVids to remove certain videos from sale. The targeted titles, featuring purely consenting adults, and clearly protected by existing laws regarding content creation and distribution—are fully lawful to possess, purchase, and produce. Your decision to enforce restrictions against them constitutes not only overreach but a clear suppression of legal expression. Such conduct, particularly when exercised by a corporation with Paypal’s scale and influence, raises grave concerns about monopolistic behavior and abuse of market power, and I am convinced that your restrictions do not reflect moral concern but a harmful misuse of leverage over digital marketplaces. This issue is not merely of personal interest to me—it will define part of my political identity going forward. I intend to pursue every appropriate avenue to hold Paypal accountable, including: 1.)Supporting legislation aimed at imposing regulatory oversight and restraints on your influence. 2.)Engaging with legal professionals to explore antitrust litigation and advocacy. 3.)Elevating public awareness of what I view as unlawful and unethical corporate conduct. 4.)Above all: Campaigning for regulatory actions that would result in Paypal’s classification as a monopoly subject to breakup. Paypal’s behavior demonstrates a willingness to suppress creativity and consumer choice for reasons that appear neither legal nor ethical. I urge you to reconsider your current trajectory and restore access to these lawful products on Clips4Sale, IWantClips, ManyVids, and elsewhere. Your continued conduct will be met with organized, political, and legal resistance. Sincerely, You, (state if applicable), MM/DD/YYYY _____ END OF TEMPLATES I can't make it easier for you guys than that. Just swap in your name and date, sign it and mail it or in the case of PayPal, email it. End of Part 1/Part 2 to Follow

Part 2 >>52224 It worked the last time they tried to come for the porn back around 2008 too. Enough people were already furious at the banks, that just gave them extra motivation. >>52248 >>52237 I completely agree about going to the various regulatory agencies with complaints. The only thing that scares a financial institution is anything resembling a whiff of regulation. The CFPB is actually a fantastic option. So is the FTC, especially in the case of Paypal which already has the corporate equivalent of a "rap sheet" with them for past bad behavior. DoJ Antitrust isn't a bad idea either, but the CFPB and FTC are more likely to get results more quickly if you have to pick two. Most importantly, I actually gave this a good bit of thought, and while I initially believed that S.B. 401 and H.B. 987 were dead on arrival given that they're both Republican-sponsored, purely Republican-backed bills that somehow don't have enough votes to even get any movement in a purely Republican-controlled House and Senate, I now no longer necessarily believe that to be the case. Democrats likely didn't want to touch these because it would have made lives easier for arms dealers and payday lenders, and their own constituency would have use a vote on these bills to primary them. However, those same Democrats now have some incentive as their constituencies often include a very large number of gamers and whether or not they like to admit it, pornographic content creators and to a lesser extent, consumers. (Sex workers hated Harris because of what she put them through in California. They hated Trump too for entirely different reasons, but Democrats did themselves no favors with sex workers in big liberal cities by running the woman who tried to destroy their careers.) In fact, if you're in a so-called "blue state," or one of those big blue cities, you might actually have a bit more leverage than the people in so-called "red states" by virtue of this being a Republican bill. If you're in a "blue state" or have a Democratic Senator/Congressperson: POLITELY write to your senator(s) and representative, and tell them that you not only support this bill, but that you want them to support it too. Remind them that they frequently claim to "stand up for the little guy," and then include a handful of links to examples of content creators who have directly had their livelihoods affected as a result of changes made to C4S/IWC/MV. Two or three links will suffice, and it's even better if the creators are in your state, but give them tangible proof that this is affecting real people. Tell them that you support small businesses, just like they do, and point out that the people being affected by the payment processors are effectively all small businesses and their distribution platforms. In effect, give them something to rally behind and a reason to support this bill by making it "the Democratic thing to do." If you're in a "red state" or have a Republican Senator/Congressperson: First, look at the two bills (I'll put links below,) and make sure that your Senator/congressperson hasn't already signed onto the two bills. If they already have, POLITELY write to them thanking them for their support of these bills, and encourage them to push for more movement on getting other Republicans on board and passing these bills into law. Right now these people have to defend one of the most unpopular budget bills in history, they are desperate for anything that will take attention away from the last bill they just passed that's causing their poll numbers to crater. Make these the bills that can do that. If your Republican Senator/Congressperson HASN'T already signed these bills, POLITELY write to them with a hint of tactful anger/righteous indignation. If they're up for reelection in 2026, (or even later this year,) congratulations, you have the easiest job in the world. Point out that you're frustrated with the productivity of the current congress, and that you're one of their constituents. If you actually voted for the person as a registered Republican, mention that, and then note that you're upset about how even with a super majority, the party can't get this bill that protects legitimate businesses passed. Point out that at the end of the day, these women are trying to run a business, and remind your elected officials that this is a bill their party introduced, and that supporting it is literally "the Republican thing to do." If you're in a "purple" state and have a mix of Democratic and Republican representatives: POLITELY write to all of them using a mix of the two techniques described above. Make these bills something that appeals to both parties. If you're in a swing state, this is the exact kind of thing that your elected officials dream of where they can sign a bill into law and blab about bipartisanship afterwards for the cameras. Democrats need to win back young voters and Republicans want their bill passed, the trick is to make these bills too popular for either party to not support. Senate Bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/401 House Bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/987 TIPS FOR WRITING TO YOUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES: 1. BE POLITE! Write the way you would write to your boss if you were asking for a raise. Be kind, tactful, and courteous. You want these people to actually listen to you, not just brush you off as a nuisance. This goes for the regulatory agencies as well. (Most of you already know this, but this is 8chan, so I'm saying it for the dimmer bulbs in the chandelier here.) 2. Letter writing is far more effective than phone calls, and phone calls are far more effective than email. Your letter or letters should be typewritten in either Arial 10pt or Times New Roman 12pt, (both of which are about the same size when printed,) and 1.5 spaced. Try to keep it to no more than a single page of printed text, and certainly no more than a page and a half. Print single-sided and staple the pages together if you need to do this. While your letter should be typed, your signature should be handwritten. Leave some room between "Regards/Sincerely" and your typed out name (three blank lines usually works,) and sign your name with a blue or black pen. Your elected officials love when you personalize your letters like that. Snail mail your letter. 3. If you know other people in your area who plan to write the same kind of letter, try to mail them on the same day or even at the same time. One letter is great, but when an elected official's office gets several letters on the same subject, at the same time, from several different people, they typically tend to take notice and pay extra attention to what is being asked of them. 4. KEEP AN EYE ON YOUR MAIL! After writing to your elected officials you will often receive a form letter/boilerplate reply back from them at the very least. Occasionally though you may get a personalized reply. Finally, someone should share this information with the content creators too. I know people on here love to shit on them, but getting a bunch of these women to actually write to their elected officials helps too, and given that a lot of AB/DL creators seem to be in California, Illinois, and Colorado, at the very least they can put some pressure on three fairly large states to actually do something about this issue. In the case of California, they're dealing with the fifth largest economy in the world, and even "local" laws can have a national impact as a result.

>>52168 >>52226 I know this gets repeated ad nauseam but it truly is 'both sides.' On the right there is still a large portion of the population that believes any expression of sexuality whatsoever is evil. People who legitimately dreamed up and advocated for stuff like Project 2025. There's also a smaller population of non-religious manosphere alt-righters who think they're morally superior for not looking at porn and think they can 'save the west' by banning it. As much as internet discourse on the chans loves to say that the left is full of degenerates, the truth is a staggering amount of people will immediately shut down any whiff of female sexuality if they think it would be appealing to men. This is not a grift, this is not a facade. This is legitimately how a huge number of feminist women feel in the modern day, regardless of whether or not it is consensual or fun. This is partially rhetoric and partially just their knee jerk reactions but just go on tiktok or instagram and despite all the thirst traps you see on there, you'll also see endless seas of women complaining about it using feminist language and talking points. In my city, there was a female politician years ago who spoke of wanting to shut down strip clubs under the banner of 'protecting women.' Look at this tiktok of this woman championing the banning of choking porn: https://www.tiktok.com/@professorp0rn/video/7517566945374309654 This woman is a prominent feminist figure. She wrote a book about her struggles as a female lawyer in the UK, and huge numbers of women are in the comments praising her views. No thought given to whether or not this stuff was consensual, no thought to education on how people can participate in kink safely. No thought to the idea that maybe people were into this stuff before the existence of the porn. Just completely irrational. It's a difficult situation because who is going to champion for porn and lewdness seriously on a public platform? Gooners do not have a public advocate or political party. I believe in freedom of expression, freedom of speech, freedom of artistic works to include what they want. I think these are ideas that transcend politics. But the left/right divide does not help us in this situation.

>>52355 I don't have much to add apart from the fact that you're largely accurate. It is a bit frustrating because it sounds so obvious and "boring" to state, but that does not change the fact that it is true. Sometimes the answer is just simple. Also, nice dubs.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/07/business/trump-debanking-executive-order.html Okay everyone, time to say thanks le orange man.

>>52848 It only applies to Religious and Political Debanking, but it's a step in the right direction. Now go after Visa and Mastercard.

>>52849 I agree. Not what I really want, but step in the right direction!

>>52867 I think we win, Bros. Porn games for all!

>>52876 The key words here are "on the basis of politcal or religious beliefs, or on the basis of the customer's... lawful business activities that the financial service provider disagrees with or disfavors for political reasons." Can you prove that nuking Age Regression/ABDL content is political? Can you do it in a court of law? If not than this isn't a win for us, if so than it might be at least for the time being. Right now it's not looking so good though. ManyVids just massively yeeted almost all ABDL content. Pick a creator, and go look at their page if you don't believe me. Women who had hundreds and hundreds of vids are now down to double digits, and some pages are just gone. Clips4Sale isn't doing this, but they're rejecting a lot of new stuff.

>>53129 Can you prove that it wasn't banned for Political or Religious reasons? You could argue morals and "brand damage," but whos morals? Right-Wing/Left-Wing Morals? Christian Morals?

>>53131 If it's a Feminist political movement arguing for it to be removed like Collective Shout a feminist political group from Australia, that argument kinda goes out the window.

>>53131 Everyone knows you can't prove a negative. The burden of proof is on the person/org making an accusation of wrongdoing. I have no idea where IWC is based out of, but from what I can tell C4S is headquartered in Cyprus, and ManyVids is located in Canada. You won't even be able to get them into court using an EO based in the USA. At most you might be able to drag their US-based proxies into a courtroom, but they'd just argue that it was a business decision, not a religious or political one, and to blame Visa/MasterCard for forcing their hand. Visa and MasterCard on the other hand are both American companies, and are effectively large, fat, slow-moving targets that you could definitely drag into a courtroom, especially with a good enough legal team behind you. The problem is that at least with Visa, you don't have a religious argument to even remotely stand on. With MasterCard, you might actually be able to make a religious argument if you could get it on record that religious views of the people who run MasterCard are fairly consistent, and that they're somehow infringing on your religious beliefs. Is there a religion that encourages AB/DL porn consumption or age regression? Is anyone on here willing to go full L. Ron Hubbard and actually create one just to force Visa/MasterCard's hand? Maybe Larry Flint would have back in the day, but I don't see anyone stepping in to fill his shoes. Your other option is to somehow prove that this decision is political. At some level it probably is political, but actually proving it in a court of law takes evidence that we don't necessarily have. And yes, Visa/MasterCard would absolutely argue "reputational harm/damage to corporate image" as their counterargument, as well as "the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason or no reason at all." Unfortunately their case is far easier to prove. >>53158 Obviously, but this is an EO that's only (barely) enforceable on US soil. You would need to find a group like Collective Shout! that's actively pressured Visa/MasterCard to force C4S/MV/IWC to change their policies in order to make this argument, need an American whose been affected by it, (can't buy AB/DL porn or can't sell their AB/DL porn,) and thus has standing to actually bring a lawsuit, and would then need lawyers capable of convincing a jury in a civil case that the decision was purely motivated by political reasons and not other factors. You'd have a better shot in this scenario, but even that isn't a guaranteed win. Right now the best options are to either force Visa/MasterCard to reverse their policy by publicly embarrassing them over this and making it into a scandal that won't go away until they change course, or to find a way to cut Visa/MasterCard out of the payment process so that their complaints don't affect C4S/MV/IWC. Come up with a payment method where their an irrelevance and you've solved the problem.

Clips4Sale and the other platforms are still cracking down on ABDL content. The pushback against the payment processors seemed semi-effective for steam/itch.io but it hasn't meant shit for porn. >>52848 The Trump debanking EO COULD be used to pushback against stuff, but it doesn't mean anything for us unless some of these companies actually DO START PUSHING BACK! Someone actually has to step up with a legal threat before this changes. The legal framework is there, they could push back, but no one wants to do it when the path of least resistance is easier and doesn't cost them much.

>>53412 > Clips4Sale and the other platforms are still cracking down on ABDL content. Clips4Sale has only been going after age regression content. I've been keeping an eye on them, and they don't appear to be removing anything yet, but they are actively denying new AR material. Other diaper stuff is fine though. >> 51579 looks accurate as far as C4S goes. Now ManyVids OTOH did a massive purge of diaper vids, but left some of them up. No clue why they were so random with their removal but they're awful and aren't pushing back. IWantClips has been even worse, but they were the first to remove diaper stuff so I can't say I expected better. > The Trump debanking EO COULD be used to pushback against stuff, but it doesn't mean anything for us unless some of these companies actually DO START PUSHING BACK! Someone actually has to step up with a legal threat before this changes. The legal framework is there, they could push back, but no one wants to do it when the path of least resistance is easier and doesn't cost them much. This right here is the real problem. C4S is pushing back by not banning diaper stuff entirely, but caving on AR content when they should be dragging Visa/Mastercard into court and seeing if Discover/Amex want some sort of sweetheart deal if they'll process payments for this stuff. The only way anyone is going to do anything though is if all of the horndogs on here and the models who actually have standing to bring a lawsuit start complaining more loudly and more frequently until the porn sites can't ignore the issue and push back, or the models start filing lawsuits for having their content pulled. Someone has to actually give a damn though, and actually be willing to make some noise and at the very least threaten some legal action. Unfortunately most people have no motivation to do anything that might require a little bit of extra work.