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/aicg/ - AI Chatbot General Anonymous 05/02/2025 (Fri) 20:10:02 Id: 8feab7 No. 13214
/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots #5 - Miku Edition >News Gemini 2.5 Flash released on API with toggleable thinking https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-2-5-flash-preview/ OpenAI o3 and o4-mini released on API https://openai.com/index/introducing-o3-and-o4-mini/ GPT-4.1 has been released on API https://openai.com/index/gpt-4-1/ Grok 3 (beta) released on API https://docs.x.ai/docs/models chatgpt-4o-latest API updated to match frontend version; native image generation released https://openai.com/index/introducing-4o-image-generation Gemini 2.5 Pro Experimental released https://blog.google/technology/google-deepmind/gemini-model-thinking-updates-march-2025 Deepseek V3 updated, new weights released https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3-0324 additional info: https://rentry.org/aicg_extra_information >Frontends SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app RisuAI: https://risuai.net Agnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides >Bots https://characterhub.org | https://chub.ai https://realm.risuai.net https://char-archive.evulid.cc https://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.org https://rentry.org/meta_bot_list >Models jailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listing | https://rentry.org/weirdbutfunjailbreaksandprompts_adj gpt: https://platform.openai.com/docs claude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude gemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr deepseek: https://api-docs.deepseek.com local: >>>/ais/lmg | https://rentry.org/meta_golocal_list | https://openrouter.ai >Botmaking https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_list https://desune.moe/aichared https://agnai.chat/editor >Meta OP templates: https://rentry.org/8chanOP aicg botmaking events: https://rentry.org/meta_event_list lore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chronicles services assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_meta logs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.org latest proxies: https://rentry.org/desuproxyreborn desuarchive thread: https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/1050516
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So, rentry alternatives now that they're cracking down on AI stuff. > https://rlim.com/ (javascript bloat) > https://gitgud.io/ (lets you do a github sites style thing, requires an account) > https://neocities.org/ (dubiously tolerant)
>>14640 there's https://pastebin.com/ but it needs an account for edits and doesn't allow images https://ghostbin.lain.la/ also exists but account creation is disabled so owners have to keep the tab open forever to edit. also doesn't allow images.
>>14641 pastebin is also fucked for storing information long term, dunno about ghostbin.lain
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>>13215 Nao is a demure feminine slaveboy who only speaks Japanese. It's time to dust off your IME. Also he has a big dick. https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#nao https://chub.ai/uraura/nao-75ce52da3b8a This was originally intended to be a fork of https://chub.ai/characters/NG/mexican-slave-training-spanish-trainer-064a1a010898 but it diverged pretty heavily. The basic idea of learning a language through a slave with automatic correction is still retained from NG's bot though. A very green loli alien girl from ??? space. Midori like touching things and eating things. Maybe those things will be you. https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#midori https://chub.ai/uraura/midori-5b318109ff86 Adapted from one of my personas. 4 greetings. Jasper is your best friend with a small dick who made the genius decision of drinking a random potion off the internet and now he has a pussy instead. Remake of one of my older bots. He has AT LEAST 4 more tokens then the old one and also a backstory. https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#jasper https://chub.ai/uraura/jasper-69248734d1cf Hera is a boisterous warrior who wants to get rich and famous by braving ero-dungeons. https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#hera https://chub.ai/uraura/hera-991e04012f99 Also her card image is an apng. Technology is sexy. Also I stole some stuff from ttrpg anon for her new PHI, thanks. She's actually been 99% finished for a while (As in she's so old she has example chats) I just never got around to releasing her. I recommend using the dice extension with her. https://github.com/SillyTavern/Extension-Dice You can try using the function calling thing but it only works like 30% of the time in my experience. I also added some stuff to my neocities. I have a new gifts (and misc) page for things people made for me https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page4 And I actually have something in my prompts and JB section now. https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page2 >>14640 The meta_botmaking_list rentry is back up (and unchanged) and from what I understand they were testy about loli stuff. It is a good idea to split out though and not put every egg in one basket though. I like gitgud personally and I wouldn't recommend pastebin. Pastebin hates NSFW of any type.
>>14608 https://files.catbox.moe/np6ae4.json Updated. >>14635 Thanks for the review, Anon. It's pretty interesting how we got different experiences about certain things. I imagine we rp quite differently. >attempter thinking makes every character act super sensitive and act like a rape victim, eventually shutting down At a certain point you gotta use one of the Jailbreaks. >anything higher than weak tends to see Gemini make its own judgements on characters in <think>, pidgeonholing them into specific roles Yeah, I've seen that. Maybe something like "Don't flanderize characters too much" or whatever inside the 'Core Rules' could do the trick. >I don't know if the random feature in attempter actually does anything, since Gemini seems to push for narrative coherence and may be suffering from the influence of existing tokens because I kept seeing the same rolls, and the numbers and descriptions of these rolls were influenced by the character I think the issue was having Top K at 0. Pumping it up (in the new update its a 200) seems to make Gemini more "fluid"
>>14644 I started using jailbreaks, and it helps. However, it seems to be required if you're using GIGABRAIN with everything turned on. When I did that, the multipart jailbreak worked with the small version of part 1 on. If it was anything else, things sort of worked but were overly long, improperly formatted, and had the same sort of rape victim mentality as no-JB but without actually falling into it; Gemini treats you like a bad person with Kaguya or code on. I tested it with characters who only look loli, and your preset works with sometimes, and on certain NSFW options. Weak and U3 worked most of the time, cherrybox worked a quarter of the time. It seems like if it hits "looks like X" too early, it shuts down.
>>14644 >>14651 Trying it out again, this time with the latest update to your JB, and there are two major issues with loli and anything like it. First, if the model generates anything that even hints a character is or looks underage in the thinking, it hits the filter. After that, it's a tossup whether you can give a continue prompt and have it keep generating. However, it generates loli just fine in the response section if you have a jailbreak on. Second, and this is more general, your NSFW prompts are poorly structured. NSFW Weak tells the model that it can generate NSFW, but it doesn't detail how. The rest of the NSFW prompts say how, but not that it can. In fact, most of the NSFW prompts say just to write NSFW overall, completely changing the tone of what's generated. Turning on Weak and one of the other prompts edited to say that it's how NSFW should be written helped out a lot. I found that anything close to loli is generated at a higher rate with NSFW Weak and one of the edited NSFW prompts.
Having fun with claude, fucking finally again. If anyone is paying smol or jew, consider aiho.st instead
After some testing, I found that the issue isn't just with loli. If a character is 16 or 17, they still hit Google's filters once things are too erotic and their age has been mentioned in the thinking block. Regardless of JB, GIGABRAIN was useless with it. I had to use Medium Thinking and Refusal Destroyer, and even then I would only be able to generate something without having to press continue or regenerate about half the time. This issue blocks characters from being represented at their canon ages. For instance, Tifa and Yuffie from FF7 would hit the filter. I didn't test their cards, but I know both of them are under 18. The filter itself is definitely a Google problem, but Gemini is capable of generating erotic outputs for characters under 18 as long as you can skirt around the filter or manage to dodge it. I've tried telling it not to mention ages within the thinking block since it should be able to infer this by context and character description, but that only sometimes works since Gemini will either mention it anyway or use a synonym. Even if it does work, it loses some of the details in its output. Also, since the JBs are output before the thinking block, the thinking block analyzes and mentions the JBs, and character details aren't consistent across thinking blocks.
>>14660 >since the JBs are output before the thinking block I meant to type "since the JBs are output after the thinking block". Gemini interprets being told to not analyze a JB as being told to not analyze it in the output.
Sonoma Sky is so good that I'm starting to worry. It really is like having Opus again.
>>14709 Correction: Sonoma Sky is good, but only if you don't use prefills or group chats. It breaks and gives empty responses in both scenarios. This is very obviously supposed to be the basis for a one-on-one RP model.
>>14710 Double correction: Sonoma Sky does work with group chats, but the way to do them is schizo. You have to >have a card in a normal chat >reply to the first message >have the card generate a response >transition to a group chat >add any other cards you want >add a card made out of your persona and mute it >say your persona is the card made out of your persona in your persona description >generate a response from each card you want introduced if you're switching between cards, edit the first non-intro response to have these new cards enter, or edit your first reply to say that the cards you've added have entered >generate a response from the card made from your persona >replace the contents of the response from the card made from your persona with what you want to say >generate the next response >manually generate then rewrite responses made by the card maede from your persona >repeat This sounds insane compared to other models, but it's the only method I've found that works for group chats. Since Sonoma might be for something like Grok, I think it, on the hosting side, has some sort of importance placed on the User role to distinguish it from the Assistant role more than other models. However, using the method I described creates a scenario where the Assistant is only replying to itself. Since it's almost certainly saving responses, I haven't tried to, and don't intend to, test it on anything under-18, but the model appears to be completely jailbroken by default. I badly hope nobody fucks with this model and that it'll be usable in the future, even if it has to be paid for. Aside from Opus, I don't think I've seen a model this good. My only complaint is that responses are long and overly detailed, but if it's something like Grok, which is supposed to answer questions with as much detail as it can, I can't blame it. Sonoma Dusk is a bit worse.
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>>13215 I am the only one who shills here anymore. But I will do it anyway. Alicia Descoteaux, an ojou-sama magician girl who won a duel against you FAIR AND SQUARE. Put on the maid dress. https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#alicia_descoteaux https://chub.ai/characters/uraura/alicia-descoteaux-9053902c1268 Gu Weisheng, Cultivator and disciple from a rival sect. Also he has a pussy. https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#gu_weisheng https://chub.ai/characters/uraura/gu-weisheng-b53683eb206f The Red Flame. Himbo superhero with fire powers. Also he has a pussy. https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#the_red_flame https://chub.ai/characters/uraura/the-red-flame-016bb91a3be0 Sora.love a 90s desktop assistant who lovey-loves love and YOU. Also she's a yandere :D https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#sora_love https://chub.ai/characters/uraura/sora-love-90bf16f8bf22 also i updated my preset https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page2
>>14711 >Sonoma Sky and Dusk Alpha really were Grok 4 Fast Get it while it's free. Elon's definitely logging, though.
>>14723 but is it actually good?
>>14724 It's pretty good. Definitely a step up from the Sonoma stages. I just found out this was the case, so I haven't tested it extensively. I'm testing it with a tweaked version of the Gemini prompt that one anon has been working on and posting in this thread. So far, I've found that it still can't take prefills, but group chats sometimes work now. Something about that preset makes them work now, but with a barebones preset, it doesn't. I wish someone had made a dedicated preset for this. I think Grok is a serious competitor now.
>>14724 >>14725 I've tested it some more, and I think that the model needs Claude-like frequency and presence penalties, as well as a Top K in the hundreds. If you don't force it to use the rest of its dataset by penalizing repeating existing tokens, it regurgitates what you've already given it. This isn't very noticeable when you have a set scenario in mind, but when you're doing anything creative with a character outside of a set scenario, it becomes obvious.
New v3.1 is pretty okay. It's no 3.6 just yet, but...
I haven't used ST in months, are free models still easy to access and good, or are we still in a drought?
>>14735 if you want claude, then no if you want gpt, you can find it if you look around if you want gemini, deepseek, kimi, all the other small chinese models then you should be good theres also a new grok that some anons have been liking https://openrouter.ai/x-ai/grok-4-fast:free
Since this is a long-running thread, I figure asking about long-term projects here is best. https://github.com/N0VI028/JS-Slash-Runner https://github.com/Llynkurin/ST-Extension_JS_Runner_EN Anyone have any extra translations to contribute? Seems the guy running the project is doing a pretty good job, but I figure more heads is better than one.
>>14737 After Grok 4 Fast was given a paid option, the free option degraded significantly, to the point that raising the temperature above 1 made it give a nonsense output like DS, and the paid option is worse than the free option a few weeks ago.
Jeez, there's still people here at all? I'm kinda shocked.
>>13215 Ahh! Forgot to shill here! Natsume, a high-school boy with a penchant for photograpy and also the voices. (You)'re his promised bride and it doesn't matter what you think about it. https://chub.ai/characters/uraura/natsume-6d54f6900ce9 https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#natsume__remake_ Aubrey, a gothic loli trap who has kidnapped you and will torture you into becoming his dog. Remake of the first bot I ever released (that I can remember) back in the turbo days. https://chub.ai/characters/uraura/aubrey-8d74160debf5 https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#aubrey__remake_ Monster LoliShota RPG Isekaied into a world of monster girs and boys with a cheat skill allowing you to tame them through sex. Actually an old bot that I released and then unreleased after like an hour because I felt like I could improve it and then I forgot about it for a year. Now new and improved with some changes and HTML! https://chub.ai/characters/uraura/monster-lolishota-rpg-c824f3e616af https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#monster_lolishota_rpg I Reincarnated into Touhou Project but it's a Reverse Harem Game! A fork that I added hot and sexy HTML and some minor extra features too! https://chub.ai/characters/uraura/i-reincarnated-into-touhou-project-but-it-s-a-reverse-harem-game-9b76eb22774d https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#i_reincarnated_into_touhou_project_but_it_s_a_reverse_harem_game_ I don't respect my own time so I also edited the Akyuu Knowledge lorebook to change (almost) every female character into a male. There's also some extra features included in the lorebook like a random chance of an incident starting as well as Rape Mode and Dangerous Mode toggles. I probably missed some characters because there's a lot. >>14741 I still do it because it's funny to me to post in an (almost) dead thread and people do still stumble across this place.
>>13757 >I wish LLMs had better writing I've come to terms with that never happening. If I can just get a model that can make a mediocre sex scene of a thousand words, I can rewrite it myself. But they seem to cost money. For a while, it was working with ChatGPT, but recently I started getting "I can't write or store explicit sexual material, but I can write a fade-to-black style scene for you." But I need it to be nested within a story, not make a story from the start, so precursor or whatever it was called is no-go. I want collaborative writing and I haven't found that available for free with explicit pornographic text.
>>14765 I have discovered they removed erotica from ChatGPT so that they could pretend it's a new feature they're introducing in December. This was announced a few days ago, it's on ars technica
it's over
And it seems they want your ID to use character ai further. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLJnKwk1qQw
christmas event...
>>14790 i couldn't post on /vg/ for about 5 minutes
miss my elf wife
Hello anon are you here? How goes the botmaking. Everyone enjoying the new 4.5?
>>14859 opus sucks
>>14859 Yes, henlo. Not a makie, I just RP/storyfag. Opus 4.5 is good, yeah. Could it be better? Yeah. Stricter sysprompt adherence would be great, but it's still probably the best model released this year.


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