>>17470 >It just seems strange that DC would delay comics because of supply chain issues instead of finding an alternative release method. Not really. They're delaying because there's no point in digital releases if it means they have to piss off comic shops and settle for less money in the process. >I can't image the average fan heading out to actually buy the newest issues of whatever is popular. It's no different than someone paying to watch movies in a theater than waiting for the BR or to stream it. Some people value the experience more than the product.

>>17478 But fans are not buying comic books because these companies pushed the fans away.

>>17419 >>17470 Speaking of comixology, Amazon is about to fuck it up and ruin their de facto monopoly on digital comics. Comixology's site will be folded into Amazon itself, and bunch of useful features will now be gone. Good bye to tailored recommendations, search that is not bloated with irrelevant results, browsing books by publisher, and DRM-free backup feature. If Amazon actually goes through with this, they will leave a gap in the market. Dark Horse has a functional digital comic store already, so if someone there has a brain, they could turn it into steam of comic books. Especially if they would leverage their ties to Japanese and European industries. https://archive.ph/db19Z >>17479 At this point it's only retarded collectors and idiots obsessed with their favorite capeshit character giving Marvel and DC money.

>>17482 So consumerist normalcattle?

>>17470 >Are most physical comics mainly sought out by collectors or enthusiasts? The DC Looney Tunes, Animaniacs, and Pinky and the Brain comics are clearly made of gold to eBay sellers. For a two comic lot, you pay about $20 plus shipping and now state tax. I think the DC Hanna Barbara comics are sought after now.

>Headlines about Ching Chong and the legend of the ten Bing Bongs breaking "labor day records" What labor day records even exist? Is this some bullshit to make something seem like a success when in reality it probably did not make that much compared to previous and more recent MCU movies?

>>17596 That's exactly it. It hasn't even made back it's 150 million dollar budget yet. Which doesn't account for advertising costs.

>>17596 Nobody goes to the movies on Labor Day, it's prime barbecue and grill-out season. >>17601 >master of unarmed weaponry-based Kung Fu W-what?

>>17604 >W-what? convoluted way of saying "he punch"

>>17601 Where is the budget amount?

>>17615 Google.

>>17604 What everyone outside of China means when they say "Kung Fu" is actually a very broad fighting system that does include several options for weapon based combat, so specifying "unarmed" is legitimate (even if it is the default assumption). No excuse for "unarmed weaponry-based" though.

>>17616 I meant in the pic if I was missing it somewhere

>>17637 No don't worry. It's not on the page itself.

Marvel is suing heirs of Ditko, Stan Lee, and Gene Colan. It's to prevent terminations of copyrights. Termination of copyright means that heirs would be able to reclaim the copyright, or have a stake in them. https://archive.ph/v1Wfu >The lawsuit aims for a declaration that the flagship superheroes be ineligible for copyright termination. >The stakes are quite high since Disney could face shared ownership of the characters, all of which are collectively worth billions, as proven by the Marvel Cinematic Universe franchise. >The head of Steve Ditko’s estate filed a notice of termination on Spider-Man in August. >In this instance, Marvel would be forced to hand over Ditko’s rights to the heroes in June 2023. >Back in May, Marvel writer Larry Lieber filed over what he had created. He was vital back in the 60s and 70s in the creation of Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man, and Spider-Man. >heirs of Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, Gene Colan, and the creator of Black Widow Don Rico are represented by Marc Toberoff >The intellectual property attorney is best known for representing Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster in a failed termination from DC for Superman. >Marvel is represented by Dan Petrocelli of O’Melveny - he represented DC in Superman termination case >If the plaintiffs win then, the Mouse House could hold on to some of the rights of the characters while sharing it with the heirs of the creators >Ruling would only apply to the U.S. market This could be pretty interesting. I hope heirs win, because the U.S. copyright system is stupid, and Marvel fucked too many people out of their money. Based on the lawyers Marvel has the advantage unfortunately. Maybe judge will be more sympathetic to heirs this time.

>>20538 Depends on the judge ultimately. Marvel really doesn't wanna lose their cash cows. Even if they don't pull in money anymore since Endgame.

>>20538 When's the case? I'm starting to enjoy spectating important trials after the Rittenhouse thing.

>>6778 This reminds me, anyone got the archives of the Hellcat threads from the old 8chan?

>>20538 Most likely won't happen. But I hope Marvel looses their suit. As it's about time these woke jackasses get really fucked over.

>>13623 can't / breathe

>>15512 >This is like if someone is trying to talk about the real Star Wars movies and you start trying to make it entirely about the Disney ones. SJWs are most of the current comic book industry. Happy now you semantic faggot?

>>15799 Why exactly did Atlantis and Treasure Planet flop? I've always loved those movies, and Atlantis did well enough that they decided to milk it for a sequel, so was that even really a flop? Was it just poor money management?

>>20829 > and Atlantis did well enough that they decided to milk it for a sequel If you're talking about Milo's Return, that was a failed attempt of starting a new cartoon series. They planned on Atlantis being such a hit that they already had a cartoon show in the works and retrofitted the old 20,000 Leagues ride at Disneyland to be themed around the film. However, they were so "disappointed" with it's performance that they just left the ride abandoned for another decade (Where it just collected dust, until they made the new Finding Nemo themed ride), and cancelled the show in favor of splicing together the then three already produced episodes into a D2V film.

>>20830 Ah, so they counted their chickens before they hatched and when it was successful, but not successful enough, they canned it. God I hate suits.

>>20829 I always respected Atlantis for getting actual linguists to put together the language. As a kid, that made me geek out. But I was a fucking lunatic on the top end of the bell curve as a kid, so I know literally no one else in the target demographic cared one iota about that. It still makes me upset, of course. People aren't allowed to put their passion into anything because it would be "boring" to kids, rather than fascinating like it was to me. I think maybe the lack of interest in the series was the combination of alternate history AND fantasy elements. Most people are confused enough by real history to not like alternate history on its own. Or they wind up believing it's real, as proven by neurological studies. They made people read historical accounts, then watch film dramatizations of the events, and then quizzed them on the truth later. Regardless of whether they watched the film first or read the account first, the vast majority believed that the film's account was true, over the book's. Further studies on visual media have shown that the brain can't distinguish it from real events. So when you're inundated exclusively by, say, jewish propaganda for 75 years--pushing a singular narrative of "how the world is"--people subconsciously start to behave as though what they see in the film is acceptable behavior. Anyway, alternate history is a niche, so people may have been turned off by the Victorian-style high tech equipment (that we didn't have back then, creating an incongruity). Further, making an audience accept both that AND the magical fantasy Atlantis light beams in the same film was perhaps too much suspension of disbelief. I didn't have a problem with it as a kid (magic vs. tech is always a cool idea), but as an adult I just want more concrete knowledge about how it works, which tells me they played it too fast and loose for the story to have real weight. The magic stones are an energy source (for power generation, for gravitic engines, for particle shielding, etc.) AND somehow also keep people alive for dozens of millennia, just by wearing them? "It's magic" is too threadbare an excuse and removes the real stakes to the plot, because it can do anything. Kida's tits weren't a Mary Sue, but the stone dangling between them was. As for Treasure Planet, I only saw it once. Can't quite remember why it would have failed, but maybe the same reason? "Sci-fi tech should solve these problems for the crew, so the artificial restrictions established by the narrative break the suspension of disbelief"? Also breathing in space bugged the hell out of me as a kid, but again, I was way up there on the bell curve.

>>17417 Seems to me like all they'd have to do is set up a subscription service through, say, Apple's iBook Store. Five bucks a month (please tell me that a single issue of a comic book still costs less than that) to subscribe to any one of the franchise's current lineup, and then every month the new issue downloads to your tablet so you can read it there. Certainly they could make it LESS than five bucks a month per issue since you're not actually paying for physical paper and ink, and that has value to some folks... They could even bundle in little details like short animations in a panel. Or use the device's accelerometer to simply give the characters parallax against the background. And a toggle button to remove the dialogue so that you can appreciate the artwork in a clean form. But hey, that's actual work, and we know that the industry doesn't give a shit about that anymore.

>>20832 >As for Treasure Planet, I only saw it once. Can't quite remember why it would have failed, but maybe the same reason? There was also Titan A.E., which bombed for who the Hell knows why. For some reason, sci-fi animations just don't seem to sell well.

>>20834 Hey, that, too. I loved Titan A.E. as a kid. It was different; I think that was the "problem."

>>20832 Nice citations faggot, but if what you say is true, freedom of speech and expression is a threat to humanity and should be abolished. >>20830 Already gives a better explanation than you, and I recall there was suit fuckery in what killed Treasure Planet too. Plenty of successful movies have macguffins of power and "it's magic, I don't have to explain shit" in them. You're just using this this to blogpost about how "intelligent" you are.

>>20836 >Nice citations faggot Hey, sure thing. Thanks for asking. Studies on human psychology have shown that an individual’s reaction to content has less to do with their personal tastes and more to do with how the crowd reacts. This is also why the concept of “mob mentality” exists, where people’s actions are driven by the perception of “what everyone else is doing.” It’s also the reason for laugh tracks in television shows. Laugh tracks tell you what parts of the content are funny. Even when they’re not, or you don’t think so. It’s peer pressure, just like applause, and psychologically hijacks your brain to induce laughter. * http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/clappers.shtml * https://archive.md/Kzvts * https://archive.md/6Tuq9 The effect of film content upon emotions is greater even than that of music. The ✡Steven Spielberg✡ movie Jaws elicited such an emotional fervor over the supposed threat presented to humans by sharks that thousands of them were killed en masse by fishermen looking to preempt a real-world example of the events shown in the film. Top Gun increased US Navy pilot recruiting. The Karate Kid caused an explosion in desire for martial arts classes. These are real-world economic changes, caused entirely by the emotions people felt after watching a movie. * https://archive.fo/ygM8I * https://archive.fo/nYEPp Imagine what might happen if a film was produced solely to cause an economic boom in an industry. A propaganda film, extolling the benefits of said ndustry and its products. Or perhaps one which denounced an industry, causing stores to go bankrupt. What if the film was a lie? What if its producers just wanted the industry out of the way, because it interfered with their religious worldview of global domination? All they’d have to do is make a film that stirred up people’s emotions in just the right way. And the people would believe the fake film was real. * https://archive.fo/LOX1I * https://archive.md/bazoh * https://archive.md/3tk67 * https://cognitivesciencesociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/CogSci04.pdf (pages 500-505) A name is even given to one of these psychological perversions–the CSI Effect. People who have viewed the television show CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (and similar shows, such as NCIS, Perry Mason, or Law & Order) believe that the real world legal system works as it is portrayed in these shows. People even believe that Judge Judy (the titular character is a jew, by the way) shows the “traditional” role of the judge in a courtroom. The reality is far removed. The CSI Effect has damaged the ability of real courts to judge the law, as jurors are unaware of the legal validity–or lack thereof–of certain behaviors or types of evidence. Films presented as “historic” representations of the world which have anachronisms–errors in content out of place for the period they represent–are damaging to our understanding of history, and therefore of our present and future. This damage is well known and exploited today. * https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1747-4469.1986.tb00242.x * https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?collection=journals&handle=hein.journals/judica86&div=15&id=&page= * https://archive.md/uCDpX

>>20836 >freedom of speech and expression is a threat to humanity and should be abolished As to your "point" (which you believe to be reductio ad absurdum), there's a damn good reason why egalitarian democracy has never been allowed in history, and every time that it HAS been allowed, the nation in question has collapsed in under 137 years (there's a "half life" of generational preservation of cultural norms). This is also well documented. So yes, "freedom of speech" (you don't understand what that phrase actually means) should be abolished. Not all opinions can be allowed to be spread. You're predicating your claim on an inherent equality in ideological beliefs, which you can only think if you believe that objective truth doesn't exist. "I have the right to say [x], even if it's completely false, because freeze peach!" you claim, but you don't have the right to impose [x], which is what mass broadcast propaganda does.

>>20832 Atlantis failed for many reasons. Most of them boil down to bad timing. 2001 was a time where 3D animation was taking off. Shrek, Toy Story, and Moster Inc were seen as innovative and they were better at catering to children as well as parents than vast majority of 2D animation put out by Disney. Then there was always a gaggle of idiots who get butthurt when Diseny movie has no songs and musical numbers. Target audience was another big problem. Atlantis was aimed at teenagers and kids approaching teenage years. Especially boys. That's around time American kids traditionally branch out into matching more live action stuff, get more responsibilities, get interested in opposite sex, etc. That makes getting audience's attention more difficult, and Disney's association with "little kids' and girls' movies" certainly did not help. If Atlantis' target demographic wanted animation, they could have watched DBZ, Naruto, or any other anime. All of them were edgier and more action packed than anything Disney ever put out. Atlantis was initially meant to be edgier and more complex too, but Mouses toned everything down. Some of it supposedly motivated by hysteria around Columbine. Not to mention PlayStation 2's impact. It released barely a year before movie premiere. Most teenage boys probably preferred to stay home with their games, and they were likely looking forward to games like GTA3 more than any film. Quality of the movie played a role too. Atlantis was not that good. Plot was pretty formulaic and Pocahontas-like. Pacing was off. It would not hurt to flesh characters a bit more too. The whole film is carried by visuals and initial premise. I did like it as a kid and still do, but mainly due to subject matter, visuals, and novelty. If you are not someone who spergs out about ancient and lost civilizations, animation, or early 20th century era of invention and exploration Atlantis has little to offer. It was derivative too. It ripped things wholesale from Stargate, Nadia: Secret of Blue Water, both much better than Atlantis. It is especially bad with Stargate since it came out not long prior to Atlantis and was a huge hit. Generic films can succeed (just see Avatar) but they need a gimmick with wide appeal, lots of marketing, or weak competition. Atlantis had none. Disney picked the worst time to try to branch out to older boys and teenager demographic and did not put enough effort into it. Atlantis would probably do much better if it was released at least two years earlier. Going with more off the wall ideas and not toning it down would go a long way too. >>20835 >>20834 A lot of issues that apply to Atlantis' failure apply to Titan AE too. Fox's animation division was going through a rough period, so movie suffered from a lot from that a lot on top of it. Just like Atlantis it would do better if it were made and released in 90s.

>>20853 >more subjectivist nonsense I just wanted to talk about media, damn it.

>>20834 It was the early 2000's and such movies were deemed so for nerds. Even with the Maxim stunt and A-list cast, Final Fantasy: Spirits Within was still met with mixed reviews. It was the same for Heavy Metal 2000.

>>20838 Even tho you could make some sense. Anon cmon >craked Is not a source to cite in any discussion, it's on the same level of CH or the onion. Here's literally the end of the article you posted "This is why, when some people point out how racist the Lord of the Rings stories are (i.e., orcs are evil by virtue of being born orcs, dwarfs are greedy because they are dwarfs, Aragorn is heroic due to his "blood"), it's both correct and unfair. It's correct because, yes, that is the way Tolkien's universe is set up -- nobody in the stories hesitates to make sweeping generalizations about a race, and they're always proven right when they do. Frodo's magical sword didn't glow in the presence of enemies, it glowed in the presence of a certain race (orcs). Go write a movie about a hero with a gun that glows in the presence of Arabs. See what happens. But it's also unfair, because Tolkien clearly didn't sit down and think, "I'm going to increase the net weight of racism in the world in order to firmly establish white dominance! And I'll do it with elves!" He was just writing what he knew. Of course a guy born in 1892 assumed that Nordic races were evolved and graceful, that certain other races were born savages and that midgets love axes. Hell, he could have been the least racist person he knew, and he'd still be the equivalent of a Klansman today. Whether or not the agenda was intentional is utterly irrelevant."

>>20828 That wasn't the argument being made in the post you quoted. The argument being made wasn't that you didn't say "most," it wasn't about percentages, it was clearly agreeing with you in the assessment of the current industry. The point being made is that the current industry is an anomaly that does not reflect the broader history of the industry, and the complaints about it should specifically be directed to the modern industry, as to imply things were always like this is simply incorrect. To continue with the Star Wars references, Anakin Skywalker was killed by Darth Vader, from a certain point of view. The current industry is not the same as the one that existed from the 1930s until like five years ago. It didn't just evolve, it got taken over. Even the specific part you quoted obviously isn't even about percentages. If someone is here talking about Star Trek TOS, to jump in and act like Discovery or Picard are really the same thing is missing the point. >>20833 They've had subscription services for a long time but they suck. For example, you'd think they'd have practically every comic the company ever published. Nope. Despite how important continuity is, what you get is a random smattering of issues. You can't just sit down and read every issue of Amazing Spider-Man in order. I also understand there are some cases where particular things have rights problems. Like that issue of Marvel-Team Up where Spider-Man meets the Not Ready for Prime-Time Players and John Belushi fights The Silver Samurai is missing from the Essential Marvel-Team Up collections, but missing that issue is a lot more understandable than just missing random issues of the original Clone Saga or whatever. But then again, to do sit down and read all of Amazing Spider-Man without also reading Spectacular and Team-Up and Web Of and all the other Spider-Man stuff would still leave out most of the story. You need all of that. And actually, what would really be useful would be different ways to sort things, like not just every issue of a series, but every appearance of a character sorted by release date. Hell, every comic they have on their service, sorted by release date, should be an option. Actually, custom lists would be useful too, and users could share them, because sometimes getting a full story, especially in modern stuff, is just a huge clusterfuck. Especially when it's a character that has multiple series that take place in "the present" but all release at the same time and all end every issue on a cliffhanger. What they need is a subscription for a reasonable price, obviously no more than Netflix, that has every comic the company has the rights for, maybe with exceptions so that a comic gets a grace period of being published for like six months to maybe two years before getting added to the subscription service, because I know they want to try to make money off selling new stuff individually, but a subscription even just for old stuff would still be good. Add some quality of life stuff like the sorting options I just mentioned, which should be trivially easy. And of course make sure the basic reading experience is adequate, with decent zoom functions and all that. These things don't sound like they should be very hard, but it's more than any comic company has been able to do. If they did, they'd probably make some money. But they are just too damn stupid. >>20839 >You're predicating your claim on an inherent equality in ideological beliefs I don't see where he implied this. There are plenty of other arguments in favor of absolute freedom of speech. For example, one argument would be that you're precisely the type of person who will be silenced once anyone gets enough power to silence masses. Hell, by the fact that you've been chased all the way to this dank corner of the internet, we can see that they've already been trying to silence you. People shouldn't have that kind of power. >>20899 I know you're criticizing the quote, but goddamn I get so triggered every time Tolkien gets called racist for his characters broadly generalizing about races, when his stories go out of their way to also show the individuality of members of almost all of the races. The whole point of the Fellowship and Gimli and Legolas becoming friends is basically multicultural teamwork teaching them racism is bad. And while we don't see any "good" orcs, they are given a lot more humanity in the books than people might notice in the movies. Must be because Peter Jackson hates black people. Even though black people do appear in the books and specifically aren't orcs, but the movies didn't make that clear enough I guess. Well I suppose we gotta cancel Peter Jackson now.