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Superman Anonymous 07/17/2025 (Thu) 04:11:28 No. 53905

Not just specifically for the new movie but Superman in general if you wanna talk about the character. It was suggested to me to make a thread separate from the Pain Thread to talk about the movie. I'll reiterate my thoughts here but feel free to look in the Pain Thread as well. I surprisingly really like James Gunn's Superman. I say this as someone who mostly hates the changes to characters he did in GotG & definitely don't like his Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, or Creature Commandos stuff. Maybe it's because Superman is so much more restrained compared to Gunn's usual self. It's not constantly throwing jokes at you or mean spirited. And let's get this out of the way again. Both Gunn brothers comments about the movie being about immigrants is in the same vein as Starship Troopers "saying" the humans are the bad guys. It's flat out wrong & just the director's own attempt at pushing his politics. The word immigrant never comes up in the movie. If you just had to reach for a comparison, Superman is still an "immigrant" who completely assimilated into American life. Which really goes against the pro immigration narrative as most don't do this anymore. Nor is it a take down on Israel for their warcrimes in Gaza & Palestine as a whole but would be fine if it was intended that way. But yes if you've seen certain leaks from months back, some are true. The Jor-El & Supergirl leaks are true. The latter we kinda knew beforehand with the fact her casting was announced so a cameo was guaranteed. The Jor-El stuff will remain contentious even if the comics had a similar idea back in the 80s but people are only used to the Donner idea of Jor-El from the movie. As for why I enjoy this new movie so much, it's just a nice entertaining movie that, despite it's costume designs, feels the closest we've gotten for a long time to an unashamedly comic book movie. Not completely irony poisoned that it can't take anything seriously like any MCU movie. It understands Superman as just a good man who wants to protect & help. Not as an angsty loner burdened by power constantly at war with himself over doing the right thing. Some may not like it but the inclusion of the 'Justice Gang' helps expand & establish this world as having superheroes already in it without going right into the big names that will eventually form the Justice League. I also like how Luthor isn't a giggling platitudes spouting freak but an actual cold calculating envious man with a superiority complex. I want to see more of this universe with this same kind of energy even if I am still wary of where James Gunn will go with it through explaining things like Peacemaker. If he can just keep a tone & style closer to this instead of Creature Commandos then there's a chance. We'll all really see once Supergirl comes out next year.

Anonymous 07/25/2025 (Fri) 21:09:08 No. 54823

Full look at the murals displayed in the background inside the Hall of Justice for Superman. Not just the traditional JSA but a lotta obscure pulls. This either means a lot of heroes existed before Superman & the Justice Gang or maybe it's like the comics where they existed in another universe but are fictional here.

Anonymous 07/26/2025 (Sat) 04:42:55 No. 54873

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>>54823 And a better look with the full murals. This seems to give a pretty good timeline idea of when these heroes existed. Ending with Maxwell Lord. So that does sorta hint they are/were real heroes.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 03:49:10 No. 55154

Superman is about to surpass Man of Steel's domestic box office.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 11:33:11 No. 55159

>>55154 >Buh-buh-but get woke go broke!

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 12:32:22 No. 55160

>>55159 No, niggerpill. The movie isn't woke. The only "woke" aspect is Perry White being race swapped black for no reason because he doesn't even do anything & Mr. Terrific has a prominent role as the token black guy.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 21:01:06 No. 55170

>>55160 <A movie that is Pro-Immigration isn't "woke"

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 21:03:05 No. 55171

>>55170 It has literally nothing to do with immigration. Clark is only the way he is because of a broken message from Krypton motivating him to use his powers but as a person is only as good as he is because of his Kansas upbringing with the Kents.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 21:15:28 No. 55172

>>55171 <A movie who's central premise is about immigrant who "Dindu Nuffin Wong" and is "unjustly" hated because of the rest of people evil isn't "woke" So I take it that the DMC cartoon wasn't "woke" either?

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 21:28:35 No. 55173

>>55172 You're the same guy from the pain thread being deliberately obtuse aren't you? Edgy Indian DMC is very blatant propaganda & social commentary. It straight up doesn't exist in the Superman movie. The Gunns are just bullshitting. Watch the actual movie first before making baseless accusations.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 21:57:00 No. 55177

>>55173 >It straight up doesn't exist in the Superman movie So the movie's central pemise IS NOT about Luthor using an uneditted recording from Clark's parents, explaining how they want him to conquer and enslave the Earth, for the purposes of decreditting him? And the film DOES NOT resolve that partially by showing people that Luthor is a big-mean man who hates ~~non-whites~~ aliens, and that Supes is a good boy who's a better American despite being an alien than homegrown American Luthor, and it all just "resolves" itself without ever addressing the fact that there's an entire race of people out there who seek to conquer the world and everyone in the world was just made aware of that fact and three of the people belonging to that race (Supes, She-Supes, and his clone) live in our own backyard. If you want us to completely exit the entire discourse of modern politics, the Niihau incident was all it took to convince the nation that they were right to intern every single Japanese-American over 80 years ago. Now here's a film about an alien who can level buildings with a single fart, fighting other beings with similar (Though lesser) abilities, and said alien has been making all his life goals centered around fulfilling a message sent from his parents, and said message in it's entirety is calling for him to conquer the world. And it doesn't matter that his version is a "fragmented" message, no one is going to buy that. How are people suppose to take that? Much more, how does one actually disprove any of the fears that video is going to cause? It's not going to take a simple apology tour. And no matter what Supes does, people will constantly be looking over their shoulder because they cannot trust the guy because it could all be a ruse. The film is stupid and doesn't work. And the only way you can make "sense" of it is for the purposes of using it as an allegory for illegal imigration. Which, wouldn't you know it, the film's own director even says that's exactly what the film is about. I don't need to "see" the movie to know it's propaganda.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 21:59:26 No. 55178

>>55177 None of that has to do with a pro immigration narrative. He never even refers to himself as American. Only that Superman is more human than Lex because he's not fucking evil. You're still reaching for something to be angry about. You're literally going full schizo ramble.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 22:05:28 No. 55179

>>55178 >None of that has to do with a pro immigration narrative Yes, it does. It compares quite similarly to the problem with Sandniggers. Where we're suppose to let in "all" immigrants to first world nations despite jihadists outright declaring that they want to destroy our nations, but we're suppose to "ignore" all that because it's "only a few bad apples". >Only that Superman is more human than Lex <An alien being is "more human" than a human And you're trying to convince me that this film ISN'T woke >because he's not fucking evil So all "evil" beings in existence are not human, but all the "good" beings in exstance ARE humans. In other words, according to this films logic, it's possible for an eldrich god to be more human than human Hillbilly Bob living in the Appalachians because the elbrich god is "good" but Hillbilly Bob committed incest and that makes him "evil". Again, you're trying to convince me that this film IS NOT woke?

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 22:22:42 No. 55180

>>55179 No. I will explain this simply. Again. The crux of the plot is that Clark via Lex learns the full context of the message from his parents was completely selfish intentions. It's 100% real. His father assures him it's not about what the real message was but what he took from the original broken message & the choice to do good that matters. Clark embraces his Earth upbringing completely in the end. Not what his Kryptonian parents wanted from him. The idea of them being selfishly only concerned with their baby is pulled from the comics. Jarhanpur & Metropolis are only saved because of AMERICAN EARTH HEROES from the Justice Gang assisting Superman. Not because of just him or the things he can do. None of that promotes immigration. Watch the movie or fuck off because again you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 22:43:56 No. 55181

>>55180 >His father assures him it's not about what the real message was but what he took from the original broken message & the choice to do good that matters Funny thing is that I recently watched an anime where they had a similar incident and resolved that problem a completely different way, and actually is a lot better for a "learning experience". The series is called Dai-Guard, with the character in question being Momoi Ibuki. In the series, she wants revenge against the kaiju her team ends up fighting, seeing it as fulfilling her father's "mission" as he was one of the people killed in the first original kaiju attack. However another character confronts her with the reality that her father didn't give two shits about the kaiju's being a threat and instead saw them as scientific objects to be studies. And after showing her proof of this, she suffers an identity crisis with trying to figure out what she's fighting for. And how they resolve this is her stepdad bringing her to one of the truama centers setup during a kaiju attack and showing her all the people being injured whenever one of these things shows up. So she finally resolves that she's going to fight the monsters, not for the petty and simple reason of revenge but, for the greater purpose of making a difference in people's lives. Which do you think has greater impact: A person who realizes what he believed was a lie but decides to continue carrying on the lie as if it's truth, or a person who realizes what he believed was a lie and coming to his own truth on the matter going forward? In fact, isn't the FORMER situation kind of the crux to a certain Batham movie about a guy who's big for you? >None of that promotes immigration. You're leaving out the part where YOU said that a significant part of the films plot resolution is Clark proving to the world that he's "more human" than Luthor.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 23:04:03 No. 55183

>>55181 Sounds similar to Kaiju No. 8 though that was more just one character & her motivation was basically getting her father's approval by taking her mother's place as a kaiju killer. Bane's motivation is only doing was Talia wants. He doesn't have any real motivation despite all his grandstanding speeches. It's a facade. He's basically just another goon like in Batman & Robin. Only he can actually speak this time. More human has nothing to do with being an immigrant. It's morality. The only immigrant in the movie is a random falafel stand guy who dies. He could've been replaced by a Chicago hotdog seller though & nothing would change. His race didn't play a factor into his role in the story as just being a random civvie Superman was any bit familiar with that Lex used to torture him.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 23:12:35 No. 55184

This is kinda like saying a movie from the 80s is woke because it has an immigration message. Being “woke” doesn’t simply mean having a leftwing message although all leftwing politics is inherently bad. I’m sure James Gunn himself is woke, but the political messaging needs to be more blatant to turn off most audiences. Superman being a metaphor for mass unregulated immigration is dumb for several reasons, though. Not least of which because of how many kryptonian villains there are. This very film makes Superman’s parents actively encourage him to conquer and rape the earth. >>55180 Super man also got anally raped by communists in “the comics”.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 23:13:46 No. 55185

>>55184 Good thing he's not a metaphor for that then. Bringing up bad noncanon to boot comics has nothing to do with anything.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 23:14:55 No. 55187

>>55180 >The idea of them being selfishly only concerned with their baby is pulled from the comics Also, decided to address this, your images are pulled from A Superman comic. There's dozens of comics that address how or why he was sent to Earth, all of which are different in the details. And his parents reactions about it. <For example, here's the ORIGINAL original reason he was sent to Earth from, what I can find as, the first extensive detailing of Clark's origins that were layed out in Superman issue 53 published back in 1948. Nothing at all about either parent whaling about how their child is being sent to such a "primitive" planet. >>55183 >Bane's motivation is only doing was Talia wants. He doesn't have any real motivation despite all his grandstanding speeches. It's a facade. He's basically just another goon like in Batman & Robin. Only he can actually speak this time. No, you idiot, I'm talking about how Gotham only managed to "clean" itself up thanks to the lie Gordon and Bruce spread about how Harvey died a "good death" fighting the mob, instead of telling the truth about how he descended into madness. And how that revelation effectively broke Gotham and allowed for Bane to take over the island in the first place because of people realizing that everything they had spent the past several years fighting for was all a lie. >More human has nothing to do with being an immigrant Yes, it does. >It's morality No, it's not. >The only immigrant in the movie is a random falafel stand guy who dies So the space alien who the movie is named after, in addition to the owner of the space dog that trailers have spent a great deal of time focussing on, IS NOT an "immigrant"?

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 23:16:45 No. 55188

>>55184 >This is kinda like saying a movie from the 80s is woke because it has an immigration message You really have no idea what "Woke" means, do you? It's a Communist term refering to someone who has awakened to having a "Critical Consciousness" and sees the world as operating through power dynamics. And, yes, it's entirely possibly for a film from the 80's to be Woke when you've have Communist taking over entire genres of media since the 1930's.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 23:17:36 No. 55189

>>55187 Original continuities are not the be all end all of comic book character. You literally reference Bane. Even in your own points you don't know what you're talking about. I can see you're a complete lost cause.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 23:21:37 No. 55191

>>55189 >Original continuities are not the be all end all of comic book character <The film is comic accurate. See, it's using the comics. Proceed to post images taken from the comics... <STOP USING THE COMICS TO CRITIQUE THE FILM, THEY DON'T MATTER ANYWAY!!! This is funny. >You literally reference Bane Yes, I am referencing a story that used a similar plot device, and contrasting them against this story. What's wrong with that?

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 23:22:55 No. 55192

>>55191 The problem is you're an idiot & you keep putting words in my mouth instead of actually reading or arguing sincerely. Go back to cuckchan, schizo.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 23:29:12 No. 55193

>>55192 Do you actually HAVE an argument beyond calling people "idiots" and declaring how anyone who disagrees with you is "arguing in bad faith"?

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 23:30:18 No. 55194

>>55193 Oh the irony saying I have no argument when you've brought nothing but glowie tier /pol/ talking points that has nothing to do with the movie.

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 23:35:59 No. 55195

>>55194 >Discussing history is now /pol/ posting So no one can bring up the House Committee on Un-American Activities nor the Hollywood blacklist, two significant events in America's media history that were about Communist influence over media. And anyone who does bring up those incidents is a "conspiracy theorist".

Anonymous 07/29/2025 (Tue) 23:39:18 No. 55196

Frank if you're reading this, I'm sorry for the absolute state threads are becoming lately just over a retard arguing against a movie he hasn't seen despite being told he's wrong over & over again.

Anonymous 07/30/2025 (Wed) 01:25:46 No. 55199

>>55185 In some comics he is. >>55187 >Kryptonians are literally just humans on another planet I kinda miss when writers treated space like a fantasy setting instead of trying to make inherently fictional material “realistic”.

Anonymous 07/30/2025 (Wed) 01:29:10 No. 55200

>>55199 Well not in the movie & that's what matters. Unless Gunn's unintentionally based & thinks immigrants are only good if they integrate into American society completely.

Anonymous 07/30/2025 (Wed) 01:39:55 No. 55202

I thought the movie was pretty super, man.

Anonymous 08/17/2025 (Sun) 16:19:00 No. 56052

>>54873

Anonymous 08/18/2025 (Mon) 23:17:47 No. 56088

>>56052 The cat is there because Freedom Beast's powers include controlling animals & animal fusion like B'wana Beast.

Anonymous 08/23/2025 (Sat) 02:50:39 No. 56197

What surprised me is they made Perry black but not Jimmy again. I did a double take when I saw him because I legit thought they'd un-ginger him.

Anonymous 08/23/2025 (Sat) 02:53:53 No. 56198

>>56197 A half victory. Perry being black was really pointless when Mr. Terrific is there the one actual black character on the Daily Planet team gets no lines.

Anonymous 08/23/2025 (Sat) 03:12:10 No. 56199

>>56198 At least it was the ginger who got de-blacked.

Anonymous 08/23/2025 (Sat) 03:13:53 No. 56200

>>56199 Hopefully if the rumored Jimmy spinoff does happen, it's kept more in tone with the movie & the old comics rather than something like Peacemaker.

Anonymous 09/03/2025 (Wed) 17:02:13 No. 56520

Superman sequel 'Man of Tomorrow' has been announced. Along with Gunn & Corensweet posting this official art hinting that Luthor will get his mech suit.

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