>>32512 It was a massive hit at the time. So evidently many people cared about it. It was very influential and a major force for getting creators to actually have a hand in driving the directions of their shows, rather than producers, throughout the next several years. Unfortunately that trend slowly started waning the moment John K was fired and the Ren & Stimpy continued to be successful, and cartoons slowly started going to shit again. Took a long while to become completely shit again, but they got there. I don't credit John K entirely with why cartoons were so great in the '90s, but he is a significant part of it.

>>32527 The 90s/early 2000s was the time where all Nickelodeon cartoons were experimental & weird. Most didn't work. Because most of them were really ugly.

>>32531 What are you talking about? As Told by Ginger was a masterpiece!

>>32539 MOUTHS DO NOT GO THERE!

>>32539 Klasky-Csupo's style on a slice of life show about a teenage girl was a terrible idea. Their style on a show about how life is weird through the perspective of babies (which are also weird) worked much better. I'd also say it worked pretty well on things like Ahh!! Real Monsters or Santo Bugito. But yeah, it had no place on things like As Told By Ginger or Rocket Power. Wild Thornberries is kind of on the edge. It works for the animals, but not so much for the people. Nickelodeon Studios/Games Animation toned it down a bit but was still a bit weird, hitting a balance that let them do more stuff without it just seeming fucked up. Rocko's Modern Life looked good, but the style didn't contrast with them doing more down to earth stuff sometimes. Catdog was kind of in a similar boat. Rocko clearly wouldn't exist if it wasn't for things like Ren & Stimpy making Nickelodeon want to do more adult, more creator-driven stuff. And Spongebob wouldn't exist without Rocko. Of course Rugrats and Doug deserve a lot of credit too. Rugrats helped to get Klasky-Csupo all that other work, even if sometimes they weren't actually a good fit for the subject matter. Doug helped to popularize a whole bunch of other slice of life shows, perhaps most obviously Hey Arnold (which existed in concept before, but may not have been picked up by Nickelodeon if Doug wasn't so successful). With all the different studios doing stuff on Nickelodeon at the time, though, I'll at least say that I appreciate that they had dimension to them. Even as a kid it bugged me how flat everything on Cartoon Network looked at the time. Later I learned it was because John K. moved over to Cartoon Network to help develop their earliest original shows after he got fired from Nickelodeon. Indeed, Ren & Stimpy did have a flatter style than the other Nickelodeon shows, but not to the extreme degree the Cartoon Network shows had. But John K was a good fit there because of course the earliest Cartoon Network Shows were literally Hanna-Barbera shows, made by people trying to bring back HB's glory days. And to a large extent, they did. And then HB just got renamed Cartoon Network Studios. But HB was good for doing a relatively good job with low budgets. They still looked like shit compared to actual good animation. HB was good because actual good animation was for theatrical cartoons at the time. But by the '90s, Disney, Nickelodeon, and WB were actually putting good animation on TV again. Look up the influence of Disney's Gummi Bears, which has drastically better animation than any tv cartoon for decades before it, because Disney realized that by investing more money they could make more money in syndication. >tl;dr: You're wrong. Most of those shows did work. They were very successful. Even the few that were actually ugly and shouldn't have been successful.

>>32543 Rugrats is ugly but in a tolerable way. What's really ugly is the show's main cast are jews.

>>32503 John K has talent and is very knowledgeable about classic toons and fallen flags within the industry. However, his arrogance is his major flaw. >>32543 >Klasky-Csupo's style on a slice of life show about a teenage girl was a terrible idea It all started with Little Lulu and Pepper Ann.

>>32546 Only Didi and by extension Tommy (and I guess Dil, if we're gonna count him) are jews. And Tommy is only half Jew and still celebrates Christmas. Oh yeah, and Didi's parents that the ADL said were anti-semetic caricatures. None of the other characters are jewish. Stu, Lou, Drew, Angelica, Charlotte, Chuckie, Chaz, Phil, Lil, and their bulldyke mom and faggot dad are all explicitly not jewish. Oh yeah, and Suzie's family obviously aren't jewish. But they do celebrate Kwanzaa, so close enough. >>32547 >It all started with Little Lulu and Pepper Ann. Little Lulu is a fucking ancient comic strip character. I assume you're thinking of the animated version from the '90s, but even then, that looks like a generic old comic strip artstyle. Not at all like Klasky-Csupo. I can see why you'd make the comparison to Pepper Ann, but clearly that show was influenced by Klasky-Csupo and Nickelodeon/Games cartoons that came out before it. Also The Weekenders all have the same fucked up heads as in Rocket Power, and both try to do the "cool kids" thing terribly.

>>32553 Still too jewish.

>>32553 No, I wasn't referring to the artsyles. I was referring to the aim and premise. Which was unfair of me to throw Lulu out there like that. Also, there are two series. > but clearly that show was influenced by Klasky-Csupo and Nickelodeon/Games cartoons that came out before it. The thing about that was, Disney was at war with the other networks at the time and needed more shows aimed at tweenage girls. If anything, Pepper Ann was more of a kid-friendly take on Daria than anything else. >>32554 Explain.

>>32543 I thought the style worked well with Rocket Power honestly >>32547 >Pepper Ann Almost thought you meant the artstyle and not the teen fad. Pepper Ann had shittons of slapstick and comedy though, As Told by Ginger was just pure drama, angst and boredom.

>>32553 Chaz and Chuckie aren't jewish? Huh. I guess they were both such nebbishes that I just assumed. Though it would make sense that he would marry a Japanischer in that case.

>>32564 >As Told by Ginger was just pure drama, angst and boredom. That's due to Dawson's Creek and Degrassi: The Next Generation. >>32567 Throughout the earlier seasons, Chaz did have various flings. One of them being a female police officer.

>>33168 Nice.

>>32835 Billy was chosen for his purity of heart. So... no sex with damaged women until he marries them. Shazam help him if his wisdom of Solomon fails him and he actually does it. By the way, can anyone pinpoint when secret identities suddenly stopped being secret? At LEAST half of Batman's rogue's gallery knows that he's Wayne (Joker, Bane, Riddler, Ra's, Catwoman...probably others). Spider-Man seems to give it away once a month. It's just stupid as shit. Forget the enemies looking for revenge, they'd be mobbed by paparazzi every time they tried to go out for coffee.

>>33294 Only the power of a pure hearted shota can overcome evil in the hearts of horny villainesses.

>>33296 Can a pure heart also shrink her dragging beef curtains?

>>33327 Maybe!

>>28613 Who's the character from the first two images and where's she from?

>>52972 Courtney Babcock from Paranorman.

>>28844 >It's "Christianity bad." There's your message. If I had a dime for every cool comic that went to shit over reddit tier athiestic writing I'd be a millionaire

>>53107 It's not even that. It's just there's a zealot preacher as the main villain.

>>29050 Who's the better endgame for Mac, Goo or Frankie?

>>29065 It's autistic on my part but early AT provided such a fertile plethora of quality girls for Finn. Before it was all torched by shitheels like Sucrose or Monaghan, the sky really was the limit in terms of Finn endgames. I couldnt blame anyone for wanting him to stick to their favorite gal. I still remain undecided however. Marcy, Peebs (pre-dyking), Susan, and Canyon all remain in the lead for my picks. They're all best girls.

>>29234 Some Spanish, German, and French women can be gingers too fwiw but it's painfully rare despite how utterly gorgeous they turn out. I wish there were more redheads in the world. Truly peak female performance.

>>53116 Realistically Goo as far as age goes. Ideally Frankie though. >>53118 Marceline has the most chemistry with Finn from the get go as the tomboy friend.

>>53121 Puu's Goos warmed me upto the idea of her as Mac's endgame but Frankie is pretty much the platonic ideal of a woman. She's the Rei to Mac's Shinji in this sense. Not the realistic option like Asuka, but the fantastical idealized alternative that just isnt tenable... In any case I've reminded myself of one doujin I read years ago pitting a milfy aged up Rei with Shinji, that was great. >Marceline I agree but the other three I mentioned all have distinct appeals for me aswell. It might be purely fetishistic. You are ultimately correct though, Marceline was the most naturally cohesive with Finn. Bubblegum had a sweet innocence about her in the early days that's been eliminated for years now sadly. That version of her exists only in dreams now. Meanwhile the crew forgot all about Canyon and Susan, maybe for the best, since Im sure they would have ruined those two aswell if they knew we loved them.

>>53125 While Goo would be more realistic as a childhood friend that blossoms into more, Frankie is endgame as she & Mac are based on Lauren Faust & Craig McCracken. Semi related but Kid & Jo are cute as well. Yeah Canyon & Susan would have cucked & or humiliated Finn some more. Best they're forgotten instead. Both of them do fill niche fetishes but Marceline as you'd said too is just more of a natural partner for Finn. Too bad the forced lesbian shipping & tarring will never let that happen now.

>>53133 I'd like to think we can someday rehabilitate AT, but it's plain to see how impossible that would be. At best maybe a pastiche work could explore what could have been. Perhaps each of those 4 could represent stages in Finn's life? Bubblegum = naive innocence, Marceline = rebellious irresponsible adolescence, Susan = "i can fix her", Canyon = adulthood and the bigger picture. I'm spitballing now but you get the idea. Back on Frankie, I've drawn a few pics of her. Kind of tempted to share them but neither are inked or ss relevant.

>>53134 There's no recovering Adventure Time. They've even replaced Finn thrice now in relevancy. Better to make a better version through fan art, rewrites, & being inspired but making something better.

>>53134 Is the dream of the pillow girl Finn having a moment of despair in his mid twenties and getting a waifu?