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>My entire argument is that her real value is keeping the up the buff for the best set in the game.
And that's a wrong argument.
Most supports can keep that buff up.
In fact, I have no idea how you are comparing 24% DMG increase vs
LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE ASTRA DOES and come up with
>yep, who even needs Astra without Astral Voice?!
>Dmg% is a stat Nekomata's kit already has covered, why would you bring that up as a critique of my argument?
I bring that up because the crux of your argument is literally, and I'm quoting you verbatim here
>Astra is bad for Neko because Neko gets dmg% buffs everywhere in her kit
This is
WRONG.
DMG% is
NOT the primary value Astra brings.
24% DMG% from Astral Voice is
NOT the main value of Astra - any QA support can and should run that set.
There is
NO point of DMG% saturation where more DMG% becomes
BAD.
You'd have a case if Astra was only, or even primarily giving DMG%, but she's
NOT. The main stat she provides is flat ATK.
>200 more atk can be covered by substats
No it can't. No matter what your sub-stats are, you'll
ALWAYS have 200 more ATK with Astra.
She doesn't magically start giving you less flat ATK if you get better sub-stats.
>if atk was so important for Nekomata she could also use two attack buffers no?
Having two agents give you the same stat means hitting diminishing returns harder.
BUT ASTRA IS NOT TWO AGENTS. You get
MORE for
FREE.
ATK is important for literally everyone. It's an equal-weight multiplier to DMG% and CRIT. And with some caveats, PEN% and DEF% shred.
If you have your Nekomata get a shitload of DMG% from her kit, get a bunch of CRIT stats from her W-Engine and drive discs, guess what else could you add to supplement your build?
>Nekomata's quick assist multipliers are one of the worst of any attacker she is better off staying on field and dodging.
But I though Astral Voice was literally better than everything Astra does combined, question mark?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
You do realize you need to enter the field using Quick Assist if you want to benefit from using it?
You do realize that you can cancel Quick Assists with swaps and Ultimates, right?
You do realize that the 60% DMG increase you get - that's x2.5 the value of the set that is in your opinion is better than the rest of Astra's kit - works for Chain Attacks and Ultimate?
You do realize that the buff only lasts 6 seconds, so while you can force a Quick Assist, you can really force a Dodge Counter?!
>I don't see Astra on Nekomata's teams forshiyu defence, Qingyi and Trigger are used in shiyu.
Because Shiyu is a goddamn puzzle?
I've ran Qingyi with Miyabi in Shiyu before, does this make Qingyi BiS for Miyabi? Or is it just that Shiyu is all about hitting specific encounter thresholds and not necessarily the best possible performance?
And grouping (Nicole) and stun (Qingyi & Trigger) make those thresholds much easier to hit?
Hmmmmmmmm?
>Astra raised the floor for everyone but Neko
But that's FALSE?
https://youtu.be/ou58YWQv-lM
https://youtu.be/O8HHrFnOGts
https://youtu.be/t5VEYiICNJM
https://youtu.be/XpVsooeMRyU
https://youtu.be/JmVH-ePPj5w
https://youtu.be/RweavVwd-pA
https://youtu.be/YTbGu2DdM38
https://youtu.be/vPY7b35wtT4[Expand Post]
https://youtu.be/XM37Ea87qe4
Anon, you are driving me insane.
Literally not a single claim you've made has any basis in reality.