>>631722 if only jufu was LARGE

Do NOT goon to Belle doro.

Sometimes, I wanna fuck Chinatsu and spend all night cuddling with her. Other times, I wanna do so with Rokudo. Then, there are some days of the week where all I desire to do, is to plap Yutanes little robotic ass. Thats the beauty of men sexual nature; polygamy. I love all my girls, and I love each one for different reasons.

She Exits Elegantly Dazzlingly

new bread <- same wife

aieee how the fuck do i do this? does the part you break to knock him down not count? do i have to stun first and THEN break the tail? but it's not even targetable when he's stunned and my ults just auto home in on the body i've done like 4 runs with breaking tail & both claws and it still hasn't unlocked

anby burger died T_T

>Video Store management >Restaurant management >Temple management What is the next place we will manage?

>>631744 you forgot flower shop bwo

>>631744 >>631747 Cabaret club

>i feel like most of my complaints about the combat have been smoothed over via the release of agents with interesting optimal play/no more shared ultimates. i hope mhy can actually deliver more content that incentivizes Doing Good instead of just lazily picking up a passing grade, though i understand the ability to truly excel is gatekept though gearing & agent pool that's largely unavailable to newer players- who have to trudge though tv's (which i did like tbh) and make do with largely uninteresting a-ranks before they can put together a more engaging team. >do you think the new player on-boarding will get better at some point? or does it matter at all? i feel like most players don't even engage in rotations autism and maybe that's enough for them but the potential for this game to be genuinely good (not just "good for a gacha") continues to surprise me. for once i'm actually optimistic about the future of a gacha. lol, meant to post in the new thread

>>631747 I need to get better memory

Trigger bread with a side of Anbibi

>>631744 In 3.0 when we go to notJapan, we will manage a doujin stall at the in-universe Comiket where we'll make bank selling Corin rape doujin.

Her name is Hoshimi Miyabi

<yuzuha id i'm bringing back pink bratposting beware

>>631744 >What is the next place we will manage? Idol Manager

>>631658 theres an option for previewing files by hovering your mouse above them if you dont want to click

>>631744 Surf shop next patch

>>631731 >>631732 👍

>>631760 anal rape

>>631759 She deserved a tail.

Beware the fucks fox, proxy...

>>631769 >THIS is the 2.2 forced meta s rank

>>631776 Shifu’s training has prepared me for this

Who said anal rape?!

ID takes me out to get ice cream tomorrow

>>631787 Getting a McFlurry at McDonald's with ol man McDunn

>>631782 >hair doesnt jiggle gay

>>631752 I think rebalencing the early game difficulty would be one of the best options. They start you out with dirt easy enemies and three objectively good agents +likely whoever the limited banner is when you find the game, and it's a glorified button masher until you're in your 20s and finally get some challenging HDD missions. I also think letting players skip to the 2.0 story was a very good idea

I fucking love oni

>>631785 >Incredibly consensual I was lied too

I just realised the temple mode is basically a child slave factory simulator Buying child slaves (bangboos) and making them work for free until they drop, and then replacing them with fresh child slaves It's like I'm in China fr.

>>631799 Hair glows

>>631782 true, jiggling started going too far here

winning the ceesaar 5050 is putting me in a spot rina m1 for meta s11 m0 for sovl chat its hard

>>631795 Hell yeah let's go grandps

>>631822 Rina is fun and I wish I'd gotten her first, my S11 is already m2 because I only unlock her when I lose 50/50s

>>631812 They volunteer for it. A girl even goes over to the box to ask for work and the bangboo turns her away since he doesn't want her "stealing bangboo jobs."

>>631807 The early game shouldn't be that difficult, the purpose of it is to get you into the game. If it's one shoting you or taking you over 10 minuets to clear it's going to turn people off. This is the problem that Monster Hunter faced and why it only got really popular in the main stream when it turned down the difficulty in the early game.

>>631822 I got C1 Rina with the 300 tape selector and honestly I wish I'd gotten C1 Harin instead (would be C2 after anni). I like Rina but in terms of gameplay she feels very boring and I hate her stupid fucking evasive assist that locks you into an animation for like 5 seconds.

orp

>>631822 whats you're support roster like? Rina is a good support at M1 but if you don't need her probably just grab S11.

>>631736 seriously someone help me this is the only thing i need for 100% and i dont even understand the requirements and it's very annoying to have to redo an entire run every time i kill the boss wrong without proccing it

>>631857 Run Miyabi + Stunner, drop Gepetto with Stunner, fldump Shimotsuki + Ulta to try and bomb limbs, pause and restart the encounter if you don't see two Impaired procs. Good luck.

>>631866 But it needs three impaired procs. I can break the two limbs easily enough with yixuan but I never got it to count 3 even when I did break the tail (I guess since it was before stun, or because my stunner broke one limb before stun)

Questions from a threa. Does Caesar want her wengine? How are Yuzuha and Alice looking gameplay wise?

I got an M5 S11 off of Fufu's banner. I'm gonna make Nanking look like a fucking joke. No way I'll hit hard pity before the end of the patch now, I should have skipped Yi Xuan.

Thoughts?

>>631886 Fufu should be flatter but otherwise sex.

>>631878 >caesar ball it's nice to have, but not must have

>>631894 I guess it would be better to ask which agents really do want their wengines - I was going to use the new event wengine on Caeser since a few guides said it'd be fine.

>>631878 >>631894 on the contrary, i think it's basically required if you want her to be anything more than 1000 ATK stat stick >How are Yuzuha and Alice looking gameplay wise? yuzuha is still anomaly astra alice probably has a settled kit now she is just physical miyabi + yanagi. alice ID btw

>>631875 Oh it is 3 my bad Yeah you'll have to stun without causing an impair and then go for 3, make sure you grab the general resonia that extends stun window if you can

>>631901 sea otter...

>>631837 its gonna be a while before i get to the selector. >>631856 next pull will be Yanagi

>>631901 >yuzuha is still anomaly astra So she's a really good universal support? >alice probably has a settled kit now she is just physical miyabi + yanagi. So uber cracked then? I'm a little disappointed that the sex rat has been powercrept that hard.

Nice Whos is this better for: Koleda, Jufufu or Trigger?

>>631906 >no M6 A rank supports >Yanagi next Okay yeah probably grab M1 Rina then since Nagi is one of the few who really want her and other than Astra you don't have a stacked support line up.

>>631911 >So she's a really good universal support? the only part of her kit that non-anomaly characters benefit from is the 1200 ATK buff, so, not really? that's nice but in context with all the supports in the game you'd get more general value from using nicole probably >So uber cracked then? I'm a little disappointed that the sex rat has been powercrept that hard. most TCs don't want to bother with doing serious testing for her because they got mindbroken by the beta changes, so we don't know exactly how much better she is but she is obviously better. it's not great that jane is getting replaced this hard but i expect they're going to buff her very soon regardless

>>631897 Trigger's wengine is probably the only must roll tier

>>631915 Literally none of them. Not even lycaon compared to hellfire gears or fossil.

Weak to anal

>>631915 it's only remotely useful on trigger because her aftershocks count as basic attacks and benefit from the buff. in general this is the worst standard ball and probably the only actual brick one to roll

>>631919 >the only part of her kit that non-anomaly characters benefit from is the 1200 ATK buff, so, not really? that's nice but in context with all the supports in the game you'd get more general value from using nicole probably Well that's good to know. In that case I'll feel less pressure to pull for her. Maybe I'll pull because sexo and I have a weakness for red heads. >most TCs don't want to bother with doing serious testing for her because they got mindbroken by the beta changes, so we don't know exactly how much better she is but she is obviously better. it's not great that jane is getting replaced this hard but i expect they're going to buff her very soon regardless I really hope they don't go down the star rail route, if they do I might drop the game. Hopefully Jane will get a rework like Ellen did.

I have really bad heartburn bros what zzz agent can help me

>>631917 SeeSaar, Astra, Trigger(w1) isnt stacked enough?

I did it lads, that was the level 8 challenge, on to the worst ones I guess

>>631923 >>631939 fuck I didn't remember this one being that shit

>>631897 i just made this which is my perspective note that even the agents in the "must roll" tier do not require their engines to clear endgame or get usable performance; it's more from a perspective of which engines you should prioritize if you are willing to roll for engines at all and just want to make the choice based on meta. IMO you should only roll engines in this game if you want to see your agent's hair glow aside from 2 characters (miyabi and yixuan). even though i said caesar's engine is a must pull it really depends on how much you want to use her and how much you expect her to buff your team. it helps but it's still not required.

What a sl*t

>>631729 Anon.... You're only encouraging me with posting that apng.... Guys I'm not joking for some reason I actually think BelleDoro is cute and sexy, what the actual fuck have I become

JuFoxFu

>>631946 W1 on trigger does make her pretty universal yeah that's true

>>631961 Why do you still use this hyperbolic framing of “must” its so stupid my ball-less yixuan team scored 37k on miasma priest Even if someone had half of my skill and shittier discs and shittier supports (m3 panda astra m0) they clear. Only “must roll” is for caesar to make her ciable throw the rest of your list in the trash please

>>631961 Thanks for the perspective, I'll keep this in mind.

>>631977 You can 20k with Billy Anby and Nicole, nothing in this game matters as long as you can dodge and can do 2nd grade math, you don't have to sound like an annoying faggot about it

>>631961 Shifu, Hugo, and Lighter's performance with their orbs is like night and day. Trigger is pretty good with it, just my 2 cents after getting em.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oUFhfJ9ZMQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oUFhfJ9ZMQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oUFhfJ9ZMQ

>>631939 Wait, really? Cause I've gotten 3 of the fucking things

>>631977 congrats on just looking at the image and not reading my post. i literally said exactly what you said, why are you angry? >>631997 hugo is the funny one in that tier just because he literally cannot use brimstone at all (never gets to stack the ATK bonus) so his next best cope option is literally marcato desire, which pathetic

>>631961 zhu yuan is great for UCC I'll have you know

@grok is fufu being a femdom true

>>632003 another one who can't read. gacha players are never beating the allegations i swear

>>632002 That's the thing, he CAN use Bimstone if you run him on field at all since he attacks really fast and I do use him like this, but it would be better to run Marcato which is okay but assumes you have that engine which most don't now. Steel Cushion might be better just for crit rate. Saying this he shits damage with 2 stunners so it's not NEEDED but once you get his ball, holy shit. It just starts wrecking bosses and elites like crazy

>>632008 to be fair I usually just look at images first and dont read text, but looking at your image having astra as "do not roll" at the bottom makes it immediately obvious what you're talking about

>>632008 no you don't get it if I see zhu at the bottom, I must attack without thinking

>>632015 I undersrand, Zhubro.

>>632001 another anon tested it against W5 steam oven and it does marginally more daze while providing no extra energy (which helps tremendously on energy hungry stunners like trigger), so yeah it's pretty mid. basically only on-field lyacon and qingyi can make full use of its effect and both of them would probably still rather use something else that gives a bit more rounded utility

>>632015 ZhuLOVE persists to this day, admirable

>>632015 i'll have you know that zhu carried my DA score this rotation so i understand

>>632015 Your devotion is admirable

>>632026 do you have her wengine?

Holding h*nds with Yi Xuan

>>632042 yes, but i don't use it on zhu. i use brimstone on her and i gave her engine to S11 to use as a crit stat stick. in this team specifically her engine is literally worse than brimstone and it only performs better if you get a fuckton of ATK from some other place (astra). even then it's barely better, it's probably the most severely mediocre limited engine aside from astra's own engine.

>>631919 Yuzuha also gives 15% DMG with her buff and 25 energy to both teammates when she ults, which I'm assuming is additional to the 10 energy for everyone and 20 for next agent to swap in that all support ults give.

>>632054 wait thats so fucking useful, i'd love to help out energy starved rotations

>>632054 15% DMG is basically nothing in a world where you can get that casually from discs, but you're right that the energy regen is actually pretty nice. i can think of a couple (non-anomaly) agents that would be decent for but it would still be cope using her outside of anomaly team over astra

>>632048 I see, I was just wondering since I also used that exact same team but scored 9k less points (unfortunately I can only give her starlight for now)

We love Twiggy

>>632002 I'm running Hugo on Gilded blossom and he performs great with Lycaon and Trigger and I don't need to pass around my Brimstone when using him.

>>632065 my chinky also has her ball (W2 because i got lucky and i refined it like a retard) which is honestly probably a bigger damage bump than zhu's engine. (ignore she's not wearing it in the card, her ball is on trigger right now)

>>632065 also, actual UCC advice: -pick ult buff -aim to ult with zhu every stun. this requires you try to get 1-2 parries with her while stunning with qingyi and probably getting a leg break at least every other stun for the 1K decibels. the latter is very difficult to do consistently because the boss is a faggot -if you're using chaotic metal, mind your corruption buildup and make sure you always ult when corruption is active -conversely, also try not to overcap on decibels ever with zhu, so if you have to overcap on bullets to use an ult early, it's better than overcapping on db i know i can get 42-43K if i really lock in but i hate fighting that boss so fucking much i don't want to bother.

i am ready for yuzuha to rape me, 10 pulls away from a coinflip as well if this bitch comes home immediately ALL IN ON ALICE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHHgP4cEies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHHgP4cEies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHHgP4cEies

>>632002 >>632075 I'm still gonna use Gilded Blossom on Hugo even if it's technically not his "BEST" cope option, because holy hell I didn't think I'd ever actually find a use for that piece of shit ball besides being a trophy in my display case lol

>>632091 Unironically a banger, I have it on two of my gaming playlists

>>632075 >>632093 marcato mogs that engine and you should have that one as well if you have played long enough to have gilded blossom. in general the f2p cope engines are really bad in this game; they really try to FOMO people for gear way harder than the Other Games.

>>632098 Jokes on them I'm too stupid to tell when a ball is necessary I only pull when I like the glowie effects

>>632077 yep this makes perfect sense, I haven't had the chance to farm king of the summit for chinky yet and she's using the fossil ball >>632084 ahh yeah I did pick the stun buff instead huh and there were indeed 2 stun windows where I couldn't use zhu's ult, got 5k performance points though no problems there ah well maybe I'll do better next time around

>>632098 I don't have Marcato, I uninstalled during 1.4...

So breedable

>>632098 Evelyn is currently using my Marcato and I can't be bothered to switch around more than one engine at a time, so the Blossom staying on Hugo for now

where the FUCK are these 4 cargo boxes im missing in this area

>>632122 Take the elevator at the end of that area. It's fucking stupid. This new map system is genuinely dogshit.

>>632122 Click the menu in the bottom left and check the other floors.

>>632107 That's a kitten

>>632105 Evey time I see Marcato recommended they either uninstalled or are a new cutie that ball is seemingly so rare

>>632118 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzRqtW1C0Zo

>>632127 what the fuck thank you why is this the only map that has this thing LMFAO

>>632131 I don't even remember what event it came from, whatever was running when Miyabi amd Harumasa dropped. I just gave it to him.

Oh also >>632098 >in general the f2p cope engines are really bad in this game; they really try to FOMO people for gear way harder than the Other Games. Idk how you can say it if you actually play Other Games. No idea what it's like in Genshit, only heard that a lot of the characters' best in slot copes are some random old event weapons which unlike HSR you can't get if you aren't an oldfag, in HSR itself cone dependance is one of the biggest things people love crying about and almost any shilled DPS gets hit with that, in Wuwa all 4* weapons are trash minus the ones that give ER and there's almost always a huge gap between the standard 5* and the limited weapon. ZZZ has some really good weapons for both DPS and supports, but you never need them, everything is clearable with C0W0 characters without much sweat and the only gacha-dependant cope balls are for supports and defenders

>>632130 So?

Why are there random Spanish with zzz posts popping up what are the Mexicans doing with zzz…

>>632114 i mean as long as it clears you're fine. my original post was literally from the perspective of a metakek who just wants engines for meta value and nothing else. the endgame is not actually difficult enough to require engines for anyone, contrary to what dawei wants you to think.

>>632145 hispanics are HUMONGOUS weebs, i was watching DBZ in the 80s dubbed in spanish that was way ahead of the EN release

>>632090 Is it yuzu first then?

>>632154 The literal statistics that cartel activity drastically drops when new DB content drops are also real

>>632159 yeah she was dripped first

>>632002 >>632075 >>632093 I'm pretty sure Hugo's best cope option is Steel Cushion. You're always guaranteed to trigger the 25% DMG increase from the engine's effect because his EX makes him go behind the enemy.

>>632139 it's about perception, not what the endgame actually requires. most engines in this game give like 30-50% boosts over the best available F2P options aside from a couple characters. since most characters also hover around the same strength since miyabi they can't push FOMO with powercreep, and they've been making the engines more and more attractive in general. i quit HSR around 2.6 but at that time the only limiteds i remember who really needed their signature LC for good performance were acheron and yunli (the later of whom i owned with signature). i have no idea how it is now but in general the FOMO felt way less aggressive in that game.

>>632168 That's good. I wouldnt mind throwing a few rolls at alice but I want Yuzu for sure.

>>632015 based zhu enjoyer

wait wtf

>>632184 there are a whole bunch of these guys. the one in lumina square and the one on sixth street aren't the same person to begin with.

Sons of Calydon

>>632192 nasty artstyle

>2 weeks left I need to start prefarming for Yuzuha

>>632179 man I do not remember a single goddamn thing about remuria

>>632198 I already had Fufu prefarmed so i started on Yuzu immediately and them blew all my physical chips on Neko

So what disc set do I farm for yuzuha?

>>632204 >blew all my physical chips on Neko I did the same. I maxed all her skills.

>>632198 >>632204 Is she still using bringer boss mats.

>>632197 I like it, it's very expressive

>>632174 >most engines in this game give like 30-50% boosts over the best available F2P options That's a gross exaggeration, the difference is 30% at most and only on a few characters, the majority is around 20% or lower range. You're only getting 50% damage increases from M2s.

>>632210 We'll know in less than a week, I'm so poor at the moment from building Fufu and Nekomata, I need to farm basic stuffs. I can farm boss mats 2-3 days before patch drops.

I'm surprised my Shifu is so low

>>632215 the fact that i just exaggerated the engine gap without even realizing probably proves my point about how perception affects FOMO a bit. fwiw i only roll engines if i like the agent and i want to see their hair glow. i even rolled zhu's engine knowing it was mid

>>632210 do NOT prefarm bringer mats there is no way they keep the mats for two physical characters as bringer, the phys resist boss

>>632210 >>632228 it's been unchanged on hakush.in for every beta so at this point i'm pretty sure they're not changing them

>>632220 >have B and A discs >only one good disc Of course it'll be low

>>632198 I'll share some with you bro. This is for Yuzuha, Alice, and hopefully the physical Idol...

Is M1 with ball enough to unbrick her?

>>632206 Please help me

>>632248 swing jazz 4pc phaethon melody 2pc

>>632250 Thank you

>>632220 Also wait. Why are you going 3+3 on disc sets lol

the hoard grows, idols, Seed and Orphie will be mine.

>>632258 Ah that's where I fucked up

>>632248 swing jazz or astral voice 4pc should be fine, the 2pc phaethon is the most important part. you can also use freedom blues on her if you're using her with a phys anomaly

>>632258 I remember seeing a m6 miyabi in my recent multiplayer with 6 polar metal discs

>>632220 yeah people went crazy with her builds. I'm up to top 10% on yanagi with 1 disk that they rate as zero yet this gets me 22% for her. it's not too serious but it is kinda funny. also what the other guy said, didn't notice the 3/3 at first

>>632264 Does she work with mibibi or I'm better using her with yanagi?

>>632220 Pretty much what the other anon said but to be fair Shifu's ranking also just more competitive than the ranking for most other agents.

>>632271 My yanagi is my highest rank so far. Just waiting on a good disk 5.

>>632272 she works with every anomaly but if you're not using yanagi and miyabi together then she'd probably have more value on your yanagi team

>>632271 I put the right disk on disk 2 and it bumped me up a good bit. I'm surprised my rank is higher than yours though, wtf lol

>>631919 Even tester are saying that If you have Jane you should skip Alice even though she's stronger.

>>632279 I see good to know

So who here think orphiecwill be the mext rupture agent? I think she will be fire rupture

>>632290 I'm skipping Alice because I love my rat anon. >>632292 Yeah, I really believe in the Orphie fire rupture. I also think Manato is going to be physical rupture.

>>632296 manato will be a phys rupture who uses his health to deal damage and then heals when he assaults, meaning yuzuha despite having anomaly buffs will be his bis

>>632292 She's gonna be a cutie patootie on-field, and my wife off-field

>>632259 same but no stash, credit card only, obol squad only, final destination

>>632287 i mean even if she was 100% better than jane i think all rrat owners should skip because you shouldn't sanction powercreep + they will almost certainly buff jane soon. i say this as a day 1 M0W1 alice puller, but i don't own jane

>>632275 noice >>632283 oh yeah that is a good jump, don't really get it either lol

>>632307 Nah i like Jane alot but I'm still pulling alice. I don't really care if she piwercreeps her because I'm somewhat confident they will buff Jane, I just want different playstyles for my account now.

>>632299 Is this a popular theory? I thought the same.

>>632307 In my case I only pull for characters that I like or make them stronger. Alice so far is neither.

I'm rolling for Alice because I skipped Jane and I want to balance out my saturated hag account. >>632292 It would be weird if she or Manato don't turn out to be Rupture.

>>632319 idk I just thought it up in five seconds cause we know nothing about manato except he's involved with the spook shack and it'd be weird for him to be completely agnostic to them as an agent I'm just waiting for another rupture agent in general so I can understand if I want to fully invest in anomaly or pivot to rupture if it's cool

>>632318 they literally use identical teams and phys weakness isn't that common so it will be hard to field both of them unless you have burnice and vivian. if alice works with yanagi then that is at least a unique team for her but that remains to be seen. at the very least in the ellen/hugo case they both have completely independent teams that you can field and ice weakness is a lot more common in endga,e.

>>632299 >>632319 Are we assuming that rupture is just hp gimmicks? The problem still is that sheer force still cucks attack buffers.

>>632299 >>632319 a berserker character would be pretty cool and he certainly has the build/personality for it from what we've seen. now I want to see it happen, this is all your fault

>>632327 Like I said I don't really care bwo, I know most accounts shouldn't do what I do but zzz is one of the few gacha games where I like to experiment with the combat instead of brain-dead just field the most OP characters and collect rewards.

>>632329 considering they said rupture are just "dps agents with survivability" I'd assume it's hp and def gimmicks all the way down I personally want to see hoyo go hogwild with building new characters, it's a shame alice despite being a cutie just turned into another meter filler. rupture is a new class to do this with you can stuff it full of sick mechanics to play around with

>>632329 >Are we assuming that rupture is just hp gimmicks? Until another Rupture agent comes out to prove otherwise no, the HP scaling is Yixuans passive, nothing to do with Rupture. Personally I think adrenaline will be the thing rupture units share, as well as getting more value out of Defense units than supports.

chinatsu remiel is 160cm, same height as burnice

>>632340 >orphie's rupture gimmick is that orphie will be using the adrenaline gauge and magus will use the ult gauge

>>632336 you didn't even post a bad team. i saw a guy on halfchan using yixuan and zhu in the same team for some godforsaken reason. i think the idea might be that they want people to be able to field 3 full anomaly teams, and since that would require 6 DPS but there are only 5 elements, that means that one of them would have to be repeated. ideally jane would end up about as good as alice after her buffs so you'd be able to field something like miyabi/yanagi, alice/burnice, jane/vivian for a DA. this also opens up the possibility of a full anomaly shill DA which terrifies me as someone with mostly crit investment

>>632336 always nice to see unconventional clears or folks dedicated to pushing the limits of low tier characters. i've been slowly leveling neko & grace since if i got em I might as well try to use them.

this is my favorite shifu move

Sometimes, when I see SS Anby, I am reminded of the fact that Soldier 11 had to lose her memory three times in order for that agent story to happen. What the fuck were they thinking?

>>632340 It's hard to say that hp scaling isn't going to be a thing with rupture going forward considering the battlepass ball has hp as a mainstat not like the battlepass balls are ever insane for anyone but most of them have stats that match their role, it would feel weird to have the BP ball be exclusive to yixuan who doesn't even like it

>>632342 Burnice is 160????????

>>632349 If they did a full anomaly shill DA you should still be able to grab crit/ult/stun buffs and grab 6 stars and that's the absolute worst case scenario which I highly doubt they'd ever do unless they make 3 bosses like bringer who have anomaly gimmicks built in.

>>632366 OUT OF TEN

>>632370 currently my thought would be something like anomaly pompey, bringer, and the new ether/phys shill boss in one DA. i can beat pompey with S11 and bringer with ellen right now though so unless they double the HP i'll probably be fine, just mildly annoyed

>>632358 no atk scaling defenders existed at the time spring embrace released and game sphere only got the mainstat right, nothing else. it's fine if Orphie is not part of the model they used to pump sales during 2.0 due to it being the important patch with a shill character. think of it this way: no one is out here campaigning to revert alice because they wanted her to benefit from yuzuha equipping a game sphere.

>>632373 I'd be pissed but I sort of know what I'm in for when I skip banners

>>632379 comparing ATK% on spring embrace who even for defenders (which is the most abandoned class anyway) still finds some value cause attack, well, does more damage, is not close to HP% main stat which would be completely useless on any non-hp scaler agent I understand where you're coming from and we won't know for sure until they actually release another agent but I think the more reasonable conclusion that requires less thinking is that most rupture agents will have some sort of health mechanics

>>632385 Kino.

>>632340 >>632358 This. There is only 1 rupture ball without HP as a mainstat and IIRC the description of rupture is agent that specializes in offense and defense. There's gotta be at least on more. >>632379 >no one is out here campaigning to revert alice because they wanted her to benefit from yuzuha equipping a game sphere Yes I am. BRING BACK V2. WHAT THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THESE 15 CRIT SUBROLLS.

>>632387 >defenders (which is the most abandoned class anyway) it's really funny seeing rupture being described by the devs as a class that "excels at offense and defense" when that should have been what defenders were, but now they are just supports that are cucked from using the good support balls. the best buff they could give them would unironically be to just abandon the distinction and make them supports but this might ironically make the issue worse. imagine being able to equip caesar's engine on astra or something

>>632391 Defenders job was to keep the team alive. The problem is that the game (outside of the Tower) is to easy and in any case, you can always restart the combat.

this engine talk reminded me that there's a defense engine with hp% as main stat and it's special effect is impact lol

>>632391 >"excels at offense and defense" I think rupture will just focus on "ult spam" and parry attacks because this accomplishes both of those by allowing them to invuln damage while keeping the offensive up.

>>632387 they can still be like that for most, they just don't have to do HP scale for the second rupture.

>>632396 yeah they can say that but this has always been fundamentally useless outside of a game mode that didn't even exist in 1.0. they obviously just realized too late that survivability isn't relevant to a game with a freely spammable dodge and parries and were just left with a class with no identity

Make my king great again

>>632387 >most abandoned class anyway I'm hoping for a new disk set like Mt King that lets Defenders shine a little more, hopefully if Seed is defender it comes with their/Orphies banner.

>>632358 Maybe, but I think they just gave it HP because it's her cope ball if you didn't wanna/couldn't roll on her wengine. Like I said I really believe they are going to make defenders basically the supports of Rupture agents, so it would make sense for them to have some kind of HP/Shield/Healing gimmicks, I just don't think we have enough evidence to assume HP specifically is going to be a staple of Rupture

How would you fix defense agents?

>>632340 >Personally I think adrenaline will be the thing rupture units share That's literally it, there is nothing about HP scaling inherent to Rupture, it's just part of Shishou's passive. What Rupture agents do have is a different energy bar to spam EX specials and damage scaling that doesn't factor in DEF. Rupture = Caster, from Arknights

>>632407 Make her shield global. Also buff the impact from her ult.

Give me the MC gender change option already Hoyo.

>>632412 make a third endgame pillar (not tower) where miasma corruption is giga aids and keeps you at low hp, and you deal less dmg at low hp. if you don't have a defender shielding you/healing you you will lose dps yeah it sounds ass cause defenders don't belong in this game. just delete the class and distribute the agents in it elsewhere

>>632418 I'd normally say never ever with this company, but ZZZ has been something of a trend breaker, so maybe someday

>>632408 They confirm more defenders this year. Maybe is Zhao, that would be funny. >>632412 I honestly don't know, I can only think of buffing the damage from the bosses outside of the tower, but I would hate that.

>>632391 it's just a pattern, not a strict mechanic, but the pattern is that any defender with a QA goes in reverse order. same with stunners. supports have forward direction QA. it's not fancy, but it's why the pan/pulchra team sucks dick and they definitely use it as a balance tool. to nerf A ranks mostly, based on my headcanon that pan would be support if he was S

>>632406 It was relevant in original Hollow Zero Withering Garden for things like high contamination runs because those debuffs actually made the Nineva fight suck but they basically scrapped all of that anyways.

>>632425 That sound ass anon. Also I think we're getting another endgame soon anyway.

>>632412 i think it's fundamentally impossible to fix because the class makes no sense in context with the design, but you would have to design endgame content that requires extra survivability with undodgeable damage, like this guy's idea >>632425 but yea, that would be dogshit and would also limit team building too much when we only have 4 defenders in the game. if they were to reallocate the defenders to different classes then seth and panda would obviously be supports, caesar can become a real stunner and ben can be a DEF scaling rupture dps

also - there isn't actually anything inherently wrong with defenders. yeah all four of them are bad/mediocre outside of niche but that's kind of the agents problem there's no reason they can't just make a giga defender support with a crazy kit and wengine

>>632442 I mean yeah, they can do a support or DPS disguise as a defender.The class still would be ass.

>buffed Caesar now auto parries from off field and reapplies her shield doing so You rike?

>>632412 Hot take but I think defenders do their jobs perfectly fine and trying to fix them would simply be unbalanced. Defender is a new/casual players crutch, they're simple to play and keep your team alive when you haven't figured out that dodge countering is more important then tanking hits. They just seem like shit from a skilled players perspective because they're purpose just isn't very purposeful in high end content. Which is partly why I think Rupture agents are going to have BiS defenders, it's the best way I can think of to "Fix Defenders". Giving them a new role to fill.

>>632437 Would it be accurate to describe Zenless as Hoyo's jankiest game? >Started off with a heavy emphasis on a tedious dungeon exploring mode juxtaposing the fast paced flashy combat, damn near everybody hated it, toss it >defender class is largely surpassed by other units >anomaly dominates dps, undermining attacker role >abandoning the initial premise of l337 hackers for a heavier focus on 'chosen ones' I still really enjoy the game, but it does feel like its gone through a lot of bumps and shifts with each patch.

>>632442 >there's no reason they can't just make a giga defender support with a crazy kit and wengine unless they do something stupid like make the character jump on field when you're about to get hit then idk what they'd do to make a defender feel like a defender instead of just giga support like you said

Defenders consuming one parry point to parry feels really good against parry shill bosses like red Pompey so there is a vision there... somewhere. Maybe they could make Defenders an off-field support class you are supposed to always switch to with a parry to get a buff/shield/daze, but they didn't since that's just what stunners do nowadays

>>632442 yes they could just make a defender with giga stats but the class still would fundamentally have no identity and have no reason to exist in the game. said character would also be more reliant on their w-engine than miyabi or shifu ever were so i expect they'll do this eventually just to make people swipe some more

>>632451 ZZZ is at it's core a game held back by the need for it to be a gacha. all this defender stuff wouldn't be a problem if gachas didn't have to have rotating endgame modes that shill DPS agents to incentivize people to roll. if it was just a normal game with a normal monetization model a lot of the jank would be alleviated instantly

>>632448 > auto-parries. Too broken, also can fuck up my combos.

>>632412 Give up and roll them into stunners

They should give defenders the unique ability to defensive assist red flashes.

>>632450 they shouldn't have given astra healing tbh that lowers defenders use cases as crutches

>>632399 Shifu also gets anti-interrupt and damage resist during during basic attacks on top of every other skill giving her invul. I'm guessing if Attackers/Anomaly are like Long Sword/Dual Blades, Rupture would be Greatsword/Charge blade. >>632396 Shield buffs just seem like a bandaid for the fact that Defenders rely on the enemy's attack pattern to have use in a team. Ben and Seth have wimpy shields, you have to dodge to maintain their buff anyway. I think the main appeal of defenders is good defensive assists with some half decent burst damage/daze, but there aren't many agents that need that AND don't just want a support or stunner. Especially since half of the stunners are effectively supports too. >>632456 That's not even unique to them. Soukaku and Koleda have cheap parries too.

>>632458 I mean if it was a normal game it would be dead already

>>632451 I'd say ZZZ the most dynamic and responsive development to ackshul player engagement statistics, instead of sunkcosting into things that don't work IE TV

Defenders bring some nice QoL/Utility to the table the devs just need to really crank that to make that sort of stuff competitive with the buffs that stunners or support bring to the table. >>632448 This but Caesar doesn't even need to be on the team she just shows up to parry shit if you own her

>>632462 Bwo, your evasive assist?

>>632427 What trends has it broken?

>>632468 >she just shows up to parry shit if you own her funny, love it, send it

>>632465 Yes, because it wouldn't be a live service game.

>>632463 It's her world. You're just living in it.

>>632451 Anon, they're young devs, they're learning. Genshin was kinda similar: 1. Some elements were dogshit at release. 2. Benett. 3. Lack of a lot of QoL options.

>>632469 Not the same thing. Imagine being able to defensive assist all of Typhons red flashes with Caesar.

>>632465 i mean this is a hypothetical, if ZZZ wasn't a gacha it wouldn't exist because hoyo makes gachas but it's hard to say it'd be "dead". it'd not make a billion moneys a month cause gacha is just an insane tried and true model for making money like that, but there are many live-service games that also make a lot of money that aren't gachas.

>>632471 Buffing Ellen so quickly There was another QoL change that they rolled out fairly quickly after one or two patches despite Genshinfags asking for it for years, but I can't remember what it was at the minute

>>632478 You can evasive assist those lol, but if you mean parry and interrupt any attack then Yuzuha can do that with her BA parry.

>>632468 >she just shows up to parry shit if you own her >global passive don't let the HSR players see this one...

>>632482 Bwo, evasive assists and defensive assists are not the same thing I don't know why you keep mentioning them. One builds daze, the other triggers vital view.

>>632412 Simple, start making more survival modes and less time based modes

the game is getting boring for me. any advice? might take a break. been playing since october, game feels stagnant to me. not enough complexity and innovation to keep me going on at the moment. 2.0 was good tho

>>632451 >Would it be accurate to describe Zenless as Hoyo's jankiest game? probably? the devs show their youth a lot and it became pretty clear that they weren't lying about it being a junior dev team making a passion project. i think this ultimately results in a better game even if we have to go through their growing pains with them. the most obvious symptom of this is the beta cycles since you would unironically never see a character get reworked entirely 3 times like alice did in the Other Games

>>632450 >Orphie Rupture >Seed Defence >Seed puts a 10% shield with aftershock damage (20% with m2) stacking up to 5 times >When Orphie ults Magnus fires a blast that consumes all shield for Nuclear damage Kinda a system like that maybe, then other Defense agents who shield like, all of them, would have significant value above basically anyone else to pair with her.

>>632412 they could lean into buffing the things people actually use for defense more generous perfect dodge windows, decibel bonuses for assists, maybe even interrupts

>>632475 it's ok cause I rolled >>632471 >>632481 oh yeah this is something I wanted to know, does genshin have the A rank selector box in their signal shop? thought that was a cool change for us, the other games in this genre that I've played didn't have it so it's new to me

>>632475 She owns me...

>>632480 How are they going to do it for a single player game though. BPs work for multilayer games. Dunno about SP ones. Maybe zzz would have turned into like, tekken or monhun

>>632450 a Niche defenders can have is that they deal more damage then supports, while they provide decent defensive/offensive buffs, Its why I think Orphie and Seed will prob be paired as a Rupture/Defense Team for parity with Yi Xuan and Jufufu. >Panda can be replaced by SEED because they will be S Rank Defense. >Jufufu can be paired with Orphie similarly how she can with Yi Xuan to enhance another Rupture character.

>>632483 I was joking about sheeza but they did do a free revive as a global passive didn't they?

Give some bosses Defender privilege assists. Make them Green flashes or something.

>>632458 >ZZZ is at it's core a game held back by the need for it to be a gacha That's really the biggest millstone on the game, and most of hoyos games for that matter. I really hope that rumor that hoyo is planning on developing a regular, non-GAAS game are true. >>632466 They certainly are more reactive which is nice. I'm certainly not complaining about the ditching of TV mode, but I am feeling mixed regarding the direction the overall plot seems to be moving. If they make the proxy an actual playable combatant I'll be deeply disappointed. >>632476 Certainly, Genshin had weird issues at the start (sending characters out on expeditions meant you couldn't use them, arbitrarily low resin cap, etc.) But I don't think they ever made as big a course correction as abandoning something that seemed as core to the initial design philosophy of the game as Zenless did by taking TV mode out back and putting two into TV modes skull. again, not that I'm complaining. If the zzz team leans more into the persona social link aspect of the game I'd be pretty happy with that. C'mon Hoyo, give us the sex update already. I will laugh and cry if ZZZ gets an oath system before GI. >>632498 Its interesting to see how the team adapts and mixes things up. To echo what I said previously I'd be interested if they start playing up the faux social angle of the game in addition to the combat. I was digging the world exploration they added with 2.0 jank aside.

>>632482 Oh shit yuzuha has quit a bit of field time is she the most on field support we had yet?

>>632493 Any attack with a flash can be assist'd out of. If it's red you simply don't have a agent with a matching assist. So you're saying that defenders should be able to assist any attack with a flash?

>>632517 soukaku

>>632517 soukaku... forgotten...

>>632465 I wouldn't mind ZZZ "dying" if it was a proper anime videogame franchise like Tales of series or Atelier, meaning it gets "revived" with a new entry in the "ZZZ" series every few years or so. Sadly only Japan seems able to do that.

>>632520 >>632523 Ok is yuzuha the support with most field time since soukaku?

>>632525 Are they though? We're getting our 3763678th remake of persona 4 after all.

>>632525 Tales mentioned Why is the PC port of Symphonia still so fucking shit 9 years later?

>>632528 No, realistically you defensive assist into her, use her skill, then swap out.

>>632528 Probably but that's a low bar, there's some stuff you can do to get her aftershock stacks on field and she does seem to have some grouping shenanigan stuff but she's still an off-fielder way more

>>632458 Good point however if ZZZ wasn't a gacha I feel we would get less girls overall

Gacha is irritating but the other options are like, buy a gay full priced sequel every two years or buy a gay 40$ 'expansion' every year. As far as longevity to soulless ratio goes the gacha model is not nearly as bad as some other options out there.

>>632532 That is just Fatlus being Fatlus Should have made a DDS remake instead of Persona shit to coinside with the Raidou remake

>>632528 yes, technically, but the last support we got literally presses one button and is never played again generally so the bar is in the gutter for field time

>>632543 >buy a gay full priced sequel every two years or buy a gay 40$ 'expansion' every year There's nothing wrong with this model you fucking zoomer.

>Didn't get invited to NTE Well, I guess I'm back here for the urban setting...

>>632543 I hate gacha as a system, but other than like Expedition 33 and Deltarune, there hasn't been shit I've wanted to buy this year. So might as well buy a pass every now and then if I know I'm gonna keep playing.

defender is in a rough spot because the game reward structure is 100% on beating the timer which means there's a meta imperative to roll dps and things that buff dps dodge and parry are so strong as a default feature that there's really no reason (out side of extreme skill issue) to roll defenders, which means that in order to be competitive in this reward structure defenders need to be buffers, debuffers, of off field dps, or a combination of all of the above the alternative is to make boss movesets so oppressively aggressive that penalizes your dps for missing dodge/parries that you are required to roll a defender but i don't think people will like that

I'm curious about whether or not Astral Voice will be usable on Yuzuha.

She finally picked up the phone ToT I have 4 (FOUR) pulls saved for Yuzuha Yanagi and Alice now Creator, refine my account... give me your early S rank win blessing

>>632554 usable? yeah for sure her best option? probably not, she wants the energy regen from swing jazz but has to run am6 and 2pc phaethon for more am. and she can't keep astral up infinitely as easily as other supports (she can still probably but it's more autistic and leaves less field time for your anomalies)

>>632555 Congrats bwo

>>632565 holy fuck that pulchra

>>632565 Uohhh naked mod sex resort ToT Ty bwo

>>632532 Good point, but like the other anon said that's an Atlus issue, not all game franchises get milked equally. I'd be satisfied with a ZZZ that worked like Monster Hunter, get periodic content drops for a somewhat active playerbase that keeps the game alive for some years until the next game comes. >>632534 Oh I haven't actually dived into the series yet, but that does sound like a Bandai Scamco moment.

>>632494 This idea I like

>>632451 I'd say it's the most experimental. The devs are stumbling a lot, but they're doing things other Hoyo games barely even try, listening to the players. Genshit straight up feels like the devs are trolling their sunk costed audience with monkey pawed QoL and dwindling pull averages combined with higher reliance on BiS supports. HSR devs are sometimes trying a bit like with the 50/50 changes or buffs, but they're still too up their own ass and just keep doing random bullshit with both the content and the balancing, which is awful in a game where endgame is mostly math. ZZZ devs are very receptive to feedback, almost to a fault, every patch there's different changes in all directions, and it's good but hopefully they'll find some stable vision on the content soon, as of 2 0 I think the game is in a very good spot (minus the absence of disc loadouts)

>>632547 Lmao, I'm not a zoomer, sorry if the Belle pic was misleading

>>632569 AFFIRM YES

>>632412 Astral Voice that gains stacks for Defensive Assists That's right it depends entirely on how active the enemy is

So i want to start prefarming for Yuzuha, what disk sets does she want?

>>632543 >buy a gay full priced sequel every two years or buy a gay 40$ 'expansion' every year. I'll take that over gambling $400 trumpdollars for a single character, or having to """save and skip""" content to get the following character for "free" as a f2p.

Nicole but improved!

>>632543 i haven't bought a "trad" game in while because now that i've experienced the gacha content development cycle i can't stand devs sitting on their ass for 1 year to churn out a $60 DLC (after the initial $80 buy in), which by then the playerbase is basically gone and there's no one to talk about the game with i'll never forgive fartshark for swindling me with $80 Darktide release and literally sat on their ass for a year to release ONE (singular) map update. or how WH3 is dragging their feet for almost a year to release a bunch of reskinned units DLC that they want $50 for. meanwhile i can choose how much or how little i want to pay gachas and still have access to the update free of charge. one and done games are only worth buying nowadays on sale and years after they finish patching their game

>>632600 see >>632250

>>632600 i think there is no ideal 4pc for her right now swing jazz is decent generally but has limited uptime astral voice will probably be decent as well but it will be hard to maintain 2 stacks freedom blues is probably a good choice if you use her with a physical anomaly the important part is 2pc phaethon for her AM buff

>>631855 far away

>>632603 Just bee lucky bwo. this is 2 months of IK since halfway through triggers banner

>>632543 Gacha is irritating but the kind of games I want don't get made anymore, the only games I have any interest in lately have all been rpgs. The last God Eater was 7 years ago The Soulsbourne menace devoured them all, Scarlet Nexus, Code Vein, they all wanted to be FromSoft shit

>>632451 Not really, Genshin Impact at launch was pretty fucking janky as well. I remember events required you to use resin which was hated and they stopped doing it after 1.1. Electro as an element was pretty meh until they buffed it around the release of Dendro.

Caesar getting an auto-parry wouldn't be too bad of a buff if it doesn't forcibly swap characters.

I became used the frequent update and active communities of MMOs but all MMOs lost all their magic 10 years ago so now gachas are what fill that hole.

>>632604 aint they supposed to lose their head to a black hole tho?

The more i think about it the less I want agent buffs. Buff caesar and that is it forever. You already have people clamoring for jane or qingyi buffs even though they are both great agents. Whats next after they buff qingyi and jane? Zhu buffs? Sanby buffs? Just too much man, you’re going to brainwash the community into expecting a buff cycle when thats not what they should be doing

>>632603 I am not saying gacha isn't evil. It is without a doubt. >>632605 >FatShark Fucking lmao, they do it every time

ass

>>632619 >God Eater The trilogy is on super discount on Steam right now, should I get into it?

>>632639 Just play PoE2