>>1383
you're the libertarian board monarch who thinks retards giving free money to support degenerate behavior has something to do with "low interest rates". You might want to direct your low-IQ detection towards the guy you can point at with thumbs

>>1384
>who thinks retards giving free money to support degenerate behavior has something to do with "low interest rates"
Buddy, the connection between lowered interest rates and increased high time-preference behavior is pretty basic economics. I could probably find high school students that could explain it unprompted if I looked around long enough.

>>1385
"degenerate" and "high time-preference" are not synonyms dipshit

>>1386
>"degenerate" and "high time-preference" are not synonyms
You dumb fucker, being a degenerate is by definition choosing a temporary and immediate dopamine release over more long-term ends. I've actually changed my mind, please keep posting here as often as possible, I laugh my ass off every time you do and it's therapeutic.

>>1387
you heard it here first, everybody. The jewish supremacist zionists who explicitly want to sow degeneracy throughout western nations to destroy all competing ideologies and bathe all the world except for israel in the literal fires of hell, the ones who have been working towards this goal for thousands upon thousands of years by this point, are "high time-preference"

>>1403
Don't be retarded, there is obviously be a difference between those attempting to sow degeneracy and those who partake in it.

>>1404
>don't be retarded
It's too late, he's already a NigSoc.

>>1334 >Studies show trans women who have dysphoria and transition end up having a higher quality of life and much less depression. It's literally the best cure for gender dysphoria. Okay I'll bite, the problem with what you're saying is that gender dysphoria is not a purely hormonal issue. By pushing someone full of hormones that don't belong there, you are fucking up a lot more while trying to fix this one problem. You are basically creating thousands of other problems just by fucking the hormonal balance of those people's bodies. It might help in the short-term but it will fuck them tremendously in the long term.

>>2987 What, deep-vein thrombosis? You get that with office jobs. Say it's as dangerous as being a roofer. You let people be roofers, don't you?

>>1296 Good analysis, and you're spot-on with this; >The only risk is that people tend to follow movements like lemmings and therefore if fascism maintains ascendancy over libertarianism then we'll wind up being an underdog movement again in a fascist land. This is a risk that libertarian movements face in general when cooperating with other ideological movements, and it's particularly true for fascism. The libertarian focus on the individual and the individual's rights and interests puts it at a disadvantage against collectivist movements. Fascists and communists are inherently better at mobilizing mobs thanks to the nature of their ideologies. >Although authoritarian fascism is less likely than libertarianism to win out in the U.S. it's more likely in Europe with staunch right-wingers tending to be anti-capitalist. I'm not entirely sure about that. It's true that the anti-capitalist right is much stronger in Europe. But the anti-mainstream right in Europe consists of parties like the AfD and Geert Wilders' PVV. They're right in the middle of that twilight zone between conventional rightwing parties and the far right - and they tend to viciously disagree with both. The clearest contrast with the far right is that these reactionaries are consistently pro-Israel and pro-gay rights (though they do tend to be skeptic towards the trans cult). The division between them and the mainstream right is fuzzier, but there's a clear contrast in that the reactionaries are consistently anti-Islam and are also generally anti-immigration (though they are significantly more positive about non-Muslim and ex-Muslim immigrants). These reactionaries tend to get labeled 'conservative', but they draw on Classic Liberalism more than anything else. They occasionally flirt with the idea of the state taking the reins of the economy, but they're just complacent capitalists 99% of the time. Though it should be emphasized that these types accept capitalism as a given reality, but not as a guiding principle. Authoritarian fascism does exist in Europe, but it's too splintered and too out of touch with the bulk of the European population to achieve the broad popular appeal that it needs in order to get anywhere. The European public has been brainwashed to be allergic to fascism and its symbolism, and this conditioning has been quite effective. And the pro-Israel reactionary right firmly outcompetes the far right when it comes to being the voice of rightwing dissent. Still - you're quite right that libertarianism is unlikely to win out in Europe. Actual libertarianism is almost nonexistent in the EU. The only saving grace is that a reactionary takeover in Europe would almost certainly result in oligarchy rather than authoritarianism. Opaque oligarchies aren't good either, but they're better than having your face beaten in by blackshirt militias.

>>3010 >The libertarian focus on the individual and the individual's rights and interests puts it at a disadvantage against collectivist movements. I think there may be a way to circumvent that. We can take agorism and use it as a strategy to achieve a non-state society and still retain their culture and heritage. For example say Hawaii secedes and adopts agorism to starve the state of revenue and create non-state institutions to preserve their culture. There are already a lot of Hawaiian groups that work on their own to preserve their culture. That and most Hawaiian sovereignty activists hate the government regardless of which party is in power. So we could take that model and apply it to other nations as well. Like Texas can use it to secede and achieve their own ancap society. Same with the Navajo, the Midwest and etcetera.

>>210 Russia maybe? I know not exactly ideal, but better than his current situation.

>>3044 Aye, Tommy Robbinson is already with us, we're waiting for the rest of our western bros to come over. We establish Ancapistan in Russia first, then we go save the west with a Reconquista.

>>3051 cute

>>201 >fascists >not monarchists You've been polluted by rationalism.

No, Fascists and Monarchists are both retarded and you are insane for considering allying with them. They're better than commies though.

>>3092 >Monarchists are retarded >Hans Hoppe

>>3092 >Monarchsits >retarded get out! reeeeeeeeee!

>>3093 Is Hoppe actually a monarchist or does he just say monarchy is a good temporary measure against democracy and anti-free market forces?

>>3003 I'm not even saying that we should delegalize gender change, because to be honest, I don't fucking care what retards do with their dicks as long as I don't pay for it, but I'm simply saying that it is not healthy to do and pretending that it is is pretty fucking retarded. Also, you will be bleeding from that fucking hole and have to jam something in it to keep it open.

No, fascists and communists are the same shit different coat of paint. The only thing that is different is that fascists are more competent.

>>3092 Go be a nigger somewhere else.

>>3108 Honestly, yes. While he might not go parading around constantly in support of the old houses, he basically came to the same conclusion as Von Kuehnelt-Leddihn in that democracy is an eternal threat to the market and social order. (Although VKL cared less about the first) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTWrFTFxGbk

an alliance with national-anarchists and anarcho-fascists would be interesting.

>>3873 >an alliance with national-anarchists and anarcho-fascists would be interesting. I've never been entirely clear on what the differences between the two were.

You are all insufferable fucking retards, no wonder this board is fucking dead

>>3895 O.K..

>>201 Yes liberty is based on high trust and a common culture.

>>201 I opened up this thread more than a year ago, mostly to shitpost and keep the board alive, and I don't know but I think with the corona hysteria many libertarians have lost hope in the social aspect of libertarianism. Jeff Deist and Tom Woods, when I hear them talking it's like they are moving towards some weird austro-conservatorism thing. Deist is even talking more and more about Burnham and the managerial class. I don't know.

>>4252 It makes sense. I mean, the lockdowns and Corona hysteria SHOULD have been libertarianism's chance to shine in the same sense that the Corn Laws made Henry Cobden and a chance for libertarianism to shine a couple centuries ago. It had a clear-cut case and readily made political movement that would usher in another era of libertarianism. I mean, you're talking about making entire cities and countries into prisons, and obvious hysteria over something for which more and more AND MORE evidence piled up and continues to pile up that it's not. And yet, despite all that, libertarians STILL failed to make a case for liberty. I think what happened to Deist and Woods was that, "Well, if liberty can't even take root with such fertile soil, then it's not happening."

>>4253 in today's episode of the TWS you can hear where Woods is going more or less if you are curious https://youtu.be/MKPjEmGHW_k?t=1779

>>4255 More and more I think the vast majority of people simply can not be persuaded of libertarianism. Sure, maybe there's some people who have a receptive carrier, but the vast majority will be socialists and there's nothing we can do. Case in point, the Ultimatum Game. There exist numerous people who not only are perfectly willing to, but think it's the right thing to deny both parties get anything. There's no road to Damascus for someone like that.

>>4256 What is happening now, in terms of the popular reaction, should not be surprising. There was never a period in history where most people were libertarians by default. But I don't think people are socialists by default either. I think a lot of them simply don't have the time or desire to deal with politics, and the only reason they look like socialists is because that's the convenient line that they're fed--memes like "the hospitals are overwhelmed" and such. One should also be careful not to look at the curated narratives generated by Twitter, Reddit, and CNN as examples of what the average person or the "majority" actually think or care about. While things look bleak now and are likely to get worse in the near future, you also have millions of Americans who feel like the political system is no longer legitimate. Plenty of people now have firsthand experience of government intrusion into their homes and workplaces. Plenty have been ostracized from the Big Tech/MSM walled garden. If it turns out the Biden-Harris administration actually drink their own Kool-Aid, this will escalate. By being forced to adopt an outside perspective, those people will have to confront certain fairytales--that the government exists to protect them, that "the government is the people", etc. By no means are these effects limited to groups of people small enough to be memory-holed. Around 74 million people voted for Trump. That's around a quarter of the country's population. Those aren't numbers that you can just disappear. It took Mao four years to kill 50 million people in a country with double the population of the modern US. Couple that with non-Trump voters who have had their livelihoods or seen others' stomped on just enough to wake up a bit. This "should" be libertarianism's chance to shine, yes. But what are you expecting? Are ANTIFA going to throw down their arms when they hear enough facts and logic? Are Govs. Newsom, Whitmer, and Cuomo going to see the light and stop strangling their cities? Is CNN going to start reporting the truth? Are school teachers working from home going to admit that the risk of a kid catching COVID-19 and spreading it is infinitesimal? No. The revolution does not happen on r/politics. Where the change is likely to happen is with those who have seen the ugliness firsthand. That's where we should look.

>>4257 >This "should" be libertarianism's chance to shine, yes. But what are you expecting? I was expecting another Ron Paul moment where you had a large group of youth join the liberty movement. I was expecting another Henry Cobden moment where you'd see a lot of anti-lockdown organizations sprout up. I know Antifa isn't going to throw down their arms, but that there was _zero_ growth for libertarians in a time like this, and instead Antifa and lockdowners grew in strength? I mean, imagine if in the middle of the Holodomor you had government support increase even more. It's made me a complete defeatist. >Where the change is likely to happen is with those who have seen the ugliness firsthand. I don't think we're going to see it there, either. You've got people dealing with lockdowns and mandates and lost their jobs and livelihoods because of it who clamor for even more lockdowns and mandates. I remember Rothbard used to talk about how "They talked about the Socialist Man, where they could change human behavior to make socialism work--well it turns out the human spirit is more resilient than that!" I think he'd eat his words now. I don't know if it's because of some MGS2-like "Selection for Societal Sanity" that the government has made with the help of Big Tech, but I wouldn't be surprised. >By no means are these effects limited to groups of people small enough to be memory-holed. Around 74 million people voted for Trump. That's around a quarter of the country's population. Those aren't numbers that you can just disappear. It took Mao four years to kill 50 million people in a country with double the population of the modern US. Couple that with non-Trump voters who have had their livelihoods or seen others' stomped on just enough to wake up a bit. I think it IS going to happen: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2021/january/20/viral-trumpsnewarmy-video-is-liberals-at-their-craziest-and-scariest/ Coupled with the fact that there has been no Battle of Athens against the fraud means that, yes, there's a lot of people here, but unlike Mao, I don't think there's going to be any significant resistance. Over this past year, Antifa has shown bigger and more effective riots than the one measly staged event at the capitol. >you also have millions of Americans who feel like the political system is no longer legitimate. Plenty of people now have firsthand experience of government intrusion into their homes and workplaces. Plenty have been ostracized from the Big Tech/MSM walled garden. If it turns out the Biden-Harris administration actually drink their own Kool-Aid, this will escalate. Historically speaking, I would argue that accelerationism tends to lead to more tyranny in the long run, not less. Sorry for being all blackpill and shit, but these are just the thoughts that have been running through my head for the past few months. I'm on the level of expecting gulags to crop up (LITERAL gulags) and trying to mentally prepare myself for how to deal with them and how to conduct my life when they do.

>>1334 Would you tell someone who has an irrational psychological need to chop off their own arm to get it removed or recommend them to a therapist? If someone goes to the doctor with suicidal thoughts should he prescribe a gun and a room to blow their brains out in? You don't understand the issue of having permanent physical solutions to what is objectively a mental problem?

>>4271 Reminder.