>>3536 The main problem with people like us, the Libertarians, [insert your ideology] is that we won't dare to meet in the real world anymore, because we fear the unknown, we fear strangers. The digital world allows for us to proxy social interaction but we fall victim to paranoia, to "what ifs". For users we keep in contact with, we fear they may be less genuine offline, more radical than us, even possible infiltrators… Which gives off a lingering feeling that we're in trouble for supposed misbehavior. We are too dependent on the internet, we have to go to the real world, to our neighbours.

>>3538 We're at another disadvantage. I never really attended meetups before. Libertarianism is appealing because I don't really like dealing with politics or government and having a small one is an easy way to prevent my having to intervene. I'd show up to one now, but I'd probably have my reputation slandered for daring to suggest we don't run a welfare state. Libertarians are just not the sort of people who enjoy going to city council meetings, and there's no real reason to get together when our political aims are "do less". Plus, there's now a bunch of jackass "Libertarians" who are alt right or neoconservative masquerading as small government idealists but then going hard big government on specific issues. In short, they're libertarian when they want to be and think they can dupe other libertarians and conservatives into doing their bidding. The number of ideologically pure libertarians is basically zero. Even I've effectively decided that, on the world's stage, the small government cannot work in the post-Cold War world of the Imperial Presidency. The best I can hope for is gutting city councils, county supervisors, and placing heavy restrictions on domestic regulatory power and use of force.

>>3538 >>3539 Thanks for the opinion, but i wanted to brainstorm on local comunitties organizations, not to heard you guys are afraid because x. And believe me, there is lots of ordinary people out there that share libertarian views, they just are afraid as you are because the ilusion of common sense created by government and leftist influence groups, one thing i even propose is how to protect them and convice them all this is a lie and that government and this groups have no real power that cant be challenged by common folk if they put effort to it and organize. I do not want to discuss this ilusory belief and fear, i suposed this was a serious libertarian board that already knows about that.

>>3536 The only proper libertarian organization is founded on bourgeoisie values, this way it will be incorruptible by crypto-leftists/SJWs. Libertarianism is just a side-effect of master morality, this is what makes people anti-government and pro-markets, not the ideology itself, freedom is an emergent thing, you cannot force it for the same reason that you cannot force prosperity or equality. If you live in a society of slaves, it will revert back to slavery, and if you live in a society of masters, they will not accept being lorded over. Your organization can be a club, a business, a charity, but it has to at least be an excuse around which to organize communities based on bourgeoisie values. The goal is to show people what master morality is to help them get their power back, so that once they are free in their hearts and minds, they will want to be free in the physical world too.

>>3542 Is the imageboard our club?

>>3543 I guess you can say it is, except without all the socializing, and we are also stripped of our identities so only our thoughts have value here. We need "clubs" because we need echo chambers, and we need echo chambers so that we aren't constantly at war with opposing ideas and can develop our own ideas further by engaging in higher level conversation instead of being stuck at square one trying to explain basic shit to randos who aren't on the same page. Of course ideas need to be challenged sometimes too, but it's a ying-yang, catabolic-anabolic process, we need both, but there's already enough places for libertarian ideas to be challenged as it, and not enough places for them to grow and develop, something that the critics of echo chambers and the crusaders of "free markets of ideas" never admit. Imageboards are a collective consciousness where recurring ideas eventually crystallize into tight, efficient packages called "memes" and go on to evolve and have lives of their own in the infosphere. This can happen in irl clubs too, but at a much slower rate, so keeping the government out of the internet is critical, but OP asked for irl organizations, so...

>>3536 >how to organize local bussinesman and communities to slowly become anti government and be prepared for all types of situations? You don't. Most people in Burgerstan who become pro small government didn't come to be that way because they have such a great ideological attachments for the free market, or for whatever happened to come out of the Cato Institute that day, but because they've personally experienced the government fucking with their lives--this is why most small business owners end up being conservative. If you want to convince the masses to lean this way, telling them to ReAd LoCkE or otherwise get ideologically invested in this kind of thing is a non-starter, besides for the fraction of a fraction of a percent of people that are as autistic as we are. Instead, you should just point out ways that the state interferes with them personally, and makes their life more difficult.

>>3571 Yeah, i understand, thats a way to make the 1st doings. The 2 doing would be organazing with clubs and societys. the third one would be giving organic continuity of this over the ages (survive generation changes) and expansion with network. In my vision the current debt system is doomed to colapse and take the social lasting tissue with it, it would be good to have people in places of power (private) all over so they can use the created network to help in society taking. Also, is the Galts Gulch and option these days? If it exists, pls call me.

>>3536 As I see it, somehow creating a parallel black market that covers most of what could be traded would do wonders to help the spread of libertarian/ancap ideas. It is one thing to tell people why taxation is theft and all of this moral stuff, and it is another (much better idea) to appeal to their selfishness and offer them alternatives that: 1) Avoids all bans and prohibitions: Providing people with things they otherwise couldn't get because the state has eliminated them. This could be specially effective because there is no "surface market" equivalent to what they want so their only option would be the libertarian black market. 2) Avoids all bureaucracy and regulations: People will naturally like a market where they aren't asked constantly "oi you got a loicense for that m8?" and they don't have to do inhumane levels of paperwork just to sell and buy simple stuff. The libertarian market has to provide easy, quick. brainless transactions. 3) Avoid taxation and thus (probably) decrease prices: This is the one I'm more interested in and also the most difficult to attain since although buying and selling shit under the state's nose could help you avoid taxation, all the stuff that has to be in place to make such transactions possible could end up being more costly than just cucking and paying your tributes. And I say this one's the most interesting because if you can effectively bring prices lower than those of the clear market, you won't need people to believe in anything libertarian, they will naturally engage with the libertarian market because they are greedy, cheap and want the best prices. This is what I think needs to happen if you want a network to exist and prosper. It has to be not just one of "let's share ideas" because that only appeals to autists like us, but also extensively include some kind of market that is separate to the one controlled and regulated by the state. This could be started first in local communities, somehow convincing people to trade shit in secret even if just for the sake of it, and then slowly expand it to nearby communities.

>>3587 So crypto?

You know, one idea that's always tossed around in libertarian circles but never really fully fleshed out or acted upon is the idea of making a crypto-based insurance company whose purpose would be to insure against stuff that the government could do to that company.

>>3592 Hmmm, elaborate.

>>3587 Exactly, basically agorism on steroids. Another idea is instead of trying to release the market from the state, you assimilate the state by the market, forcing it to be a market actor and competing non-violently.

>>3592 It sounds like an easy way for someone to run a scam, who knows where the insurance money will go.

>>3598 This is probably the reason it always gets bounced around, but never acted upon; even if you start thinking through crypto escrow contracts. There is a video of Hoppe though, where he says that if this ever comes to pass, anarchocapitalism would soon follow.

>>3599 >There is a video of Hoppe though, where he says that if this ever comes to pass, anarchocapitalism would soon follow. That's one hell of a prediction, and one hell of a reward for whoever achieves this first.

>>3599 Care to share the video?