>>5512 >why is the truth pro-russian There is no objective way to look at this that makes NATO the good guys. The people of west ukraine are ethic russians, they speak russian, they literally voted to join the russian federation in a 2014 referendum (which putin rejected) and they have been terrorized by the ukrainian military for 8 years before russia finally intervened. So we're not doing this for them. The whole thing is just a money laundering operation to feed tax money into the military industrial complex. Nobody actually gives a fuck if keiv is ruled by washington or moscow. The only sane thing to do is negotiate a peace. No that doesn't mean "giving up" or "giving putin what he wants". It means you negotiate a deal that works for both sides. And you stop sending teenagers into the fucking meatgrinder just so the CEO of raytheon can buy another yacht with taxpayer money. >he Scott Horton for people who didn't know what he looks like.

>>5519 you have been groomed by the "mises guys" and affiliates to say this. It's okay, many have fallen for their lies, including me. One simple example "they speak russian!!!". Well, everyone in Ukraine speak russian, because that's what the soviet union forced them to do. Only recently they made a law to have more stuff in ukranian. Of course then russian assets have spread the news that Ukraine was banning people from speaking russian, which is false. Also the problem with Scott Horton and the "mises guys" is not in the solutions they propose, it's that they only tell half the story so Russia appears mostly innocent. Another thing they have in their bag of disinformation tactics is that they invite people that just spread fake news when their russian handlers tell them to go a little harder. So, they end up clean because they "just invited the guy to hear all sides", except that they never invite pro-ukranian sides, they never talk about libertarians that are being persecuted by the russian government for being against the war, etc etc That's the sad reality. If you begin to look at their stuff considering the possibility that they are working for Russia, you will begin to see the cracks in what they say and eventually you will figure it out yourself. This sadly goes up to the Mises Institute. Sorry for bringing you the bad news. There truly are no good guys.

>>5520 Mostly based, but >There truly are no good guys. False. The Ukrainians are White Christian men like us, fighting for blood and soil. The Russians invaded them to steal their land and enslave them, and they resisted. It's just that shrimple.