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What can man do that a neural network can't? Anonymous 04/19/2025 (Sat) 02:36:37 No. 7020
I mean, there's the concrete and formulaic aesthetic aspect of art, and then there's the expression part, the part that gives it life. I think we deserve this. We've been commercializing art ever since we could televise talent, and since then we've been chasing the the ultimate formula for what attracts our sense of appeal. It started with the golden ratio, ended with the revelation that anime characters look like cats. People forgot about the other half of the definition, which was expression. Have you ever heard someone sing, and has it touched your soul? We can dissect what made it resonate with you, the way the voice cracks, the timbre, how the vocal folds constricted and relaxed, and try to replicate it all scientifically. But I don't think we can. It's just too magical. It must be connected to the turbulence and the uncertainties of the quantum fields. You can't rely on your prefrontal cortext for expression, man. You gotta turn that off and go on your instincts, just feel what's right and channel it out, like grabbing ahold of some kind of magic from a higher being and doing what it tells you to do, without thinking. Let the puppet strings take over. Do you use your pencil to "sing" out your drawings? Can you draw without thinking? Does every line need to be planned, and scrutinized? And I don't mean that the strokes should be random, I mean that you should let the higher being take over, and you shouldn't fight over where the strokes should go. The higher being knows better. And the higher being is not god, it's you, it's you without your prefrontal cortex. You can turn that off. It's what freestyle rappers and tennis players do, and it's what you do when you mow the lawn every week for the 900th time. Have you guys watched old cartoons and old western animations? They were made by people who had to talk to humans every single day, whose minds weren't corrupted by this formulaic, meta bullshit that seems to suffocate the sincerity out of most modern interactions. I could feel the sincerity in their fucking psychiatric medical textbooks. The way they explained mental illnesses back then were much more intuitive, much more connected in relation to our humanness. What the hell happened to just drawing? Just looking at life, and not replicating life, not studying life, not forcefeeding life into ourselves, but simply partaking in it, and letting it flow out onto the paper? When did fundamentals becoming a crutch to walk on, and not a point of reference in the back of your mind? We used to draw what felt right, and then used fundamentals like anatomy to supplement our work. Art has turned into a soulless pursuit of aesthetics, and when they fed our formula to a machine and it replicated it, and then we got mad. That's on us. We can only beat the machine by regaining our sense of expression. Go ahead and just draw pretty pictures if you want, but for humanity's sake, have some goddamn fun with it... god. We're more than wires in a box, aren't we?
Edited last time by loomis on 04/19/2025 (Sat) 15:02:15.
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>>7021 Well thats certainly one thing a robot can't do
This is a pretty based take tbh but goddamn is that a earful. Eyeful. Whatever.
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>>7022 *coughs*
>>7029 Goddammit so it took that away years ago
Art has always been formulaic, way back since the dawn of society. Works that diverged far from the status quo were not popular. If you want your work to be popular and well-received, you squeeze yourself into the confines of a genre and do your best to be creative within the unexplored areas and possibilities of the space. Once every so dozen years, a genius comes around and shakes things up more than usual, everybody starts copying their work, and it goes right back to being part of the status quo. The representative art community cares too much about creating work that will be well-received; people who truly do their own thing are hard to discover and usually don't make work that is well-received. There's a reason why artists have a history of practicing by copying other artists. Because you need to absorb the artwork of the moment to exist within it. Machines can do that, but neural networks don't have taste, they simply replicate the average of whatever genres in their dataset. Human artists are the ones that can actually push against the boundaries of genres and change them over time. I've never seen AI artwork that is truly "fresh" and trailblazing in the way that the artwork of a genius can be.
>>7064 Creativity is definitely part of it, true, but I'd actually say that in modern times we've had MORE innovation in art, especially styles, concepts and character design than in past years, and that's due to the focus shifting on aesthetics instead of expression. But you're right, AI wouldn't be able to create groundbreaking ideas that would shatter the foundations of the cultural landscape, the creativity that we percieve from AI is just the network being able to access much more ideas than a single human brain is able to, and then remixing them. But there's got to be more to the soul than just that. There just got to be. This artificial intelligence thing is just, it MUST be just a stepping stone in advancing the collective philosophical ideas of the human race.
>>7103 Elements used to be magic too, y'know. We used to wonder where caterpillars come from, why the sky was blue. We used to wonder what the smallest possible piece of bread could be cut with what could be the thinnest possible knife. Now we know about atoms, and the quarks inside of those atoms that are possibly connected by strings of energy outside the confines of our 3 dimensional space, possibly. Imagine how magical the world must have felt 100, 1000 years ago. Imagine the wonder, the mystery. And right now, we just found out that a machine can be intuitive, able to read the room. We're actually surprised by the incredibly natural way an algorithm contextualizes information. And it's fucking up our undedstanding of human conciousness, and the soul. Maybe we're robots too, and our neurons are just wires. I refuse to believe that. Because I know it. I just feel it in my heart, that our soul is more than that. I feel the emotions, I feel the experiences when there's someone out there skilled enough to accurate express them. It's there, it's beautiful, and sometimes I feel crazy for even percieving it. But I know it's there, it has to be. If my head is making it all up, then I think I'd rather just kill myself than live in truth with my brain finely tuned and "fixed".
>>7104 Anyway, going back to the creativity tangent. I think that designs of the past, in animation and cartoons were a lot more simplistic, even boring by our standards. But when you listen to the actors acting out the characters with their voices, I think there's a a sort of authenticity about the way they say their scripted lines. It's just not as polished. I like to think that the writers weren't poisoned, restricted by ideas of what "impactful" or "good" writing would be. They weren't regurgitating phrases, or meme-y concepts and tropes popularized by media and the internet, they just wrote from their heart, they just pulled from their own little bubble of experiences, and probably from the little bubbles of other people's experiences, of the 50 to maybe a few hundred people they interact with in their lives. That's all they had, after all. So they had to scrimp, and scavenge for the little bits of life and experiences, and write it out into their works. And the singers, and the voice actors, and the people who painted the backgrounds, and the animators, and the special effects people. They weren't poisoned by what we modern people have of a hivemind either. They didn't have time or the convenience to pull from the little bits of knowledge accumulated by millions and millions, they just dealt with the restrictions. They just sucked it up, and did what they can. It was fucking beautiful.
>>7105 Crude, unpolished, simple, and humble. And fucking beautiful. We're not going to lose that magic. It's there, it's always been there. And this neural network revolution is going to keep pushing us towards the truth of the magic. I hope we never get there, even after we figure out interdimemsional travel and conquer the stars and the universe and after we enslave or make coalitions with other alien races. I hope we never even get a glimpse of the truth.
>>7105 More than just being hivemind, the entertainment "industry" at large doesn't like taking chances on things anymore, it really exists as a game for somebody to try to make money from. The knowledge is not the poisonous thing. The poisonous thing is the executives that are going "okay great, that other thing worked! Let's do that thing again!" The natural human tendency is to move forward and try to be better. But what the industry just wants is for the industry to make MONEY better, not push forward the MEDIUM. The talent doesn't want to create the next mediocre superhero movie. They'd rather be working on new IP, working on things that are ambitious and might not succeed because of that ambition. Anything besides something that was manufactured by analysis to be as likely to bring in revenues as possible.
All because of Cuckcartes and cartesianism
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>>7111 What is the alternative? Draw like an Egyptian?


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