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/#/ - Numbers Anonymous 04/23/2025 (Wed) 17:08:58 Id: 56be35 No. 10898
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>>10898 APR 2025 GOLD >1) 129,454: Miko (hololive) Live2D Debut >2) 81,267: Flare (hololive) 3D LIVE Birthday >3) 46,695: Fubuki (hololive) holo elementary school test Okayu vs Shion >4) 184,223: Sho (nijisanji) 3D Debut >5) 48,339: Calliope (hololive) 3D BIRTHDAY LIVE >6) 77,286: Miko (Hololive) reacting to clips >7) 45,212: Miko (Hololive) Mario Kart 8 >8) 50,413: Subaru (Hololive) Mario Kart 8 w/Okayu >9) 50,476: Pekora (Hololive) Mario Kart 8 >10) 78,964: Miko (Hololive) MikoRoom with Shion >11) 190,860: Rou (Nijisanji) 3D debut >12) 103,110: Itsuki Sakyo (Nijisanji) Debut >13) 110,842: Korone (Hololive) 6th Anniversary 3D Live >14) 39,299: Miko (Hololive) Pokemon emerald >15) 49,303: AZKi (Hololive) KanaAzuKoro butt battle >16) 243,897: Gura (Hololive) Graduation announcement >17) 72,646: Pekora (Hololive) HoloRust server announcement >18) 150,894: Rai (Nijisanji) 3D debut >19) 78,841: Watame (Hololive) Beyblade tournament >20) 111,537: Kanade (Hololive) 3D BIRTHDAY LIVE >21) 63,863: Kiara (Hololive) 3D LIVE >22) 130,978: Kanata (Hololive) 3D BIRTHDAY LIVE >23) 93,113: Nimi (Indie) 2D Live model debut > PER COMPANY 18x: hololive 4x: nijisanji 1x: indie > PER STREAMER 6x: Miko 2x: Pekora 1x: Flare, Fubuki, Sho, Calliope, Subaru, Rou, Itsuki Sakyo, Korone, Gura, Rai, Watame, Kanade, Kiara, Kanata, Nimi
GRIM
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>>10898 >>10900 100k by holos in 2025 1. Holo new year afterparty (hololive/01-01) 2. Pekomama Collab (Pekora/01-01) 3. Mikorone part 1 (Miko/02-01) 4. Mikorone part 2 (Korone/03-01) 5. Ceres Fauna graduation (Fauna/03-01) 6. Gomaku tourney draft (Miko/04-01) 7. Gomoku tourney part 1 (Miko/05-01) 8. 4th gen 3Dlive (hololive/05-01) 9. Gomoku tourney part 2 (Miko/05-01) 10. Janken tourney (Pekora/11-01) 11. Pekora Bday 3D Live (Pekora/12-01) 12. New years games festival (Towa/13-01) 13. HoloX anniversary 3DLive (hololive/19-01) 14. Sakamata Chloe graduation 3DLive (Chloe/26-01) 15. Peko Vs Marine clubhouse game 51 (Pekora/02-02) 16. Holo typing speed contest (Miko/01-03) 17. Oozora Subaru anniversary 3D Live (Subaru/02-03) 18. Sakura Miko Bday 3DLive (Miko/05-03) 19. Murasaki Shion graduation announcement (Shion/06-03) 20. Color Rise Harmony 1st Stage (hololive/08-03) 21. Color Rise Harmony 2nd Stage (hololive/08-03) 22. Color Rise Harmony 3rd Stage (hololive/09-03) 23. Nanashi Mumei graduation announcement (Mumei/28-03) 24. REGLOSS mini UNREAL 3D Live (hololive DEV_IS/30-03) 25. Sakura Miko 2D Live debut (Miko/01-04) 26. Inugami Korone Anniversary 3D Live (Korone/13-04) 27. Gawr Gura graduation announcement (Gura/16-04) 28. Otonose Kanade Bday 3D Live (Kanade/20-04) 29. Amane Kanata Bday 3D Live (Kanata/22-04) # of 100k streams last year: 58
>Have been so out of it because of deadlines that i only found out that Gura was graduating now Wtf is wrong with EN.
>the raora praise kink is real
>1 >Knows about 8chan but not Guras graduation
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Sora thinks Raora is retarded
rollan
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>>10903 NiggeRock
Podium sweep soon
I feel like there is an increase in dance shorts from holomembers lately, not just on some of Suiseis new songs but everything else as well, particularly from Roboco and Irys in my timeline
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Gonna end up making a collage out of these.
Can't believe last thread lasted all day even with nimi model getting a bazillion views Where do vtuber fans congregate these days? Clearly isn't here (almost said holo fans)
>>10912 you forgot Shion
>>10913 twitter
>>10913 HoloTower
The trash filters itself.
>>10917 >what about dubais?
Rollin'
Biboogone...
>>10920 very breedable
biboo raided CC and CC getting new singing teacher
>>10918 I absolutely hate these people
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>>10912 >7 graduations in 9 months
>>10923 i want light color...
>>10917 Well yeah rider, get a job and commision them, you bum.
>>10917 should post that banger where he implied that he can't play games without self-inserting with his government name
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nigger nigger nigger nigger
>>10913 It's slower because you can't samefag and it's it's easier to ignore the shit posting
>do a random guerrilla in an early slot >instant natty 10k doryaaaaaaaaa don't look at the graph
>>10928 I haven't seen that one but it certainly tracks
https://x.com/banzoinhakka/status/1915096114635702309 LOL >FYI unofficial uploads don't contribute to the song's growth
>>10933 >You fucking dumb retarded sisters stop making TikTok edits
>>10933 save him Shiori
>>10933 >B-BUT I AM CONTRIBUTING TO YOUR GROWTH BY LIKING YOUR TWEETS AND SHIPPING YOU HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT I AM NOT DOING ENOUGH
Give me you anons favourite light novels I want something to read.
>>10937 Endymion, the Mighty Master of Magic
>beginning to become an anti of my ex-oshi and talking shit about her after finding a new one that fits my standards more didn't think i'd ever become a schizo till now
>>10913 Most 4chan users don't wanna use a board with IDs, it just becomes like any other social media website at that point.
>>10939 Just stop being a retard??? It's not hard yknow?
>>10937 rokka no yuusha
>>10938 Thats Yuhioh no? And I think there is a Index series with similar title. >>10942 Watched the anime and I think I read the novel some time ago.
>>10939 sounds like a cope because deep inside she's still the one
>>10939 starting to become* dumb ESL
oh also remember >The resistance kek
>>10937 Cooking with Wild Game Ascendance of a Bookworm Min-Maxing My TRPG Build in Another World Reign of the Seven Spellblades The Ryuo's Work is Never Done!
>>10916 I mean tower had a tiny thread at best due to the hololive focus
Is it botted?
>>10939 >Ex-oshi >Finding a new one Brown retard
>>10943 Yeah it's a joke about Endymion being too damn long >>10942 Didn't the author of that quit halfway to go work in retail?
>>10940 That or people are now more self conscious about extremely blatant samefagging as multiple threads have exposed
>>10940 IDs are incredibly effective at countering schizos, especially on a board as heavily trolled as this one
>>10933 Why couldn't the homos attract niji's viefarm fans though. All it takes is one mentally ill kpop adjacent fan to pump those numbers up if he really wants it.
>>10949 this was already debunked by experts
>>10949 What if some of these streams are randomly showing up on Youtube Kids, the most powerful viewfarm ever
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>>10948 Nice quads
>>10952 That's the point, not being self conscious about what you do or say, like you have to do for most of your life, is what made 4chan, a site that was stuck in early 2000s, have such a dedicated userbase to this day.
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>>10955 a real number god
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rollin'
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>>10937 Sevens Mushoku Tensei Demon Prince goes to Academy Otome Mobs Konjiki no Moji Tsukai Isekai no Mahou wa Okureteru Sword Arts Online
>>10962 i-i m pink...
>>10961 Looking at all those graphs, damn, Ennacuck really was an annoying piece of shit, innit?
>>10965 You're breedable
>>10962 bazo
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>>10964 Very nice.
Please dont be brown
>>10970 What the fuck is this color even?
>>10971 cocktail sauce
>>10933 NO MONEY NO MERCH NO VIEWS ONLY TIKTOK AND TWITTER
>>10903 >>10969 >liggers of course
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>>10965 You better start wearing an Aqua cosplay
>>10969 can't you post cc image instead of soya like a normal person?
>>10958 No matter how much you romanticize it someone replying to themselves 25 times with HOLY KEK KFP MOGGED KEKKAROO isn't a great selling point to the beauty of anonymity
>>10948 >I mean tower had a tiny thread at best Did you miss the uuu threads?. There's definitely more anons there then here
Holotower
>>10979 8ch vyt
>>10979 any way to see this site's stats as well?
I am a number nigger That is what i am
>>10976 I can post both.
Can't believe I'm brown today. Wtf did I do...
>>10979 >>10980 Holy MOGGED
>>10979 Im using it for /gem/ but the global thread is aids, wish they would just allow /#/'s but w.e I guess.
>>10948 /uuu/was going crazy on tower
Wait, did I post?
>>10989 FUCK, I didn't.
>>10983 there is no reason to post soya besides attentionwhoring
>>10934 He should have realized he needed to do his own shorts and tiktok edits. But if he tells em straight up and they still won't you know that branch is doomed.
>>10987 many thanks, we aren't doing so bad here seems like
>>10986 >the global thread is aids Truuuuuuue, too many people enjoying hololive and liveposting holo streams without any shitposting or holo vs holo
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>>10991 >NOOOOOOO you can't enjoy Soya even though you've been watching her for years Nah.
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Damn ERB fans really don't like CC
This is a subtle hint at Nimi "please do ASMR again" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLIElE5j_7w
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>>10991 Or if you're talking about indies. Which nobody was doing.
>>10979 >Holotower They have a blog where they posted some more numbers the first couple of days: https://holotower.wordpress.com/ Looks like their peak at the start was 14k unique users in 24 hours. Which is a lot more then I would have expected
>>10979 >>10980 Owari da... >>10984 That isn't Brown though https://colorkit.co/color/d7bb90/
>>11000 those 14k probably includes everyone lurking
>>10996 >NOOOOOOO you can't enjoy Soya even though you've been watching her for years i never said that
>>10980 like half of those are people switching IP
>>10940 >it just becomes like any other social media website at that point Funny you say considering how the tower is becoming more reddit each day.
>>10986 We're lucky that /#/ was allowed HERE. You don't understand, through years of shitposting and raids and samefagging, /#/ has been villified as the literal devils of /vt/ Other 4chan boards detested numbers, Kiwi Farms detests numbers, altchans detest numbers, Holotower shoots /#/ on sight, and don't get me started on normalfag websites.
>>11002 Probably yeah, but that's still higher then I would have thought
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Color check.
>>10995 They unironically still like shiori and pretend like nothing happened. Also saw some posts that that treat the homos as a neutral party. Its overall just to fast and no discussion actually happens. I would just like this thread over there along with ID's and the ability to filter.
Rollin
>>11010 Man gross color.
>>11010 SEAbrown...
>>11010 HaHa Brown
>>10940 >>11005 That said, are you that one anon that was romanticizing anonymity before? Freedom of action doesn't mean freedom of consequences, which many underage-tier schizos enjoyed. I, at least, hope that >we get a better class of schizos now, but considering the kittens shat up the thread last night, they probably will just ignore the shame of IDs and keep their normal retardation.
>>11006 Kinda weird to hate numbers when the vast majority of streamers care about numbers more than anything else
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MORI LOVE
>>11009 No shit lmao, the only people that cared about Shiori's homocollabs were /#/ and /shig/, Global was always "meeeeeeh" and other splits didn't give a shit about where Shiori put her stinky legs.
>>11011 I almost want to plap and reset...
>>11010 jesas, looks like it's your turn to cuckpost
>>11018 Own your bad luck, anon. Pretending they're human is pretty much how the SEA menace got so schizophrenic.
>>10979 Why do they hate #
>>11017 I dont care, which is why I dont watch her and prefer not to see anything about her get posted. They post her.
>>11017 In general most people just don't care about Shiori one way or the other. Other than ERB she seems to be the least discussed EN
>>11021 The common people's idea of /#/ by 2025 was that >we were a group of people that hated everyone and everything, botted girls to win our own horse races, and sent death threats to girls that dared to collab with men >Oh but I haven't done any of that Well, neither did I, but that's the reason as to why we're exiled here
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>>11019 This would be my only cuckposting
>>11021 fell for the psyops and boogeyman rhetoric
>>11021 We are the emperors sons, they fear the strongest soldiers
>>11021 The mods are obnoxious, constantly attention whoring in generals trying to be based and funny.
>>11021 Easy answer? Reddit and kittens. Long answer? More than hating /#/, they hate that they focus on the "big" ones and don't give their favorites, which tend to be 1view homos, troons, or homoens (graduated or otherwise), any consideration, instead mocking them. And since it IS a containment thread, schizos and kittens also use it to vent, so others can point out how the thread is one of the evils of vtubing. Though most of them are holo"fans" on the side because that's what's popular, which is funny considering their outlook. In short? Most of them are pretty much Rider clones with all the schizophrenia and lack of self-awareness that implies.
>>11009 they like to bitch about people not liking homocollabs with "nobody cares about homos stop talking about them" but okay with people talking about liking homos or homocollab livepost
>>11029 This is completely retarded, /hlgg/ has been liveposting Rust non stop while this thread posts homo rage bait and the usual Nimi time loops
>>11032 Yeah, if anything. /#/ homoposts 10x more than Global ever did. Even the new holotower
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GO BIBOO
>>11034 Biboo's subs always seem to explode during branch wide events. She definitely gets a lot of JP exposure every time
>>11034 we like Nerissa though so it doesn't matter
>>11036 We like Biboo, too
>>11032 >Nimi Irrelevant, she only popped up because of the outfit and the threads weren't even that fast
>>11024 I'll admit I was one of the ones who thought this before the move here, but now seeing how it's just one or two dedicated schizos that are responsible for basically all of the evil I do feel bad for the persecution you all endure It's too bad (they) decided to use /vt/ as a dumping ground for schizos and intentionally left us without IDs, competent jannies, or anything else to help
>>11039 Not to mention it was revealed mods and jannies would enable schizos in /vt/
my color is elite
>>11041 Agreed
>>11040 and one of them hates holo domination, we are basically holo thread even tho everything is ontopic
>>11040 Yeah, we weren't just a containment board, we were a honeypot
>>10997 Holopro was, is and will always be an absolute failure of a project, the sooner cober gives up on it the better.
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>>11046 *cover
>>11030 after seeing this and the vassociates tweets, it seems like the people running the shops always forget that email exists and would 100% be a better way to inform people who actually bought stuff
Nimi oblivion will save me
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>>11045 >>11049 Yeah I'm excited to see her play it.
>>11049 From what?
>>11051 My spooky thoughts and nightmares
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Been a good week for Nimi's subs
>>11053 Doki's sweating
>>10997 i mean...
>>11053 Well, the Gura graduation announcement was giving her a passive boost and the new model was a hit. The new model, once again, also got people to realize it was her.
>>11021 /#/ = /anti/
>>11054 Speaking of Doki's subs, Biboo should pass her in a couple of days
>>11055 this seems like bullshit
>>11059 Which part?
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now that they purged all the lazy what is cover next move?
>>11056 some people are so retarded...
>>11060 it was posted before and it was totally different
brown acting like brown
Shiori Hello Kitty Island Adventure https://youtu.be/JQT_PpWL5uk Mumei +CCGG Alphabet Tier List https://youtu.be/ENFvQFWoFFA Nerissa Zatsu (?) https://youtu.be/Eqcs_4AR2So Mori Member Stream https://youtu.be/zBCKOtFJSYI Promsie REPO https://youtu.be/F_EVW5Ig5QE Raora Chillas garbage [Convenience Store] https://youtu.be/usBLLXVSDrQ
>>11061 Attempting to teach you English
>>11029 /hlgg/ >watches JP streams >talks about hololive >enjoys idol shit /#/ >NIMI NIMI NIMI NIMI NIMI I HECKING LOVE NORMALFAG GRIFTERS PLAYING NORMALFAG /v/SLOP >a-and Biboo too I guess!
>>11063 Well it's the chart for April, and it's still April, so the data will change
>>10937 Harry Potter The lord of the rings Wheels of times Dark tower Malazan Book of Fallen Dunes
>>11063 april is still ongoing anon
>>11067 /vt/'s global thread was the shitpost central what had change?
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>>11071 Actual moderation.
>>11071 schizos get banned instead of protected by verifiably SEAnigger mods that's the only change, it doesn't even have IDs
>>11056 Who are these people??
>>11056 >dbkek >latinokek
>>10937 Infinite Jest Gravity's Rainbow Ulysses
>>11056 We'll still see some of this a year later I'm sure. I'm guessing she'll get another boost with the grad streams this week. Then it will depend what Mumei and especially Gura do following grad
>>11079 How is there still an Anyapetra global How is there a petra anything when bitch doesn't stream
>>11079 Wasted
>>11079 There's an Anya general here??
>>11079 There's an Anya general here??
>>11080 weirdly lot of smaller generals are more active here
I like how there's significantly less shitposting and blatant falseflagging because of IDs but there's still the tried and true green woman seethe that transcends boards.
>>11071 Holo vs Holo and Kiaraschizo gets banned on sight
>>11082 >>11083 Nah Anya general is in the tower, Anya-Petra general is here
>>11085 Something about the IDs make the seethe so much more desperate and sad
>>11087 >Anya-Petra general is here so basically, it's a thread just for nijiniggers? why would any actual Anya fans want to share a thread with nijinigs?
>>11090 Honestly I'm just confused how that thread has even existed for so long after the Anya fans went and made their own split
>>11090 Anya fans are on holotower anyway
>>11089 >sana imgs but she is white
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Why do people keep posting Nerissa's likes, I don't see this happening to other holos
>>11094 Because other holos don't like retarded shit
>>11094 He's pretty dumb to repost that
>>11094 Because she encouraged it
>>11094 Nerissa encourages them, intentionally or not. Also looks like she deleted that tweet
I do wonder what cover thinks of how well Nimi is doing by herself. Not to say they regret it or anything, though. But it's still surprising.
>>11099 they really don't care about streaming that much Nimi isn't going to compete on their turf which is building big mainstream multimedia franchise
>>11101 Glad he wrote this so that Shiori no longer has to cry, shit her pants, vomit over wondering where Kevin the Couch Potato is.
>>11101 >uhh I've been really busy can't watch you anymore but it's totally unrelated to other things you've been doing lately expect more of this to come from her regulars
>>11099 no use dwelling on it girls like fauna and gura were never suited for a corpo environment and would've graduated eventually anyways
>>11057 No one loves like /#/
Wonder if Not-Chloe is going to get hit with sub culling. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClS3cnIUM9yzsBPQzeyX_8Q She's at 90k now on an empty channel, don't think she's been hit yet
>>11102 >>11103 This nigger was one of his paypigs lmao and he seemed fine with the homocollabs What the hell happens inside her streams
>>11101 How do I get this cringelord imprisoned for 6 months?
>>11108 paypigs are always fine with homocollabs in the beginning, really the only ones she can hope to keep in the long term are the few literal cucks from her moe days that still watch her
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Nimi Gold
>>11113 lol no
>>11108 Shiori's paypigs are not doing it to support her, like most paypigs they're doing it for themselves to be a big part of the fanbase community. It's all for attention which is why they don't care about homocollabs. If you look at Shiori's twitter a lot of her retweets are her 3 paypigs for she cannot afford to lose them. It's another reason why they lean towards buying gifted memberships - they're literally paying for audience for themselves for they attentionwhore in member streams. Red SCs are too disposable.
>>11114 Just filter+ them, it gets better when you don't see the kittens.
>>11111 >>11112 This isn't Elden Ring....
>>11117 Full model means she's back to being a variety streamer Elden Ring spammer was a mini Nimi thing
>>11021 Tower loves Kiara
>>11120 We love Kiara here
>>11119 15k under overlap 20k without
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>>11119 Nimilion liters
If you saw someone wearing Mint Fantome merch in public, would you want to beat the shit out of them?
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>>11114 >He doubts
>>11118 But Oblivion sucks....
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>>11126 based digits
I wanted to see Gura graduation tour numbers but she's still mostly gone and she has a week left
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>>11129 she will really graduate without ever doing Advent collab
>>11119 Depends when the tier list stream ends. Waiting room is climbing pretty fast though
>>11126 Is funny
>>11129 She already did it when her brain wasn't mush and she could face the public.
>>11006 I used to not care about our rep since I just stayed in /#/ and chill low speed splits where we'd never come up in discussion. Perhaps I should have done more to defend us...
>>11132 >Advent collab ? unless you're talking about 1-1 ? same for iRyS , ERB and Gigi i guess
>>11132 Gura somehow increased her social anxiety over her hololive career
Festival just dropped a trvke on xitter
>>11136 >>11006 Not going to lie it was always ridiculous that people blamed this thread for everything when you had selenfag falseflagging and shitting up global, you had the kiara vs bae schizo shitting up global, you had a bunch of other schizos (including the original faunaschizo who actually went from global to /#/ shitting up global and everyone knew it was falseflags, but then couldn't understand that it was the same for other threads for some reason.
>>11139 Nigger what are you talking about, share link
>>11137 Hang the fuck on... IDs are fucking hex codes what the hell
I feel like this collab is going to get deleted
>>11116 kittens?
>>10951 Hearty kek >>10937 Raven of the Inner Palace - also has an anime Though I am an inept villainess Last and First Idol - this is actually a compilation of 3. Quick reads, has nothing to do with idol activities Manga I liked that are light novel adapts: I had the same dream again The one with the wolf and they're all stuck in some house finding a key for a big prize. I think this got an anime film adapt too
Gigi is extra horny today
I literally have no idea what this stream is. CCGG being retarded whilst Mumei watches?
>>11146 >today
I think if advent and justice had switched their debut dates then mumei and fauna wouldn't have graduated
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>>11147 Close. Mooms is drawing letters while they're being retarded
>>11111 >>11112 >over 3k waiting 30 minutes out That should be 20k+ easy
Mumei set a new standard for graduation tours
>>11155 What do you even mean? >>11153 Also what even is this meme?
>>11149 That doesn't fix the fundamental issues of a Japanese company working with people that can't or won't go full Japan Japan Japan.
>>11144 the discord kittens that raid the thread every now and then, what else could they be?
>>11156 An italian meme where it calls allah a pig or something https://youtube.com/shorts/18_RA0ZkiUc
>>11149 yeah ive thought about this a lot.
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Linear projection anons how we feeling?
>>11159 F for Indogs
>>11087 Is funny seeing which chan gets which threads
>>11161 Taking an hour to even hit 3k is something old Shiori wouldn't have had problems with
>>11165 I mean it's Hello Kitty Island Adventure and she's overlapped by the CCGGMoom stream...
>>10991 CC’s model is hot dogshit. Soya mogs the shit out of it.
7.2k
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Hello /#/ Global is for fags I miss 4ch
tapir on the telly
>(1)
10k DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I have to say, I have not seen Elizabeth's thread die even once on the tower. I never really paid attention to it before but I would see posts in /#/ about how it couldn't sustain itself. Are ERBtomos growing stronger?
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Big Nimi is a downgrade
please god let nimis debut buff end
>>11174 There's not enough threads for it to get pushed off fast and there's not a catalog schizo bumping garbage threads to kill global
>>11175 You'll love bigger Nimi
>>11166 ERB got significantly better numbers on the same debuff game under overlap >>11156 Mooms graduation tour is fun and dramafree
>>11174 its' too slow. They have stacks of global threads and a few capped out nimi thread that just sit there for days.
>>11176 I mean, we have seen numbers rarely before seen, it's a great competition for everyone involved. What would we win if Nimi was a 3k shitter? Hololive would have so little competition that it would be boring.
>>11176 >gura grad >new model >notgura collab >3d summer buffs never ends
>>11174 Not enough threads. There's about to be 3 1500 uuu threads up, not to mention all the 1500 globals sitting there
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>>11175 As a chibi fan my pain is unmeasured...
>>11176 3 month long debut buff
>>11032 yea this is why im on tower, don't see any point in current numbers when it just liveposts nimi and ignores holo streams
>>10933 UH OH AKU PIGGY YOU'RE SABOTAGING DABOIZZZZZZ
15K DORYAAAAAAAAA
It's even more obvious when Nimi is looking at chat it's so fucking cute man
>>11186 Maybe Holos should get better numbers lol
I think the mouth rigging needs more work.
>>11188 >16k
>>11179 I dont think she had overlap but she still did way better. I feel like old shiori would have at least had 3.5k
>>11162 Why is Aki being botted in the same way as the NijiEN homofags? Who could possibly be a fan of both? Must be a service they are purchasing.
>>10933 that's hilarious
>>11177 even the enjoyers thread doesnt die
Nimi >Karaokes >Elden Ring >Oblivion Remake holoEN >REPO/Bloodtypers/Split Fiction/Galaxy Burger/ and other indie co-op garbage that noone gives a shit about >SP Indie games >Rust in JP hours or while interracting with JP >Overwatch/Marvel Rivals >sponsored streams >karaoke streams NEVER EVER Hmmm, I wonder why holoEN is dying while Nimi is thriving.
>>11191 I mean you can say that for pretty much every holo
>1 She's so cute!
>>11194 Maybe someone felt sorry for her, her numbers no longer move with those fps collabs
>>11197 fps should be banned
>>11194 The botting is random
>>11197 Ignoring the rest of your shitpost I'm really surprised no one else is picking up Oblivion.
>>11197 >(1)
>the retard is not getting any Yous so he's plapping the router over and over Nimi Standard Time is one hell of an hour
>>10937 Otherside Picnic
>>11203 Biboo asked for permissions
>Silver ID I fucking won
>>11166 i don't really think theres alot of overlap between CC/moom's audience and shiori's. she mostly gets the same numbers everytime, she has her own small bubble inside EN for some reason
>>11203 Biboo said she's working on it
>>11207 Oh, I thought they had blanket Bethesda perms.
this is the gold today btw
CAM ON NIMI GIT DAT 20K
>>11197 Don't forget Homo Collabs and raids into Homo or Homo Collabs
>>11211 Even if they did no one is free enough to pick up a shadow drop game, they plan schedules at least a week in advance
>>11203 numbers aside, you boys want to see obvlivion? i feel like it's one of those games you are better playing rather than watching
Is she making her dead cat
>>11149 >moom collab bleeding like a stuck pig so much for Nimi not being part of the box
>schizos vs naplings nice thread
>>11203 >shitpost >brown Also, noone will pick Oblivion just like nobody picked Elden Ring when it released in EN outside of Ina and Ame. They got Pokemon perms and the first game Raora tried streaming was POKEMON DUNGEONS. These whores are dumb. Also, Nerissa karaoke when? IRyS karaoke? FWMC Rock n Roar when? Mori karaoke? Kronii? Even ERB (despite doing one today) rarely does them nowadays.
>>11217 Anon both her new kittens are also pure black cats. She just likes black cats.
effortless 20k
>Nimi 20k She's unstoppable. Now if only she did asmr more than once a year.
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20K DORYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
20k DORYAAA
>nimi just walks up unbuffed and destroys a holo graduation tour collab erm, guys...wasn't she supposed to be a 4k shitter after a month?
>>11203 its the perms, gotta get them first. it just released yesterday
>>11197 Any Biboo MC, GTA, now Rust stream, interacting with JP is infinitely more fun and builds lasting memories over whatever random game an indie decides to stream. You would have nobody to even write this statement about if there were no ex-holos.
>>11220 you are retarded and you don't watch streams.
>>11226 >random bullshit that nobody said fiiiiiltered
Cute Nimi Sneeze
>nimi sneeze
Test
1.5k bleed
LATE 20K DORYAAAAAAAAAA
>>11228 I'll give you Biboo's streams are kinda cute like her interractions with Su today But Mori/Raora get NOTHING by playing Rust. Unless most EN went all in (like GTA) resulting in more EN interractions this arc will lead nowhere
Can uncull not Gura beat Pekora and Miko?
GGCCmoom just called # trash bros
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Where the fuck do they find these girls? Do you think it's true that she didn't even try hard to get in but it was mostly management that handpicked her? How do you miss THIS badly? Is this what awaits us in EN5?
>>11236 Thats why I used her as an example. I would have loved if FWMC were accompanying her, they would have been perfect for this arc.
>>11121 uh huh lol
>>11237 For normal streams? In their own primetimes? No. They still have the better timezone for the most views.
so uh when will gura start her graduation tour? there's like a week and a half left for her
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>>11237 Nobody can beat Miko if she gets serious.
>>11244 Foolish of you to expect she would stream Like, that's the whole thing about her graduation, she wants out, no more streaming, ANYWHERE
When will they stop botting Nimi
Why do streamers suck at making characters?
>>11244 she doesn't want to stream under the holoEN name anymore the company fucked up she'll just do her graduation stream, take the SC money and fund her indie endeavors
>>11244 It's been happening all of 2025
>>11249 >Senzawa streaming
>>11245 I bet you don't have any buff miko images loser
>>11239 I guess it didn't work out for her.
>>11251 New Persona
>>11239 they are definitely looking at last gen subs, they will not debut EN5 when justice is at 400k
>>11254 >a new persona streaming
>>11239 3k is not bad
>>11248 If anything they just waste too much time on it because it's something you're supposed to do, when 90% of players just pick a default or roll random until they get something they like.
nimis odd tastes lol
>>11254 Persona 4 remake before Persona 6
>>11256 Yes without the shitty HoloEN management
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>>10955 >I-It's not botted >50k vod kek
>>11256 >#1 fan of @gawrgura & >& she will definitely update this and link her new account
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>>11252 I do
How am I supposed to watch her play when I just stare at her instead
>>11266 Shiori is very cute yes
rrats
RRATS
>24k did mumei just end? thats a big funnel
>Shiori 3.5K by Mumei's funnel d-doryaaa
>>11263 Yeah that's what I'm assuming will happen to. I'm just curious if she will have a different artist
>>11275 Not going to lie I think Nacho is kind of a hack and I feel like she can do better
>>11274 >hello kitty the game is shit but the funnel is so low...
>>11275 Hopefully. I don't even know if Nacho can art anymore. But they're following each other on Twitter.
>>11275 yeah, Nacho mama is useless
>>11275 Dudul
>>11276 >>11278 >>11279 At the very least she doesn't seem as close to Nacho as the others who have kept the same artist
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>>11275 She's always had good taste in artist. I have full faith in anyone that she chooses. I could see her going with shouu-kun though.
Nimi driving back seaters crazy lol
>>11281 surely the last promise collab will beat Nimi Oblivion
She is pissing Also she needs these anime hair vents to breathe
>>10955 normalfag trying to numberfag withouth having the very specific breed of autism to be able to recognize botted streams... very shamefur dispray
>>11281 GRIM lineup outside of Promise R.E.P.O.
this site is so slow now
>>11203 Mint was talking about it the other day, which is odd because Nimi didn't even play yet. They must be talking about their content behind the scenes
>>11290 .se is still down even posts without images are taking a while
>>11275 She'll definitely choose the FUCKING RIGGER kek
>>11285 If it's single POV probably will
>>11292 Bombardilo crocodilo sisters...
>return stream
>>11297 she left?
>>11297 why did the artist make her look like a man
>>11299 Tumblr sister
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Nimi a seductress
Is this not kinda grim for en? Or have shiori and ERB always been like this?
>>11297 since when did she leave? on that note, Who has the lowest average CCV on EN right now? shiori or ERB?
>>11301 She's a hot Milf now
>>11302 They've always been runts
Nimi Nightmare is the biggest EN vtuber in the world.
The site is so fucking slow. 5 minutes just to post an image.
>>11307 Nerissa's boobs are bigger
That's rough buddy
>>11308 >5 minutes just to post an image i think i miss my shithole
>>11307 True she grew 16 times bigger in one day
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>>11309 true
>>11310 Homocollab is a poison
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Bruh its been a week since Gura's announcement and she hasn't collabed with anyone yet, you think there's a chance she actually will not do any last collabs at all? >Mumei Doesn't count, that's more for Mumei's initiative in making some last content with as many members as she can before leaving.
>>11308 it took me about an hour to download the get filtered mp4
>>11310 Those two are management favorites and hopes to help the homos to incline...
>>11310 What her secret honestly
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>>11313 Jailbird are son lucky...
Nimi getting hornier by the second reading a Vampire story is peak
Nimi first slipped 25k by pissing, now she's slipping it by reading the Vampire novel
>>11321 Her love for Vampires is a detriment, clearly.
>>11321 pissing is a debuff?
>adhd addled zoomers fuck off during story time kek
>>11323 Simply no talking will cause people to tab out and not everyone returns
Nimi is really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really cute.
>>11315 Honestly, kind of based. If she's as indignant as Ash Again implies, the worst she could do is do nothing until her graduation date. Then immediately open a new roommate account and go full force.
>>11310 The absolute state of HoloEN, if EN5 isn't a fucking miraculous EN sankisei SSJ3 it is unironically over
>>11327 >we're now living in a world where these two debuffed themselves so hard that DUBAIS are actually a thread fucking christ
>>11329 Nothing changes as long as Biboo and FWMC are still in, for me at least.
>>11315 any chance she appears in holotalk?
>>11329 EN5 most likely will have worst numbers than justice if the potential en5 members leaks are somewhat true (milky, coyote, etc..) Not to mention that their debut month is overlapped by gura's redebut month if EN5 is really coming in May
>>11331 I think that anon is worried because they gradually shifting to jp time
Thanks Todd
>>11334 >move to japan >nothing will change
>>11329 So what box will EN5 leeched off to? Justice got good talents but they didn't really helped the box grow. I mean do people really think Chumbuds/Hoomans will suddenly switch oshi with whatever EN5 brings? I feel this new gen trap is like what NijIEN fell into before their demise.
>>11333 personally I think milky and coyote are boring unless they somehow spice it up if they end up in EN5
>>11334 You dont watch them, they are not.
>>11332 100% Kiara is one of the few people left that she's comfortable enough to collab with 1 on 1.
Biboo hasn't streamer in her actual timeslot in weeks
>>11338 Hoomans are paltry in number, Mumei literally only got numbers due to karaoke. Chumbuds werent watching anyone else already and GG/CC are getting their own numbers.
>>11329 Sure, whatever makes you happy
>>11336 >>11340 today's hotpot
>>11342 I am not sure if she is comfortable with the question's she usually asks for holotalk
>>11346 You know what's hot? Nerissa
>>11310 Holo jettisoned all their most popular members minus Bijou. Indies are now king
>114008 (1) esl retard
>>11329 If Milky actually gets in, that's all I need to know about the quality of EN5.
>>11329 call me a doomer but i have 0 hope for EN5, im only here for my oshi, when she's done im bailing with her
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>>11349 Ex holo are king*
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It's Nimi + the shittiest shitters you'll ever see, the Indie scene is pathetic
>>11344 You didn't answer my question which box will they leech? I already said EN4 got good talents but like what I said the box still the same like 40k on good days and 50k max and that's with bots if we being honest here.
>>11342 the only question im interested right now is what color are her panties
Shiori raided the Spic homo?
>>11356 What box did Advent leech off in order to have their numbers? Liggers think the Holobox is a one way street, that people leave but cannot join. New people come and watch Hololive day after day, that's why some days (yesterday) have multiple 5views
>>11356 Wait for the new debuts, I dunno? Like personally, I dont watch GG but clearly shes the winner out of Justice in terms of bringing in her own audience. EN5 can also potentially have someone like that.
Nerissa raids Shiori every chance she gets but Shiori chooses to raid a homo on the very rare occasion she can return the favor. What a cunt.
>>11338 >>11356 >leech err... why ligger are like that?
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Nimi is so powerful, this is Gura tier
>>11353 Why'd they nerf Kronii so hard?
>>11358 Apparently
>>11364 Saudi sponsor
>>11365 GRIM times ahead
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>>11358 Of course she fucking did.
>>11362 Fauna leeched off Gura and even her more popular genmates. SNOT was literally made by her to improve her numbers even though she was boring and no one gave a single shit about her
>>11365 And they go to ERB stream who will raid them to the Spic homo again
>>11349 Ex corpo indies are in a completely different category
>>11365 what a weird turn she had, does she and management think that will save the homos?
uh oh sea woke up
>Fauna out of nowhere >(1) Filtered
>>11363 the perms autism is really bs in hindsight
>>11371 Mint and Dokie are complete shitters, its literally only ex-holo.
Nerissa has 3 projects releasing next month. Get hyped. Or doompost, whichever one strikes your fancy
>>11346 I forgot to ask but she's eating pork rind?
>>11363 new model buff + new game buff >>11375 its really a handicap since you cant just throw up new games when they release
>>11375 Doesn't matter Biboo will get 30k when she plays Oblivion
>>11377 Unless one of those is a full album, I don't see the justification for her inactivity.
The evidence is inconclusive, but it does not seem like Nerissa is a soulslike player
>>11359 liggers what? Advent box still the same in their debut til now we saw Kronii/Mumei/Ina etc recline during that time. Sure FWMC probably introduce to some new fans so overall they did great. But we talking about new gen here not Advent. >>11360 Again we already saw what Justice brings and the box still remains the same some justice inclines while other EN girls recline because of that. >>11362 Newfags really can't handle a conversation
>>11365 shioraven really is over
>>11383 >Some Justice inclines while other EN girls recline because of that Factually wrong statement, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>11385 The takamori of 2023
>>11383 Who reclined? Only shiori due to homo collabs. Unironically Nerissa inclined by most likely absorbing some of her fans.
>>11378 it's thinly sliced shabu shabu pork meat, not the skin
The Western audience is mad.
>>11371 It's actually funny. >the only way to be a successful indie is to be a former Holo/Niji, pander to coomers or /pol/ fags.
>>11391 Oh I forgot raids are only real numbers when it's IRyS getting them
>>11391 How do you not reach 10K with a karaoke
>>11394 eu hours
clumsy tapir
>>11381 She's part of the world tour.
>>11391 Raids are bad again? Mint is and Doki are getting them now from Nimi, maybe switch your tune a bit.
>>11394 >Piss poor timeslot >No announcement (in fact, she hasn't released a schedule for two weeks) >Cratered account >30 mins ERB has the same thing that Nimi does where she puts up a frame like 20 mins before stream but the difference is that Nimi has an audience, she can allow herself to have some debuffs here and there, ERB needs to lock the fuck in to have some good numbers
Nerissa just called me a balding oldtroon Could not post that to tower kek looks like they blocked troon
>>11400 I uploaded anime episodes on YouTube back in the day...
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>>11391 Yeah really mad
>>11399 Woops sorry, she hasn't released a schedule in a MONTH, not two weeks, a MONTH I remember that on /baubau/'s last days there was a discussion about schedules and how they're needed or not but in the case of ERB a schedule would be very much needed BECAUSE SHE NEEDS TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT SHE IS A FUCKING STREAMER, Jesus!
>>11392 kek, is the Sam bankman-fried argument of vtubers >oh, you want to be a succesful indie? easy! just get in Hololive as a talent, spent 4-6 years of your life grinding and making connections with big holos, say on your graduation announcment that you had disagreements with managment and leave, is that easy!
>Look at you~ What a man 🍄💦
>>11404 Don't forget you also need to have the physical and mental capacity to stream otherwise you'll just end up like Dooby and Sakuna
>>11403 Was she a streamer? I thought she just made videos or some shit, I doubt whatever actual fans she has care.
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>blonde >yellow
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>>11409 🌙 -> ☀️
>>11410 What's her connection to Chloe?
>>11411 so she will graduate on april 26 and redebut the next day? >>11412 just speculations, it was really weird that she graduated without seemingly any reason
Nimi's ticked twice this stream
motion sickness.....
>>11411 So she was not 'sick' in reality?
>>11409 >>11411 Pretty sure I've seen mention of an irl indie firend of Chloe's that also graduated, that is likely the other girl
>>11386 >>11389 Kiara almost became a 3k runt that she needs bots to save her. Also the sex outfit really help her incline. Ina also got visible recline we just blame it on Pikmin but she reclined though she is getting back to her usual numbers. Mumei reclined she was only saved by not streaming much and only did some karaoke streams. Mori also reclined we just seeing good numbers now mainly because of grad buffs etc and her being the face of EN now but there was a time where her numbers are lower than Kiara that we think she got shadowbanned because of how low her numbers are. I can still name a few that recline but people are blinded with Hololive box events/grad buff and FOTM arcs are their usual numbers not to mention raids. Look at the overall box size specially for events EN didn't really grew that much they mostly stay the same as before.
>>11398 >Nimi's organic indie raids vs >incestuous corpobox raids circulating stagnant numbers inside a closed environment
>>11419 >white >babaaa a fucking sheep
>>11419 Those organic raids bleed like a motherfucker back to the holo girls btw.
Elden Ring chads reign supreme over Oblivion
>>11413 I mean it's a duo unit. You have to be actual IRL friends with that person for it to work. At the very least it's not Hiyori Lara.
>>11421 That's nice, I'm sure that Gura and Mumei aren't redebuting instantly free from Cover and holoEN isn't in a recline too.
>>11424 >babaaa
doki is live make sure to jump out
Nimi ending. To watch the collab.
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Biboo passed Reine
>>11418 Only tourists make shit like this because sentences like >She reclined Mean nothing without context, from when Mori has reclined? Mythmania? 2021? 2022?
>>11427 Uh oh /uuu/ is gonna freak
>>11424 I dont care if they do or dont? I never watched them, just stating observable facts. Maybe those those indie shitters should do something that makes them not bleed ex-holo raids.
>>11424 >Moving goalpost >(niji)babaaa kek
>>11418 >t-they're not inclining ! ! ! everyone just reclined, only Nimi is inclining! >the box numbers are the same as before even tho said Box lost 4 fucking members what is ligtard end game?
>>11429 As a matter of fact the idea of new gens cannibalizing older ones is pretty new and wrong. Fauna numbers when she was a Holo told us the opposite, same with Biboo.
>>11427 cute... and sad
>>11432 >(niji)babaaa My fucking sides
what was that graph that shows audience similarity between channels
>>11432 >(niji)babaaa lmao
ID get
Nimi-tan didn't raid?
>>11434 GG post ENreco is a perfect example already that these girls can in fact incline with the right oportunity, just like Fauna during the grim era. We saw that shit happening in real time, how GG went from Shiori lvl runt to the best seller in her fucking gen
>>11431 Kind of rude of you not to seethe after the effort anon put into posting
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Ligger champion losing to a fucking hot pot
>>11418 >talking about how everyone reclined >admits mori and kiara inclined are you retarded? you dont even agree with your own point
>>11445 >Ligger champion losing to a fucking hot pot Nimi got like 3 times Nerissa's numbers though?
>>11446 Xe says "IT'S BOTTED/COOMBAIT/FOTM" as a way to fight with xis own cognitive dissonance.
>>11447 SHE WAS A REAL GEM!
>>11443 I was talking about the fact new gens usually put more eyes on the box as a whole. Fauna became a consistent 5 view right after Justice for a reason, the grim era helped her but her incline really never stopped and both advent and justice propelled that. I would say the same happened to Biboo but I know some anons would sperg.
>>11429 What Context do you need we talking about Justice/Advent debuts. >>11433 As usual newfags blame invisible enemies same shit as the homofags. >Only Fauna/Ame left and we literally on grad tour buff. >>11446 Are you retarded to think this are their usual numbers and not being buff by graduations? I gave you examples when there is no buffs.
>>11442 thanks
>>11447 Yeah ex-holo are strong but she's not ligger champion
>Bae lowest >Kronii slightly louder >IRyS at full volume Rrats?
>>11454 Audio balancing due to different output levels from the other talents.
>>11454 Bae is loud Kronii is a little quite IRyS is shy
>>11454 bae is loud
>>11451 Give me a time frame. Mori has reclined from Mythmania like everyone, but if the time frame is 2023-2025 I feel like she inclined or at the very least kept the same numbers.
>>11451 put down the phone already seanig you lost
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>>11453 Ligger Champion still doing better than hotpot
>>11451 >They're reclined >No they're not >N-new fag it's graduation buff Gosh ligger are so retarded
>>11450 What happened with Biboo, she inclined after Justice debut?
>>11460 >Twitch magic numbers Divide by 5
nimi... doki.... her raid...... where did it go.....
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>>11463 You mean Youtube Magic Numbers
>only 8K even with twitch magic numbers GRIM, twitch is really dying.
>>11465 Considering how Twitch counts viewers this could be a Twitch graph.
>single POV full Promise graduation tour collab losing to Nimi solo gaming I don't think HoloEN will ever recover honestly
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>>11465 Yeah King and Vedal are botted
>>11468 It's going to get raided if it doesn't pass it by itself, it's already getting to 20k. Shut the fuck up.
>>11329 the main advantage of holo has always been the group, but EN has so much problems doing group stuff. I hope that the JP livings girls can take advantage of living close and have new units or more offcolabs
>>11466 >twitch is really dying It unironically is. I used to watch some LoL streamers that would be consistent high 5view and they are right now some as low as 3view. Either the bots got turned off or the game is on its last strand. Although it can only be that the bots got turned off, because the game has been dead for years now.
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>ERB raid >Instant bleed Wasn't she supposed to help them?
>>11473 (me) *consistent high 4view The point still stands either way.
Rissa got into the Yagoo tea time
Nerissa went to tea time with Yagoo. It was interesting, because Yagoo's English is very good. So it was nice that Nerissa could talk in English.
>>11477 hopefully she makes him understand the ways of the white woman, we need white woman in EN5
Tea time was fun, but also serious business. Nerissa asked very complicated questions. She did not drink any tea. She liked that she was able to tell the big boss the things she was thinking.
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When she started in 2020, she had a 100 ccv average. After announcing her graduation, it spiked up to 200. After joining Niji it jumped up to 1500. Through the course of her Niji career she slowly inclined up to 2k-3k level. She graduated at exactly the right time, and now is a 4k-5k average. She increased her audience 50x overall. And yet, despite all the work she's put in for the past 5 years, she will never reach the heights of Nimi's 20k+ audience.
Nerissa thinks that in terms of how things work, there's a lot of things that could always be better with anything, even if things are already good. It's nice to be able to cut out the middle man and go to the big boss and say help me out. I think she said something about without having to justify herself to the middle men first.
>graduation tour collab time-limited by a fucking meeting (probably for world tour if I had to guess) Grim. Meetings like this should be rescheduled, or just send an email
>no dorya You guys fell off
>>11482 AIIIEEEEEEEEE QUICK TWEET SOME HOMOS TO BURY THIS TWEET
LMAO Nerissa literally told Yagoo to not hire anymore homos.
>>11473 Nah, the problem with twitch is that you must be a neet watching 24/7 streams because of how that platform works, forcing streamers to 'work' for endless hours. Perfect for covid, bad for post covid. In that platform, if you get a life, you stop watching twitch.
FWMC have gone to pretty much all of the tea times, and Nerissa has availed herself to their translation services on her more complicated thoughts. >Did it feel productive? A lot of the things she asked weren't a "flip of the button" type things. She didn't make demands like "you need to change this!" but things that need to be worked towards. Like more cute girls in the company for her harem [jokingly]. Nerissa's mane-chan always hears her out and does everything in her power to make Nerissa happy. She really can't complain.
>>11477 The tea times are probably the most interesting part of Hololive at the moment and I would like for the girls to share details about it. The "well made" girls use it to intervene for the weaker girls, others use it as a sales pitch, others just chat about their current schedules. It's a look on corporate life but through the lense of autistic women.
>>11480 Don't see your point.
Nerissa likes to treat staff-sans to meals when they're out and about so they know she appreciates them.
>>11484 This collab needs EN gold first
Nerissa spilled hot tea all over the floor but some actually got on her mane-chan's legs. Mane-chan was smiling the entire time and didn't tell her until afterwards that she was suffering third degree burns
>>11487 Im just going by some of the streamers I watched that stream daily and still do, went from 4-5k to them being live right now with 400 viewers. Thats not an actual audience tuning out, but bots being turned off. The chats of those still with 4-5k are dead af to.
>>11489 It's a bit tragic the tea times are only happened now, but I'm optimistic things will be better going forward even if results don't materialize right away. It's good that upper management realizes there needs to be a direct path from the talents to them. It doesn't need to be used all the time, but it's necessary in their type of business.
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>>11482 >May 2 Funny.
>>11493 Girl failure is not a meme
Nerissa is smol. Please save her
>>11487 A few months ago Dan Clancy, the CEO of Twitch, gave a damning stat that 60% of the daily Twitch audience show up at least 14 days a month and watch 70 hours of content.
>>11496 what is shiori even doing for her birthday?
>>11494 Just checked Shroud playing the alpha of a new game so a lot of people checking him out with 20k viewers, and while the chat isn't slow, it isn't anywhere near the speed Nimi was getting today.
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It's interesting to see more people talk about Nerissa than the Promise collab.
>>11503 It's literally one guy spamming.
>>11500 Something that her "new" audience will not watch but that will make her old audience very angry.
>>11503 I'm having a blast.
>>11501 Shroud I could see as someone who has a genuine audience, e-sports players that made a name for themselves and stayed consistent is still a thing.
>>11495 Probably one of the reasons it is thing is the cases of certain staff/managers not conveying issues/requests of the talents properly or at all. It's cool that this direct path exists now, but I hope that Yagoo and other higher-ups take note whenever one the girls brings something like that up, because that's the entire point they have management stuff. The perfect tea time is the one none of the talents show up to.
>>11495 I'm pissed they are doing it right now after several girls left. They could have done it better before instead of reaching an 'oh fuck' moment. I have a feeling that what they did in the grim era v0.1 only alleviated temporarily some issues, but the main sources of incompetence and malicious practices against the girls were still there. It seems they NOW realize that mid management were a bunch of lying lazy faggots, I also hope they start kicking out useless worms that usually are in a corpo doing nothing.
>>11503 Big collabs are generally too noisy for me, I typically only watch if my oshi is there. I'd rather listen to Nerissa yap (whine, really) Though she's ending now, so there goes that
>>11508 >>11509 I feel like some things like having A MEETING IN THE LAST GEN COLLAB should've been one of the first things to be taken care of. Whoever the fuck is responsible for this shit is abhorrent because I think the same thing happened for Faunas as well.
Not even botted Nimi could stop hologold
>>11500 Between nothing and almost nothing. iirc: >She had some plans to do one of her 3d things but had no progress on it and I think it's scrapped >Already told people not to expect much out of it >Had some plans for a karaoke but knowing her is completely unrelated Regarless some filler 2h stream that will get between 4K and 6K depending on raids and timeslot.
>>11511 What management did with FWMC's Crescent Moon cover was criminal and I hope someone got fired for it Delayed FOUR TIMES, and I bet it would have been downright cancelled if FWMC hadn't fought tooth and nail to get it released. Those are the things that degrade morale on Hololive
>>11512 Based. Nimi is a boring botted whore and she can't ever beat Hololive.
>>11505 >>11513 Called it
Baby IRyS 💢💢
>>11512 huh she only got 24k? would've expected more with the new game buff and coming right off the new model reveal
>>11511 True. Or having someone in charge of the twitter account who constantly prioritizes the homos, doesn't even pin huge events for the girls and makes sure to immediately retweet homo shit no one cares about over the retweets for their projects.
>IRyS went from baby to adult in less than a second Damn, she really hit the wall fast.
>>11503 There's been a few very dedicated Jailbirds in this thread for sometime now. I respect it
Why is Raora playing a game that was FOTM in 2022?
>>11244 >there's like a week and a half left for her Actually just a week, as she's graduating at the end of the month
>>11509 >I'm pissed they are doing it right now after several girls left Too many people are making too much of a big deal over these tea parties. None of the girls that have been going to Yagoo's shit even have the faintest desire to graduate at this moment. At worst the only things they're expressing to him are annoyances, and then they come out of it feeling nice and fuzzy because they got to talk to the CEO. Talking wouldn't have stopped the graduations. Action would. But there would never have been action because things like perms autism is just a thing Cover will always do and that will never ever change even if you tell Yagoo about it to his face and some talents will never be compatible with that.
>>11511 I'm just tired of how incompetent they are regarded with the girls, despite them being the main reason of the existence of hololive. Those management faggots really think they are hololive and are the reason why cover is big now. They are even trying to insert their own failed vision/direction (device) just to be saved constantly by holos.
>>11244 dang she's actually going to graduate without ever having a single 1-on-1 conversation with a member of advent
Do you think any of the girls that have left have poached the personal managers they enjoyed working with? Some of the more successful girls can probably promise more pay than Cover while still keeping a bigger cut themselves.
>>11527 >The personal managers they enjoyed working with >The girls that have left all had fucking atrocious managers during their tenure Safe to say, no, dude, not at all.
>>11244 one myth collab will be her only collab before graduation she's already done one with kronii so there's really no one else left. unless she's in shion's graduation live.
>>11527 You are not factoring in benefit packages that managers have with Cover. Often the cost of an employee can be double what you think when benefits are accounted for.
>>11410 Hiyori Lara is already Mihoshi Yume of Stella Lab https://www.youtube.com/@MihoshiYume In the end she just wanted to be a Holosimp instead of a Holomem (might have been rejejcted?) Appare Hinata (yellow) maybe Shofuku Nyako but that's a rrat
>>11529 She's probably going to do Holotalk, for Kiara's sake. Everyone else though, who knows.
>>11528 also all the managers live in japan which if you're an indie that has the choice to pick their own manager you probably don't want one that lives on the other side of the world
>>11527 I don't know why manager specific, but everyone gets to work with whoever they enjoy working with after the fact. Even Miguel got her holo model artist.
>>11491 We'll see how long her Cover bootlicking lasts. Sooner or later she'll clash with management's incompetent retardation over one thing or another because management will always put themselves on a higher tier than the talents despite contributing fuck all to hololive's success.
25K DORYAAAAAAA
>>11527 the only one worth poaching is jenma and she's no longer managing anyone
>>11535 >I like my group of work and I like having small details for them >Cover bootlicking Fuck off ligger
>>11525 That has also become my biggest criticism over the years. That rather than put most of their resources into the girls and their promotion, they use the popularity of the girls to make up for their other lackluster projects. There is so much cool stuff they could do with the girls and their characters, especially when you look at the obvious Japanese media landscape, but they just don't. At best we get snippets of what could be in form of the rare Hololive Alternative trailer, etc., while most of the content in that regard comes from the girls themselves.
>>11538 Tell management and their zillion failed projects to fuck off first.
>>11246 She's gonna stream for like a month or so, either get bored or say something that will get her some backlash and then disappear for weeks/months at a time while occasionally uploading shitpost vids.
>>11527 Doubt it, most of them usually go into another job in the same landscape, or probably do work with both.
>>11531 >Hiyori Lara is already Mihoshi Yume of Stella Lab Wasn't Hiyori Lara bigger then that? Strange
>>11524 >Too many people are making too much of a big deal over these tea parties. Well, I don't think it is. When you reach a point where you need reunions directly proposed by the CEO with only the head branch manager and the lead managers, you know it is some shit must be fix as quickly as possible without the interference of the useless bulk in the middle. I know some girls don't want to sound as serious as it is, and pretty sure they avoid to talk about the serious and shitty stuff to the audience because that's not a good idea to permeate a feeling of negativity. They even tried to name them 'tea parties', but those are emergency reunions to try to fix the root of the issues that have been happening for years.
>>11532 >Everyone else though, who knows. I still don't get why she did those random collabs with cc and raora
>>11509 From how it was described by multiple girls, it sounds like Yagoo was absolutely clueless about what was going on until the graduation wave already solidified. He didn't even realize until Kanata attended the meetings that there was a big middle management roadblock that the girls were experiencing. I forgot who but one of the other girls also mentioned that there were other senior/executive management during one of the meetings.
>>11546 Middle management being useless is a standard feature of Jap corpos
Podium sweep DORYAAAAAAAA
That ERB bitch only streamed to raid a Homo LMAO
>>11539 >That rather than put most of their resources into the girls and their promotion, they use the popularity of the girls to make up for their other lackluster projects. I appreciate the ambition at least, even if they miss the mark a fair bit. But I agree it does feel like they lost sight of the simple fact that the girls are the backbone of everything they do. Thus should be the number 1 priority. They are generally very good at what they do and should be listened to more. I want to say that I think it will get better with recent developments, but I feel like it's just going to be a constant back and forth cycle
>>11544 There is nothing immediate that the girls can tell Yagoo that he doesn't already know that needs fixing. For example, the studio still not being up to demand. Otherwise: >you know it is some shit must be fix as quickly as possible Like what? What do you think are some of these problems?
>>11539 I think a lot of Japanese companies struggle with the concept of "you only reinforce success".
>>11549 sasuga
>>11546 I feel like something as large as a graduation should trigger some sort of investigation or negotiations on Yagoos part. As much as I'd like to think he was clueless it doesn't make sense for things to progress that with him in the dark.
>>11545 Probably taking the opportunity while she still can, or maybe they asked her and Gura was ok with it. >>11244 I assume they are going to do stuff over the weekend with Myth, and maybe like one stream before and a graduation stream
>>11549 shiori also raided hakka at the beginning of his stream both homowhores fulfilled their mission today
>>11545 >with cc This one I'm guessing because CC left a good impression on her from enreco and CC straight up asking her.
>>11539 >>11550 It's kinda the good and bad things of an elevenese corpo all at once. Your success helps the company, but the company also tries to have all its departments shine, which means sharing the success. It works if everyone pulls their punches, and sadly for Cover this isn't the case.
>>11535 Ok niji babaaa
>promise mentioned a big important meeting tonight >mori mentioned a big important meeting tonight EN5 is being introduced today
>>11554 He might be vaguely aware of it but he might've fallen for the "no news is good news" mentality. By the time the girls were submitting graduation notices and management was trying to convince them to stay, it was already too late.
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>>11546 >I forgot who but one of the other girls also mentioned that there were other senior/executive management during one of the meetings. did you mean this moona tea time thing posted yesterday >>102802
>>11551 Manager rotation. That's the one of the problems that only started to happen recently but that it can affect the wellbeing of the streamers, and that higher ups at Cover might not know that it is a problem. Good manager-talent groups shouldn't be rotated, that is obvious, and bad manager-talent groups shouldn't be rotated, the manager should be fucking fired.
Do you think Gura is one of the new invaders?
>c44642 (1) Totally, the panko collab is her first re-debut stream.
>>11543 Yeah her channel had over 50K and had a 8K karaoke stream after Aqua's graduation. Corpo might be too small for people to find her.
>116258 No V-Tuber with an ounce of dignity would ever join Phase.
Cover announce a couple of update and projects. Cover stocks down today even though Nikkei is up.
>>11564 She'd do just as well on her own, her joining Phase would just be another middle finger to Cover after Ash Again.
>>11569 skippa skippa
>>11568 Why would cover change direction?
>>11569 Shiori's entire melty has made me look at ERB in a more "positive" light, she is not a shameless as that other fucking muppet, still, she has been a disaster through and through. What could she do for her birthday? More more more karaoke? Maybe she'll do something Hololive-like for once
>>11563 Any company is going to run into managers coming and going. The real problem is process and documentation related. Good managers aren't sharing their tribal knowledge with newer managers. There are likely don't have a shared knowledgebase to create processes for every new issue they encounter.
>>11573 Nope mixed call ins
>>11566 Yeah makes sense. Just seems strange to join such a small corpo when you were finding success as an indie
>>11573 >Maybe she'll do something Hololive-like for once https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
>>11560 The June predictions were right about Justice, so might as well double down on the May EN5 predictions. May could end up being a crazy month
>>11551 As I said, the patches they did in the grim era v0.1 were probably a slap in the wrist for those people for messing with the girls. Nothing to worry about if they keep it low and try to block communication from the girls to the HQ or high management directly, as this anon said >>11546 And obviously if something as this wave of graduations happens and your supposed fixes didn't work or even you don't know shit what is happening, well, you really need personally (the CEO) to check the problem yourself to fix the shit in the bottom because you can't trust anymore the people you think you/your employee appointed to take care of the main reason your company exist. It's not only the 'studio time', it's what the management is really doing that is not doing their work of managing and helping the girls.
>>11560 No new gen is worth them cutting short a graduation collab when they'll just turn out to be a bunch of homocollabing low 4-views
Why is nijibabaaa trying so hard?
>>11560 They can have all fancy meeting No SNO no numbers
>>11582 >No SNO Yeah, that's what has been happening for 3 years by now.
>>11556 how many birthday streams has this dude had feels like every one I've seen lately is birthday related kek
>>11583 Why does Fauna keep catching strays when she was consistently streaming
mori keeps on mentioning lemurs the past few streams so expect one of EN5 to be a lemur girl
>>11582 I dont think Justice fans have a clue of what SNO even is, I barely do as an Adventfag. Stream's nigga, have you heard of them?
>>11587 We know. And the bulk of the original HoloEN fans have or are moving on.
how will en5 debut month fare against not gura redebut month?
>>11588 Moving on from what? All the numbers are still with holo and ex-holo.
>>11590 >trying to claim Nimi's numbers as your own Have some shame.
>>11588 Promisefags are incredibly expendable, lmao Mythboomers ain't going anywhere while Kiara and Mori are still around and the Adventjustice babies are all in. What do you Grim era niggas have to offer? Support for Tempiss?
>>11591 They migrate back to holo or nowhere when she ends, not to indies.
>>11593 >Mythboomers ain't going anywhere >he says when neither Kiara, Mori or Ina are 5views
>>11595 Yeah, thats what they care about. Not enjoying their idol careers and the girls they have around them. How brown are you?
>>11592 Kek holoplus is dead alongside global expansion.
>>11594 I assume you have a real-time database of all existing indies at hand to confirm that? Indies weren't even on the radar three years ago. Now more and more are becoming 4views. HoloEN's ceiling is undoubtedly getting lower, and the full effect of these graduations hasn't been realized yet.
>>11594 Doki got a bigger funnel from Nimi ending than Nerissa did.
>>11597 >arguing audience numbers >an anon mentions Mythboomers will never leave and just follow Mori and Kiara instead >they clearly have left in droves >uh uh uh but they like idol things something something
>Now more and more are becoming 4views Who nigga? there are literally two and one is sucking off the holo girls as hard as she can while also receiving kiara collabs. You retards never cease to type the most idiotic shit.
>>11600 Any proof of that?
>>11601 All the three you named are rich af and love being in holo, ccv literally only matters to this thread.
>>11599 >Now more and more are becoming 4views Oh wooow. Daily reminder only HoloEN since last year had the requisite of having a 5 view stream per day, that was not normal the years post mythmania, but now it's the norm.
>>11605 Let's compare it to twitch. Lig tracks their numbers and it's pretty common to see most of the ranking being 1/2k that's below Holo runts for comparison. And those are the actual big indies 🤣
>>10937 Hikikomari Kyuuketsuki / Vexations of a Shut-In Vampire Princess
guys, I think the robot is broken
>>11603 Sure. Nimi's stream ended at 9:57 JST https://www.vstats.jp/video/9xofvDauu3Q At 9:57 JST, Doki had 5588 ccv. Looking at the graph, you can see that shortly after Nimi's stream ended, she peaked at 6466, which is +878 ccv. https://www.vstats.jp/video/RoMM5L7CJAc At 9:57 JST, Nerissa had 7033 ccv. Looking at the graph, you can see that shortly after Nimi's stream ended, she peaked at 7665, which is +632 ccv. https://www.vstats.jp/video/Eqcs_4AR2So
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>>11599 Here you go, they still fucking suck, as always There is a total of ONE indie streamer that isn't a total failure, Nimi, ONE, UNO, UN, ICHI
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>>11606 Twitch's heyday was the Ironmouse/Nyanners/Veibae era when all 3 could hit 10k+ without raids. Not, aside from the chatbot, they're all 7k at best or lower. It's not really that less people are watching Twitch vtubers, more are, but it's much more widely spread out. There's an enormous amount of 1k vtubers, a lot of whom could be listed here and no one would even recognize.
Remember when people said Promise had the best chemistry in HoloEN?
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>>11611 Considering twitch counts your view even if you're multitabbing, that's not as good a thing as you make it sound.
>>11609 Because Mint was in the collab more than likely. Nimi and Mint have a decent crossover, a lot more than Doki and Nimi.
>>11614 Maybe, but still a case of a larger funnel going to other indies than to a Holo.
>>11612 As an entire group? Yeah it's not even close. Every other gen has at least one person that is completely awkward with the others or doesn't fit at all.
>>11609 So roughly 200 more viewers. Pretty irrelevant when you consider the vast majority migrated to the promise collab anyways
>>11605 From which month last year? The graduations only started nine months ago. You could even say everything was totally fine and great as soon as September of last year and it was definitely true, until Ame made her announcement. Regardless I don't know what's your point. My point is indies are growing. Will they plateau on the lower end of 4view or grow into the 7k to 8k range, effectively contesting HoloEN at that point? Who knows.
>>11611 >Twitch's heyday was the Ironmouse/Nyanners/Veibae era when all 3 could hit 10k+ without raids Yup, that was what I wanted to say next. Though I don't agree on the fact more people are watching. 2020 was a bubble and the fact numbers are more spread make it seems like indie are inclining when it's just a portion of that huge 2020 cake getting passed around.
>>11610 I know there isn't an indie JP scene in vtubing.
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Phasebrowns and DokiMint browns are getting uppity again
>>11618 See >>11619 And since the start of last year till' today, 5 views streams are more common than ever, on Twitch that's not a thing. On the contrary your pic has the big twitch indies and they are all below Holo runts.
>>11622 Shit take. Who is Sinder, Olivia, and Lime taking from?
>>11611 >It's not really that less people are watching Twitch vtubers, more are, but it's much more widely spread out. Is that true? It's seemed like the general twitch tuber viewer base has been shrinking. Big event ceilings seemed to be getting lower each year. But it would make sense if they were just getting more spread out and more isolated
>>11620 The "indie scene" in EN sucks so fucking bad that most of them aren't even registered on VStats nor Vrabi, and they register anyone. The "indie scene" is in fact so poor that a 2view V-Tuber can, from night to day, become a top lig just because her younger sister works at Hololive and threw her a shout out from her RM. Your argument depends on exactly ONE person.
>Lil bro en is dead PLEASE PLEASE WATCH MY TWITCH WHORES nyo
>>11625 Are you a child?
>>11620 UI alone has more value than all the twitch scene, objectively speaking her brand image alone has more mindshare than all of them. You live in a bubble.
>>11628 It's kinda funny how Ui could be a good argument in pro of indie V-Tubing but no one brings her up because she is a Holo in all but name
>>11623 2020 Twitch had a bunch of higher CCV ligs, those people are shitters now, where are their viewers? Some are gone, most of them have spread out creating more smaller and weaker communities.
>>11628 Name one other JP "indie" than Ui. Speaking of living in bubbles. And I'm not arguing against the JP side. They're doing fine. It's just that retard that brought up random JP shitters into the indie argument.
EN will be tested by Kura Collab and Axgrit. Kura sushi Collab should at least beat the Gura sushiro Collab since NA is bigger than Taiwan and Kura is the biggest in NA. Axgrit is in Japan and with FWMC JP mindshare they should do well. Gura vaultroom sold out instantly twice and Gurarium also sold out and restocked so Advent should at least get a restock on FWMC since I assume they will sell well.
>>11629 The same thing happens with Patra so I'm not surprised.
Nimi already got her checkmark back.
>>11630 >where are their viewers? They went back to watching sports, like a chunk of Myth viewers.
>>11631 Patra? Are you from this thread?
>>11636 at this point idk what this thread is anymore with all this faggots talking about random twitch whores nobody cares about
>>11636 The corpo convert that bought her IP and then only became indie and was not in fact always an indie?
>>11636 >>11637 It's mostly the kittens shitting up the place. Just filter+ and ignore them until their erp sessions start.
>>11638 So Nimi is not an indie, and this post is disingenuous? >>11591
The biggest twitch vtuber is a fucking "AI" run by a Brit
Did murica lost trade war already? I want my merch
>>11640 Show me a vtuber IP called Nimi Nightmare under Cover's portfolio. Go.
>>11639 Yeah, I think I'm done. Filtered him.
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Twitch overall numbers have been on a slow steady decline since COVID. It's hard to break out vtuber numbers to compare with the overall trend.
>>11635 >They went back to watching sports, like a chunk of Myth viewers. Can you explain the specific kind of retardation that makes you think the people who watched Myth back in the day originated from and eventually went back to watching "sports"?
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It's so random what they are doing, is it really a cloud tactic? All this digital inflation will not help their organs in the long run. I already saw sometimes they are doing the same shit with aki.
.se is back
>>11646 Are you actually stupid or you're so mad that you've become stupid? Replace the word sports for any other form of entertainment, dumb ass.
>>11645 The downward trend from 2023 forward is really concerning. Seeing a slump post-covid is normal, but it keeps going down.
>>11642 Trump is backing down.
>>11647 No one knows who it is or why they're doing it. We're just guessing because it originated with Niji.
Let me get this straight. If Gura debuted as an indie with a good number. That number isn't because she's Gura, but because of the Hololive brand?
>>11650 YouTube added just enough little things to become the preferred streaming platform for those that just want to have 1-2-3 hour streams instead of continuous endurance streams of 10-12 hours Not to mention Kai Cenat, who is so botted and roided out that he singlehandely carries the entire website
>>11645 It's currently like 90% higher than before COVID. What?
>>11608 PLAP PLAP PLAP REBOOT REBOOT REBOOT PLAP PLAP PLAP
>>11655 >Twitch overall numbers have been on a slow steady decline SINCE covid Nigga can't you fucking read
>>11653 Yes you can't be a successful indie without Hololive
>>11655 Are you unable to read a chart? The overall trend is downwards. Before COVID is over 5 years ago.
>>11615 Yeah the Promise collab didn't happened when Nimi ended
>>11592 It's over
>>11658 What did Caedral blow up from btw? I know hes botted to shit but still has some kind of sizeable audience.
>>11654 The problem with YT is that they give even less of a fuck about their streamers than Twitch. Twitch at least pretends to care, sometimes it's actually a bad thing because they are overzealous with their bans and all. But YT just leaves it all to machines, right now they have speed, which is the biggest streamer around and has achieved a bigger mindshare than the rest of twitch, and they are doing jack shit with him. Same thing with Holo, they are among their biggest streamers, but in their vtuber report, they talk about Ironmouse.
>>11660 Are you? If anything, most of that loss came from flesh streamers like Pokimane, who averaged like 30k CCV during that period. I don't know why you'd think there isn't plenty enough to go around for vtubers to grow another 1k, 2k, 3k CCV average. That's not a lot compared to the big flesh streamers.
>>11664 Streaming bandwidth is more expensive then VODs. Its also probably easier to verify VOD views versus live CCV when it comes to giving advertisers accurate numbers.
>>11663 Don't know. League I guess. He's in some pro EU team with baus now.
Twitch fags can't help themselves can they
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>>11667 WITH WHOM?!
>>11665 Post your numbers showing all the loss is focused in flesh streamers vs. vtubers. If you can't you're just making assumptions based on your personal bias. The chart is clear that Twitch is losing viewers, so there are less audience to go around in the overall streaming sphere on Twitch.
>>11667 I know hes an owner/manager? Of some EU team now, wtf is baus?
>>11546 Since nobody here's saying anything, I'll give a last otsu-promise to my favorite gen. Things really were on cloud 9 when things finally settled in after such a rocky start with Omega and Project Hope but it couldn't last. I really regret not buying more of the gen stuff back when I had the opportunity and only have my oshi's.
>>11668 I think that all the discussion about Twitch (and by extension V-Shojo and Phase) ends up being that meme of potentialman. Theoretically they COULD and WILL have high CCVs, theoretically they COULD and WILL have good models and rigging, theoretically hypothetically in the near future if Hololive goes under, yadda yadda yadda
>>11673 I have a lot of gen merch and now it makes me more sad than anything. It's like having merch of a band when they were at their peak but they eventually split and now you're just reminded that they're never getting back together.
>>11473 oh hey i have the same experience but with apex streamer, he would have 15k to 8k lowest but now he is 2k to 1k and he streams almost everyday
>>11670 A single big flesh streamer is bigger than all vtubers on Twitch combined. A single big flesh streamer is bigger than HoloEN combined. I don't know why you're blaming the peasants for the state of the Twitch viewership economy. As an example, between Veibae and Nyanners, they maybe lost 15k CCV combined. The popular fleshies at the time lost a collective like 200k CCV.
>>11675 Maybe but at the same time it's nice to have something to remember things that genuinely meant a lot to you for a period in your life. I only have my oshi's stuff and seeing it on the shelf just feels eternally lonely without those that made the same journey with her.
>bringing up Twitch recline when Youtube indies are the ones thriving. That's just deflection. The reality is Hololive is experiencing a fan exodus alongside the graduation rush. The fans are already disappointed. This is the double-edged sword of box pushing—whenever something happens to a Holo, whether it’s good or bad, it causes a chain reaction. In the past, many relied on the supportive atmosphere that box pushing created, but now, that same environment can bring unexpected consequences. When one Holo falls, the others are affected too. Some viewers come specifically for the chemistry between Holos, drawn by that special mood and interaction. But if those core elements are missing, the content starts to lose its charm. Hololive’s reputation has taken a hit, and this is closely tied to commercial interests. Since the start of Cover, creators, peripheral stakeholders, and the business world have become more entangled. Recently, this has become even more noticeable as local scenes, like the Taiwanese Vtuber field, have started forming their own unique identities. Whenever a Holo announces graduation, the market responds—merchandise sales spike as fans rush to buy, but once the graduation ends, the value drops fast. This affects how both businesses and fans perceive long-term worth. Editors who help run channels still try to maintain activity with clips and archive uploads to keep leftover attention. Fans are biased by nature. When their favorite Holo leaves, they often don’t stay to support the others. Views on other channels drop because those core fans also leave. This isn’t something new, but it shows how strong the emotional bond is. Many fans connect with one specific Holo—not because of the brand, but because of that person’s presence. When someone likes a post or shares content, it’s not just for the algorithm. It’s silent support. The people who used to comment or chat weren’t just random—they were drawn to your style. But emotional highs don’t last forever. That doesn’t mean they now dislike you. Maybe life just changed for them, or they lost interest in the bigger picture. You’re not their focus anymore. And once that focus breaks, loyalty fades too. Some of them might come back later—maybe in a few months—but some you may never see again. The truth is, the Vtuber world is both small and overcrowded. There are so many Vtubers now that even though the viewer base is growing, the share watching Hololive has dropped. This reflects a bigger problem. Many Hololive viewers aren’t “pure” viewers—they come with their own expectations and ideas. There are still fans who watch Vtubers with an open mind, just for enjoyment, but they’re the minority. Hololive has now entered its third wave of decline. Viewer numbers keep going down, and even the most optimistic voices are starting to admit that things aren’t what they used to be. It’s not just a matter of individual performance—it’s the whole industry changing. The departure of someone like Gura made this shift impossible to ignore. If you’ve been following the trend—early 2023, mid-2023, late 2023, and now mid-2024—it’s clear these changes are happening in cycles. The industry’s protective moat is gone. Hololive expanded too fast and didn’t stabilize or refine its structure. Now the whole industry feels like it’s reached a plateau. What’s needed isn’t more characters or more content—it’s more stability and professionalism, especially if they want to keep loyal fans. Hololive has drifted from the core Vtuber community. While the overall Vtuber audience continues to grow, especially with indie Vtubers rising in EN, fewer of those viewers are watching Hololive. Something important was lost in translation. The constant graduations of Holos are starting to raise serious concerns. Not just fans, but companies, brokers, and casual viewers are all asking questions. Cover’s management and Hololive’s future are under a microscope now. It doesn’t matter how touching the graduation script is—everyone recognizes the pattern. It’s too familiar. There’s not enough transparency. People don’t know where the fiction ends and where the real business begins, and that has built a wall between Hololive and its audience. Often it’s the talents themselves who have to clean things up, speaking vaguely in an effort to calm public opinion. No one knows if they’re employees, partners, or something else entirely. Even insiders seem unsure. Cover’s silence or cryptic wording only creates more speculation—it’s like trying to understand a Miyazaki Hidetaka game, where the lore is hidden in item descriptions and mysterious NPC dialogue. What happened? That’s fans want to know. And it deserves a real answer—an official one.
>babaaa lmao
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>chat gpt
Jesus Christ if that isn't chatgpt copy paste YOU NNED TO KILL YOURSELF
Your tag is literally baba.
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>using translation is wrong
>using chatgpt >chatgpt being factually wrong on the entire shitpost F, see me after class
Hakka inclining
>>11679 You could just watch nimi and maybe gura if she re-debuts without melting down here. I dont know why you care so much.
Twitch has bots Youtube has bots Why are we fighting?
>>11684 >chink rumao
>>11686 Shiori killed her career and the concept of Adventrix unity for this by the way
Why are Bae and IRyS like this
I wonder if corpocuck poster and matomesister are the same poster.
>no stream Bijou's washed
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I posted this on holotower.. a STAPLE ritual post on /ggg/ 4ch, gets deleted by jannies.. WTF is going on that site, its like only positive things required to say
>>11694 >a STAPLE ritual post Nobody liked that ritual.
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>>11690 She could graduate and Advent would still be real, she serves no purpose in their dynamic, and never did honestly. FWMC are the standouts, Biboo is cunny, Nerissa can sing.
ETA on 4chan?
>>11679 >Nijibabaaa Yeah NijiEN is dead
>>11694 Gloating that Gura doesn't stream isn't clever, isn't funny, and it isn't a staple. You sound like the retards who tried to push "hating kiara is board culture" on /vt/
>>11690 She did it because she couldn’t get along well with the other girls. The problem is on her.
>>11684 >its the same ligfag+vshojofag+jpcuckposter from last thread nigga been seething here everyday everyhour
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>>11690 Wasn't Shiori already the lowest-performing member in all of HoloEN? Was it really "killing her career" if she was already at the bottom?
>>11694 If you're not sucking Cover cock reddittower isn't for you.
>>11694 They tend to delete stuff if it gets reported, they don't really know the culture of each split that well
>>11696 You think highly of advent.. Biboo could graduate next month.. and nothing of value will be lost on succeeding months
You guys wanted an EN JRPG streamer right? Well here you go. This thing has 100 endings, let's see how her floor handles this
>>11694 Let's be real. It was a garbage anti ritualpost. I noticed the cuckbird is also gone from /ope/ - good riddance.
>>11706 sounds like she gonna play offstreams to me
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>>11705 >(2) I think highly of the four of them and they continue to prove me right. EN should only follow their example.
>>10898 The cabals main base will be build on holoearth today get ready corns.
>>11707 "cuckbird" poster i meant. the gym stud guy. unless those were two different people but whatever they're all gone
>>11705 Try removing bib from everything and see how grim it is.
>>11705 I think there is a reason you got kicked out of holotower that wasn't related to just ritualposts
26k more subs before Nimi passes Shiori.
>>11679 Leadership might be taking a look now but the unfortunate thing is that it might be too little too late. I'm not a Nimifag (IRyStocrat) but it reflects really poorly on Cover when you can have someone do more or less the 'exact' same thing right after graduation and thrive or even incline. Gura, Mumei and Ame could all be rationalized to some degree but losing Fauna might've just been the straw that broke the camels back on top of everything else because it came out of nowhere.
>>11714 Thats like passing an ID girl basically.
>>11702 the lows can always get lower just look at da bois
https://x.com/cover_corp/status/1915239889127563563 https://coveredge.cover-corp.com/en/list/1428 >When I was working in corporate planning at a global entertainment company, I was once told by someone from an overseas subsidiary that “it isn’t easy for things that are popular in Japan to become popular overseas, and there’s no way that they can succeed in the US market,” which made me realize the difficulty of global expansion. I do feel that there are clear differences between Japanese and overseas companies in terms of negotiating skills and stances that are taken, so I was already keenly aware of the challenges of doing business overseas. >In recent years, the global anime market has grown, and I feel that we are finally able to take on the challenge of developing our Japanese VTuber business into a global one. >That said, I think the next few years will be crucial in determining whether COVER can create a culture that will be loved around the world. The Platform Division’s role is to promote and support the utilization of data to address current areas where there is room for improvement in terms of a data-driven approach. Demand varies by country, and spending behavior, lifestyles, and oshi fandom styles also differ greatly, so it would be ideal to be able to understand data from each country and devise measures and functions tailored to user groups.
Are phasefags getting new shitters they won't watch?
>>11712 >having this much of an ego about an annoying botted leech Pebbles are the worst fucking fanbase and it's not even close.
>>11719 I hate companies that over index into 'analytics.' They've already got the girls and a formula that works why are you trying to change shit?
>>11719 >>11721 Have a bad feeling about this
>no arguments
https://x.com/murasakishionch/status/1915269470261809222 why aren't mumei and gura getting anything special while shion gets graduation merch and a final 3D live?
>>11697 3 weeks
>>11726 Probably the same reason why Fauna did a mini 3D live but not a real one.
>>11726 They didn't ask
>>11695 Gura would have loved it
>>11275 This just popped up on my Youtube feed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8-ZrWPrj2Y
>>11726 I want to give Shion my seamen as a graduation gift…
>>11726 Cover doesn't care about Council. And to be honest, Gura's graduation feels like she's leaving on bad terms. I think management really hates her.
>>11726 Well Cover hates money so they told Gura and Mumei they couldn't sell any merch.
>>11263 & @hololive_En
>>11736 Rumao.
>>11723 >Hating analytics in the Numbers thread
>>11592 I know this girl…
>>11714 Nimi will soon become the most subbed, active, Asagi daughter again to. Ema's at 624k
is hyde a fag why did he nerf kronii so much?
>>11741 Saudis
>>11740 That's actually kinda wild to think about.
>>11731 Yeah I saw that seems pretty likely it won't be her then.
>>11743 Her other daughters are just shit.
>>11745 Don't be rude.
>>11747 >Run Haha...
>>11747 Any burger can qrd this?
>>11747 <soon <November
>>11738 I hate "Cover Analytics" where they buy into the chinese fujo hype train to get tempus 1/2 instead of supporting the actual money makers first.
just realized that gura green lit the mv for "give up" but forever left full color in limbo
https://www.torema.jp/202503orecamarketconditions/ Again this only measures the sales that go through their site. Also the pattern repeats that holoOCG breaks the top ten every set release
>>11753 That's not her project. She just provided her voice for it. And it's not an MV that needs much work. It's the typical PNG and effects slideshow. Full Color was supposed to be like Shark'd, Blue Horizon and Ash Again.
>>11754 >Cover Huh wasnt it bushiroad before?
>>11743 Ema is 6th in VSPO for subs, just the highest VSPO member is at 869k subs. Her viewership is generlly pretty good around a mid 4 view, sometimes higher. >VSPO CCV Well okay sure. Her Nijisister's, Akari, viewership isn't even that bad, she's a low 4view, still consistantly a 4 view. It's just subs in Niji are hard to come by, only at 261k >>11748 It's funny open her twitter in incognito and most of her biggest tweets are about Fauna. https://x.com/KOKUYOU_LIRA/status/1747320572265337261 Maybe she's pretty cool
guys check 4chan
>>11758 Finally.
>>11756 They did put the manufacturer as Bushi in the December list. https://www.torema.jp/202412torecamarketconditions/
>>11758 it never fails to make me smile when Oneechan still injects mascots into the pages
>>11758 will people comeback with the mods and jannies openly against hololive and /vt/ in general
>>11763 Did I miss something?
I just realized every graduating and graduated member has a card except Gura and Fauna, regardless if they took the affiliate route or graduation. I think they both are on bad terms with Hololive.
I'm curious, did anyone run the numbers on how popular 8chan is to 4chan?
>>11761 This looks sus because of the gradual incline, but the apex patterns is because she was fighting sans and that last big one is because she actually beat him.
>>11758 >two more weeks >>11757 she was also chatting in nimi's model reveal stream
>>11766 not even comparable
>>11766 At this time, the entire site is generating 48 posts per minute. That's /vt/ alone during prime time.
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>>11760 I don't have any cards but this sleeve pack i bought dosent mention Bushiroad anywhere. Maybe Cover took manufacturing under them and Bushiroad is only doing the distribution now?
>>11766 Every board minus /vt/ is going back.
>>11770 >That's /vt/ alone during prime time and /vt/ was like 1/5 of the site. So 8chan is like 1/5 the speed of 4chan? But also, one of the biggest factors is the /pol/fags all went somewhere else, probably some corner of twitter.
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>>11764 i only have this saved, there are others like jannies being troon indie male vtuber and mods being pippafag etc
>>11774 Shameless kek
>>11773 polfags have it really comfy now, the entire internet is pol now
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Reminder that Mint actually won the race to 300k
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>>11763 I mean I imagine a number of meidos and jannies are gonna quite over worry of being doxxed, depends if the moderation is better then most of #'s will come back. Its the people in tower that's less likely to go back though since they really like their hugbox and circlejerk.
>get a second debut buff >Can't even beat Mumei who's been underperforming all month Lmfao Nimi is trash
>>11778 Who cares they're both indie trash
>>11781 Because we always support the individual first.
>>11782 No, she left hololive so she doesn't deserve any support. And the other one was a nijinigger and will always be a nijinigger
>>11779 The new once will get in knowing that they are at the risk of getting doxxed. Thats going from just being unemployed to being unemployed with a risk of getting shot at. New jannies/mods will be even stupider.
>I turn off live updates >it turns itself back on again automatically
>>11774 Jesus Christ I don't think even SHORTS can pull graphs like that
>>11786 Does sister use viewfarm or just regular bot?
>>11787 Seems like the same viewfarm as others but the graph looks so much worse when you're a shitter
>>11788 Viewfarm? So it's bigger likes and VODs too? Then it's just the usual suspect.
>>11789 >likes No >Vods No. They get the vod numbers from when the viewfarm goes in, but they don't churn.
>>11789 Mhm, his last VOD had 52k, a long shot from his average 25-30k. He got "marked" by the viewfarm due to his Pokemon streamed, the one that was raided by a botted Iofi that had been raided by a botted Biboo.
>>11790 That's still bigger Vods no? Unlike regular bot that affect nothing. Even King Willy got that on his. Also pretty sure viewfarm can press like too, maybe they just didn't bother with this case
>>11792 It's "bigger" but not drastically bigger like anyone who would get the same average would.
>>11794 >5.5k and growing I swear to God if this motherfucker gets podium
NIji downgrading their birthday merch again https://x.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1783013030215004190 https://x.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1915284645668848106 Took away the metalic charm and removed the sig from the acrylic set
>>11796 Is the price still the same though or did it also get cheaper?
>>11796 This is just sad
>>11795 It usually caps out at SOME point. >>11796 Why do they keep changing this shit? People are never happy with it when they do.
Also noticed Botan finally joined HoloRust, is Towa gonna try or is she on some break again?
>>11796 This is what happens when you turn your company over to the "analysts" and "market consultants" and it's sad to see Cover plunging headlong down the same path with no hope of recovery at this point.
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>>11800 I'm surprised she joined when there's not a single male eceleb there for her to suck cock
>>11797 Old prices https://nijisanji-store.com/products/luca-kaneshiro-birthday-2025 Doesn't look like it? Full set: Same price Acrylic set: Same price Cloth poster: Set gone Foil Stamped Badge & Snapshot Card: Up 200 yen
>>11803 Well don't I feel stupid learning indonesian the last couple of days to understand the song. Time to forget everything.
>>11794 10 fucking hours stream, no likes increase. Pls anon his was obviously just some regular bot.
>>11807 US Indies Won
Huh. Nimi lost 1k. Wonder if youtube is freaking out over the burst of subs.
All holos are waiting for Switch 2 any chances Nintendo hands them out to some members? Have they done that before?
>lost several HoloEN, including one of the most famous, within 1 year >merch fucked by tariffs How are holoburgers holding up?
>>11812 The most famous. Get it right.
>>11810 and just recently biboo got plushie and ring as a merch
>>11807 Lmao, so no figurine for Burger? At least for a while.
>>11812 By watching Nimi
>>11815 So she's a fresh water dolphin now? Aren't they pink?
>>11796 I mean they oshi the company, this is just the next logical step
I'm gonna say it, sacrificing SNO to get Advent and Justice was not worth it
>>11820 it was all worth it for Biboo
>>11820 >two of them didn't stream >the other can do everything she actually cares about doing perfectly fine without hololive Not that much of a sacrifice, FWMC alone are worth it
>>11820 Fauna was a dogshit hire and never should've made it into Hololive in the first place. She was a leech through and through
>>11820 HoloEN is a sinking ship. Those that are confident will leave.
>>11820 They haven’t been streaming regularly for almost 2 years. The only great loss is Fauna because it was so sudden
>>11824 it's a bit depressing now but after EN5 it will be stronger than ever
Hololive English
>>11824 >HoloEN is a sinking ship More promotions and opportunities than ever >Confident Mumei isn't going to be a streamer anymore and Gura will come back, get overwhelmed again, then crawl into her whole and not come out. And Fauna is a lazy botted whore who didn't want to actually put in the work so she left to just stream games and do nothing else like the boring whore she is.
>>11820 nah, we got new trinity out of advent and justice
>>11828 >More promotions and opportunities than ever Hell yea that's what made me fall in love with hololive, the promotions and opportunities
>>11826 There is no wonder talent out there to make it stronger than ever. People thought FWMC was that, but they've already fallen off hard and haven't been able to recover since moving to Japan. EN5 will be an even worse stock than Justice.
>>11830 Stop being a selfish piece of shit and be happy that your oshi is succeeding. Isn't that why you're supporting her?
>>11828 >More promotions and opportunities than ever Only for JPs.
>>11832 My oshi is succeeding harder than ever, outside of hololive
>>11834 No one asked cuckling
>>11833 Stupid faggot there's been more and more US based stuff for the EN girls you lying faggot. Ahf JP don't eve
>>11836 And JP don't even have shit like enreco**
>>11836 US based stuff they have to share with the JP bitches like the Dodgers or the "world tour" and they were even forced to invite JPs to what was supposed to be an EN-only concert
>schizo vs schizo
>>11836 Those aren't even for the EN girls thoughver. Management takes the biggest cut from those ad campaigns though. Really all that's happening is management using the EN girls' IPs to make themselves richer.
>>11838 >Oh no there were JP guests! The horror! Ignore that ID we're also invited and that it's just hololive doing what it does best by having all branches mingle But you shouldn't know that because your lazy green whore was an antisocial cunt
>>11831 you don't even need anyone special people like CC and GG are pretty generic indie/small corpo chuubas and can still be successful you can fill 10 new gens with people like that
>>11840 The girls still get a cut. These opportunities open the door for even more. Retard.
>>11843 They get 5% at most though.
>>11839 The main thing I've learned from IDs here is that all the dogshit posts are done by even fewer schizos then I expected
>>11844 Hey retard do you think sponsors and stuff for lives just show up out of thin air? It doesn't matter if they only take 5%, and that's with you making baseless claims, if they get more attention on them
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It's a 1-1h30 bot?
>>11842 Then HoloEN ceases to be special, which I think they already aren't. You can't be stronger than ever when you're not special.
>>11849 HoloEN will always be special because the people who make it in aren't catty bitches and the unity between branches that transcends language barriers is something you will never see outside of holo
>>11841 >mingle Nice way to say leech, since Cover is desperate to grow overseas because Japan is a dying market.
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>>11848 Doesn't seem to be that much of a limit to it
>>11846 Weird flex when Doki gets more sponsors than she ever did under a corpo and Gura's already having sponsors lined up for her post-holo career.
>>11853 Doki is a literal who and you know nothing about Gura
>>11844 its really just 2 to 3 IDs(that might be the same person) spamming concerntroll, shitpost, anticorpo, antiexholo, cuckpost, etc basicly shitting up the thread
>>11851 Suisei and Korone are more known in the west than any HoloEN not named Gura, cry more.
someone is having quite the melty in HoloTowa's /hlgg/ threads, and his style of posting reminds me of the typical numberfag posters
so what kind of numbers are VSPO CN going to pull https://x.com/Tsuyuri_vspocn
>>11857 Ohh, I'm midori today huh
>>11857 >style of posting reminds me of the typical numberfag posters like saying dorya at the end of every sentence?
>>11857 A melty about what?
>>11855 mean for >>11845
>>11857 Numbers are already banned over there, you don't need to do this psyop
>>11861 That he was banned over having an unpopular opinion over there or something? He was complaining that HoloTowah was overly-moderated and everyone there is roasting him. He just absolutely REFUSED to back down and the previous thread ended with his arguments.
>>11864 Kek what a retard
>>11864 might be that ligvshojojpcuckposter guy
>>11852 I'm reading the reddit post about his stream and the cope is really funny
>>11855 Pretty much. It has been fun to see the: >Oh the person that makes these schizo posts is also the same person that makes these other schizo post When they forget to switch up IDs
>>11866 Apparently he was that anon that was banned over some food analogy and he was offended that he got banned for it which started that whole argument with the rest of the thread
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Basic homofan
>>11820 Short term? I agree
>>11820 EN fanbase only has themselves to blame for worshipping lazy normalfags the most.
>>11099 Kson was also doing great during her first few months but her content was kinda stale so people moved on, same will happen with Nimi who can't really compete with holo EN in any way long term with few events and collabs.
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>>11796 History repeats itself
New post after 8 years of hiatus. https://blog.4chan.org/
>>11875 ban evading huh
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>>11820 I disagree.. Picture this: Advent and Justice don't exist, but Fauna, Mooms and Gura still graduated nonetheless, and all the shit that happened during the Omegay Era still happened. Literally everything that's happened still happened BUT THERE'S NO ADVENT AND JUSTICE TO HEAL HOLOLIVE EN..... Can you imagine how fucking GRIM that scenario was?
>>11877 >but Fauna, Mooms and Gura still graduated nonetheless Yea I don't think that was the point of that post
>>11873 Stale content is not an issue for EN grifters. Streaming /v/slop and reacting is all the EN fanbase wants and it's never gonna get stale to them. The most generic stream content IS the road to success. Just look at vwhorejo for example, all Zentranny does is stream /v/slop and his numbers have only grown. Nimi is unlikely to fall off a cliff.
>>11878 Myth and Promise were still doomed nonetheless due to a multitude of fucking problems and suffering. My point is that all of those would still happen anyways, those that left would still leave, but if there's no Advent and Justice to help stop the bleeding then it would be 10X worse. 10X more grim.
>>11878 the post is retarded to begin with, its imply that they are kicking sno for new gen when its just cover being retarded and incompetent
>>11679 is this chatGPT?
>>11875 this attentionwhoring is getting stale, they're trying so hard to compensate for getting buttfucked. Just stfu and return, stop trying to "hype" it
>>10898 long long engurishu nooooooo
>>11482 Flattened Kronii...
>>11887 Juns Gang...
>>11887 >Cheat on wife with a literal whore >She leaves him wow shocking!! Generate more Pekoseethe to bury this!!!
>>11888 if jusgang is over who gonna downvote the leddit posts now...
>>11889 The whore (real) was hot though. I checked out some of her JAVs.
Nerissa really needs to give up on Shiori.
>>11892 Holos should never give up on their friends.
>>11887 Easy numbers.
>>11894 Is he going to commit seppuku live to compensate for his sins?
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