>>12979 Read the post you imbecile, I'm not saying it's needed, I'm saying it's neat that it shuts the fuck up when you're driving in a manner that's counterproductive to it's purpose. When grampa-ing around it's so small it's not even bothersome.

>>12984 The way you worded it made it sound like you actually used it.

>>12977 You mean…manual Toyotas? i have not seen any other car do that.

>>12996 It's actually a manual subaru if you want to get technical about it, but driving an impreza the other day I noticed how many "small things" are from the toyota parts bins. Most things you interact with save for the parking brake lever have the toyota feel, though no matter how much work they did, they couldn't get the boxer out of the engine.

So someone asked me "Why didn't you buy a VW Golf R?" At the time the question to me by surprise because they're totally not the same thing, so I blankly answered "Because it's a VW" But collecting my thoughts, there's a lot more depth to that: in that power range and drivetrain configuration, a wrx is a much better buy. But in the end that's not the same kind of car, and is like asking why someone bought an mx5 instead of a Mustang.

>>13221 >wrx vs golf r = miata vs mustang Hardly. The Golf R is in the same class as the wrx (hot not hatch) has more power, more comfort, and more Germany. It's more like Miata vs Z3 M. Mustang is a completely different kind of car from the Miata - all they share is number of doors. Which wrx is it?

>>13223 >Mustang is a completely different kind of car from the Miata That's the point, owning an 86 I was asked why I didn't buy a Golf R: It's absolutely not what I was looking for. Too heavy, too turbo, too many drive wheel, too much stupid german engineering, 10000 $ more, etc. If I had been shopping in that segment, a WRX would have made a much better choice, but I was shopping in the small-light-cheap-fun segment, because I wanted to return to the small-light-cheap-fun of my first car, which was an AW11 MR2

>>13225 You'd be paying $10000 more for a car that has a mandated minimum amount of recycled plastic. German cars are in such a state that Otto's grave can produce the equivalent of 5000HP.

>>13225 >86 You implied that you had a wrx. >in that power range and drivetrain configuration, a wrx is a much better buy. Never mentioned an 86.

>>13228 In case you did not notice this is an 86 thread. I didn't say I had a WRX, I said it would have been a better buy, had I been shopping in that segment, than the shitty VW the person assumed I should have bought. And that they were an idiot for assuming I wanted an AWD turbo hot hatch when I wanted a lightweight RWD NA coupe.

I would like to add, fuel economy is insane with this car, way better than what's listed on toyota's website. Yesterday I went on a rather long drive, set the cruise at the speed limit and chilled for about 200km, then hauled ass down one of my favorite mountain roads sustaining speeds between 145 and 110 km/h for over a hundred km, then stopped into town to have a bite, then went back home on cruise control doing the speed limit for about another hundred km. During that drive, I basically went from sea level to 800-900m (2600-3000 feet) and back to sea level 3 times. I reset the fuel economy average in the dash as I was leaving, and by the time I was back and refueling, it was showing 6.2l/100km, which is 37.9 mpg. Thirty-seven point nine em pee gees. I am astounded.

>>13227 I bet that mandated minimum is used up in sound deadening material, where recycled plastic actually makes sense.

>>13427 Actually, used in hinges and moving parts. Your idea makes way too much sense to be the case.

>>13427 Germans use the worst plastics for underhood applications too, everything turns brittle after just a few years. Plastic hose barbs on engine components, cooling system, emissions systems are especially problematic.

That fucking BRZ keeps calling me, every few months I start looking at them. Now that I have a real job, a year from now I can think about buiying a car. I can still get my shitbox to 200k before she dies. T I keep telling myself I want to find a 90s jap ca like a NA or a 2.5RS, maybe an AE86 but this thing calls back to me, I see used one going for 15-18k, but for that much I could do better…can't I? That's Honda S2000 money. Thats buying a NA and making her look real nice money. All the 90s jap cars I find are too good to be true deals or so broken I'd never dream of DDing it….maybe a year from now I could get a used BRZ that hasn't been beat to death before it turned 5 years old. A part of me just can't trust newer cars. I

>>13546 I did the whole "80's japanese car" thing like 15+ years ago and I've been DDing my 86 since mid march, it's a way better daily driver than any 90's car could be. It feels old school, while avoiding being the shit heap those old cars would be after a quarter century.

>>13548 Where do you live? do you need to worry about salt and snow?

>>13548 Why do you think any car turns into a shit heap after 1/4 of century? Mine turns 30 next year, and it is still better than that fucking stupid VW Bora garbage my neighbour has.

>>13549 Yes, road salt, abrasive sand and rocks, cold starts below -20, shoveling the plow's burm so it won't get stuck or ruin the bumper. The 86 is likely going to wear some studded Pirellis come november. >>13550 Because I'm an auto mechanic. But also: finding a good price on a clean "classic" japanese sports car that hasn't been beat to shit is going to be fucking random luck. And even once you have one, it's still not a great idea to DD because the car itself is a scarce, finite resource. The reason a GT/86/BRZ makes sense as a DD is that it isn't something special, it's literally made from the subaru parts bins, if anything happens to anything you can probably get most things fixed on the same day with no hassle.

>>13551 Like I said the thought comes back to me every few months to look at one over what I keep saying I'd like. For the price they're too slow to buy new. Maybe if I did get a used one for under 20k. I'd have to test drive one. By this time next year my car I drive now will be around 110k miles give or take. It could live longer, maybe. The only other new car aside from the BRZ that I like at all is the new MX5. I still think the front is too angry, but the cars been growing on me,however I'd still like a NA or NB over it…

>>13558 >Too slow So what you're saying is your a shitty driver?

>>13560 No, the thing should be kicking out more than fucking 200 horsepower

>>13561 https://youtu.be/NSq5Zb5ZNWY?t=16m46s

>>13563 Sadly I don't live around winding roads, unless I drive up north. I'm not wild about that hard top MX5 they showed. I have no doubt they're both amazing track cars. A new MX5 is also too much. If I got one I'd wait for them to drop a bit and buy a used one. I never said I didn't like the cars. I know people like to turbo the BRZs don't know if they do it with the MX5 though. I'm sure if it was from the factory they'd make the car 5 grand more and call it the BRZ STI

>>13564 What I mean is, it isn't underpowered for what it is, looking at it's lap times it's often in very good company. But if you want to steamroll people on straights, then that's pretty much what the car was designed against. With that being said though, it's a wonderful drive in regular traffic and a very nice high speed cruiser, I spent a few hours the other day at 85+ mph and it was completely undramatic, and even economical, and that was the 6MT with the 4.3 rear end, the automatic with the 4.1 would be even better at that, and having driven it, it's a very good automatic.

>>13566 I'd never get it in an automatic. With a car like that I know I'm not winning any drag battles against pony cars. Maybe if they have the 4 banger mustang and I'm faster off the line? I'll see where I am a year from now and what I like more, the BRZ or the MX5. I do like the idea of making the BRZ turbo. I could find an FRS too maybe. I'm not crazy about the front bumper of the 86. I would just need to find a place to put the front plate that doesn't fuck with the car. any pics of yours by any chance?

>>13569 I lived next to a subaru dealer (I didn't move, they did) and say the refreshed BRZ every day for months last year when it came out, I'll say that pictures make the subaru look better, but in person the toyota looks better, the recessed grille makes the nose look longer and lower, and being recessed it doesn't look as huge and gaping as in pictures, while on the subaru the large flush grille and huge black bar don't stand out in a good way. The subaru bumper is also full of straight lines and angles which are nowhere else on the car, which is stupid? Here's mine, I added the fog lights which weren't available in canada, and the underbody panels

>>13570 I love the LED headlights, look at that cutoff! BTW, the pre-'17 manual FRS and BRZ have a 4.1 diff, so they'll cruise better at high speed than a '17 and up.

>>13570 Yeah the plastic thing on the BRZ is a little…eh. I wonder if they have kits to replace it with a full grill. I didn't know Canada let you have no front plate. Guess guy guys have 1 better thing than us ( along with more Skylines) The 86 looks pretty good in that color too. >>13571 If I buy a used one my guess is it will be pre-'17 thats if I don't fall in love with the mx5 The FRS looks like it pops out a little less thren the 86 does. You can't buy new FRS anymore so I wonder how many are still sitting at Toyota dealers. I know it has a white cluster and imo those look tacky. Have you thought about adding a turbo at all or are you keeping her NA? I'm also going to assume all 3 and the MX5 hold up fine since they're jap cars? I don't know shit about how new cars do. I drive a 23 year old GM.

>>13572 All 3 are pretty nice even if they're the same car. It's a shame they make up most of the market for FR sports cars if you don't count the pony cars or the MX5. It's a dying market and the faggot laws in place will make it worst. I also wanted to ask how the blind spots are in that thing? Is seeing out the back a pain?

>>13573 Keeping it NA, it's my daily and I like things simple and reliable. The view out of the back is GREAT, the left blind spot is HUGE. You pretty much have to set your side mirrors to see the bling spots.

>>13574 Fuck man this thing keeps calling me. I might next drive one in 8 months when I'm closer to thinking about buying a car. Not sure I want to buy new. I'm not made of money.

>>13574 Also, front plates are a provincial thing, Quebec has no front plates, but Ontario does for example. Of course few are the people who are actually made out of money, I wouldn't have been opposed to a used one, but the list of improvements to the '17 is quite large, so while I was ruminating the decision over last winter, I was piling some money, and by the time I was ordering the car, I was pretty much knocking 11.5k out of it along with some trade in shenanigans, which in the end makes it not utterly expensive.

>>13577 Plates are state by states. Most states down south care about freedom more and let you not dill holes in your car. It's not the case where I am since my state is communist. I said I'd just not put the plate on, but I'm told I'll get pulled over daily for it. It's fucking stupid. You spend 26k+ on a car and ruin the front with an ugly tin plate and before a few years ago they would drill fucking holes in the bumper. I'll cross that bridge when I get there. I plan on saving like crazy. I have loans to pay off, but I can manage that and get a car. It's why I'm going to wait till next summer. By then I should know what I want…I hope. Its fun, till now I didn't have a real job so I could never think about getting a car.

>>13578 Can't it just be zip tied in the grille? It's not like a rear plate that has lights and shit, as long as it's securely fastened and not obscured shouldn't that get a pass? I went and got my front plate rack, as we still get them, but they're in a little bag in the trunk, and it's a monstrosity, like, as wide as an euro plate and seems to mount in the fucking PAINTED PART of the bumper with HUGE half-inch wide well-nuts. If I had to have one, I'd definitely go with an aftermarket solution that mounts in the tow hook threads. Like http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/grimmspeed-plate-relocation-199.html#.WVw-YHXythE But if you're buying used the damage will already be done.

>>13580 I see that one a lot on those cars. Some get unlucky and they drill holes on that plastic part of the BRZ. I see very few FRS and 86 around here for some reason so I can't say for sure I could zip tie it on. We just have a very ugly plate that stands out like crazy