Hatchbacks are poor people's choice though (eurofag point of view). On stupid things normie says, there's always the miata hate and the absolute unawareness of engines in cars in general.

>>12133 Why not a sedan?

I want a : >mustang >challenger >camaro

>>12137 This is only true in north America, having one of those in Europe is dank

"It's probably really easy driving in the snow with your [front wheel drive SUV]" "Naw mate, its front wheel drive so its really no better than a Civic" "OMG REALLY?" All you have to do is make a car LOOK like it would be good at something and normies will believe it. Hell, its astounding how bad normies are at driving in mild amounts of snow, at least in Virginia >gets stuck in 2 inches of snow >you don't understand! I was on A HILL, BRO Is the concept of going slow and not mashing on the gas/brakes really that difficult of a concept? How are you getting stuck in this babby shit with your FWD ABS bubble when your grandpappy was going through blizzards in a god damned Chevette?

>>12136 It was a hand-me-down, but I prefer a hatch for the practicality, anyway. Better visibility compared to Protege sedan, more cargo space, more sitting room in the back, etc. >>12134 Compared to sports cars, maybe, but next to family sedans or compact SUVs hatchbacks aren't really poorfag.

>>12144 In Europe, they are. Maybe not in the US because there are less sales, so less margin for the dealer.

>Two doors? must be a sports car >red car instantly makes you a hooligan >Why do you still drive that old thing? get a new car already >miata I COULD FIT THAT IN THE BACK OF MY TRUCK

>>12141 not cheaper to keep running though

>>12153 True, but the car doesn't lose value so the cost of use is more or less the same.

>buys a mustang/camaro/challenger >gets the v6 >gets the auto Why not just buy a fucking sedan if you're going to do it all wrong? You clearly don't care about cars.

>>12164 you and I both know its about looking cool to people that don't know any better like fedoralords that buy cheap Chinese swords/knives because they can't afford the legit stuff that costs more than a lot of modern guns do, or GRRL GAYMRS that only play Overwatch and/or League of Legends while having no idea what bunny hopping or DPS is.

>>12168 I don't know if they're better or worst than the people that buy the V8, but get an automatic. Automatic cars trigger me.

>>12169 V8 + automatic is worse. They have that powerful engine and can't make good use of it. Even V6 fags who get the manual are above them

>>12139 Ayy, Virginia fag. We got a fair amount of snow this past storm. I think it was between 8" - 12" Things weren't too bad here, when it came to other drivers, but the roads were crap for a few days. The city didn't do anything to counter act the snow and ice.

>>12171 Eh. I give it a pass on old muscle cars with autos because for the non-tuned ones their main purpose is usually cruising on straight roads with the rumble rather than tearing up the canyons or whatever. I know you were mainly referring to newer (early 2000's and later) cars, though. >>12177 Has the weather been bi-polar for you too? >snow storm just a few weeks ago that didn't completely melt for most of the week >past few days have been warm enough for pollen to spread? NRV, for reference

>>12194 I'm really late, but yeah, weather has been very bipolar. It was like 60's a week before Christmas, we had the snow storm that lasted a little then a few days later it was high 60's maybe low 70's. Just the other day it was in the 70's and it's gonna stay at high 40's for a little

>>12177 >>12194 I drive an automatic v8 from 2012. In my, poor, defence I use it as a daily drive to and from work in awful traffic and don't use it on a track or for any sort of racing. I just like to 'cruise' around in it. It's got a sequential shifter, which obviously isn't as responsive as genuine manual but at least allows for some adequate control over the gears when I want.

>>12245 No need to defend yourself, not every car is right for every person. but when someone claims automatics are superior altogether I get pissed

>>12246 >automatics are superior altogether That is just plain wrong. I don't know how anyone could claim they are overall better than manuals. I can understand why you would get pissed. I would have bought a manual if I could, but I got this one second hand and it was a bargain considering the work that had been done to it. If I had bought the manual equivalent and done the work myself (well, taken it to a shop to get it done) I would have been out of pocket an easy $15-20k.

"electric cars don't have enough range for me" Bitch you drive 20 miles a day, max. You're literally afraid of the fucking highway. Save the gasoline for the cars that need it. Like 1974 datsuns. Your minivan/SUV crossover is making gas expensive.

>>12252 Most normalfags will have the occasional long drive or road trip, so for anyone that can't afford to rent a car, an EV isn't practical. but those people most likely couldn't afford an EV in the first place, could they?

>>12245 >>12248 For city driving with moderate to heavy traffic an automatic could be a much better choice. And if you got it for a good price that's all the more props to you >>12246 >>12248 You could argue that in certain situations that automatics could be better than manuals. I'm thinking more of higher end performance sports cars where automatics can get amazing quick shifts. I don't know where I'd stand on which is more superior, but I'd lean manual, it's my preference now and I truly enjoy driving manual.

>>12255 Automatics definitely have their uses, but claiming (like in >>12246) that they are overall superior to manuals, I think, is wrong. However, I guess we are getting to a point where technology is allowing automatics to catch up to manuals with their sequential shifters: either in stick or in flappy paddles. I still believe that a manual gives you more control over the car and regardless of how good an automatic gearbox may get it will never let you skips gears, such as downshifting from 4th to 2nd.

>>12257 No argument there in regards to control of a vehicle. Manuals definitely give superior control over one's vehicle, I don't think automatics will be able to match that

>>12253 The bolt ev has 200+ miles of range. Find me a normal fag who can sit in the car for 200 miles without stopping for a bathroom break. Just pick your stop so you can charge with chargepoint or Tesla. >"You should sell your (twin turbo v8) car to buy something new, new cars are faster anyway" That relationship didn't last long. Ended that same day when I spanked her FRS on the freeway like a Ford probe on 3 cylinders.

>>12266 We bought a wrecked leaf for 2200, drove it from Portland to Seattle for 100% free then had to trailer it from Seattle, west, as there weren't any charge stations and the car only had about 80 miles of usable range.

You can go fast with a 120hp diesel too

>>12754 You can though… You might even be able to go faster than an equivalent displacement gas engine thanks to more torque.

>>12248 >tfw my car is auto only At least it's one of the good automatics with sudden engagement. >>12252 But people will have to get used to black and white iPhone screens after they waste all the world's lithium on this facade.

>>12245 My V6 is an automatic.It's also a FWD family car, so who cares. We have heavy traffic here too, but I still want a manual RWD car.

>>12133 Honestly I never really liked hatchbacks save a few. I see most of the people who post cars here and I think they're ugly.

>>12799 Yeah. They're pretty shit. Won't stop the weeabs, though.

>>12799 Is that by virtue of the concept of a hatchback itself or just that most hatchbacks have specific things that make you not like them? >>12803 >weebs The station wagon was invented in the USA.

>>12793 You are not the anon with that VR6 Golf, right? Please say you are not. If that Golf is auto, i will drop a tear.

>>12812 I'm not.

>>12808 The station wagon is a symbol of American pride over the many victories, in the early 20th century. A carriage for the family seeking to explore and reap the spoils of the great American countryside, in an unforgettable era of invincibility. The hatchback, however, has none of those honors. If it were symbolic of anything, it'd be of the strict vice, and decay of western society. A meager vehicle for one who would only ride with one another beside him, if he rides with company, at all, as he hums foreign tunes, whilst thinking of foreign tales designed to sell the trite ride he tries to pride himself in. At the very least, it conserves the foreign oils bustling within it.

>>12817 What? hatchback doesn't = 2-seater. Mine is a four-door, five seats. not that I ever use the other four seats. you're pretty spot-on

>>12817 Just like big American cars, small hatchbacks rose in Europe out of environmental necessity. 50s American cars are big with big engines because the country was big with big, long, straight roads. European cars, especially small hatchbacks, were that way because most people lived in or near cities and the roads in those cities were tiny because of how old they were. Small hatchbacks are quintessentially European. AFIAK, kei cars have never been exported and have had little to no influence over European cars. What about rally, the purest and most European form of motorsport? Do you think that that is degenerate because they use two door hatchbacks? The geometry of a D pillar doesn't change anything other than cargo space and your attempt to sound enlightened falls flat in the face of your stupidity.

>>12817 >for one who would only ride with one another beside him How often do you ride with any passengers? Probably rarely. Most people commute by themselves. More stupidity. I was going to embed the Top Gear segment where one of them is standing on the side of a motorway counting the number of large cars with only one person in them but I couldn't find it.

>>12827 I just noticed the Islamic flag in that image…

>>12827 I wonder how long before 8/o/ gets its first retarded heated arguments about the relative merits of pushrod versus overhead cam valve actuation.

>>12830 I could barely care less about whether he likes hatchbacks or not. His stupid, /pol/tard-esque philosophy triggers me. I really would like to know what he thinks of rally, though.

>>12266 >The bolt ev has 200+ miles of range. In a lab, perhaps. >>12779 No. You see, what matters is power, because power is constant through the drivetrain (assuming no friction losses), while low torque can always be converted to high wheel torque through gearing. So if your diesel produces 120hp at 3500RPM while your gasser produces that same amount of power at 6500RPM they both have the potential at going equally fast. >>12817 >Implying you don't get to bring friends in a hatchback The flight plan I can file with the agency lists me, two of my men, Dr. Pavel here but only one of you because 5 people fit into my Polo. >>12830 >Retarded argument OHC allows 4 or even 5 valves per cylinder for more power and supports neat stuff like VTEC while pushrod engines are cheaper, easier to work on and perhaps a little lighter because of less camshafts. OHC and DOHC is great for inline engines, but anything with two cylinder banks is going to get complicated with such a system.

>>12831 That isn't /pol/'s style. More reminiscent of Quentin than anything. Rally is good shit though. >>12834 Now this guy gets it. But I was joking about how on 4/o/ there would be at least one 100 post argument a day about which way of pressing down valves is objectively better.

>>12818 >hatchback doesn't = 2-seater Take a look at the one in the image. >>12827 >what about rally They ride in those cars to sell them to you. Nice European flag, cuck. >>12828 >most people commute by themselves In the current year. Do you ever think about starting up a family, having roadtrips? >>12834 >5 people fit into my Polo Must be very snug, unless you're manlets.

>>12843 The Mk6 Polo is about as large as a Mk4 Golf, on the outside. It's big enough for 5 people, but I would want to take them on long journeys for that. If you want to drive your entire flight plan around 52 states, you're going to need something like a Ford Transit people carrier.

>>12843 >Nice European flag, cuck. Actually, fuck off. You're filtered, you sour cunt.

>>12843 >can't fit 5 in a polo How obese are you? I went through 6k kms of Europe in a polo with 4 friends of mine, it fits. >don't know the difference between commuting and traveling You can also have one car for both, if I may add to the debate.

>>12843 >one in the image The image you posted is of a 5 door hatch. >writes off rally as a ploy to get people to buy small hatchbacks Rally cars have always been small because the shorter wheel base and smaller mass makes for better maneuverability. The advertising stuff came later. >European flag I didn't notice it until after I posted it. >>12829 Blind retard. >buying a family roadtrip car to commute in before you are even married Only larping retards do this. Stop being a faggot. Do you even have a car?

>>12847 >>12848 >filtered What a wuss you must be, to cease arguing over what offends you. It's even worse, if you unhid my post, just to read this. >>12850 Like the fellow above you suggested, before bitching out, you're going to need something actually designed for travel, if you're to journey the way a station wagon is intended for, like Camping trips, or visits to the drive-in. The room in the back isn't just for show. It's for storage, with the roof rack for whatever won't fit in the back. >>12852 >the image you posted is of a 5 door hatch Then you replied with me implying all hatches are two-door, when I clearly posted something with more to it, in the very post you replied to. >rally cars have always been small Yet you do not state the reason for them to be raced with hatchbacks, specifically. The real reason for that being that rally races themselves were cultivated in the age of the hatchback. As society moved to more conservative vehicles, so did the racing community come to center around them. That's another story, though, since station wagons weren't mostly used for derbies, all of the time. >I didn't notice it until after I posted it Yet that was much too late, and I'm not the type to pass out on a quick insult. >only larping retards do this Men and women got married at much earlier times, in those days. Not only that, but there was definitely less social anxiety in the air. Fresh off high, they'd strike up a household, if they didn't go at it, long after, and back then, it was "til death do you part". Very conservative times, unlike afterwards, where many couples would attempt to hold back on starting a family with how the economy was, sometimes having only a single child, or maybe two if they felt excessive. Not too many eight-child households, in the future, if you know what I mean.

>>12854 >The room in the back isn't just for show. It's for storage, The same thing applies to small hatchbacks and it's the reason small sedans/coupes aren't practical. >you implied all hatches are two door I wrote nothing to imply anything of the sort. It is true, though, that most early European small cars had only two doors, and that remains to this day.. >The real reason for that being that rally races themselves were cultivated in the age of the hatchback. They were not. Pics related. It likely happens that as time went on, people realized that small sedans/coupes aren't practical, so manufacturers started making small hatchbacks. I assume it's a mostly European thing, since you see a lot more sedans in the US. >As society moved to more conservative vehicles What? The whole time you've been talking about how cars and society have been getting more degenerate. >getting offended by a fucking flag that was posted accidentally >I'm not the type to pass out on a quick insult >called me a cuck two posts ago I have no words to convey how retarded this is. >in those days We also sent niggers to different schools, institutionalized the insane, and killed communists, in those days. How society functioned 50 years ago doesn't apply to how it works today, regardless of whether the current condition is good or bad. If you are 25 with a wife and three kids, go camping on the weekends and do road trips every summer, it makes perfect sense to drive a station wagon. But if you don't do or have any of those things it doesn't make sense, and there is nothing wrong with driving a small hatchback to take advantage of the cargo space, fuel economy, and driveability. You know how the original Beetle was the official do-it-all car of Nazi Germany? You know how it only had two doors? You know how a family put their three kids in the back and went on trips? >hold back on starting a family with how the economy was You say that like it's a bad thing. Having kids is stupid if you know you can't afford it. What creates an environment where such conditions can occur is a completely different topic. Multiple kinds of car are useful for the same purposes. However, small sedans and coupes are significantly less practical than small hatchbacks, so if you need a small car (whether you live in a city, need to save on gas, or whatever else) the most practical option is a hatchback. Sometimes you people say things that make me question whether you are serious or not. I honestly can't tell half the time. You must either be joking or retarded. I'm more agitated by that than by the specific topic of discussion.

>>12854 You also didn't answer my last question. Post your car, faggot.

>>12855 Got any rally 280Z or 240RS in your collection?

>>12857 I found all of these on Google Images within about 30 seconds of a search for " [year/generation] [make] [model] rally car"

>>12854 >poorfag who can't afford a car comes to /o/ to agendapost.

>>12854 Bitching out on what, you're the angry fag here. I never said SW weren't good for traveling (I actually enjoy them a lot), I just said you had enough room in recent hatchbacks to travel. Yes you can fit more in SW. But I'm just not rich enough to afford one. Also why would I bother, I'm not a 4-luggage lady when I travel.

>>12859 I thought we are allowed to have dreams here, right?

>>12855 >the same thing applies to small hatchbacks Except it isn't exactly enough room for gear, unless you're just roughing it, or going alone, which again brings me to how lonely hatchbacks are meant to he designed. >I wrote nothing to imply anything of the sort. It is true, though, that most early European small cars had only two doors, and that remains to this day Which brings us exactly to the point about western society becoming one of loners, from the four-door folk's wagon, to the two-door import. >they were not Read: cultivated. Not created from. As the age of hatchbacks came into being, so did the race cars begin to take shape with the era. >the whole time you've been talking about how cars and society have been getting more degenerate Conservative, as in purposely low, for the sake of caution. When salaries don't pay up for the pump, you've got to start thinking about a smaller car, and a smaller family. >if you are 25 with a wife and three kids, go camping on the weekends and do road trips every summer, it makes perfect sense to drive a station wagon Exactly. You should be driving your loner from the start of your time on the road to the beginning of your family, which is earlier than you think. Inheritance basically ensures that your old car won't go unloved, since eventually one of your offspring will mature to use it, in your place. The hatchback of course being of no relation to the station wagon, at this point, which is what I had addressed, to begin with. >you know how the original Beetle was the official do-it-all car of Nazi Germany >you know how it only had two doors >you know how a family put their three kids in the back and went on trips Germany was a different kind of country, back then. Its heavily-ingrained and compact culture makes for entirely different needs, when concerning transportation. A world comprised of small towns, and industrial parks, with little room between makes the station wagon wholly unnecessary, in such a homogenised realm. >having kids is stupid if you know you can't afford it That mostly comes down to idiots no longer having so many safety nets, when concerning things like credit scams, and general usury. Thus, the regular peasant who does not know so much makes for an economic trend. That, with the concurrent emissions standards and oil crisis spelled a deep change in the way people move about. >multiple kinds of car are useful for the same purposes >however, small sedans and coupes are significantly less practical than small hatchbacks, so if you need a small car (whether you live in a city, need to save on gas, or whatever else) the most practical option is a hatchback Yes, of course, but this is kind of straying away from the original subject. >>12859 Not an argument. >>12860 >I'm not a 4-luggage lady when I travel A hatchback would be more suited to personals, but again, the wagon is for the family.