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Anonymous 01/23/2017 (Mon) 01:05:22 Id: c95e1e No. 12201
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>>12202 >Been saving up for a nice car >Was thinking about a beamer, or Benz >Watch the grand tour >See this sexy as fuck alfa >Get that same feeling in my belly as when I kissed a girl for the first time >Read this
>>12204 I wouldn't buy it unless you have a lot of money for maintenance. AFAIK it really is technically a four door Ferrari, and will most likely come with the insurance and maintenance costs you might expect from that.
Why would they do this? Are they actually fucking retarded? Do they not make 99% of their profits from selling automatic shitboxes i.e catering to the masses. They realize the only people who will buy this car are enthusiasts, and enthusiasts want a manual?
>>12222 (checked) >Alfa said a low take rate for manuals in the States prompted the company to nix the stick-shift option on our shores. Wealthy driving enthusiasts are rare.
>>12223 What do you mean by wealthy? Alfas aren't that expensive. The quadrifoglio is about the same as an m3.
>>12225 >$72,000 >not that expensive Considering that the average American household income is around $55,000, yes it is.
>>12225 >>12226 Realistically an "affordable" new car is about $30,000. Enough that someone with low income could pay it off within five years. $40,000 to $55,000 is mid-tier, but the lower-end. Notice the 4C is in this category. Around the $70,000 to $95,000 is your true mid-tier cars. You can get a new flagship vehicle from a quality manufacturer for these prices. $110,000-$200,000 is your high-end supercar range. Beyond that, everything is basically hypercars or collectibles for the ultra-wealthy. That being said, a lot of people in the US absolutely can afford an $80,000 car… even on only $55k a year. For a start, that average is lowered by the middle parts of America, which often make closer to $16,000 in a year. Meanwhile, the average on the coasts is closer to $61,000. In a strange way, by having a higher cost-of-living in some places, you can actually "save" money on some things with fixed prices, like vehicles, because the cost isn't fixed to cost of living, just inflation. In short, expect to see cars like nicer BMWs or Alfas or Teslas in rich, coastal cities… even by the poor. I've known families to own $30,000 BMWs when they make closer to $10,000 a year. Especially when these things start being sold used in a couple years, they'll be $10,000-$20,000 cheaper, and that will be enough to knock them down an entire bracket. Someone on minimum wage isn't buying one of these, but someone with a decent office job could absolutely get one. It's irresponsible, and they'll drown in the debt, especially once repair costs mount… but they could do it. And it's common in America for people to buy flashy cars, or oversized TVs, even when they can barely afford the mortgage on their crappy house, or make rent month-to-month, because keeping up appearances elsewhere is more important than living in a nicer place, or having better financial stability. I'm guessing none of these idiots learned how to drive stick, either.
>>12227 >It's irresponsible, and they'll drown in the debt, especially once repair costs mount… That's why I'm saying $70k is expensive. When I say "can afford" I mean reasonably afford - either paying 100% up front (saved over a reasonably short time) or with a 3-4 year loan that doesn't cripple you financially. Idiots who put themselves $100k into long-term debt to buy a new car cannot afford them.
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>>12226 But you don't have to be rich to buy one without fucking yourself over. Someone who makes around $100k/year and lives in a normal sized house could easily get one.
>>12234 What about maintenance? Italians always cost a lot to maintain, especially a new Alfa. I don't think you're going to reasonably be able to maintain it with $100k/year after taxes and other living expenses, especially if you are like most people and have debt. It could happen if you pretended you had half your salary to work with for everything else, or if you were smart and didn't have debt, but very few people do either of those things. New Alfas are shit anyway. Expensive, unreliable, and shit to drive, but pretty to look at? They are the automotive equivalent of stuck-up, retarded supermodels.


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