>>15358 Have fun

you'll grow tired of it eventually

>>15361 Why?

>>15361 no you won't.

>>15362 because it's pure novelty that will turn into a nuisance over time >>15364 k den

I feel it's best to have two cars, one in manual for fun times, and one in automatic for the daily commute in stop-go traffic

>>15366 What the fuck? Autos are a novelty for disabled people with 1 leg or those who have to stuff their faces with food every waking hour. If ypu have 2 healthy legs, do not eat all your meals all the time anywhere, there is nothing wrong with a manual. If my hands were not busy on manual on city, i would likely get bored and do shit on phone. And if anyone is poking their phone while driving, they deserve to crash in a upcoming truck. Also manual is great for pulling stuff and getting unstuck.

>>15377 I work in a heavily trafficked zone. If I only had one car, I wouldn't own a manual. Shit sucks and will destroy your clutch in traffic.

Manual allows for greater control of the throttle and acceleration/deceleration via manipulation of the clutch, its that simple. My campus has a 90 degree corner between two long straights and whenever I drive vigorously with great enthusiasm I always shift from 4 to 1 back up to 4 again while trying to maintain high revs without braking. That's just not possible with an automatic.

>>15417 >always runs on higher rpm so people think he has a MACHINA

>>15418 No I don't. I like to drive but I don't like stressing the gearbox or having bad fuel economy plus I actually want my car to last.

>>15417 >I always shift from 4 to 1 back up to 4 again What the fuck kind of car do you drive? You either lug your engine in 4th or overrev it in 1st. Second would work, but 1st…. wew.

>>15417 I get that you want the LOUUUUD vroom vrooms but what the fuck would this actually do to aid in your cars a) steering or b) momentum because I can't think of a whole lot dropping into first without reason would do, you'd be better finding a slightly higher gear and carrying more speed through the apex and not having to shift once you're already supposed to be accelerating on the straight practice young padawan but grats on the new manual! You are finally becoming a man

>>15426 >>15417 >trying to maintain high revs without braking. I suspect that is an attempt on engine braking. I wonder what exactly will be blown out first: the clutch that has to connect low reving engine with fast moving car in low gearing, or the piston valves, that have to deal with sudden overpressure.

Also fuck all these manlets complaining about manual in traffic - if you're not SHIT at shifting you won't fuck up your transmission so the guy that posted that is a retard for that reason alone, and the guy who said you'll get bored - yes, just pushing gas brakes gas brakes isn't boring where shifting manmode and revmatching etc is totally a snooze fest…. makes sense

>>15427 actual brakes are just better, they induce more weight transfer which if controlled with gas (heel-toe etc) can both initiate turns better and also stay more stable through and out of the apex of a given corner the thing is, driving fast means driving smooth, finding the limit of traction and riding it, smooth clean apexes and intelligent weight transfer, you don't go fast just because your car is making loud noises I like this board, I'd never seen it in the catalog until just now, hope you are all having a nice day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pJO4KMm_rU obligatory though

>>15428 >he thinks he shifts more precise than a computer

>>15431 computer can't adjust to road conditions and the real time adjustments needing to be made, it only knows "oh, at this RPM and this pedal pressure I shift! le ebin fast!!!! :DDDD" whereas a human can say "Okay, so this next corner I take at this speed, I want to be in this gear on corner exit" and adjust accordingly to carry the maximum speed through onto the straight

>>15431 Humans have one thing the computer does not: brains. Brains, that can make decisions and foresee the future to a certain degree. Automatics might shift faster, but they sure as hell do not shift correctly in every situation.

>>15426 >grats on the new manual! You are finally becoming a man I'm not OP. My parents insisted I learn a manual first. >If you an dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball! Fast forward 4 years and I still have never driven an automatic The reason I'm driving a manual is because I'm too poor to afford an automatic. >>15427 Well of course I break before reaching the corner, but not during it. By the time the steering wheel is actually turning to corner, I want to be accelerating again, which is the proper way to turn a 90 degree corner since if you don't start accelerating again by the time you are actually cornering the speed loss will be too big . I don't just shift down without considering my revs. I am trying to synergize using both brakes and gear-shifting to lose speed without solely relying on one exclusively only brakes= too great loss of momentum, only gears= catastrophe and now I feel like a sperg havving to write a whole paragraph on my doctrine to tackle 90-degree corners. I was not clear enough in my first post, sorry.

>>15433 >>15434 This issue is easily resolved my sequential automatics, especially ones using dual clutch setups. Manual is obsolete, but that doesn't mean it isn't fun. It just isn't optimal for daily use if you drive in traffic.

>>15427 You what? >the clutch that has to connect low reving engine with fast moving car in low gearing >what is rev matching >the piston valves, that have to deal with sudden overpressure Overpressure from fucking what? Just how little do you know about how engines work? If you rev match, if you don't exceed the redline and if you only go for high revs with warm oil, nothing's going to break ever from fucking engine braking.

>>15439 >It just isn't optimal for daily use if you drive in traffic. This is what leads to my friends not getting manual cars. The bumper to bumper traffic.

once decent paddle shifters become standard for sub 75K cars, manual will become even more obsolete.

>>15426 Thanks anon, I noticed since starting manual is I am not use to fucking up, so whenever I do I panic a bit thinking I might fuck it up. Doesn't help the clutch is sensitive so (Its a 97 BMW 318i) I haven't been able to shift real fast yet, especially taking off in first gear.

>>15361 What sort of weak limp wristed pussy are you?

>>15450 he's probably an amerimutt inner city-dweller who has never taken a drive just for the fun of it because he lives somewhere congested and shit

>>15451 >everyone that doesn't drive an mt econobox from 2001 and thinks he's paul walker is american ich scheisse auf dein brot und du denkst es wäre aufstrich, dann merkst du, dass es kacke ist und ich scheisse auf dich.

>>15453 >he's german >home of the autobahn >yet he shills for automatic gearboxes Just goes to prove that even though you need brains to make cars you need a soul to enjoy one

>>15453 That is about as Jewish as an insult gets.

If you are riding the clutch in slow traffic you are driving wrong. Just stay in gear and leave more distance from the car in front of you. Unless traffic is moving less than 10mph this usually works. If you encounter such slow traffic so often I would suggest trying to move somewhere you don't, it's probably a shitty place to live anyway with so many people.

>>15361 Only if you have to commute in stop and go traffic.

>>15444 >paddle shifters I sure love accidentally down shifting when I'm coming out of a turn. Trash.

>>15439 The funny thing about guys like you is you never think about what happens if the nearest shop is 500 miles away. I'd rather have a simple and absolutely reliable setup rather than bullshit relying on countless pieces of expensive electronics.

>>15498 Thanks for the advice >tfw on a incline >car behind you is right on your ass >trying your best to not fall far back I hate asshole who do this

>>15498 > leave more distance from the car in front of you. way to earn yourself a horn concerto from everyone on the road

>>15506 So? Your nerves can't handle some beeps and boops?

>>15507 >i enjoy behaving like an egoistic gigafaggot on public roads

>>15504 >trying your best to not fall far back If rolling back on a hill is a concern AT ALL, you should revisit your clutch basics, as holding the car on a hill with nothing but the clutch while you move your right foot from the brake to the gas is a basic skill that any teacher should have imparted to you. Shit, years ago when I was working a job that would have me hauling equipment and materials, I used to love driving the 83 chevy C20 with a 4 speed muncie and a carbed 350, that shit was the best tow rig I've ever driven, super fun. hall of fame moment was loaded with about 12000lb in the bed and platform trailer, stuck on this hill https://earth.google.com/web/@46.75680536,-71.28920687,64.92173004a,0d,60y,334.58944864h,76.67533988t,0r/data=IhoKFmsyQkpPSXpsSUpEY2J3WlM5RUI3LWcQAg To this day, that was the best launch of my life.

>>15506 Just because everyone else on the road is a fucking idiot doesn't mean you should join them. Tailgating is fucking retarded and if you do it you should shred your license and drink a gallon of gasoline. >can't see anything but the back of the poor soul in front of you (except he deserves it because he is probably tailgating the next guy) >he can't see anything behind him except your stupid face if it's light out, or your headlights if it's dark >if the guy brakes hard and quick you will rear end him >if you are in slow traffic, you will be constantly stopping, increasing wear on your car I'm not saying you should leave a fucking mile between you and the next car, but a car length for every 10mph or so is the minimum on clear roads, and no less than 3 car lengths unless you are in a literal parking lot. This ensures: >you don't have to stop in traffic, increasing fuel efficiency and reducing wear on the drivetrain and brakes >you have time to stop if the guy in front of you brakes hard >someone else can move into your lane if they need to (if you are one of those people who speeds up when someone in the next lane ahead puts their turn signal on, drink another gallon)

>>15515 Pro-tip for stop and go traffic: There will be a median speed. Say on average it's 5 mph. Give yourself enough space so that way you can move at a constant 5mph without stopping and starting again. If you and several people do this, the traffic jam actually will begin to clear for the people behind you.

>>15518 What do you do in near gridlock traffic? My worry is always just staling. The traffic here is fucking dogshit, but I still wanna drive stick.

>>15552 What I've been doing is just put it on neutral if you aren't going anywhere and once you see traffic start moving shift into first gear.

>>15556 That is the correct way to drive… Holding the clutch open for extended periods puts excess wear on the bearing and spring.

>>15561 What about at a normal stop sign with regular traffic, do you keep it on neutral then? Or put it on neutral before you stop so you can just use the brake without having to use the clutch(what I've been doing)

>>15563 What? You just use the engine breaking when you retrogear and switch to first gear when you're on the stop line. No need to get back to neutral.

>>15563 It boils down to personal preference. If i know i will not need to accelerate, i slip it out of gear (no clutch) and brake with regular brakes when necessary. Then to begin movement again put it in first with clutch and revmatch all the way to the needed speed.

>>15564 Doesn't that mean you will use the clutch more therefore ware it out slightly faster?

>>15566 The other solution makes you change your brakes even more, so you get to choose. The clutch doesn't wear off that fast anyways, except if you drive more than a thousand miles a week in city traffic.

>>15566 It doesn't wear the clutch if you match your revs.

>>15571 >The other solution makes you change your brakes even more Too little wear on your brakes is bad, too. Corroded brake disks suck extremely hard and are noisy, too.

>>15574 I never said not to use them at all, only to use them less.

>>15563 It depends on the situation, but I typically just go into neutral if I have to stop and go. Brakes are much easier and cheaper to service than clutches.

>>15417 >I always shift from 4 to 1 back up to 4 again while trying to maintain high revs without braking. just learn to fucking heel toe properly you fucking pleb. >>15515 > and no less than 3 car lengths I can't even leave a car and a half in front of me without someone pushing themselves in. my area sucks rancid assholes though.

>>15508 I do enjoy forcing people to be efficient with fuel.