1987 Pontiac Fiero GT Its a PITA to even change the spark plugs. But its so different of a car I love it to death

>MOT Word of advice: invest in some serious security and/or storage for when you're not driving it. Yobs are still stuck in the year 2000 mindset that econoboxes produced from the '80s - early '90s are as expendable as they once were and will not hesitate to joyride, vandalize and torch it at the most convenient opportunity. Every day a classic car is stolen. A quarter of those are damaged beyond repair. These two happened in the last 2 years. The latter was almost showroom spec with original dealer tags. They found the fuckers that did it passed out drunk immediately next to the car.

>>17542 This one's particularly heart-rending. The 87 year old owner had taken good care of it from new. It's thought that simply due to the guy's car appearing in the newspaper that some niggers (or white niggers, that's what yobs are) saw it as a challenge and took it before burning it to a crisp. There were only 50 of these left.

>>17542 >>17543 Why is that a feels thread Man I'm sad now

>>17546 Good. You should learn that the world is a cruel fucking place that is little more than a giant crab bucket. Second another crab sees you trying to escape, they'll drag you down so far beneath their level you'll be tasting their crabsticks for the next few years. Allow me to direct you fellow anons in a story that thankfully didn't have such a grim ending; Kay Pinnock's MG B. Kay left her I'll be honest I'm transpicious af about this person MG B outside every day with a security camera keeping guard at all times. One day, a pair of men decided to steal it by gently pushing it from behind with their car onto a truck. In broad daylight. With several people watching. They all passed by. Not even a single phone call to the police. Total apathy. It's NPC behaviour at its finest. Not one of them does anything about it. They can see it's being stolen, they just don't care. The police similarly didn't care even after the plate was tracked to an owner. In the end it was vigilante justice that found where the car was being temporarily holed up and delivered it back to its rightful owner. Let me make a few things clear, in case this confuses you at all: The police do not care about your classic car. The general public do not care about your classic car. The only person that will care about your classic car is yourself. View everyone you share the road with that isn't driving a classic themself as an enemy. Pedestrians, drivers, riders, cyclists, even equestrians. They want us off the road. They want us to join them in their self-driving electric soapboxes. They think we're singlehandedly killing the environment. They think we're selfish for not sitting our asses down on a bus with the rest of the cattle. They think we're lazy for not riding a bicycle instead and slowly sterilizing ourselves from the inside out. I say fuck all that. 2030 will be the year they'll try to remove us from the face of the Earth. I say get ready to fight. I know when that day comes I'll hopefully be part of a procession of hundreds, if not thousands riding until our tires shred.

>>17547 Not going to lie, "transpicious" made me do a lol. The rest (and others itt) made me do a 'feels bad, man' face… I have taken steps to prevent it getting stolen, I fitted a hidden 'kill switch' to disconnect the battery, when at work it's parked right outside the doors where I can see it, and at night we 'circle the wagons' (my wife's truck across the end of the drive). For now, that seems to be enough to deter an enthusiastic opportunist joyrider. >ready to fight Fuck yeah I am. I'll defend this old 'bag of shit' (my mate the MOT tester's words) like I'd defend any of my other children. Hopefully I'll be alongside you in that procession, probably still making blue smoke as oil seeps onto the exhaust manifold :)

>>17547 so much anger in your post. But you're wrong, they won't remove old cars from the road for a simple reason: old cars are like old paintings, they retain value and they use it like an asset. So if you can't drive them, they'll lose all their value and as such, they won't ban them. So could you move your conspirationnist face out of the way, that'd be nice.

I still drive my 1988 Audi 80 every week. It can't pass MOT right now because i have no garage and no place dry to weld in new boot floor. And no, i will not pay someone else to do it, because my precious. No pictures available now, because it looks just sad under the snow, and this thread already is sad enough. Inside is carbuerated 1.8, it eats no oil, starts in any temperature on half-crank, and idling it revs so slowly you can mistake it for a tractor. Andit's comfy. Oh, so damn comfy Btw, OP, where do you have to live to avoid rust? Every winter the salty roads get me.

>>17552 Nice. I'm 'oop north' so salt is a concern. It has been patched up underneath a couple of times over the years, and there is some surface rust so that'll have to be treated and re-waxed later this year. Other than that it's surprisingly solid. The arches and the panel below the tailgate are pretty shabby (pic related), but i'm not too worried about them just yet.

>>17551 So much ignorance in your post. You are part of the problem. The reason a genocide like this is allowed to occur so easily is because it is orchestrated completely under the radar so that the average layman will ignore it. Countries around the world pass regulations every week with the intention of making the ownership of old cars more inconvenient. It starts out with simple things like exhaust dB limits or modification regulations. Most people see no issue with that as it is a preventative measure against street racing. But then there are mandatory vehicle inspections, in the beginning they merely checked basic functions such as lights and the horn, but now they will fail you for visible rust, dents, or millimeter rock chips in the windshield. In many northern parts of my country, they will salt the roads every day that the temperature hits below 32F, regardless of whether it will snow or not. Because of this, most cars here have a lifespan of only 10-15 years because they won't pass inspection. In areas where there is no risk of snow, they will impose emissions tests to take older cars off of the road. >they wont remove old cars from the road for a a simple reason: old cars are like old paintings Government legislation doesn't give a fuck about any cultural value of a car. Tell me why you still see >50 year old cars in the UK getting crushed after they were used for banger racing when they failed MOT. If it doesn't fit into their agenda of a modern "progressive" city, then it needs to be eradicated in their eyes. >they won't ban them They already have in many places. China and certain provinces in India force mandatory scrappage after a vehicle is of a certain age (10-15 years). Paris banned pre-2002 cars from driving within city limits. Cities around the world have already laid out plans to eliminate ICE cars, diesel cars, cars registered before a certain year, or even private cars as a whole by a certain deadline. Our days are numbered, by 2040 the only place where it will be legal to privately own ICE will be in the Gulf States.

>>17554 Yup, it's a slow boil. We are each frogs in an infinitely long pan, and are among the few that know we're on the cusp of being boiled to death. Only problem is we can't escape, and none of the other frogs (aka normies) give a shit. >Government legislation doesn't give a fuck about any cultural value of a car. Tell me why you still see >50 year old cars in the UK getting crushed after they were used for banger racing when they failed MOT. If it doesn't fit into their agenda of a modern "progressive" city, then it needs to be eradicated in their eyes. QFT. I've singled banger racing out multiple times on this board and every time I'm met with apologists - "oh, they were unroadworthy anyway" or "oh, there are thousands of these so why get so upset" and comically miss the point. Yeah, no, fuck off. If it has to exist, the "sport" should be nationally restricted to 15 - 24 year old cars only. Cars at the absolute bottom of their value. Reminder that even a few years ago cars like pic related were still getting trashed at banger events. Imagine surviving The Great Depression, World War 2, the Oil Crisis only to get wrecked by a retard who sees no value in repairing you. The only reason are culture is allowed to be destroyed is because of two things: >1. It's a display of free will and "toxic masculinity" >2. Cars cause pollution so because of that we basically lose any right to have our culture preserved for future generations Governments already stopped opening new roads years ago, and every time they try to build any they're met with a group of useful idiot protestors who bitch about the "destruction" of their green areas. Many roads that could free congestion are often restricted to public service vehicles only and eventually get pedestrianized. Over the past decade I've watched as my city centre has become a square mile of cheap paving slabs. >China and certain provinces in India force mandatory scrappage after a vehicle is of a certain age (10-15 years) Holy fuck, I wasn't even aware of this. Look at this shit! That's borderline totalitarian. Thank fuck it's only China so there's practically nothing of worth (apart from the Shanghai V-Dubs maybe). I'm guessing loads of poor chink families are out of transport, which is exactly what the world governments want as per the UN Agenda Planned-Opolis video. Arguably the worst part is they could now pull that shit off in the West and people would follow like lemmings. You can say they won't but the Scrappage Scheme & Cash for Clunkers a decade ago gave me all the evidence I needed. In 2030 they will try to enact the "Motor Law" as Rush put it in their song Red Barchetta, where they will actively hunt us down. It's hard to think that's not even close to the worst thing that'll happen that year. And though the UK may seem generous by removing the MoT for cars over 30/35 years of age (can't remember, cba to look it up), I am fairly sure this is a con so that when someone inevitably wrecks their classic and a fault is found in said classic that an MoT Test would have caught, this will allow them to impose the stringent regulations they wanted in the first place. Motor racing will be dead, that's for sure. If you wanted to go to Le Mans, the Indy 500, Daytona 500 etc. then do so in the next 2 - 5 years. They'll try to pass electric racing as "exciting" but the lack of an engine note means it could never compare. Car shows as we currently know them I think will be largely abolished, only the "top" shows like Pebble Beach and Goodwood could afford to keep going. Your local shows and meets will have no chance. I'll be tremendously upset the day the inevitable comes, but I won't shed a tear. Normalfags had more than their fair share of chances to take action. Worst case scenario I'll simply move to a country where transport is necessary for survival (i.e. Australia).

>>17554 >It starts out with simple things like exhaust dB limits or modification regulations. Most people see no issue with that as it is a preventative measure against street racing. But then there are mandatory vehicle inspections, in the beginning they merely checked basic functions such as lights and the horn, but now they will fail you for visible rust, dents, or millimeter rock chips in the windshield. All the things you mentioned there are already part of the UK MOT test. Loudness limits? Yes. Okay, not a bad thing. Stupid exhausts are stupid anyway. Modification regulations, not so much. As long as there's no sharp pointy bits, go nuts. Rust? If it's severe enough on structural parts, like engine mounts or wishbones - fail. But a rusty or dented body won't prevent a test certificate being issued. Lights, horn etc - those things should work as intended. Windscreen chips in the swept area of the wipers must be repaired, but small chips outside that will pass. A cracked screen is a fail though. >>17555 Nice trips, but… >And though the UK may seem generous by removing the MoT for cars over 30/35 years of age (can't remember, cba to look it up), No. All UK cars over three years old must pass an MOT. You are thinking of the car tax exemption for vehicles built before 1980 (iirc).

>>17557 > All UK cars over three years old must pass an MOT (If they are to be used on public roads) Sage, because no edit function

>>17557 >No. All UK cars over three years old must pass an MOT. You are thinking of the car tax exemption for vehicles built before 1980 Not going to argue, but vehicles built before January 11th 1979 (as of today) no longer require an annual MoT. I assume they still require one if they are rebuilt, lawfully removed from the road, SORNed or otherwise off it for extended periods of time, but the fact of the matter is they don't need the same MoT requirements that newer cars do. This means they will no longer be as typically well kept as a modern car, and in an accident the car and the MoT exemption will be called into fault, rather than the driver (if the driver was even at fault to begin with). http://archive.is/36xvw

>cars have to pass inspection for you to drive them You limey faggots live in a dystopian society. In the states, the free ones at least unless there's something so glaringly wrong with your car that a cop can notice from down the street (ie no brake lights, missing fenders) you can drive. Even if you are driving without a front bumper or something, most cops won't care unless you're breaking some other law.

>>17561 IKR, it's the main reason as to why we have so few cars made before 2000 nowadays. Case in point, pic related is the Sao Penza. Not a Sao Penza, THE Sao Penza. The only one left. Around 1,000 were produced as a badge-engineered South African Mazda 323 and was sold alongside the Kia Pride (which you'll know as the Ford Festiva), and every single one was scrapped, apart from this one which hid in storage for over a decade. Had it not been preserved in this manner, there is no doubt the car would legitimately be extinct. Which is insane for something made in the early 90s.

>>17560 Well, shit, that one got past me. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/mot-changes-20-may-2018 Knowledge +1. Thanks. >>17562 Damn. And it's not in a museum…? There's only 100 left like mine on the UK's roads: https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/volkswagen_golf_4+e

>>17562 The hell? It all depends on average income. Here in Latvia, despite inspection, Audi 80/100s are real common, so are third/fourth Golfs. Can't go a day witout seeing a Passat B4. Nobody wants to buy a new car, because rust is beatable and if it still runs, why scrap it?

>>17561 >Paris banned pre-2002 cars from driving within city limits. I live there you uncultured ameriturd and this is not happening. So I'm gonna discard the rest of your post as fake news. I also know for sure that there are older cars than 2002 rolling in Paris and the rest of France and there's nothing to stop them. Pics related. Don't forget the car lovers that save many old cars around here. Don't be so negative. >Government legislation doesn't give a fuck about any cultural value of a car There are laws here to save cars older than 30 years old so go eat a bag of dicks with your false flags. >>17555 and now this guys believing all that the other guy said as if it was a messiah. Also, if you only discover now that China is a totalitarian State, I've got news for you: it's even worse than you think. >>17561 Yeah I don't like them neither. I don't really get how "securitarian" a State can be to enforce this. But, on the bright side, I never see wicked and beaten up old cars, all cars are pretty much taken care of. >>17564 I know Latvia isn't a third world country, but you can't really compare UK's economy with yours. Also, the UK doesn't have the harsh winters you get.

>>17567 The most recent timestamp on any of those photos is 2014, long before this law was enacted. Yes, you can drive older cars in other regions, but they are banned in the capital where many people have to visit in order to commute to work, visit their families, and to see events/visit attractions. It's only inciting class divide even more to impose a regulation like that. Many other European cities have also followed suit. >There are laws here to save cars older than 30 years old Exemptions until 2020 isn't the equivalent of saving. Unless those cars are exported or put in a museum by then, they will most likely be scrapped. >https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/paris-older-car-ban-classic-cars-now-exempt >I live there you uncultured ameriturd and this is not happening https://www.marketwatch.com/story/in-pollution-crackdown-paris-to-ban-older-model-cars-2016-06-12 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-bans-vehicles-registerd-before-2000-fight-city-air-pollution-france-emission-reducing-a7542921.html https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/12/557494263/enter-title The Parisians who haven't sold/scrapped them yet are driving them illegally, pre-2011 cars are banned next year, all ICE cars banned by 2030. If you wan't to act defeatist, go turn in your car and ride the bus with the rest of the cattle. If you find your spine, you already know what some of your fellow countrymen have started. Some of us here actually strive to enjoy and preserve our freedom, believe it or not.

>>17570 >implying I went outside to take picture Hell even my car is older than 2002. Also >Driving and taking your car into Paris oh no you don't. This is the most stupid thing you can do. You can, but you shoudn't. Most of the Parisians never use their car or don't even have one. See: New-York city. >Exemptions until 2020 isn't the equivalent of saving no. That's not that at all. There are laws that allows you to keep your old car and even pay less on yearly mandatory expenses on them. Classic car owners in France are quite a big lobby. >uk >uk >uk all uk newspapers. Nothing French. Also all your articles are from 2016, but the law hasn't been applied at all. Do you know there is a law that bans all female to dress with trousers in Paris? It's the same case. Existing, but not applied. French law is more complicated than you're willing to admit. Lol using the subway in Paris isn't defeatist. You go faster by subway than car over there. The rest of France? That's where you wanna drive. You've never been to Paris have you? You cannot find any source for your last paragraph I'm sure, huh? Could you stay in your mom's basement next time? Loving cars is one thing. Considering it's the only viable choice in a 10 million inhabitants conurbation is another and it's retarded.

>>17571 Seconding this. Read the law carefully, not the news articles about how bad it is. In Latvia you now have a clusterfuck of not understandable tables of what category of cars has to pay how much road tax and by what measure. Like "registered before 2004" (followed by a massive table) or "Engine displacement on cars registered after 2017"(followeed by another massive table) or the bonus of 300 euros you have to pay just because your engine displacement is above 3.5L. Most of those car categories can be described as "Baaaw, they are putting more tax on this and that to get old cars of the roads", but if you drive an average 90s-early 2000s car with statistical average 1.8 gasoline engine, nothing changes. Though everyone driving SUVs gets fucked. It is funny how law everywhere else seems shit until you get to live there. Like how the fuck can you cross the road in a non-inspection US state without thinking about what kind of wrecks could be driving around.

>>17555 >move to a country where transport is necessary for survival (i.e. Australia). Survival of average Joe is of no relevance for a politician.

>>17578 until riots. Don't mistake the people: as long as they're fed and entertained, it's gonna be ok. The average Joe cannot survive? Not the same story. Don't confuse our love for cars and the total indifference of most politicians with the way of life of the average man. This matters a lot to them, even more in a democracy.

>>17578 Australian police will not knock on your door for having a broken brake light if your door is 1000 kilometers from the nearest police department.

>>17540 I just traded my M1009 CUCV for two diesel rabbits: 80 and 83. Pretty fun little four/five speeds! Working pretty well as a daily besides the wheel bearings going out, but the 50+ mpg is nothing to scoff at. One has some floor rust and fender spots, but the 80 is pretty decent besides some small cancer under the rain guard (lip?) on the roof. Any tips on these bad boys? Also US, fuck emissions and testing

>>17618 Don't even think about any forced induction on them, though get some exhaust wizard to make them sounda little less like tractors. Floor rust is a poison that kills slowly, but surely. Do something about it quick, before you one day fall through the floor.

>>17618 Nice. Tips? I can't add much to what he said >>17620 except maybe buy as many spare parts as you can while you can. And try not to mod it, there's a good lad.

>>17620 I was planning on doing forced for better mpg. I have three pumps, but one has the fuel enrichment snapped off inside and the other won't thread it looks like. I'm thinking of taking the 1.6 from my 83 and swapping it for the 1.5 in the 80. Any reason not too? Also one is a C and the other an L, I can't find any good info really on what that changed. Cheers

>>17628 Does C have a catalysator? It was something fancy at the time. No idea on L.

>>17633 As far as I can tell it's trim levels, but who knows. I've found that the ve is bad on the 80 1.5, so I'm tentatively going to get a 1.9 tdi to put in it. I believe the tranny will work, but if not I'll get the 1.9 TD.

>>17644 Be carefull with 1.9 diesels. About half of them come straight from vans. If you want the thing to tear tour socks off, go for mid-90s 2.5 TDI, which can be ripped from some old Audis. Of you want to stay realistic, visit some junkyards for crashed GTIs.

>>17649 That would be sweet, but I'm trying to keep the o2o 5 speed to save some time and cash. I'm thinking the 1.9 tdi from a jetta at a scrap yard or something.

Yeah I got an W123 300D Mercedes-Benz, wouldn't DD any other car on earth. Live where it never snows and no MOT or even emissions, don't know how eurocucks deal with that shit… cheap taxes, cheap insurance, classy classic style, 30mpg with the 5 speed manual i put in and 15 inch wheels, never left me stranded because I do maintenance, comfy seats, easy to upgrade Alpine bluetooth stereo/amplifier/sub (infotainment is cancer. change my mind), great ride with Bilsteins and 40mm drop springs, etc, etc. Only little problem is no heat/ac but i just wear a jacket when its cold and a shirt when it's hot, I ain't a bitch. >>17547 I'll be with you. Over my damn dead body they'll take/ban my car. It should easy still be running in 2030 haha.

>>17667 >No ac That's normal, ac is a bitch that ofter breaks down for a thousand reasons >No heat Hold on. Is the blower not working? The small radiator loop is that fucked? Air vents full of vomit and dirt? There really are only three things that can be broken there. Emissions is nothing much to worry about, a healthy engine with freshly cleaned air filter, changed oil and fuel filter emits nothing. My Mazda 323 with worn out valve seals emitted 84 euros on last inspection. I had forgotten to change the airfilter too. My dad can get his Fiat Albea to emit goddamn 15 euros in tax. And no, emissions will never be the reason why you are not granted a pass in the inspection. You can get taxed to high heavens (one not working cylinder can blow out a sum of 600 euros), but then it's your fault. Phone connectivity for life, infotainment a shit.

>>17667 no worries, you can drive your old Merc in Europe without problem, as it fits in most Classic car laws. That's how we do, but most Europeans don't care at all about what they drive.

Speaking of classics, i just got myself a bike, a late 80s Minsk 125. It had been standing outside for some time now, under a cover. I heard it had something wrong with the carbuerator, which i belive is because it has no damn airfilter. It has spark however, so the dyno works. The engine turns too. All the cables are rotten to shit, so right now it has no brakes or anything like that. I plan on getting a fresh set of cables and a new set of everything that is made of rubber on it, besdes the wheels. The wheels are fine, they inflated with no leaks, rolled on the trailer with no problems. Anyone has any experience with vintage bikes? What should i do first to get it in shape until summer?

>>17676 I'm no expert, but every time I've gotten and old carb I get all new jets or a new carb entirely. It's such a pain to try and fix an old one that has pathways worn out of spec and the jets not working right. Normally super cheap to do, but check for your specific bike.

>>17679 Ok, i found out that spare carbs for them costs almost nothing. What should i do with the ages-old gas/oil mix in the tank? I think right now the fuel line is clogged with ancient oil. and above it is 100% gasoline. At least it still smells like gasoline. If i remove the tank and just pour it out, how to clean it of any remaining gunk in there?

>>17681 More gasoline to dissolve the varnish.

>>17681 I'd replace the old fuel/oil lines and filters, and like anon said above, fresh gasoline will clean out the residue - cotton buds are good for getting into the spigots. Dispose of the old fuel carefully, (it degrades over time) and try not to set yourself on fire. Wouldn't hurt to clean the oil tank as well, same method. Leave to dry fully before reassembly.

Got a 3-gear engine with everything working, from 1988. Not period correct, but the closest thing i could get from the same manufacturer. Runs great, in fact it ran for a minute so damn great it caught fire.

>>17540 >Be me >Security guard, just lost last car in accident >Need a new car now, insurance checks come in, want something….new, kinda sporty; a fixer-upper. >Craigslist.png >See a 1985 Jaguar XJ-S HE >She looks beautiful, curvy, sporty. European. >Looks up XJ-S specs >V12 Engine, for 4 grand >TooGoodToBeTrue.mov >Go and check her out >Some hick kid owns it; wine red, gray bucket seats, she starts right up…fucker put flowmasters in for exhausts, she sounds pissed, like she wants to come out of her yard prison. To top it off? Round quad headlights, she looks like Christine's British cousin. >Kid talks some bullshit story about going to college, I want her checked out so we find a mechanic >Next Saturday, we go to a mechanic, get her checked out, oil leaks, shit like that. Doesn't seem too bad. Turns out the real reason the kid wants it sold is his black girlfriend who wants a Minicooper. Lol >She needs new tires, turns out hick-boy's been trying to Deja-vu this old Brit around his neighborhood. >FuckIt.bitcoin >Pay for $400 dollar Goodyears >I now own a British Sportscar, I am the midlife crisis my dad never wanted. >less then a month later, shit starts. >The bitch decides not to start one day >OhFuckAlready? >Call up mechanic; mechanic ops out >Fuck >Don't trust just anybody with my car, too many scammers in town to trust. Start going through my own personal list of mechanics; I might not be smart enough to change the oil, but I sure as shit know who I trust to change the oil. >Almost everyone is chicken shit and fucks off as soon as they hear the word "Jaguar"

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>Even call a few places who claim to specialize in British cars, and classic British cars >British Classic Car place cuts me off as soon as I say "Jaguar" >"NOOOPE, SWORE TO CHRIST I'D NEVER TOUCH ONE" >"But you're a British car place you say?" >"DONT MATTER"- click >Half the town's acting like this fucking car climbed into their bed, fucked their sister, raped their mother, shot their dog and didn't even have the god damned common courtesy to make coffee in the morning. >I know V12 engines are bullshit to work on, but fucking hell is it not a combustion engine? >Finally get a place who claims to specialize in Jags, especially older ones. >More desperate than a whore in the second hour of mass. Go to them >Wait 2 fucking months just to hear back from them, get a massive bill from the motherfuckers, 1200 dollars; turns out the Electrical Sending Unit died. >The owner's on the phone worrying about stupid shit. The rugs being old, specific license plate screws, shit like that >"Anon, I put in new license plate screws, that'll be an extra 25 bucks for them" >Two fucking screws that I didn't even ask for >You gotta be shitting me, joker. >Want so badly to grab this Jamie Hyneman looking motherfucker and restring her Alternator belt with his guts. >"I didn't ask for that tho" >"Well you see, we felt that an official Jagua-" >"I just need my car to run, I think it's more important that it runs than it has fancy screws" >He almost immediately backtracks. >"Weeeelll, this time it's on the house. Can you pick her up at 3 tomorrow?" >Go there to pick up glorious Thatcher-mobile. See at least 3 E-Types in the back mechanic shop. >ShouldComeHereAfterClosing.pdf >After many break downs, bullshit fixes and months later (turns out the dumb hick fuck didn't even put the right kind've battery in it so that fucked the alternator), we finally find another mechanic who's not a rapist. >Older guy, business fuck, but respectful. >Had to get a valve head gasket fixed, he owns 2 Jags. we start talking in his office. At this point, I've had this gloriously curvey, expensive and greedy Thatcher-mobile for 1 year now. >Wows him with knowledge I've acquired about the XJ-S during this time. How it was originally meant to replace the E type, how it was hated but went on for 21 years, the prince of darkness Lucas, etc. >Turns out this old dude used to sell E-Types when he was my age, even sold XJ-S' and was a manager at a Jag dealership when he was 35 >Dude's like 64. >IGotRespectForHim.gif >Get bill for ThatcherMobile, jaw fucking drops. >$500 bucks, now keep in mind, for every little thing for this car I've been paying like a fucking grand and up, so seeing this is more relieving than getting rid of a hemorrhoid in July. >Pay the bill, shake the man's hand. Look at my old Jag. She may be a bitch, and no one may want her, she may have cost me a lot, but I'd rather no other car. >Daily drive her still, people think I'm fucking crazy. Maybe I am; but there's no feeling in the world like being behind the wheel of your own car >Well except for pussy maybe

>>17995 sounds like someone needs to learn how to work on their own cars

>>17996 Pretty much lol not gonna bullshit you

>>17995 >>17996 someone also needs to learn how to greentext. Fuck these unnecessary spaces

>>17999 Still not gonna bullshit. I do

>>17669 >There really are only three things that can be broken there. You forgot the heater control valve, vacuum actuated flaps and the control unit itself (if yours has one). The best post-war Mercedes built is a W108 4.5. Most are still on the road today.

>>17995 Here you go, 700+ pages on what to do for these cars.

>>17540 >golf >classic car wut

>>18157 Only the first generation. The second has to wait a decade.

>>17995 …it's the feels, amirite? She's beautiful, but you cannot see her from the drivers seat. >>18157 >>18158 I appreciate that the mk2 doesn't have the appeal or value of its predecessor, but I wanted a car I could enjoy as often as possible, not just to shows and the like once a month or less…

>>17551 So much smarmy faggotry in your post, the government doesn't give a shit about a car's historical or cultural value because a car is nothing but a means of transport in the end just buy a new one brah LOL. So what if it's rare, old, genius, or help define a culture or helped people's lives. People forget that the aesthetic of everyday objects and architecture is just as important as the art that made people realize beauty in their common lives, what good is the Mona Lisa if the world around you lost its soul and is sterelized by plastic and glass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSgy-1tlRZk >>18481 This is society's attitude not just towards cars, but towards anything historic that had a practical purpose. Go to any given recycling plant in any city with a population higher than 10,000, and every single day you'll see luton vans piled 10 feet high with perfectly functional CRT TVs from the '80s and '90s. It's an almost unlimited supply. They could be used for spares by those who use them, form a part of a collection, or be given to a country less fortunate than our own for those who have never experienced television before. But instead the golems just drive them to recycling centres like the NPCs they are, paid merely to drive them away and then pay said centre to dump them off. In spite of the fact they could pull a profit if they made some effort to sell them. Why? Because the owners didn't want them anymore, and taking them away was the job they were paid for. The drivers will then open up the back and carelessly toss each TV down the 15 foot gap between the walkway and receptacle, instantly smashing it in the process. It makes you fucking sick. How a society such as ours have become such collective ingrates and wasteful due to the sudden advances in technology. It needs to be burned to the fucking ground. The oddest part is it appears to be a fetish. Youtube has thousands, if not tens of thousands of videos of people smashing obsolete tech. There's a channel in particular ran by an Australian prick known as "smashthings1" that literally lives for that type of shit. It doesn't take much to then find the men and women that stomp them under their shoes as an extension of some people's affinity with feet. There's one channel where the guy seems to be obsessed with grinding old glass/metal radio tubes to dust underneath his boots. In the comments he boasted that he's destroyed 1,500 on his own accord, and his "friends" have destroyed a further 3,000. Think about that. We've lost FIVE THOUSAND usable radio tubes due to deliberate destruction from only a handful of individuals. The worst one I ever saw was a TV camera from the '60s somebody had managed to get a hold of, of which a collector told him was 1 of only 2 known left to exist and was worth a five-digit figure easily, and the guy filmed himself smashing it to pieces with a golf club. Buildings too - particularly those made in the Victorian era are being destroyed as we speak. Beautiful architecture torn down to make way for culturally-Marixst slabs of glass and stone. This video made me want to punch a brick wall.

>>18485 Not to play devil's advocate but people want to upgrade their current products because they're functionally better (at least supposed to be) and to cut back on the frustration dealt with them, simple as that. They'll probably be some left for those weirdos anyway. >Youtube has thousands, if not tens of thousands of videos of people smashing obsolete tech. It's fun to destroy stuff (until 5 minutes pass or you're infantile) and previous paragraph. >The worst one I ever saw was a TV camera from the '60s somebody had managed to get a hold of, of which a collector told him was 1 of only 2 known left to exist and was worth a five-digit figure easily, and the guy filmed himself smashing it to pieces with a golf club. Now that's just straight-up brainless and nihilistic. >Buildings too - particularly those made in the Victorian era are being destroyed as we speak. Or they keep the exterior untouched but gut the inside and (((modernize))) it with plastic, glass, and stainless steel that the blank white light will reflect off of painting the room an emasculated subtle blue-gray as you sit in your IKEA chair at your IKEA desk i.e. the Reichstag and Battersea the latter being turned into a plaza with an Apple HQ and luxury apartment complex.

>>18488 Oh yeah and the stigma of being seen as a horder for having old things and never throwing them away even if they still work.

>>18481 >people forget Correction,people don't know or realize that.

>>18485 I should not have read this post so early in the morning. Not only are there channels that destroy old shit, but new shit as well, with no reason. Just to be an asshole. >This is society's attitude not just towards cars, but towards anything historic that had a practical purpose. The idiotic ideas to further ruin Noter Dame, by adding "modern" touches to it. I don't understand whats so hard to get that it should just be rebuilt the way it looks, but I guess that's the point. They want to take it and find a way to fuck it up. "make it a homeless shelter" or "make a garden" Yeah how about fuck you. Destroying history should be met with beatings. This isn't the past where burning down the Great Library was making some sort of retarded point. And the Lighthouse of Alexandria was never saved. And while there are people out there set out to destroy don't forget plenty of people also restore cars and other things too. I've been watching a few restore channels where people fix up old things to look new again. From old pistols to a Nintendo. People out there still care. >>18488 Tell me that's a joke. They're not really going to turn it into that, are they?

>>18501 Modern touches? More like a hard juicy slap on the ass, if (((the Vatican))) actually did decide to burn it down for money you know they used Pakis or maghrebis to do the deed. Also I think the fire is a popular myth, retarded rulers (niggers as time progresses) of Egypt kept banning intellectuals until the library wasn't cared for and finally there wasn't much left in it. >plenty of people also restore cars Yeah but more often than not they supe or nig them up instead of restoring them to stock condition, every fucking video of a Volkswagen A1 and A2 platform is slammed and niggered. Also it's not a joke and is worse than I thought, they're redoing the smokestacks and are making the exterior glass, https://batterseapowerstation.co.uk/.

>>18501 >Not only are there channels that destroy old shit, but new shit as well, with no reason. Just to be an asshole. It's funny to them. Early this year RLM, which many of those who browse /tv/ will be familiar with, bought 2,000 vintage Star Wars action figures and immersed them in a large vat of acetone. Nothing of true value was destroyed, but I'd wager it has fucked the second hand market for those figures on an unimaginable scale. >And the Lighthouse of Alexandria was never saved. The crusades were a mistake. The whole of Europe should have just declared war on the bastards instead and split the countries into their empires The Lighthouse stood for hundreds of years growing slowly decrepit, and then they pulled what was left down. There are no traces of it left, and the lighthouse currently masquerading in its place is a fucking joke compared to the original. The closest you can come to it these days is the Citadel of Qaitbay, which uses the Lighthouse's stone in its construction. Problem is that's now a historical landmark in its own right, so you couldn't just demolish it and rearrange the stone back into its original form. The same thing will happen to the Pyramids, I fear. I reckon they have perhaps 100 years left before they too start to fall apart. And instead of rebuilding them to how we remember them or restoring them to their original gold-plated construction, they'll probably dismantle them and build a commemorative smaller pyramid in the area which they once stood, using as much original stone as possible. By far the biggest problem we have are moralfags who believe everything should be left as it were. Otherwise we'd probably have a fully rebuilt Colosseum that could host all sorts of events by now, instead of the giant smashed china cup it currently resembles occasionally putting on a charity concert or whatever every now and then. Because the very idea or notion of "restoration" is sacrilege to them. Thus it's "better" to have something that could collapse at any moment over something that's structurally sound but only has 75% of its original material remaining. It's why rusted shitheaps of cars from the pre-war era that are visibly falling apart by the second sell for digits unthinkable for clean, robust restorations. The only known surviving Toyota Model AA in the world was a Russian spoil of war that was used as a farm mule for 60 - 70 years and had its entire drivetrain replaced with a truck's, including the engine, which had a new grill crudely built where the original used to stand. It will now slowly rust into a pile of brown metallic dust in some museum as nobody dares to restore it.

>>18504 Newsflash; regardless of what you do with a car, whether you daily drive it hard or keep it as a garage queen, eventually you are going to need to restore it. The air will always have some moisture in it. Metal will always have some impurities in it. Rubber will always liquidize. Unless you manage to create a perfect vacuum, you can never leave a car alone else it will, given enough time, become a pile of rust. Even Corvettes will eventually rot - just look at the sorry state of (((Peter Max)))'s collection. These were each mint condition, meticulously hand-restored or low-mileage, unblemished examples depending on the year as part of a VH1 promotion. They were given to a regular Joe under the knowledge that there was no way he'd be able to afford their upkeep, rather than the way I'd have done it - give 2 to 15 lucky people. And then that kike kept rumoring an "art project" (which would have ended up in them having horrendous paintjobs applied to them and cheerleaders constantly stomping on the backseat if you've read the story) that never came to fruition. >And while there are people out there set out to destroy don't forget plenty of people also restore cars and other things too. That's true, but the main point I have is it's far easier to destroy than to build. You go to forums and most restorations that don't have constant cashflow attached to them take about 2 years to complete, provided they don't go on hiatus. There was a story that was well-covered about a guy who found his dad's exact TVR and was doing well with the restoration until his wife divorced him. Had that not happened, he was probably 3 - 6 months away from completing it. 5 years later it's still not done, and his last post was in 2017. Nobody knows what happened to it. With regards to Battersea, it should never have been shut down. Nuclear energy is the only viable future for clean power. Chernobyl and Fukushima only happened due to being the worst-case scenario of a pre-existing worst-case scenario. The former was forcing the power plant to undergo conditions that it would never encounter in the real world on a flawed RBMK design, with backup diesel generators that couldn't supply feedwater quickly enough. Fix any of those three conditions and it would not have happened. But of course, that was enough to propagandize the idea that nuclear power plants are totally unsafe and should all be shut down.

>>18502 >every fucking video of a Volkswagen A1 and A2 platform is slammed and niggered. And you know why? Because people who do not slam and nig their cars don't put videos of them on the internet. And if they do, they do not get nearly as much interest. There are enough Mk2 Golfs left for thrashing for another 20 years. It hurts my soul to see one covered in stickers and made into a rally car, but that is their nature. A cheap, easy to find parts for old car.

>>18485 >describes a fetish that I have in a negative light I f-feel personally attacked ;_; click spoilered mp4 if you want to see some of the extent that the fetish reaches, those cars are herpas that cost like $50 individually or something but they make lovely crunching sounds under those heels Reminds me of when my older sis used to bully me~ no bully pls

>>18508 You deserve bullying

>>18508 Why would do this

>>18502 My limited understanding is the power station is unused right? I feel like they could have done something good with it that doesn't involve modern art being jizzed on it. Something useful maybe. All my knowledge about the thing is the cover of Animals. >>18504 It's pretty depressing. From dust till dust, but an effort should always be made to save things from our past. I've always had a interest in the 7 wonders and the only one left crumbles.

>>18508 What a colossal fucking waste. Hope that uncultured Stacy gets ran the fuck over multiple times when the bitch least expects it. Apparently that's a "sacrifice", meaning someone sent all those cars willingly. How fucking cucked do you need to be to waste that much money on something that could bring so many others joy? I've always been more of a Hot Wheels man myself, but there are people who like those Herpas and Oxfords and other small 1/76 or 1/87 models, and that thundercunt probably destroyed a good $200 worth. >>18512 Now this is interesting, 8 columns from the Temple of Artemis went into the construction of the Hagia Sophia I always swore it was spelt Sofia - guess that's the Mandela Effect for you meaning that's yet another building which has parts of an Ancient Wonder inside. It does amaze me with sadness though that the Pyramids are the last of their kind. How in the space of 1,500 years we went from 7 complete Wonders to the remnants of just 1, to the extent that we don't even know for sure if the Hanging Gardens of Babylon even existed.

>>18488 In my hometown there was an old factory that manufactured gunpowder during the war of northern agression. They turned it into luxury apartments a few years ago.

I take comfort knowing at least the modern world didn't kill 6/7 of them and we still have a lot left in Europe as long as none of that's destroyed too with diversity. I know this far of topic from cars.

What do companies do with their old manufacturing tools, I assume they trash them to make room for new products but I want to make sure.

>>18542 Sell them off, toss them, sometimes stolen. I guess it matters what it is.

>>18542 Give their tools away to their subsidiaries in developing countries. VW tools go from Germany to Spain/Czeckia, then to Africa/South America/India/Asia. There they are used until they fall apart and are scrapped. Fiat gives their tooling to Turkish/Indian/Japanese plants. Not sure about others.

>>18567 >Czeckia Not to insult you, but literally nobody uses that term. Don't let the government force a non-organic name that none of the people like onto your country. Matter of fact, more people use Czechoslovakia than Czechia.