Before you read my answer OP, know that I prefer manual gearboxes and that I drive a manual. Now for your retarded statements: >Not gearboxes, because physical disability should not necessarily be an obstacle to driving. Pointless to anyone with the normal amount of functional limbs though… It is useful if you don't like to drive but have to. Not everyone is a gearhead, you know. >And rain-sensing wipers are good. If they could also automatically turn off the foglights they'd be great. *hits blunt* if wipers on every car could turn off the foglights automatically, that would be awesome. >Automatic headlights? Can you not see how dark it is, or can you not see? <automatic wipers? Can you not see how rainy it is, or can you not see? you sound like that on your first paragraph. Same shit for your foglights. >If you need assistance that much, why not just get the bus? Because the bus is like 400% slower in many cases. The subway and bike could be quicker in big cities though. But then again, even I wouldn't take my car in this case, although I love to drive. >Shit like 'lane assist' or 'self parking' is only necessary if you have fuck all, or close to fuck all hand - eye coordination, spacial awareness and overall ability, in which case you should be on the variety club minibus sharing window spit. That I agree though. Do not drive if you can't, full stop. >We're becoming too reliant on technology imo, and that will make us lazy and inattentive. When facing oncoming vehicle on a 60mph country road, I want that driver to be as awake and aware and in control as I am. Worse: now that the car can do it all by themselves, people do other things while driving (text and drive, anyone?), launching their 3 tons metal box at full speed without attention on public roads.

>>17608 Don't worry, lane assist does not work on country roads. I think it needs painted lines to work. Parking sensors or self parking are getting more important, because with all the SUVs being a thing the driver can not see their own bumper, let alone the bumper of someone else, so it needs assists to not turn every parking lot into a miniature example of Italian parking. Auto headlights are a joke but thankfully are optional, i have not heard of anyone that they are good for anything. Rain-sensing wipers are neat, but it has to adjust to the strenght of rain, not use the same 3 or 4 speeds it has in the switch. Those speeds always are "yeah i will wipe it every 10 seconds" / "*wipe* oh look, a bird *wipe*" / "Ok, it's raining, start the slow, continuous wiping" and "AAAA WATER PANIC PANIC WIPE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN". What do the wipers have to do with foglights though?

>>17613 where I'm at all roads except lost dirt roads have painted lanes so it really depends on where you live. Then again, you shouldn't use your lane assist when outside of a motorway.

>>17613 I used to own a passat B5, with rain sensing wipers. Even back in the 20th century, they were good enough to leave on auto. >What do the wipers have to do with foglights though? Because if you need wipers, you don't need foglights.

Also, my wife has a big SUV type thing, no parking sensors or cameras required. Piss easy to park in a tight spot, because we know what we're doing.

>>17612 I don't like doing my tax returns, so I pay someone competent to do it for me. I was excluding rain sense wipers from my argument, because they are good, but could be better. Foglights… if wipers = on then foglights = off. See last part of >>17616

>>17619 >I don't like to drive, so I pay someone competent to do it for me bruh just grab the uber app. >Foglights… if wipers = on then foglights = off This isn't the case in Europe. You can front fog lights while it rains. Rear fog lights is only when there's heavy fog, which can happen with rain. So maybe you do it like that in the US, but we don't, so that's why you're not getting it. Also if your memory is failing you while you drive you shouldn't drive. Just remember to turn on/off your lights and wipers while you drive when you need it to. As long as there's anything automatic in your car, you just can't OP a thread with "automatic faggotry" as a title without sounding like a hypocritical boomer.

What's the reason behind turning off fog lights while it rains? Is the US again pulling the old joke of "We need this equipment on this car, so now everyone else gets it too"? Foglights are one of top 5 leading reasons why you can fail an inspection here. If one of them does not work, you either have to fix it or remove them all.i removed mine

>>17624 lel same here, front fog lights aren't mandatory so I guess removing them could be a nice way to turn around the law.

>>17623 >>I don't like doing my tax returns, so I pay someone competent to do it for me. >I don't like to drive, so I pay someone competent to do it for me I was replying to "It is useful if you don't like to drive but have to. " >This isn't the case in Europe. You can front fog lights while it rains. I know this. You can, but you shouldn't. >Rear fog lights is only when there's heavy fog, which can happen with rain. Rear foglights are equally dazzling on wet tarmac. >So maybe you do it like that in the US, but we don't, so that's why you're not getting it. Not murican.

>>17627 >I was replying to "It is useful if you don't like to drive but have to." But you don't even like all what you have to do as a driver. >I know this. You can, but you shouldn't no argument there looney >Rear foglights are equally dazzling on wet tarmac. true if there's no or few fog. If the fog is so thick you cannot see 10 meters away AND it rains, just use them. Plus don't tell me the ground is always dry when there's heavy fog, it'll be a blatant lie.

>>17632 >reflective tarmac What the fuck? It's reflective only about 7 days a year here, when it rains in the evening and freezes until next morning. Then until midd-day you get black ice, which is invisble and very reflective at once. If wet road is reflective, what do you do when the snow falls? Get sunglasses?

>>17632 >But you don't even like all what you have to do as a driver. How the interrupted fuck did you arrive at that conclusion?

>>17635 You like automated wipers and fog lights. I'm sure you like even more things that help you drive less.

>>17636 >You like automated wipers and fog lights. I'm sure you like even more things that help you drive less. I like stuff that works as intended. I like the idea of 'rain-sensed automatically cancelling foglights'. The current use of foglights is not working as intended.

Gearboxes aren't hard but they're fucking annoying. Driving in cities is already boring as shit and I want to minimize the work.

>>17637 so also you like cars for regular boring commute with automatic slushboxes that are comfy to drive without thinking much because that bores you, right? You're only telling me that you'd like your cars to do things for you, so seeing your op, you're hypocritical.

Post yfw Supra is a DCT and no six speed available

>>17612 >BEFORE YOU READ AHEAD JUST SO IM ON UR SIDE OP BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHY YOU'RE WRONG FOR THESE REAONS HURR DURRR DURRR XDDD Back to 4chan with you

>>17652 The fuck was that? /pol/ is leaking again?

>>17653 Looks like

>>17648 >so also you like cars for regular boring commute with automatic slushboxes that are comfy to drive without thinking much because that bores you, right? >You're only telling me that you'd like your cars to do things for you, so seeing your op, you're hypocritical. Is english not your first language, or did you buy a fiat (you thick cunt)?

>>17657 English isn't my first language. USA isn't the center of the world.

>>17658 >English isn't my first language. 'Nuff said. >USA isn't the center of the world Still not murican.

A bit off topic, but: honestly sometimes I think the whole manual vs. automatic thing is a bit of a red herring when it comes to quality. A lot of people say that vehicles with a manual are tougher and last longer, quoting fewer parts and simpler repairs. Which is true. But the larger cause is that most vehicles with a manual are going to be 20+ years old, and were simply made to a higher standard. Cars nowadays are built as disposable as everything else in our lives: meant to be thrown out entirely in five or so years. I've driven a 2010's era manual, and it was a piece of shit compared to one from the late 90's. You think anything made today will get up to 300K miles before every fucking component fails? Nah. That said, automatic features in cars in general need to be an all-or-nothing affair. Either literally every vehicle gets networked into a nation-wide computer controlled driverless fleet, or none should be. There are ways around this, but for the most part only a human driver can react and respond to the complete fucking idiocy that is another human driver. We're probably 50 years from developing an AI that can do the same thing, because AI is built on logic and humans are built on insanity.

>>17659 as long as you're an english speaker west of Europe, you're American. The UK isn't worth anything anymore.

>>17638 Just don't drive in cities. Get a bike, use public transport or something.

>>17661 …fair point, but quality isn't as much an issue as control - I want to change gear before or after the corner, not while turning in or accelerating out.

>>17666 This is also a good point, Satan. On my way to work there's a section of road where there's a windy and also fairly steep uphill grade. If you're in an automatic, your car WILL decide to drop down to a lower gear as you slow on the curves, meaning you end up crawling up the hill at about 25mph. Even if you want to go faster, you have little choice. Compare that to a manual where I just slam it into 3rd and fly up there at 45. I've always said it like the following. If you're in an automatic, you're not really driving; you're just suggesting a direction, and the car then drives you there in a way that it sees fit to. I've always felt a severe disconnect between myself and the road when I'm driving an automatic. Driving my old truck is like wearing a wheeled mech suit; I can tell you how fast we're going by touching the gearshift and feeling its position and the engine vibrations.

>>17670 I take nothing but flat straight roads to and from work and always in traffic.Nothing fun about those roads at all. It's understandable to want an automatic if that's the kind of boring driving you're doing. That said I'd much rather have a manual car even if It's going to be a huge pain in the ass in bumper to bumper traffic.

>>17671 >I take nothing but flat straight roads to and from work and always in traffic You either need a new job, or a better schedule. What's stopping you from leaving an hour early to avoid traffic and then do extra work? Or bring your laptop and shitpost using the wifi.

>>17677 The mornings are fine. It's coming home that's the problem. I will say the traffic is getting lighter.My 50 min drive home was cut to 30. Everyone always says its because "the kids all went back to college" Even if I got another job that's not going to fix the roads from being straight, that's how 90% of the roads are here. I'll move one day when I'm ready.

>>17671 for me, driving a stick is my reward for making through the week. My mustang and my mud runner are my fun cars, so they use the method of shifting I find fun, which is a manual. I drive an automatic to work simply because working a clutch in stop and go traffic is obnoxious. I'm not saying it's difficult, but I just don't see the point in putting even more bullshit onto my already bullshit commute. I have nothing against people who don't know how to drive a manual, a lot of people never had anyone around that could teach them ;_; . I don't think a manual transmission is some world shattering difference in the quality of a vehicle, I just think it adds an extra layer of enjoyment to driving a car. It's not "harder", you're just playing with a different ruleset.

>>17682 Pretty much how I look at it too. My DD is nothing special anyway, just a typical 90s sedan.

>>17613 >my 5 passenger crossover is so "big" I need parking sensors errywhere If you need sensors to know where the outside parts of your vehicle are to drive it safely … GTFO of the road and take the goddamn bus

>>17755 If i can't see neither mine nor someone elses bumber, how am i supposed to park without hitting anything? Smaller cars do not have this problem, you just know that your bumper is about where the rear window or boot ends and that's it. And you can clearly see everyone elses bumpers, because you are so much lower. Crossovers have terrible blindspots, a child could be running past behind you and you would have no idea.

>>17756 Easy fix: don't buy a tank.

>>17757 I won't, don't worry. But tell that to the people who buy 5 passenger crossovers.

>>17758 I already do my friend, I try to preach the good word to the masses

>>17758 Oh dude you just tell them they're like crazy future supercars for the masses, and then just pluck the stereo out of the smouldering wreckage embedded in a tree.

The biggest problem with automatic is that retards have less things to keep them busy on the road, and that most automatics aren't fun to drive.