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Tor Discussion Anonymous 06/15/2020 (Mon) 04:52:53 No. 449
So, what's so bad about Tor? >it's a honeypot Not really, I have done extensive research into this and the only people caught on it were dumb fucks who made OpSec mistakes. Plus, the only people championing this point are schizos who use VPN services or set up their own VPN, or even just use their plain ISP-given IP address, all of which are way riskier than using Tor. If you're concerned about onion links being honeypots, then set up your own. It's one of the easiest things in the world to do. >it's slow Fair enough. >a lot of sites block it Yeah, and a lot of sites are fags anyways, a lot of sites are also using ReCatapha and require phone verification and use Cloudflare or AWS. Sites have been against privacy for a long time and are banning VPNs too. >it's operated by sjws&trannies Literally everything is now, including VPN services and ISPs, there is no escape unless you want to fully disconnect from the internet and live in a cabin in the woods, which considering people are still using this site, I don't see happening. Also, the directors are known privacy-advocates. >firefox Firefox is rapidly becoming a shit browser for privacy, yes, Chromium is worse, "Ungoogled" Chromium is still Chrome garbage, same with Brave, alternative Firefox builds are usually outdated, and Opera is blatantly spyware. Meanwhile, Tor usually strips out all the tracking that Firefox tries to push in new releases. >relays and nodes operated by governments Which is more of a reason to get more people using Tor so more people can set up nodes and relays aside from government interference. Not opening this to start an argument or a bash on how bad Tor is or just to simply praise Tor, I want a discussion, because most points about Tor being bad for privacy are easily debunked and usually only used by schizos and I want to ensure my personal privacy.
There are a lot of sites that already exist that I kind of wish they had an onion link to access them. Or, more generally, it'd be nice to have a lot more 'normal' onion-sites. E.g., news sites (that aren't just crypto and drug news), informational sites (like, idk, a darkweb wikipedia about...normal human history instead of just where to get drugs), stuff like that.
>>7412 https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/researchers-use-gpu-fingerprinting-to-track-users-online/ Webgl probably should be disabled if you need javascript on to unbreak a website but I don't think it does anything if you're browsing with javascript off as recommended. There's the possibility of having multiple sessions linked together into a single profile if you regularly change your settings to something nobody else uses and that becomes detectable, although whether that profile can be linked to a real world identity is a separate problem. http://darkzzx4avcsuofgfez5zq75cqc4mprjvfqywo45dfcaxrwqg6qrlfid.onion/post/study-using-stylometry-to-detect-a-vendors-alternate-profiles/ And of course there's other soft methods to take into account.
>>7413 >Webgl probably should be disabled if you need javascript on For sure https://thehackernews.com/2022/01/your-graphics-card-fingerprint-can-be.html >settings to something nobody else uses Guess we should spread the link in >>7412 more often
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Tor marks all my posts with (You) unless I use new identity every post. And at some point I'll use the clearnet version because of how slow Tor is, so it would be pretty easy to determine which posts are mine. Does Tor have any point?
tfw i use opera to buy firecrackers kek
Not a reply since 2022? Damn! Anyway, bumping for a curated list (if possible) of working .onion links, most of the sites I used to visit, like the imperial library of trantor, are dead.
>>12380 This still works. I last checked an hour ago. zqktlwiuavvvqqt4ybvgvi7tyo4hjl5xgfuvpdf6otjiycgwqbym2qad.onion/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
what if we started putting our own cube-sats and use it as exit node from tor ?
>>449 >it's a honeypot do people genuinely think this?
>>450 because people who unironically say things like "SJWs" and "trannies" are incompetent
Has anyone else had issues with Tor Browser for the past few weeks? Both Flatpak desktop and Android mobile have broken for me. >>14011 ^
>>14011 Tor isn't just the codebase, it's also the huge network of nodes that form the backbone of its anonymization and are also a significant attack vector for deanonymization. The entire architecture is built around expensive to maintain entry nodes and legally risky exit nodes. An intelligence service can operate many instances of both.
>>449 bruh, it's well known that nsa controls almost all the exit-nodes, if not all of them. tor is as secure as a wet fucking sieve.
>>450 what would be the point? What would you put in your fork? >it's the exact same project but I'm not a tranny
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>>14817 Well, there's still VPNs, proxies, as well as I2P and the Freenet. >>516 Fuck off with that over a decade-old chart, Doomer I'd rather die trying. >Trannies and SJW are the root cause of the woke cancer. NOPE, you are aiming too damn low. The root cause comes from the same people who own Most about 94-96% of this world's media, both print and broadcast, in one form or another. Pics related.
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>>15488 <The root cause comes from the same "people" who own Most about 94-96% of this world's media, both print and broadcast, >Media You idiot, everything goes back to finance/power. The media serves as nothing more than a reasonable distraction for the wage cattle. The (((catholic church))) and the (((vatican))) as well as all of the other (((secret societies))) and (((banking families))) worship ⚕️saturn🕛 through this kabbalah and qliphothtic black "magic". It has its own gematria and a whole house of demons that reside in it. America as well as most of the world has been in a century long experiment to cultivate this new form of monarchy run by "Jews". All races around the world will be slaves and each "Jew" will have a share of these slaves. All with the help of technology and the goyims aid.
>>15488 >The root cause comes from the same people who own Most about 94-96% of this world's media, both print and broadcast, in one form or another. Oh of course, the capitalist owning class! Well, at least we know what has to be done to them. >>15502 >You idiot, everything goes back to finance/power. Yes. >The media serves as nothing more than a reasonable distraction for the wage cattle. aaaaaand there it goes. How do you not understand the common concept of propaganda? Even schizophrenic social-rejects talk about propaganda and psyops. I'm sincerely impressed.
>>14817 Bruh, if you don't know what you are talking about plz shut the fuck up. Most if not all exit-nodes are done by volunteers all over the world, it is fucking easy to do so even i am running one. Only give your ISP the heads up you are running an exit node with a lot of traffic, so they know what to expect.
>>449 Tor is pretty useless. It still relies on BGP and that can be used to deanonymise you. BGP decides which entry node you use, so if the first and last node are controlled by the same people then you're fucked. Tor is Kaput
Perhaps finally I know someone having a middle-point of view on all this Tor is awesome, and really works so well you can do a lot even outside their recommended (official) Tor Browser >Chromium is worse, "Ungoogled" Chromium is still Chrome garbage I know this is unrelated to tor, but Chromium actually is slowly becoming more respectful than the own Mozilla Firefox. There's a lot of drama around "how Manifest V3 is cancer" when, ok MV3 may be pretty shitty, but it's also true that MV2 is a insecure clusterfuck that allow extensions to change their entire code remotely
>>23371 >Tor is pretty useless. Your argument about BGP and timing attacks, though valid, lacks relevance. You're assuming that there are entities that control enough tor nodes to conduct timing attacks, but overlooking that this doesn't matter. There are only a handfull of Tier 1 providers who control the entirety of the backbone of the internet. Every Tier 1 is tied into the Five Eyes+, and it is almost certain that the same is true for the Regional Tier 1's. The Tier 2's are probably all integrated, too; but even if it is only most of them, this too is irrelevant. The switches that manage the backbone and internet exchange points are made by a few manufacturers, maybe twelve to fifteen. These companies, such as Cisco, Juniper, Arista, Brocade, ZTE, Nokia, and Huawei to name a few, all have key relationships with governments and intellegence agencies around the world. They are integral parts of the government-industrial complex. Tracing packets would be a novice function to perform... Intellegence agenices monitoring tor nodes is irrelevant when they can literally monitor the entirety of the internet worldwide. The rub though is that tor must appear to be secure, at least from the point of view of normal people and from the majority of world governments. Tor is used by the intellegence comminity, too. It is both a secure way to exchange data and a way to monitor who is trading data with who. And while I believe the end-to-end encrytpgion is strong and hasn't been broken yet; but the raw traffic is being stored; and when quantum computing becomes capable, the encryption will be broken and stored data will be dissected. To that end, your drug deals, illicit conversations and trading of, um, whatever it is you're illicitly trading, etc. is not really of interest. I assume everything is logged; but they're only going to action things that have world dominance and world power related significance. Tor is not useless, though. It does what it was designed to do.
>>449 I2p is better OP. The Tor is sluggishly slow, live very slow. I2p is more developed than TOR. When userbase grows the speed of i2p increases, much like freenet, but it is better than that in popularity and serious development. The only problem with it is that there are way less websites on I2p than on TOR.
>>23509 >quantum computing becomes capable, the encryption will be broken and stored data will be dissected The Tor Network just added post-quantum encryption. It just needs to be added to Tor Browser, which will be done in version 15.0 (which should release in September or October).
>>23584 you sure about that? https://archive.fo/jMVrl
>>23717 >The Tor Network just added post-quantum encryption. Maybe this helps going forward but it doesn't do much for the last 25 years or so of the tor network. Not much can be done for those who did sketchy stuff but wait for the inevitable sound of their doors coming off the hinges as their jackbooted house guests show themselves in...
tell us what else is new bro most of us already know this
>>449 Using orbot for a bit now, does the 'kindness' feature depend on how much you use orbot in the first place? >old phone I use as a server, not much more but kindness is active 24h >seldom over 5 users a day >charge my current phone over 8 hours >over 180 users
>>22316 Eh, Their mostly done by large institutions who have to get approval from their gov. I can't prove it directly, but it's kind of a give in that these institutions get away with doing this because they will obviously fully co-operate with any requests from the gov to inspect their traffic, also perfect case scenario for the USA and Europe to have essentially the majority of exit nodes centralized in places you can easily influence. It is what it is, Tors main purpose is enabling dissidents in nato opposing countries, always has been, it's the USAs pet project at the end of the day and they have the most influence over pretty much all the important shit, including the developers. Ultimately, this is irrelevant to 99.9% of users, the only people who should be concerned is anyone opposing the US gov in the US and relying on tor to protect them.
>>449 >So, what's so bad about Tor? There's no use case except for pedos, drug users, and terrorists.
>>24544 >There's no use case except for pedos, drug users, and terrorists. Those may be a sizeable percent of users, but there are other use cases. I've lived in Baghdad, Doha, Dubai, Manama, Moscow, Kiev, Berlin, Nairobi, Entebbe, just to name a few... Avoiding government spying and MITM attacks... Dubai and Hong Kong both banned VPN's and had national firewalls using deep packet inspection to catch VPN users. In Dubai, there is a 2 million AED fine for using a VPN to view banned websites... Tor with a bridge is a much safer option. Reporters, business executives, government contractors, and plenty of others benefit from TOR in instances where a VPN is not a viable solution. Though pedos and drug users are the most prolific, I'm sure...
>>24544 IMO Tor is an essential tool for any sysadmin. First of all just for checking how your endpoints appear to the outside. You can guarantee the exit node won't be on some whitelist or have special forwarding rules. Secondly, spinning up an onion service is incredibly quick and easy. Barely any need for infrastructure or configuration, and lowest maintenance costs... Let's Encrypt can't compare. Need a quick domain? .onion and socks Thirdly, Tor Browser is excellent about nonpersistence, which is useful for debugging website issues.
>>24544 I am a former LEO and now an investigator for a law firm, tor is superior to a standard VPN as any VPN ultimately comes back to a person. The inbound connection can be easily traced back to its origin. Before I learned about tor I was using stacked VPN's or using Azure to spin up a VPC, remoting in to it, and then using a VPN outward. Tor has cut my budget and complexity down a lot. I can simply open Tor browser or Brave and go to work. Instead of spending nearly half an hour setting up a VPC in Azure and installing the software I need, I just use my work PC as is. Nothing more is needed.


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