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Anonymous 04/17/2025 (Thu) 10:35:48 No. 64
I'mma stir the hornet's nest and ask if there's any nu trek you like(d). I'm halfway ashamed to admit that I thought the Star Trek reboot from 2009 was OK -- enjoyable popcorn flick with nice visuals. Clearly not "my" Trek, but fine enough as a modernization of TOS. Of course at that point I didn't know that that was about the highest level of fidelity nu trek would achieve and things would just get worse from there. I made it through the first season of DIS but that was as far as I could take it -- for the rest I just read the reviews to see if it got better (as far as I could tell, it really didn't). For Picard I didn't even watch the whole first season, I only returned for S3 and then only because of the crew. I've enjoyed SNW mostly because it's more like the 2009 movie and omits most of the bullshit in favor of homaging TOS -- it too omits most of what makes Trek Trek and is really derivative, but at least appears more sincere and avoids actively offending the senses by toning down the obligatory interpersonal drama/mystery box plots that plague the rest of it. Not intended as a blind hate/rant thread, by the way. I would if possible also request that the people who screech "bad because woke" could leave their opinions at the door, but it's not like I can make them.
The new movies were alright, not the best. If you weren't a Star Trek fan it was a decent ride and was actually worth the ticket price.
>>65 I thought Into Darkness was rubbish, though. The Wrath of Khan envy was pretty embarrassing and Cumberbatch as surprise Khan was just dumb (even though his performance itself is fine, you can leave playing a villain up to him). I guess Beyond had to be OK, because I don't remember any of it, but at least I don't remember hating any of it either.
>>64 Lower Decks had a couple fun episodes but it's very much a "remember this thing" series. And SNW had a good S1, but I stopped watching S2 almost immediately.
>>67 I never saw Lower Decks, seemed like I wasn't gonna be missing out on much.
I watched one ep of Lower Decks and decided it's not for me. Nothing much to do with the content, I just don't like the hyperactive style where people talk at 200 words per minute. When they had the crossover ep with SNW and suddenly started talking at normal speeds I liked them well enough.
The only decent movie of the Kelvin Timeline was Beyond, and that was just because it was a ripoff of Halo: Combat Evolved. >Ship gets attacked and boarded upon reaching an alien world >Crew evacuates and is scattered all over alien world, with efforts to regroup >Crew discovers dangerous superweapon housed on alien world >Crew destroys what's left of the ship and gets another ship to escape while destroying said superweapon Funny enough, Picard season 3, which some Jewtubers consider the "good" one, is only "good" by ripping off the plot of the Grey Men from Ace Combat, while it still has the same bullshit that made people hate the first two seasons.
>>70 I haven't watched any of the new Trek stuff passed the movies, mostly because they didn't seem all that interesting.
>>71 They aren't. Discovery was a shitshow, and ended a shitshow. Picard is mostly Orange Man Bad. Strange New Worlds, I didn't even bother to try more than two or three episodes, because the Original Series still exists. And Lower Decks is just Rick & Morty with more Star Trek references. And I think there was a Nickelodeon thing called Prodigy. When they said "Press the 'Pew-Pew' button" in the commercials, I was pretty sure it was going to be worse than Star Wars Rebels, so I didn't bother.
>>72 I watched the first ep of Prodigy and was pretty confused because there's literally no Trek in it. Zero. Zilch. It's just a generic YA sci-fi plot about a bunch of ragtag rebel youths. Only at the end do they find a ship that just so happens to be Starfleet. From the outlines it's clear that it does tie more into Trek in later episodes, but the whole thing is also obviously targeted towards kids, so I didn't continue. It may well be an enjoyable show if you're a kid and/or are really nostalgic for VOY, I don't know.
>>73 It's second season is pretty much Voyager S8.
>>74 Voyager was really hit and miss for me. Sometimes that shit was great and other times it was awful. >Hyper-advanced spacefaring dinosaurs from earth. <Are you fucking serious?
>>75 That idea might be out there but the ep itself wasn't bad, what with it being an allegory for challenging dogma and whatnot. If you really want to shit on VOY you can look at things like Threshold, which is still probably the worst thing in old Trek ever (if we ignore Shades of Grey). But then this is not the VOY thread, we could easily have one. :P
>>64 My enjoyment of some parts of nu-trek has been blasted apart by all the absolute garbage since then. I wish some fancy editor would make Picard s3 its own standalone thing, really stick to Kuntzman
>>77 You mean it's not? :P I didn't watch S2 at all and I felt like that didn't matter. The only thing left over is Raffi and she's honestly pretty ignorable. If you edited out her storyline (and maybe some throwaway comments to things that happened in S2 but have no bearing on the story) I think you're pretty much there.
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>>78 True, but I have no editing talent bones in my body. And I guess the real desire is to surgically remove my memories of the worst nutrek stuff rather than fix things into something passable.
>>77 >>78 From what little I bothered to watch of Season 3, it seemed like nothing that happened in previous seasons seemed to matter, other than Raffi being one of the few (or only) character from a previous season to return, and I sure as hell didn't give a shit about her plot. Discovery was like that to an extent. All the 32nd Century episodes after season 3 kind of forget space travel is fucked for everyone but the Discovery, and then in Season 5, there's some throwaway mentioning of a FUCKING HYPERDRIVE that's better than the Warp Drive in every way and doesn't need Dilithium, but it only gets used on one fucking shuttle and the hyperdrive effect doesn't even look that much different from warp/transwarp effects they've already been showing.
>>80 >nothing seemed to matter That's the magic of mystery box writing: you can just be a hack and introduce new jingling keys when you've written yourself into a corner. To this day my own mother seethes at having watched LOST due to how terribly it was wound down.
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i dont mind Prodigy. Its less stupid, despite being a kids show and it decanoized almost all of nutrek, so it's cool in my book.
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>>90 >and it decanoized almost all of nutrek how so?
>>91 It allowed the possibility of alternate realities and timelines beyond the mirror universe. Shit like STD takes place in a separate universe to the old shows. I think Lower Decks did something similar towards it's end.
I really enjoyed LD and SNW. Disco was okay sci-fi, but bad trek. Picard was bad. The movies were meh
>>96 LD turned the Pakleds into Orks which I am oddly okay with.
>>95 Uh, that goes back as far as TNG, right? "Parallels". Plus the Kelvin timeline was explicitly established as separate. If anything it makes it less obvious what the mirror universe is supposed to be; I guess each timeline conveniently has its own (but only one :P) for story purposes.
>>90 >>95 >>99 In addition to Parallels and the Kelvin Timeline, the books have their own continuity and so does STO, even though it has recently tried to mix in Picard plots with their own lore. So now, the Odyssey was around before Romulus exploded even if you played with the first of it's line during the event it premiered in...in the Utopia Planitia yards that were scorched before the start of Picard. But I wouldn't call what Prodigy did a retcon unless/until someone makes a series that completely disregards everything Kurtzman has done.
star trek was always for jewish pedophiles
>>101 That's anything produced by (((Hollywood)))
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>>101 WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE THEN?
>>95 Multiverse is the free getoutofjail card for terrible writing But this is trek so I'll allow it
>>104 Well, the only real alternative is explicitly saying "none of that happened, deal with it" and making new stories, but saying "new timeline" is a cheap way of letting people who actually liked the other stuff pretend it's still just as canon. And crossovers can be fun if you don't overdo it -- stories explicitly centered on multiversal antics should be kept to a minimum, of course, same with time travel. Let's face it, it's not like we can un-see the Kurtzpocalypse even if someone comes along and declares it all non-canon.
I really liked Enterprise but anything after that was pretty bad. Felt like someone was writing the script who had never actually watched trek before in their lives. Even most of the TNG movies are garbage. Action flicks with Star Trek characters.
>>75 I liked that episode. What I like most about Star Trek is how it's willing to take stupid concepts seriously
>An improvised scene that was ultimately cut would have show Human Spock trying chewing gum. According to director Jordan Canning: "We even had this scene — it didn't make it in the cut — but we were having so much fun on set. We were in the bar set and we had a little extra time, remarkably, and Ethan and Rebecca had, like, worked out this thing. They were like, 'Okay, can we just try this where, like, I've got gum, and Spock wants to try the gum and doesn't understand what gum is for?' And I was like, 'Okay, great. Set up the camera...The two of them, they did this whole routine where he tries gum and he's like, 'Oh, maybe I should try nuts with it.' And they're like, 'No, no.' And then he is like, 'How about a pickle?' It's just, I mean, it was so silly and funny. Just finding ways for us to see Spock experiencing the world through Human eyes and the foibles around that." > < > < ....
>>115 It's a sometimes serious topic. If we go poof due to crazy alien tech right now, will the "next" sentient race on earth be able to deduce we were here and were technologically advanced?


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