>uhhh yeah, Ashley, I'm going to spend some time with my girlfriend, Julia >*pic related, Ashley's reaction every single time* >uhhhh wtf why are you turbo-seething? lmao that's weird Is Andrew actually clinically retarded?

Do people like the incest overall in this or is it a meme?

>>8691 Everything is a meme is you're cynical enough

Half of what I say is meaningless But I say it just to reach you, Julia Julia, Julia >>8691 People like the romance, and the taboo of incest adds a spice to it

>>8691 Got in for the edgekino Stayed for the compelling narrative and romance

>>1120381 repost it all?

>>8693 >Burial has flashback sequences where you play as Renee for some of it. >this is the new pic used for switching characters

>>8696 sure, why not each thread is 1000 posts so it'll be here for a while

>>8689 I prefer Renee

How would a prequel game about the parents work? AU non canon endings?

>>8691 I do enjoy some sister fucking myself

>>8699 For me it's Julia Although sometimes the yandere aspect of the Graves females speaks to me

>>8702 >section where you plat as julia >entire half of the screen is just covered in hair

The majority of fans are siblingless autists who have a sexual fetish for incest, that is correct.

>>8703 >play as Julia >getting hunted down by Ashley and Andrew >half of the screen covered by hair >Getting caught and killed locks the siblings into a bad route because of how careless they were >successfully hiding/escaping gets them a good route for her inadvertently stopping them from being caught

>>8704 I have a sister and an incest fetish, it's not that hard if you can dissociate fiction from reality.

>>8704 this just like everyone who likes renee doesnt have a mother

>>8706 Pretty much Besides the game is much more interesting than just incest

>>8704 I have a fetish towards sisters, mothers and daughters. it doesn't mean I want to fuck mine

>>8702 >>8705 Julia Nation won so fucking hard

>>8709 Just like i enjoy hag doujinshi but i don't want to get even near a 35yo woman irl

am i wrong, or can you post coffin porn here as long as you spoiler the images/videos?

>>8712 You're correct

>>8705 I still can't unsee the fact that she has manbrows

i havent played this game, but it annoys me how some "people" freaked out and attacked the dev

>>8715 Same "people" that are the reason you're here, lol

>>8714 But she doesnt have manbrows She has cute bushy eyebrows >>8715 They ended up making the game more famous and dev more money and she even thanked them lmao

>>8713 Me on the bottom

So what would you do if people started gossiping that you fuck your sister?

>>8720 Kill them and eat their body

Just saw Douglas x Ashley porn lmao >>8719 Indeed, that's Me

As degenerate as you guys are, I am glad that this little corner of /vg/ survived the hack. There's something about this story that sticks with you like a brainworm, and it would've been sad to see the hype die.

>Friend B Who was Friend A?

>>8724 The other kid in the cafeteria at Andy's table, I think he became Douchebag.

>>8724 >Friend A >A Ashley

>>8724 The one that wanted to punch Ashley

>Watched threads feature >Even fucking notifies you when there's new replies I am starting to actually like 8chan more than 4chan >>8718 If you've ever met a girl with thick eyebrows, you know they're among the worst looking girls even with a 10/10 facial anatomy.

>>8720 Sue them for libel, as my personal situation is one in which such claims could only be abuse, and I won't have such claims be made about me.

>>8720 If they're already gossiping then there's no reason not to actually do it

>>8728 Watched threads was a feature with 4chanX too >If you've ever met a girl with thick eyebrows, you know they're among the worst looking girls even with a 10/10 facial anatomy. I have experiences with the opposite actually

>>8724 hitman

Whoever makes the next thread should probably copypaste whatever/calg/ generally has in the OP, so the vols don't get asshurt about there not being enough characters.

Late adopter as of this month, I should have been following this shit from the start.

Julia makes me so fucking horny. I want to stretch out her little pussy and drive her crazy

Why did she had to debunk LU being Noelle's kid bros... It woul have been so kino

>>8689 Is this game a meme or is it actually good?

>>8734 Welcome to the club

>>8737 The writing is actually really good

Does he bang the mom?

>>8740 No, the mom is for the dad only

>>8740 no, he only wants Ashley (he bangs her)

>>8737 It's psychologically damaging. It's difficult to grasp that something that calls itself human could 1. behave the way these characters do or 2. be able to write such depravity into characters. Having said that, >>8739 is right; it's effective writing since the goal seems to be causing the player to think "holy shit, everyone here is too dangerous to be kept alive. >>8740 In the ongoing fan mod only.

>>8691 The actual incest in the game, the sex part, is first implied to happen in the future at the late half-way point, then later fully realized as a mean of control at the very end of the dead ends where the brother either kills himself or gives up on getting away from his sister afterwards. but it's only fade-to-black stuff so if you're here for the visuals you're not getting anything harder than kissing on the lips. That being said the entire romance is fucking kino, from the non-stop denial to the genuine desire and want to just be normal while the game hits you with subtle subtexts like the sister popping up in the mindscape related to his girlfriend, showing her omnipresence in his perception and life. The payoff for following the romance to its bittersweet conclusion is tremendous and the emotional peaks and lows are incredible. Reducing this game to "lmao incest game" does it an incredible disservice on account of how good the writing around the characters are, given that the dialogue itself is only ever petty or quippy if they're not actively fighting or making up.

>>8731 More for you then. >>8733 I actually wanted to make this into a proper /calg/ thread but the archives were done for some reason so I just hap-hazardly made this thread for us.

>>8735 **Julia is one of those girls who in the morning prefers slow and gentle cuddlesex. Her favorite position is to be sat in your lap as you move her up and down so she can kiss your face and bury her face in your chest, she loves the feeling of having you wrapped around her. However, at night Julia prefers to be railed pretty hard, going from God is watching to OH GOD!!!. The exact position wouldn't matter to her, so long as you're hitting her sweet spots and she can bury her face in a pillow, she's happy. She's also very susceptible to being teased during sex. Julia may have weird fetishes. But for her, a weird fetish is something like armpit licking, which in my house is vanilla. What she definitely does have is an intense praise kink. A few well placed "good girl"s is enough to break through any resistance to anything she may have. Importantly, Julia has an average (possibly slightly below average) sexual stamina. Meaning she'd get tired somewhat easily. However, because she's such a sweetheart (and because little sisters always want to appear grown) she tries really hard to please her lover. If it's a birthday or special occasion, she would ask you to do whatever you want to her and that she'll do her best to endure, because today is about you. She also enjoys giving blowjobs, but it embarrasses her to admit this. Overall, I believe sex with Julia would be pretty good if you're a strong man, physically and sexually. Julia would essentially let you ravage her while also doing almost whatever you ask.**

>>8745 <Down*

Store link: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2378900/The_Coffin_of_Andy_and_Leyley/ # Guides (Major spoilers; avoid until having played through the game once): >Routes & Subroutes https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3050501797 >Achievements https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3050231198 >Stars https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3053199741 >Complete Episode 2 Walkthrough https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3052417644 # News: >CHAPTER 3A HAS BEEN RELEASED https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2378900?emclan=103582791473416093&emgid=523086940514289223 # Nemlei's previous games: https://mega.nz/file/FSFXURYI#FhEp5w4qMv4w0A0mMfQ4YqLD5TJuve014_-eTNdIbSI Previous thread: >>1085735 (8chan)

>>8738 >>8734 Same. Picked up the game and finished it today. I have a hole in me and a lot of unpacked emotions, so now I'm just morose while listening to (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOjx3k08WVw&list=PLns7vvcEy-jD9o6GzJm33BBLtY5gkq-SR&index=16) on repeat. The deadest of dead-ends ending really got to me and I'm not sure if it was because of the sheer beauty in the execution, the culimination of the relationship with all of its inevitabilities or if it is the act of recursive storytelling that is the most beautiful part of it.

>>8746 God, I want to make her feel so good. I want to sink my hands into her torso and hold her down and just go fucking crazy inside her. I want to smell and taste and touch her whole body until she can't think of anything else but me >>8748 Are you guys /calg/ now?

>>8737 There's not much gameplay but it's a fucking hell of a story to slowly unravel, and that's worth the time imo. I want to see more of it already and it's only been a couple days since I picked it up.

>>8745 you really dont think girls like lilly collins or emilia clarke are hot?

>>8749 It's one of those games where if I didn't have a thread to come and immediately talk about it after playing, I think I'd go slowly insane from turning it over in my head so much. It really gets into your brain.

>>8737 Easily game of the year for me for the story alone. The themes and topics of the story aside, the sheer quality of the writing around the characters are fucking superb and the different endings and introspection scenes where we delve into their psychés is some of the most engaging shit I've played in years. (Psychonauts 1 comes to mind) Who could have guessed that having the player rummage through a character's memories and see stuff from their different perspectives could make one so invested so fast as compared to watching characters being stupid from a narrator's perspective.

>>8737 It's trully one of the best stories from the modern age, and its not even finished. Im pleasantly surprised.

>>8745 You could maybe ask in the meta thread if Mark or one of the vols could edit it to have the usual stuff, if you or someone else manages to find it.

>>8750 We are /calg/. Your thread will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

>>8752 Those can hardly be considered thick eyebrows. Actually, have you ACTUALLY seen a girl with thick eyebrows. Like proper brick of a brow?

>>8753 Yeah. I've replayed the deadest of dead ending like 6 times now and it still gets to me. The doormat got pushed so far he no longer considers living at the very basic level worth it, and the sister's most primal fear is living in a world without the one person who "gets" her. She loves being alive, but it's outclassed by her desire to not be alone, so she will reluctantly give you one single final compromise, because her brother isn't happy. He never was, not since the apartment. And it's the most important compromise she has ever made in her entire life, because it's the last one she'll make. And that's romantic.

>>8755 far too many games refuse to take on anything that isn't hyper normie friendly and as cringe as the dialogue can be sometimes, the underlying narrative is compelling Granted, decay is a bit retarded at times but I feel like that's leaning more into how reality almost never makes sense where fiction has to or it jars the reader

>>8755 This is a passion project. If you've just gotten into it, you probably don't know that Nemlei made games for free for years. Coffin was her mostly stumbling into several million dollars out of nowhere.

>>8737 I think this game is best enjoyed like Katawa Shoujo, where you go in looking for sexy crippled girls and it turns out to be an amazing ride. It's a fun, edgy incest simulator, go play it.

>>8761 by the lord that woman has earned it. It's unfortunate that the game is delayed by her rubbing herself raw between every scene she draws, but if that is what it takes to get MORE of this, I'm all for it.

>>8759 What floor were they on, he might cushion her fall

>>8736 >Andrew: My parents are fucked up >LU: ...

>>8764 8th floor, but the ending shows them both together until the end, one massive un-untangleable blob, having to be buried together as they always wanted.

Is Nemlei the best current indie writer? I know that the bar isn't high nor is Coffin a flawless story, but the way it manages to tell a convincing dark romance mixed with horror in a manner that isn't pretentious, but in fact reinforces the humanity of its cast is hard, if not impossible to find anywhere else in the scene currently. The game has no rights to be this good of a narrative.

>>8766 Grim. I hate Renee for doing this to her children, no matter which ending. Fuck.

How lively have threads here been? Is it like the /calg/ we're used to?

>>8769 Its surprisingly lively.

>>8769 It's lively now, but pretty clearly much slower than post episode 3 /calg/

>>8769 Livelier than I was expecting No, but I don't mean that as an insult. It's not the same as /calg/, but it's pleasant. It's the only non-/calg/ discussion place I've enjoyed

>>8772 It's different, but that might not be a bad thing at all. In general, the reduced traffic compared with 4chan might foster a far comfier community.

>>8767 I find Toby better at writing an intriguing story. But there's every possibility he's going to completely drop the ball with Chapter 3 and 4.

>>8768 It is what it is, makes me wonder what the Renee modder is cooking with his Graveyard production. I just need more of this in my life now.

>>8775 Honestly, as much as I appreciate and respect the right people have to do whatever they please, the Renee mod is kinda bothersome because it betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what Coffin is about. It betrays a harem vn mindset in which hunting for waifus is the point and center of it all, while the story we actually have is one of violent codependency. The relationship between Ashley and Andrew is central to the point that its absence destroys any hope of a coherent narrative.

>>8775 God I love that smug face

>>8776 >kinda bothersome They're a bunch of cockbrains.

>>8778 Yes, and also that if the game had sole MC it would be Ashley, not Andrew. While Nemlei clearly caught far more than her target audience, this still is a femromance story.

>>8776 >>8778 I get that sentiment, lord knows the romancekino we got served by Namlee is probably the most emotionally impacting thing I'll have the pleasure to experience all year. I'm just mostly morbidly curious about what some of the parents sympathizer will cook and if they can even hope to rival the nonsense we got with the brother and the sister. I will reserve judgements for the mod until I see the actual execution though, because at the end of the day I just need more coffin content in my life now that I've gotten that initial hit.

>>8776 I believe a Renee x Andrew codependent story can be done well, but it also requires a lot of change of circumstance in order for it to really work well. I think working from the angle of Renee being betrayed by Doug after selling Ashley out would be a good way of having Renee be, at least emotionally, dependent on Andrew, and Andrew would be dependent on Renee due to being the one who sticks out her neck for him the most. The toxic part could come from Renee getting desperate for her *ahem* "Baby boy" to not leave her behind too, causing her to resort to sexual favors to keep him around. Andrew could also be somewhat mistrusting of Renee due to her selling out Ashley, fearing that she may sell Andrew out too to save her bacon(which is something she does do in canon). Thoughts?

I can spot Juliafags here but atleast there are no cuckposters or femoids.

>>8782 The women probably just flew back to twitter and tumblr, while the cuckposters aren't smart enough to even know of the existence of altchans.

>>8776 >the Renee mod is kinda bothersome I just don't get it, like I get the mom fetish, but it doesn't work in this story at all

>>8779 >if the game had sole MC it would be Ashley, not Andrew I'd argue against that, considering that Decay is much more focused in Andrew rather than Ashley. Ashley might be the MC of Burial thought, in fact I think that's going to be the main difference between the routes

>>8784 >but it doesn't work in this story at all to be fair, it was a lot more plausible before decay dropped and made renee out to be a completely irredeemable piece of shit

>>8784 Like I said, it seems to rise from the mistaken idea that Andrew is the actual MC and central "normal man" being dragged into the madness. That this is like any other jap vn.

>>8758 Julia's eyebrows aren't abnormally thick, they are just thicker than Ashley's.

>>8788 They're the thickest in the game

What could have been.

>>8781 Not a fan of your immediate pitch. For sure a parent-offspring codependancy story could be made, and it would have to deviate a lot from the established relationship given the parents sole trait of unbreakable faithfulness and the siblings abandonment being the root of their dependancy. The story would also have to change on a fundamental level, could be something as simple as removing both the sister and the father, but it could also be something silly like Ashley being sent to boarding school and the father following her to make sure she's safe leaving the mother and son behind. A tertiary scenario where the daughter and father is murdered by the water company before the story starts is also on the table. The toxic part could more easily be introduced by Renee suffering from the exact same condition her daughter has, where there will be a single person (available) that gets her and that can offer her comfort now that nobody else is available without it going coombrain. Could be interesting to see Renee being the one trying to keep up a facade of normalcy as she was the one who instilled that very trait in Andrew in the first place, this fighting her need for comfort and vaildation on a basic non-sexual level. Renee superimposing her husband on her son while trying to convince herself that's a really really bad idea could be a different way to go about it that is equally toxic, but ultimately carrying the incest undertones adequately. The issue here of course being how the source of conflict would have to stem from either Renee acting up or Andrew refusing to be smothered or controlled or lied to, but I do not have the creativity needed to keep that going for 3 episodes straight if at all. My inability to envision this is why I'm sorta hyped for exactly what the parent-apologists are cooking up. That and my love for the art in the official style, which more of can only be a good thing.

>>8702 >sucks at sucking Hard pass.

>>8769 The femcels are slowly coming in a drip-feeding manner, everything is going as planned (there is no plan)

>>8785 The story at large is Ashley's, even when Andrew gets focus, he is a foil for Ashley, but not the Protagonist at all

>>8776 >while the story we actually have is one of violent codependency I haven't played this Renee mod, but if there was a route which had Andrew basically replace Ashley with his mom, it would operate on the idea that their relationship is just as self-destructive as his with Ashley. But I think Nemlei made her point pretty clear. There is no way in hell Andrew would ever consider siding with his mother after what she did to them.

>>8744 good post

>>8769 Slower than /calg/ burning through 800 posts in 2 hours Faster than coffin threads in here used to be

>>8792 Co-dependent single moms can easily be as toxic and damaging to their sons as Ashley is for Andrew. Particularly when they get older and draw lines that the the parent is used to walking over all the time.

>>8796 to be honest it does seem every woman wants to fuck him

>>8801 Only Ashley, and that's debatable

>>8801 Yeah, if it wasn't for his crippling mental problems he would be a proper Chad. Andy is the definition of a failed normie.

>>8767 I don't remember any other game that had writing this good to be honest, even AAA. Maybe Alan Wake

>>8795 That may be true for episode one and two, but in episode three Andrew definitely takes the wheel, and you play most of the game as him, reading his thoughts, finding out his secrets. Of course Ashley still is a fundamental part of his life, but you see her from his POV

>>8800 parents refusing to respect boundaries set by their own adult children vexes me, so I can see where you're coming from. The most important part to me at least for the mod is that the sexual bits should be far- far off of the table. Half the conflict should stem from tangled emotions, projection of supressed emotions and frustration. The moment you introduce sex it muddles it by reducing it to smut if not done tastefully I fear. It's why the EP2 dream sequence was so shocking, and that was only implied as a future issue. In EP3 this has directly fatal consequences as a fallout.

>>8802 >Ashley >Julia >Nina >302 That's like more than half of the girls that show up in the game >>8793 I can guide her through it

>>8804 For me, its Coffin and pic related

>>8808 I actually thought of Max Payne right after i clicked post.

>>8807 >302 Woman wanted you gone within you talking to her once. She tried to nail you for sure, but it involved a nailgun and not her girlhole. >Julia Good on her to eventually figuring out that the butterflies were actually anxiety in disguise due to Andrew being fundamentally broken and not love. >Nina bro, she was like 6-8 and they held hands like twice. >Ashley Ashley didn't even want sex, she just wanted another tool in her belt to keep away hussies and to expand her control. The act itself was just suffering to her, but worth it to be "close" to her brother. Even Andrew comments on how that one needs unpacking in reference to her thinking taking pleasure from sex would make one a whore by default. Also the whole bit about her raking you over the back with her nails as a way to not be the only one in intense pain and Andrew loving her enough to understand this but hating her enough as to not care about it.

>>8794 >that image Yeeep, welcome back /calg/

>>8796 >victim of ashley I think you can still make a case for that. With the understanding that "victim blaming" can absolutely be done with him. And Ashley wanting Andrew more is pretty arguable given the extent that her obsession with her brother is her defining characteristic. Game won't even let us have a route where Ashley kills him (or at least, not yet).

>>8810 >She tried to nail you for sure, but it involved a nailgun and not her girlhole. I might not be remembering quite right but wasn't it basically confirmed that was just Andrew telling a lie?

So when's the game finished finished? I assume there's one last big update left after this one?

>>8810 >The act itself was just suffering to her, but worth it to be "close" to her brother I hope that in one route at least Andrew will find out how to make that bitch wet.

>>8814 It'll probably take 8-12 months for Decay chapter 4 and then another year for full Burial.

>>8814 Decay's not even done yet. And there's another entire branch to be explored with Burial. We're looking at two more updates minimum.

>>8805 >>8800 >>8797 >>8792 Wouldn't the easiest solution be to kill Douglas off? Its obvious Renee is obsessed with her husband and is the only one she truly cares about. If say, Ashley accidentally kills her father, Renee's world would collapse imminently. Hell, lets bring in the Grandparents too, with Douglas gone the Grandfather essentially can control Renee. Ashley gets sent to a boarding school/mentally ward and Andrew gets pushed into becoming a lawyer. Renee is now trapped under the constant threat of having Andrew taken away by CPS and being financially dependent on the Grandparents. Andrew is what's left of Douglas and considering she isn't the most mentally stable, the only way to get Douglas back would be to groom Andrew into becoming her new husband. Or have a demon switch out Andrew's soul with that of her late husbands

>>8810 I think Ashley's sexuality is largely unexplored on purpose due to her still being very childish, which is one of the things holding Andrew back from really pursuing her. The one time she was willing to get intimate with him, Andrew pushed her away(due to nerves and the fact that the feelings for his sister and the boner it comes with were still fresh in his mind), which probably left Ashley with some long standing insecurities born of a misunderstanding during puberty.

>>8814 At least two, one for the second part for Decay, and another one for Burial. But it's likely that Burial will need two parts as well, so I'd say the whole game should be complete in about three years give or take.

>>8815 She probably has been at one point or another, she just hides behind the leyley mask to not feel anything

Sometimes it really does feel like I saw a completely different game than everyone else. Andy was always the one that made the moves on her. She never initiated anything. And when they both experienced the dream, she reacted the way all girls do; tease and poke and push and pretend she was into it to provoke a reaction. And yet everyone else sees her reaction and proclaims "OMG she's into it quick generate 6,000 fanarts of her being insantiably/insanely horny for him GOGOGO!!!!!"

>>8810 >Good on her to eventually figuring out that the butterflies were actually anxiety in disguise due to Andrew being fundamentally broken and not love. I mean, yeah. And that's based. But this is a dark romance game written by a woman, Andrew is a big dicked handsome psycho that can have any woman but is obsessed by the female self insert >>8814 2 big updates left, maybe 3. This year the Decay route will be completed and next year Burial, which might have 2 parts like Decay too

>>8812 Speaking of which, i like to think about the symbolism of the branches depending of Ashley killing Andrew in the vision or not. Because if she does, Ashley indirectly kills Andrew, either by >Breaking his spirit (Andy ending) >Pushing him to the brim and killing himself (Splat ending) >Making him become hollow (S&S) >>8814 Not sure. It's not know if burial is as big as decay to need 2 parts, and speculation its pointing at some unlockable final path once you collect all the stars.

>>8780 >I get that sentiment, lord knows the romancekino we got served by Namlee is probably the most emotionally impacting thing I'll have the pleasure to experience all year. It's not about which pairing is better, it's about the Renee fanmod maker/s basically not understanding Renee as a character and instead replacing it with their own headcanon of her. It's literally Tumblr tier fanfic.

>>8759 SV-fag is that you?

>>8822 Goth girl appeal, that's all. People saw the design and simply assumed she was the initiator.

>>8822 Wtf, weren't they arguing how to deal with their parents at that time? Why would he grab her ass?

>>8820 I seriously hope burial gets released complete in one go, I don't want to wait like right now

>>8824 I wanna know what the "Andy wins" ending would be? Is it even possible for Andy to win?

>>8813 In the EP3 flashback episode when Andrew has his portal-flashbacks they have a CG of the hand reaching for the nailgun with blood filling the corner.

>>8830 CHADrew always wins

>>8819 >probably left Ashley with some long standing insecurities She does seem to think Andrew finds her unattractive, so yeah probably. >>8821 I can't imagine either of them getting much space for private time in that apartment, and Andrew was already peeking through the keyhole at her now and then when she was changing. Hearing her taking care of business through the wall/door would have driven the poor boy mad a few years earlier than scheduled.

>>8829 If the first part of Burial has a finished route I wouldn't mind a two part release. S&S was so kino I can chew on that while I wait for the cliffhanger route

>>8830 In burial, it will be the opposite of the Leyley wins end, Andy gets totally unhinged and keeps dragging Ashley to do more killings for the funsies (Not sacrificing for the demon)

>>8819 Genuinely highly plausible. I know the writed answered this to a degree in her Q & A but I don't have the response at hand. She's a turbovirgin filled with pride and extreme insecurity and anxiety. I should specify that Ashley actually does want sex with andrew, but it has nothing to do with the act itself or any sort of pleasure derived from it. She states in the deadest ending that she thought it would fix her insecurities towards other hussies but andrew turned it into a crass joke about fucking it out of her never going to work. >>8823 The writer confirming that Andrew was rocking schmeat took me by surprise, but it shouldn't have. >>8825 I have only seen one video trailer, so I can't say either way. but I hope it turns out better than what we fear it might. >>8826 Probably not, I picked up the game like 4 days ago and just "beat" all the routes today. I'm still just feeling sad and listening to the OST.

>>8830 >"flowers andy! we'll use them to cross this gap!" Pic is what's actually happening when they have their "visions".

>>8830 Ashley becomes a meek housewife that gives him SEX and doesn't leave the house. Also he becomes a lawyer.

This is like the most active thread on the board. How many of the og /calg/ posters came here?

>>8823 God I need a floozygf

>>8836 >I'm still just feeling sad and listening to the OST. https://youtu.be/KKedfOBRmyA

>>8839 TCOAAL has honestly an extremely alluring aura that no other game has. It has a very good-looking and memorable artstyle, the characters are well written but also snarky enough to be brought up and memed, the game has enough content to feeding everything. Shitposting, discussions, coomers, artists and others as such. I will bet on anything that at least someone checked out if there was a coffin thread in the catalogues. This game just makes you wanna engage with it in any matter of form albeit of the topic at hand. Its fucking alluring and there isn't anything that I can think of that has an analogy to it.

>>8842 I wonder how Nemlei feels about all of this. After decades of being a small content creator, the hit of suddenly becoming a millionare thanks to a one-time gamejank project must have been shocking.

>>8813 There is a vision showing what happened with the 302 lady, at no point she tried to seduce Andrew and his head was so full worrying about Ashley that he wouldn't have cared about it even if she had tried.

>>8830 If Andy was supposed to win anywhere, it would for him to get a clean slate and his entire family just cut off, unable to interfere with him. He's following his mother's footsteps of simply aspiring to keep up appearances as he has no single trait, want or desire. Bro probably never had a single minute to himself trying to figure out what he actually want from life or who he is, because every waking moment was forcibly dedicated to his sister, his parents, his responsebilities and essentially being the grown up. The singular desire we've gotten from him is the desire to escape by his lonesome, and to be intuitively understood by someone, roughly anyone, but that is a very common desire not exclusive to our not-protagonist. We barely scratched the surface in Deadest end, but Ashley genuinely only realized that her brother never was happy at all for their entire misadventure up until the moment he no longer wanted to live. A happy end for Andrew would require Ashley to forcibly bury her feelings for Andrew and her own desires as they're actively preventing him from being happy, which I'm certain is going to backfire in the worst ways. Thinking about it, that might just be what the entire burial route will be about, Ashley trying to forcibly un-ashley herself because she'll try to lean hard into the whole love thing where your duty is to make the person you love happy and she's dealt a bad hand where the person she loves chronically hates her for previous misdeeds. Julia touched on the topic in a way, saying that Andrew never once talked about himself in her presence, only every catering to Julia's needs and demands if any, which was nice at first but it started to grate on her as the facade slipped away and she realized he was hollow inside. I think a true-true happy end would require both the siblings to grow up in their respective ways and become functioning adults, Ashley needs to curb her insecurities and let Andew be free to find himself, the core issue being that this would be antithetical to her very being as a character. Andrew on the other hand would need to actually fill the gaping hole in his missing childhood by figuroing out what he actually needs as a person, and not as a caretaker, a problemsolver or a guardian. When the source of conflict is the flaws of the characters themselves, then the conflict can only ever be solved by having the characters identify and work towards overcoming said flaws.

>>8841 https://youtu.be/wOEld9xzphY?list=PLns7vvcEy-jDZYiWrJsFDT59-Z21cYsHM Remember to set it to 0.75 playback for that final scene vibe. :'(

>>8834 When you put it like that, it does sound better for us and the discussion

>>8845 Am I the only one who thinks that at first the best ending is going to have Andrew and Ashley spend some time apart(at Ashley's behest, wanting to free Andrew), only for him sometime later come back to Ashley in a "If you love something set it free, if it comes back it's yours forever" type situation? In the end, both could still do a wincest while being somewhat healthier people(nothing is going to forgive their previous misdeeds however, but that's okay because it never really mattered to begin with).

>>8844 >>8831 Ah ok. I remember the popular theory being that Andrew lied about the nail gun given it never moved. And people seemed to think that theory was confirmed or at least reinforced by Andrew describing the killing as being about "not leaving witnesses" in Chapter 2. But it seems Nemlei confirmed it really was how Andrew described things. Bit of a shame because it did make for a neat twist/theory.

>>8848 Considering you're proposing my exact solution I don't think you're the only one. >Ashley needs to curb her insecurities and let Andew be free to find himself

Any possible ending to this is better than the time travel bullshit /v/ posters were babbling about a few days ago. I want a happy ending for the siblings, but I don't want them to just undo all of their development and the consequences of their actions for the sake of "tehee not they didn't killed anyone".

Wow it stinks of cuckchan here in now.

>>8845 >When the source of conflict is the flaws of the characters themselves, then the conflict can only ever be solved by having the characters identify and work towards overcoming said flaws. Which seems damn near impossible for these two broken people, especially when they're together. Depressing takeaway: sometimes you can't fix what's been broken. It's like that forever, now.

>>8841 >>8846 Love both of these. Oldfairytales makes me want to be in love and take on the whole world.

Shots & Such is a happy enough ending for me

>>8851 >the consequences of their actions Anon, when you consider the world they're living in, there is no repentance there. They ARE in hell. Let the world burn but at least let these two have a bit of cover

>>8853 Jup. But the more I think of this, the more I'm convincing myself this will be the crux of the burial route, where they play pretend that nothing is wrong. It's the one plausible gateway to where the siblings can actually try to accomodate the other sibling by supressing themselves and their own desires. The core conflict I think if I follow this logic, would be that it's super stressfull to pretend something is different than what it is, so we'll have multiple breakdowns and people fundamentally misunderstanding what it means to love someone, especially if you hate them for how they are.

>>8856 I don't disagree, and my words don't come from a desire to turn the story into a morality play. Is just that time travel bullshit is really fucking lame.

>>8858 >Is just that time travel bullshit is really fucking lame. Who the fuck even brings time travel in this shit? Its legitimately the most retarded trope you can think of.

>>8859 Consider yourself lucky you weren't in that thread. It was legit the most baffling, braindead idea and people were supporting it.

>>8851 My idea for letting the Graves siblings off the hook is though a sort of "everyone they killed were truly repugnant pieces of shit, parents included" type situation, so the authorities stop giving a shit and let the live in peace or something. The game is flippant enough to warrant that type of outcome.

>>8857 To clarify for the interested; Ashly would need to learn that Andrew is super-unhappy and isn't just playing it up to get a rise out of her, leading to her pretending to be OK with him not being jammed up against her 24/7, allowing him to grow in her absence. Andrew on the other hand would have to pretend to genuinely love ashley's clingyness and fake loving the act of catering to her every whim. One dead end that could be cool in this regard is if they pull a Don Quixote where Andrew and Ashley switch places by the end of this exercise, Ashley resenting Andrew for his played-up servility and how it smothers her, with Andrew's entire existence being contingent on him digging his teeth into Ashley, both of them suffering for it. Bonus points if Ashley decides its time they both should die together rather than living on in perpetual misery.

>>8860 For time travel to work you need to set up and structure the entire narrative and story plan to make that singular point of time travel be right. That's why even the best and most talented of story writers struggle to write good time travel stories, they're fucking complicated as shit and 99% of the time ruin the entire story they were included in.

>>8860 Please tell me you weren't taking my shit post seriously.

>>8861 All they need to do is expose the fake quarantine to live as heroes.

>>8861 That seems too convenient though. Better that they get off through sheer incompetence from the investigators and the player has to deal with the fact that the MCs are actual pieces of shit

>>8864 I am stupid and autistic enough to fall for it, I'll give you that.

>>8865 >>8862 >Andrew and Ashley switch places by the end of this exercise, Ashley resenting Andrew for his played-up servility and how it smothers her, with Andrew's entire existence being contingent on him digging his teeth into Ashley, both of them suffering for it. Now that'd be a fun reversal, Ashley finally trying to grow up only for a broken Andrew to start dragging her back down. She might come to resent Leyley the way Andrew resents Andy, which would be damned interesting to see from her perspective.

>>8865 One small issue, Mr Organs have his fingers in the media, in the law and in multiple other organizations, some of which seemingly imports hitmen at their leisure. People trying to debunk massive conspiracies are often found at the bottom of the ocean, found with acute lead poisoning or with lethal levels of anemia given their blood being all over the floor and the furniture. Oh, and their good name and repute is often tarnished and smeared up and down the entire public perception as foreplay.

>>8862 Battered up Ashley is so cute

>>8868 I think it would work magnificently as a dead-end story, or as a "what if" vision that comes with delusions.

>>8853 They can do it, WITH THE POWER OF LOOOOVE!! >>8851 But yeah, not time travel bullshit.

>>8857 So someone DID reanimate "Loveit?" for Coffin!

>>8848 >Am I the only one who thinks that at first the best ending is going to have Andrew and Ashley spend some time apart(at Ashley's behest, wanting to free Andrew), only for him sometime later come back to Ashley in a "If you love something set it free, if it comes back it's yours forever" type situation? Maybe the "selfish" ending would be reffering to the opposite of this?

>>8869 I was joking, Andrew already called out how stupid trying to do anything about it would be when you snoop around the demon's room. I think the the most likely thing involving the Surgeon would be an ending were we work together with him. Living soulless husks must be a dream come true for the man so a deal where he gets the bodies filled with working organs, ??? get souls and the siblings get paid by both would be a pretty sweet ending.

>>8874 >selfish ending Let's hope it's just not more of Ashley and Andrew locking each other in the cuck shed

>>8875 I havent considered your suggestion for a route before but by the lord it sounds plausible if not downright likely. It all makes sense, it seems downright perfect. Literally everyone wins, except the people Ashley keeps murdering. I'll have to keep it in the back of my head for months now.

>>8874 I still have seen no source about those three endings The only thing I know is that Burial and Decay are set to have two real endings each.

>>8878 Do we assume that the two "real" endings of Decay are the Route A ones, coming off of Cliffhanger?

>time travel bad! Just wait until Nemlei releases the multiverse >b-but the devlogs! She lied!

>>8875 Holy shit, this makes so much sense. Even more because apparently Andrew becomes a psycho in Burial

>>8881 >apparently Andrew becomes a psycho in Burial Do you have a screencap of the sauce?

>>8875 I'm pretty sure they can't get a happy ending where they are still working with demons

>>8814 Coca Cola will get it done when she get's it done. >>8838 There should be a Grandpa wins ending. >>8839 We already liked this game and /calg/ gave us enough posters to dominate. Maybe the next thread actually being a proper /calg/ thread will get us some more posters, so we can further dominate. >>8843 She stumbled across the obvious fact that most people hate VNs and hit paydirt. She probably wishes she had a time machine.

Literally me on the right

>>8882 In contrast with his decay counterpart, Andrew is deeply unnatached from the violence in this route, taking a more aloof, playful, and collected attitude all along. Those mere instances in the episode 2 in coomparision from what we already seen from 3A give me the impression that Andrew will grow more violent down this route.

>>8882 Later he's joking around with his parents skulls

>tfw it's going to take two years before we get Burial and actually get some proper Ashley character development It's over.

>>8886 I wouldn't mind seeing Andrew go off the deep end and just embracing the serial killer lifestyle. Maybe Burial will be the true Chaddrew route.

Yeah I'm thinking CoffinGODS own this cakejew shithole

>>8888 I think we may be getting Ashley character development in Decay Part Deux. Depending on how Ashley treats Andrew and vice-versa, we may be looking at the two finally opening up about how they truly feel. Of course things can go sour just as quickly if you want it to, there are bound to be some nasty dead ends in Episode 4.

>>8888 just wait until nemlei announces a hidden true route (only if you collect all the stars) and it's as long as both routes combined.

>>8883 The two are full-blown villains, the demons winning doesn't lock them out of a happy end at all. Unlikely to happen on decay with how antagonistic ??? is towards Andrew but who knows what will happen on burial.

>>8893 >the demons winning doesn't lock them out of a happy end at all. I mean, the game literally tells you trusting demons is bad and nothing good can come out of it

>>8890 The Cakelord will somehow come out on top in the end. He always does, from personal experience.

>>8883 This, I was just thinking that that doesn't sound much different from the bad end for Andy, being put back in the box whenever he's not being useful to Ashley while she goes off to steal souls. He wouldn't be content with being partners in crime, I think, not so long as she's leading the way. He'll never get out of that rut in that scenario, and she'll only further degenerate as a person. Truly that'd be a bad end for everybody involved, so it should happen in at least one timeline.

>>8891 That's definitely true. I would not be surprised if Nemlei just went full batshit and made Part 2 just as long as this update. But I'm honestly really sold on the idea that Decay explores Andrew's hang-ups more. Because Burial has a really nice setup, especially after the changes this update made to Chapter 2, where its Ashley that has to get over her insecurities since Andrew already trusts her and is all in. >No. But trust the trinket anyway. >that disclaimer when you choose the "incest" vision >putting the green bunny back in the cage All of it is centered around finally picking at what's going on in her deranged head. If Burial immediately starts with an Ashley-sided flashback then we're in for kino. And this isn't even mentioning Andrew getting the demon mark in Burial. Which I feel is a consequence of Ashley blabbing to the demon offhandedly that Andrew's soul belongs to her.

>>8892 >second pic lmao

>>8885 My Julie would never pierce her nipples

>>8890 I believe this is one of the few fandoms that decided to mostly migrate to the same place. Shame that Nemlei probably won't visit this place if it ends up being permanent.

>>8900 I want to visit nemleis pussy

>>8899 You're not wrong

>>8897 >Andrew's soul belongs to me HOLY SHIT GOOD CATCH!!! Considering the same exact thing happened during the "Bitch in a box" ending, I think you might be onto something anon.

>>8892 >Ashley giving her daughter the hussy treatment that's too good

It's like their behavior flipped

>>8892 There was a joke image posted on /v/ that suggested their child would basically be Renee reincarnated. Shame I didn't save it.

>>8906 >Renee Name Meaning Jumbo Fridge Magnet Pink The name Renee means "reborn" or "born again

>>8907 >>Renee Name Meaning Jumbo Fridge Magnet Pink i did not wrote that, the fuck

>>8905 Chaddrew has had enough.

>>8907 Thanks >>8908 This site has strange filters

>>8905 Bravo Coca Cola.

>>8908 The filters here are weird. I lost my sides over this one >>1085826

What was Jumbo Fridge Magnet Pink's problem?

>>8910 >This site has strange filters I'm not sure what Acid was thinking with some of his wordfilters.

>Jumbo Fridge Magnet Pink >has green eyes What did Coca-Cola mean by this?

>>8912 >andy and leyley join the crips

>>8903 >>8897 Forgot to add. A lot of stuff that happened in Decay also informs us about how Burial will potentially will play out. How Ashley has absolutely dogshit self-esteem. She truly believes Andrew only sticks with her because she has the trinket which makes her useful. How flustered she gets when it comes to sexual intimacy and how it conflicts with her idea that it's just another way to get Andrew to stick with her. Which brings us to the incest vision in Burial. If we take these issues into account and the nature of how demon visions work, I think the incest vision is actually a subconscious personal warning for Ashley.

I believe the purpose of the filters is to discourage 4chan speak.

>>8918 How is c h i l d or reenay 4chan speak

>>8919 child is what triggers it?

>>8920 i thought child was gang of niggers

>>8918 You think they're going to change that now that /our/ homeland is kill?

>>8912 >they teach the gang members how to do demon summoning rituals Unironically yes, if this isn't one of the endings the story has failed.

>>8921 You should always assume a child is a gang of niggers.

>>8925 naruhodo

>>8926 >Julia >Ashley I guess Andrew has a thing for retards.

>>8918 No. >>8919 It isn't about 4chan, Acid is concerned about CP spammers and overcorrected with ridiculously hilarious wordfilters. I suggest asking on /site/ for him to correct them. >>8921 Gangs of niglets can be just as dangerous as the adult version. Where's Blackshley, by the way?

>>8928 >It isn't about 4chan, Acid is concerned about CP spammers and overcorrected with ridiculously hilarious wordfilters. I suggest asking on /site/ for him to correct them. Weird. How those filters actually stop CP spammers, exactly? The trash they post is mostly pics, right?

>>8929 >>8929 I think is mostly to stop those asking for it

>>8922 >if a website security is so weak that it gets hacked just like that, then clearly nature didn't want it to stay online

>>8930 >I want porn of a gang of niggers god damn it!

is this the /calg/ refuge thread

>>8929 >How those filters actually stop CP spammers, exactly? You'd have to ask Acid, but we do get less CP spammers than other small imageboards, so maybe it works? I would have chosen the word filters differently, personally, but none of us natives really gives much of a fuck. Ask on /site/ if you'd like him to unfuck this particular thing. It's been a slight annoyance to the native posters, but it never inconvenienced us enough to really care. If it's bothering you guys, I'd recommend complaining, since I know you aren't part of that particular problem.

>>8933 Apparently.

yeah this games awesome

>>8922 No, and you shouldn't want that either. If the shutdown ends up permanent (which I doubtt and calg fully moves here it's only right that people here adopts the local culture. Quite frankly it shouldn't be too bad: As a positive, the lower influx makes this place much more comfy than the old boards.

>>1125433 Acid needs to unfuck his shit.

>>8934 Nah it doesn't bother me personally. I just find it weird and funny.

>>8938 I just don't understand

>>8934 I don't really want to complain about it too much, we are after all guests here until 4chan comes back online, if it ever does...

>>8941 Its obvious it will, they already even said it on xitter It will just take a few weeks

>>8942 > 2 more weeks

>>8939 No, Acid does actually need to unfuck his shit. I was mildly annoyed, but not enough to care and you guys showing up is a good enough excuse for him to actually fix his shit. >>8940 >>8941 It's been an annoyance with the natives and it bothers me that it bothers the guests. At the very least, Acid needs to change the wordfilters to something less retarded. >>8942 Hiroyuki will never give up the money. He's the exact same as yogapig.

I’ve never been clear on how aware Andrew is of his own attraction to Ashley. Sometimes it seems like it’s subconscious but other times he seems fully self-aware aware of it and just likes to pretend not to be to keep up appearances.

>>8944 >Hiroyuki will never give up the money Exactly

Also, if Ashley were to get caught by the SCP Foundation what would likely happen to her? Thrown into a containment facility? Let out and monitored for activity by Lord Unknoiwn?

>>8945 He's in denial, as the dreams at the end of Cliffhanger show. Andrew largely just plays pretend and ignores the blatanly suspicious shit he constantly does. The little peeking through keyholes habit put him well beyond any plausible deniablity.

>>8946 How much money 4chan actually makes? Or are we talking about the cash for owning a honeypot?

>>8946 Exactly, indeed. 4chan will never die. For better or for worse . This sit not having visible sage is a crime.

>>8949 There are reports of hiroshimoot making a pretty penny by 4chan passes alone

>>8945 as >>8948 says, he's just in denial. Guy tried hard to be a normie for a long time, which is how the whole Julia thing happened.

>>8952 Do you think Nemlei doubled down on that angle as a reaction to the attempted doxx? While there were seeds from the beginning and she clearly wrote it within a very dark romance frame, the taboo was far more implicit than explicit.

>>8953 >Do you think Nemlei doubled down on that angle as a reaction to the attempted doxx? I 100% think she doubled down on it due all the outrage and doxxing attempts, thus why sometimes episode 3 feels like a smut fanfic

>>8954 In another universe where none of the controversy happened, besides having a far shorter game, I think we would've seen a kiss at best in the very end, with anything beyond that never rising from mere implication.

>>8953 >>8954 eh i wasn't really expecting anything explicit until burial so in that sense maybe she doubled down by including it in decay as well. But my sense now is that this was the plan from the beginning. Or at least the plan post chapter 2, since Nemlei initially planned this as a one-shot before it blew up iirc

>>8953 >>8954 >>8956 I'm a bit unclear on how the dox would have led to her doubling down on the incest

>>8957 Could be true. Another theory of mine is that Decay is the actual, original continuation of Chapter 1, as it's full of payoff for stuff foreshadowed in the very beginning. It would fit with the community reaction at the time: Burial would be the result of her seeing the war withint he fandom itself, and throwing a bone at the taboo side.

>>8959 I'll be honest here, I think Decay just came first because Nemlei is a woman and she was shlicking to toxic Andrew.

>>8945 Even Ashley recognized that Andrew used to pretent those nightmares to sleep with her. The guy is head over heels for that woman.

>>8956 Can't believe I'm saying this, but thank god for the normies trying to cancel this game. When she said in the Q&A that there would be no sex scenes, I thought she caved in to the mob. But instead we got glorious wincest.

>>8958 Doing it out of spite >this is what makes you triggered? lmao you're gonna find out now I know because i would do the same

>>8958 Spite, essentially. Nemlei is an old timey yume with very edgy sensibilities and a catty personality. She was also very aware of how much money the controversy generated. It would be a no brainer to double down and both spite her detractors while making tons of cash from the outrage.

>>8959 >>8960 Could be cope but I think Burial is coming last because it'll include the 'happier' outcome overall >>8962 no explicit 'pornographic' sex scenes was the nuance there I think fade to black type stuff was never off the table

>>8956 Exactly, if there was no outrage this game would be way less incest focused and it would me more like a implication, just see episode 1 and 2

>>8960 >Nemlei is a woman and she was shlicking to toxic Andrew That phonecall scene and Andrew telling Ashley to come back and stay listening to him talk to Julia without even looking at her makes it obvious

>>8720 Sue them for defamation

>>8957 Episode 1 was supposed to be a oneshot with an ending that allowed for continuation. Before episode 2 even released nemlei said it would be 4 episodes (3A+3B as two), of course then she started doing 3A and it turned out to be too big so we got Episode 4 making 5 total episodes (for now). I fully believe she wrote and planned everything before 2 was released and the only difficulties is putting the script into RPGmaker and making the scenes.

>>8967 Got the same feeling when I got to that scene. I bet Nemlei would've preferred to have made a scene of Ashley getting piped by Andrew while on the phone with Julia.

>>8962 Quite frankly, she has no reason to cave: The controversy generated sales to a level unheard of for the type of indie creator she was.

Predictions on the cliffhanger route?

>>8969 Speaking of which I'm kind of curious as to how long the development is taking given that the writing seems to be pretty well progressed I get that it's a lot of CGs to draw and such but the art style is fairly simple RPGmaker seems like a hassle but again its not like it a hugely complicated game >>8972 andy and leyley battle their respective entities, lord unknown and ??? like pokemon

>>8973 well the roaming portions of the game apparently take 10x as much effort compared to the CG only scenes

>>8971 >The controversy generated sales to a level unheard of for the type of indie creator she was. Literally made her a millionaire overnight with a cult following despite making games with virtually 0 producing costs >>8972 Cliffhanger's good ending, the campers will be brought back to life, along with the cops and cultist girl with the guinea pig. Shots and Such mentions your crimes are unpaid for, and only way Graves can atone in any way while also having their own life is freeing all of ???'s captive souls. Ones who have live bodies just come back to life. Renee and Douglas meanwhile, get to explore Realm Inbetween, together, forever. Only them, and no burdens of their past life.

>>8972 It will have a good ending, but not the best ending as that would deflate any hype for Burial. Decay good ending will probably involve both of them dying and/or becoming entities. The best possible outcome will be unlocked by collecting all stars across both routes.

>>8976 I rank my endings based on whether there is wincest or not. No wincest = bad ending

>>8975 >the campers will be brought back to life Well, two of them at least.

>>8942 >>8943 we may be here for longer than anticipated

>>8977 Cliffhanger already has it in spades, and if ascencion as entites is a possible ending, then they might remain together even if they are dead. Want to make it even crazier? If my theory is right and the best possible ending requires the stars of both routes, things we do here might be vital in setting up good outcomes for Burial. Say, Demondrew and Demonley influencing evens there.

>>8979 >that entire third paragraph Bro that's a meme kek.

>>8979 That's probably fake. Yet again, this place is quite comfy and there's far less bait and shitposting going on. The cuck didn't migrated either. It might not be so bad.

>>8980 Collecting all the starts for a special ending seems kinda gimmicky no? Unlocking another bonus feature like the vision room seems more likely

>>8979 Ban our greatest ally's IP and cut back on 50% of janitors. Problem solved.

I'm still wondering about what Lord Unknown is proposing to Andrew in the cliffhanger end. >get rid of his desires for ashley >get rid of inhibitions so he can act out his desires better I feel like the path to hatching his soul is the second choice.

>>8983 Could be, but I am not sure what other bonus feature would fit there. Besides, ??? mentions that a new vision of the future might appear if the stars align, or something on those lines.

Julia rabu

>>8985 The dialogue is worded in a way that allows for both, perhaps indicating that the major route split in Decay 2 will be Andrew fully rejecting Ashley or not. Makes you wonder what the central dilemma will be like in Burial if it ends up focusing on Ashley.

>>8988 >Makes you wonder what the central dilemma will be like in Burial if it ends up focusing on Ashley. It's definitely Ashley "growing" up. I think she's a lost cause in Decay. Leyley's rot can never be removed so the best choice forward is how to work around that personality problem. Since Leyley won't change, it falls on Andrew to do it. Meanwhile, Burial has Andrew already trusting of Ashley so it's going to be Ashley's turn to change.

>>8988 Burial is burying 12 inches of big brother cock down little sister's rabbit hole.

>>8990 That Nemlei canonized Andrew having a porn-sized dick is still the funniest shit she ever did.

>neither of them wants a kid >there will likely never be a big happy family ending Why even live honestly

>>8992 they are young, give it time

>>8979 Fake and gay unless proven otherwise.

>>8992 ngl them joking about eating their own kids was depressing.

>>8992 They only don't want a kid in Shots and Such because Ashley is still Leyley and Andrew doesn't want to fuck it up again. They'll have a family ending in Burial or cliffhanger

>>8996 >They'll have a family ending in Burial or cliffhanger KINO

>>8996 nemlei, plz deliver

What if the star route in the vision chamber will be its own full route instead of just a short vision? Like the true route you see in VNs sometimes.

>>8999 It means that the game will be finished in 2030.

>>9000 I don't care, nothing else gives or will ever again give me this kind of content. If Nemlei has it in her then bring it on, I want this game to be milked for all it's worth.

>>8996 I sure hope so. Would be kind of nice to maybe see them gradually warm up to the idea. >>8995 Yeah, the whole family dynamic kind of is.

>>9002 Trust the plan, it's been foreshadowed. Ashley (not Leyley) will love her inbred kids.

>>9001 I get you, but the longest it takes, the more likely it's that she'll burn out or fumble in the execution, and given how good the story is not sticking the landing would be a tragedy. If she has it in her than go ahead, but feature creep is nevertheless a serious concern.

>>9003 I want at least enough for 2 soccer teams. Get to work Andrew.

>>9003 Crossing my fingers for a wedding and babies ending then, where they resolve to love their kids the way they wish they had been loved.

>>8995 They've already eaten their parents by this point

>>9007 Yeah but their parents were horrible

>>8992 Isn't nemlei a childless woman in her 30s? I don't think Ashley's going to have any either.

>>9009 What if she's a childless woman in her 30s and the game is just her goon material ending with inbreeding and a happy domestic life?

>>8689 feels good to see these threads again

>>9011 Kind of crazy how most of /calg/ ended up in the same place, right?

>>9010 I think she has a fairly satisfactory marriage with her husband if Kit9 is anything to go by. They're just not having kids because no one's having kids these days for one reason or the other. Since she is a woman, this might be cope to validate her decision to not have kids (kind of like how old women try to shame men with "repressed pedo" accusations for trying to marry or date younger women nowadays). And she did make a character give birth to a demon in one of her earlier games iirc. so it might be just some sort of gooner fetish, yeah.

>>9012 well to be fair, pretty much all of 4chan ended up in the same place at this point

Ashley is not afraid of Andy giving up on normalcy, she is bothered by him ruining the Andy and Leley dynamic, Wich makes Ashley wet but conflicted because her safe space is getting shredded

>>9015 I don't think she cares for normalcy at all: Ashley is a massive womanchild without any friends, responsabilities or cares.

I completely missed the game got updated. I don't feel like going back and replaying the whole thing even if it is short, I think I'm just going to wait for the full release whenever that happens

>>8830 >Is it even possible for Andy to win? Yes, their dysfunctional relationship turns slightly more functional as Ashley stops acting on her whims and plays along in public being the good girl the same way Andrew pretends, letting Andy have some semblance of peace. Unironically, Andrew can't live without her, we see in his memories she has hollowed him out in a way that only she can fill now. As much pain as she causes him if she was to disappear he would kill himself rather than live without her. His happiness is directly tied to hers, he's never going to truly be alright but if Ashley showed him the same kind of devotion and patience he showed her it would be enough for him to be happy. She would need to be for him what he hoped Julia would be. In short, she would need to love him the way he loves her. They would both still be broken people but they could make their twisted relationship work so long as they faded in to the background of some remote town where people just assume they are an eloped couple.

>>8810 >Good on her to eventually figuring out that the butterflies were actually anxiety in disguise due to Andrew being fundamentally broken and not love. That felt more like a woman rationalizing breaking up with a guy after the fact. When women detach from a guy they will go back and re-contextualize every gesture he did as possessive, abusive, manipulative, or insufficient to demonize him in their own minds. This type of female behavior is found in women of every race on the planet, it's instinctual and any man who has gone through divorce court knows it well. From the flashbacks we see Andrew genuinely tried to be a good boyfriend the only way he knew how, the reason he went along with all her whims was out of a mix of guilt and that was the only way he knew how to deal with women since that's what both his mother and sister demanded of him. The idea of openly expressing any independent desire has been emotionally beaten out of him since childhood. The first time he shows any real independent desire is when he decided to kill Ashley and then himself. Julia enjoyed him showering her with affection, she wasn't afraid or anxious of him, she was frustrated with the fact that Ashley always came first and that on some level she knew that any affection he showed her was really meant for Ashley. Women go nuclear when they realize they aren't first place for emotional control over their man. Many would rather a guy fuck some other girl who he doesn't love than love some other girl who he doesn't fuck.

>>8689 Shots & such is my favorite decay ending so far

>>8785 >Ashley might be the MC of Burial thought, in fact I think that's going to be the main difference between the routes Nemlei posted that Burial shares none of the locations or events with Decay. So it'll be completely different, no matter the playable character.

>>8830 I'll stick to my guns here - the "good ending" will be Andrew making a deal with ???. His consciousness will be moved back into his body as a kid, before they accidentally killed their childhood friend. Those childish drawings at the endings will be Kid Ashley's visions that she draws out. Thus giving Andrew an opportunity to avoid the game's events ever happening.

>>8835 >Andy gets totally unhinged That already happens in Decay when they murder a family of campers for no reason, and with no excuse to it.

>>9024 I think he means going from a grime soul and becoming an actual tar soul

>>9025 People put too much stock into this, I think. Once ??? reveals that it's basically how one views themselves, its role as some moral measuring device becomes meaningless.

>>9026 On the contrary, it's a great indicator of a character's mental state exactly because it only reflects how they view themselves.

>>9027 Sure, it's a nice narrative device, but Andrew already becomes an unhinged monster in Decay. Having this be repeated in Burial would be boring.

>>9028 Maybe, but i get the feeling burial andrew would gather up the kid's body and give it to ashley to cook for them

Do these threads still permit other Nemgames?

>>9029 See >>9022 - Burial won't share events or locations with Decay.

>>9023 >The good ending will be a complete invalidation of the game's events and of Ashley's development because we MUST have a perfect outcome for everyone. Come on, Anon.

>>9032 Having Andrew save her from becoming twisted in the first place is a necessary component for a "good ending," I'd think. Otherwise what's the best they can achieve? Becoming a more dysfunctional, less happy, less successful version of Renee and Douglas? Not to mention they'll inevitably be hunted down by the authorities, sooner or later.

>>9032 anon, they're completely fucked. They can barely muster up any empathy for each other much less random innocent people.

>>9031 I said would, not that it will. As in if burial andrew was in decay andrew's place

>>9035 Burial Andrew is more playful, relaxed, and in control, also on better terms with Ashley, so I don't think them murdering the campers would even happen.

>>9036 Dude he literally had no problems with eating his parents and playing with their blood, he'd not only do it but would do it with a smile and laugh at ashley's joke about having veal

>>9037 That's because Burial Andrew accepts that they've been horrible people who ruined their lives and sold them to organ harvesters. His malice is directed and controlled.

>>9038 More importantly, Burial Andrew doesn't feel like he was spited by Ashley after practically giving everything to her at that point. Pretty much ride or die.

The YASSification of Ashley.

>>9038 >>9037 And just to be clear - both versions are a horrible human being, just to a different degree, and in different ways. Which is why, when Nemiel posts something along the lines of "there will be an unironic good ending," somehow reversing events in order to prevent them from becoming this broken (especially Ashley) is the only way I can see it happening.

>>8992 Honestly, its a total coin toss on whether or not they'll properly settle down for a family. But it isn't out of the realms of possibility they'll legitimately have kids, especially in either the cliffhanger or burial endings. Although, going against the common notion, I severely doubt they're going to have more than one child. It makes sense as they're fucking related, more inbreeding the higher chance of a defect. It also prevents from doing the same mistake as their parents did with having multiple children while they weren't ready for a single one and it allows them to properly raise it with support instead of neglect. (Also it would stop any incestous thoughts if there were more siblings). As for how the child would turn out... I honestly think a good analogue would be Bok-su from Married in Red.

Would Andrew be more willing to accept his love for Ashley if Lord Unknown put his soul into someone elses body so they arent technically related anymore

>>9042 I don't think they'll be a "and they lived happily together" ending for them. For one, they're too broken as people, and have too much poison for one another, as well. Two, both the authorities and the corporation would haunt them constantly, or be an ever-present Damocles Sword over their heads. And thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, that would be basically copying the Douglas/Renee storyline.

>>9042 > I severely doubt they're going to have more than one child. >It makes sense as they're fucking related, more inbreeding the higher chance of a defect. That's not how it works anon

>>9044 That all makes sense if the story was based in reality, thankfully the game takes place in a flippantly unserious parody world where anything can happen. They're still fixable, the authorities will never be more than a plot device because an ending where they're arrested would just be unsatisfying. They're also already copies of their parents. I would be fucking shocked if Coca Cola doesn't make a happy ending where Andrew and Ashley are together, she knows what people want and this is a romance after all. I actually expect the happy wincest ending to be the "Selfish" ending, the good ending will probably be them having a mostly normal sibling relationship again. I doubt there's going to be any ending where they have kids though.

>>9046 I agree, if the whole spiel about there being a "selfish" ending turns up to be true, it'll probably the one where they somehow manage to create a happy couple together. Though, once again, that reeks of laziness and copying Douglas/Renee. I think the "good" ending will require getting all the stars.

>>9047 It's implied the stars are its own thing though, like how the visions are stand-alone extras. If the star route is that, it would be connected to neither burial and decay, or both.

>>8934 >Come to someone's else place after our home burns to the ground then start demanding change to fit our preferences. Damn, we really are refugees.

>>9044 While we're discussing purely hypotheticals, I think you're straying a bit too far from what we actually see in the source material. While I agree that they harbor hate and toxicity in their relationship, it seems that there might be a path where those feelings can be mended and something have worked it out in the end. Not a total healing but something that can be put together. As for authorities, let alone the "corporation", wouldn't really be a factor? They're hardly a factor in dead ends endings. They can change identities. Its not that hard as it seems unless they find a genetic test that 100% confirms that they're related. The last part lost me. >>9045 Anon, think of copulation as a russian roulette. But instead of 6 chambers you have 19 empty chambers and one loaded airsoft ball. Cousin interbreeding is 10 chambers and one loaded pellet. Siblings interbreeding is just plain russian roulette. Recesive genes will fuck any offspring up and interbreeding side effects can be worsened with age and repetitive births. >But muh ptolemies Despite the claims, there was still fresh blood being introduced to this family tree. Genetic purging did its job and its hardly an example considering they bred like rabbits. Eighteenth Dynasty would've been a better example of sis/bro marriage.

>>9048 >If the star route is that, it would be connected to neither burial and decay, or both. I think both roads will have a way into the "good ending."

>>9050 6 shots. More than enough to kill any hussy that moves.

>>9051 I don't think that would fit though. If either route could lead to a good end, why would the stars need to align? The way I see it, the only way a dream scenario good ending would happen is if something would be fundamentally different.

>>9053 Putting aside collecting the stars, I think in Decay the route where Andy becomes a partner with ??? will open up a potential avenue into a good ending. I don't think ??? would have much of a problem with moving Andy's consciousness back in time, to before Nina's death.

>>9054 >cont. Now that I think about it, Andy going back in time, and putting Ashley inside the box would fix 95% of the problems for the Graves's.

>>9054 LU you mean, ??? is Ashley's demonthingy. Maybe that's possible, but that only solves Andrew's situation. We don't know much about Ashley right now to be honest, the game keeps degrading her as a womanchild, but that might be the narration itself being biased towards Andrew during Decay, which is his route. I would like to speculate but honestly Ashley is too much of a mystery at this point, man I can't wait for Burial.

>>9056 Yeah, I meant LU. Ashley isn't much of a mystery though? She's a socially stunted, barely literate, sociopathic retard with no impulse control. She's been given such a mountain of issues from such an early age that, barring some really huge asspull, like being sexually molested by Douglas, she's simply an evil, insane, thoroughly selfish person.

>>9057 I think that's doing her short. Sure that's what she ended up being, and she was always a little cunt even as a child, but you don't stay like that forever without a good reason. The only scene in episode 3 that gave some insight in this was her breaking her oath, because I think that is a significant event for her. If she's really that stunted she has 10 years of aging to catch up on, which would make for some interesting chatacter development.

>>9058 >I think that's doing her short. She has literally, by the definition of the word, no redeeming qualities.

>>9059 Which is why I think Burial will be very interesting. Ashley has always been Leyley. Bury the Leyley, become the Ashley. Who knows, Ashley might be even worse, but she'll be different.

>>9060 You're trying to find depth in someone who has none. There's no difference between the two. She wears her entire personality on her sleeve.

>>9061 I don't believe that, or rather I don't want to believe that. But we'll have to wait and see. I might indeed be getting my hopes up for nothing.

>>9062 You already have an ending where Ashley gets everything she wants - "_ in the box." It's also the only time her sprite smiles. There's nothing else to explore there.

Man, so much drama just to bone your sister. Things were much simpler back in the day.

>>9063 >>9063 Similarly splat would be Andrew's happy ending then. But that's just no fun.

>>9058 what character development? Where could she possibly go besides having a potentially better relationship with Andrew. Even if a miracle like that happens she's still a little degeneration with no forward thinking or empathy

>>9065 No, "Splat" is just Andrew wanting to die due to the events happening to him. "_ in the box" is what Ashley wanted from Day 1 - a safe place for her and Andy, one where he can't escape from and leave her.

>>9055 Time travel would ruin this plot. The only "happy" ending goes as follows: >Ashley ascends into an N-titty, everything is hinting at this anyway >she lives in her own realm forever and ever >visits Andrew in his dreams to keep nightmares away >he lives life as a depressed normie >occasionally sacrifices someone to her to keep her fed >has to deal with occasional dream teasing and jelly moments from her Andrew years for the human world, Ashley was never meant for it. They need to divorce in a way they're more married than ever before.

>>9068 >Time travel would ruin this plot. It's been hinted at since the very start of the game. Those drawings representing endings are clearly drawn by a child. Nemiel doesn't do anything "just because." Also, it's supposed to be an unironic good ending. What you describe is very bittersweet.

>>9066 Any development really. As everyone keeps saying, she's immature and stunted. That's exactly why there's room to grow. I really think people are underestimating Ashley, probably because they are biased by the Andrew-centric Decay route currently. You can't blame me for hoping for some interesting development after the writing concerning the characters so far has been really good.

>>9069 Tarded post. The drawings are the Leyley garbage drawings and you get them in every ending without time travel. It would turn a great story into absolute trash if introduced, I hope Nemlei isn't as retarded as you. >It's been hinted at since the very start of the game. With what? >Also, it's supposed to be an unironic good ending. It isn't supposed to be anything because it's not a thing, it's just in your head. Also, Nemlei is smart enough not to give an unironic good ending for our heroes because she understands that was never in the cards for them. >What you describe is very bittersweet. Which is the only possible "good" ending for our heroes. >>9070 People tend to ignore a lot about the plot because they speed read and ignore many of the more subtle things, like the guy I replied to above. Ashley actually tried to grow up several times and even had interests in topics and people outside of Andrew until the world took those away.

>>9071 >The developer said there will be an unironic good ending. >Nu-uh you be dump. >With what? How about some reading comprehension and reading the entire thread, rather than injecting yourself? Stay mad.

>>9022 I never said that I thought that Burial would be the same story as Decay but through Ashley's POV, I just think that whatever Burial's routes are they'll have Ashley as the "main character", just as Decay's have Andrew.

>>9019 You know what, based take. She using it as an after-the-fact post-nut absolution as a way to externalize and distance herself from the object of her obsession is a theory I hadn't considered, but it does make a lot of sense. Thanks for reminding me of this behaviour.

>time travel will lead to a good ending! >there will be a happy ending where they have loads of children! Oh god, guess everyone here is from /vg/ and reddit instead of /v/. Shame, thought the comfy discussion could continue without incestfags and morons shitting it up.

>>9019 >the reason he went along with all her whims was out of a mix of guilt and that was the only way he knew how to deal with women Also pitty, since that is all he feels for her (self-described). Probably mixed up with his provider/protector instinct as well.

I think a Disney type ending where everybody lives happily ever after after redeeming themselves would feel very out of place in this story, and "unironic good ending" is such a vague description that could accommodate many different scenarios.

>>9075 >Time Travel >Happily ever after Fucking lol. Pic very much related.

>>9077 On some level, it's normal for people who feel attached to textured and believably-written characters to want the best for them. But, the writing's on the wall, it's simply not possible to fix everything and live happily ever after. Something has to be lost, sacrificed, or accepted for either of them to move on from their past and the events of the game.

A good ending isn't a Disney ending. It's an evil ending where the bad guys - the MCs - win. Reckon it'll be slathered in black comedy.

>>9080 I think a good ending for these 2 would both of them being romantically in love while the world is their plaything and they go around sacrificing souls and doing whatever the fuck they want.

>>9081 >shots and such but without the alcoholism and domestic abuse boring

>>9081 It's going to make people root for these deranged cunts but then Nemlei will do a kick to the nuts where the final victim is going to be Julia. Where they'll apathetically confess their crimes of killing Nina making Julia have a distressing breakdown right before they sacrifice her soul or even worse kill her for meat. It's going to be harrowing, the story won't pull its punches, but the two will get away with it and that's the "good" ending.

>>9082 The demon cheating makes it boring.

>>9083 That's bound to happen anyway since Julia is still a piece on the board, and good writers use their pieces instead of waste them. However, people are already rooting for our heroes, and I don't think Julia has enough weight in the narrative to be the crux of an ending or an emotional gut-punch. It has to be one of our heroes, which is why I think a bittersweet realm-divorce where they stay friends is the only "good" ending possible, outside of jokes and shenanigans, obv.

>>9080 >>9081 >>9079 >>9085 According to Nemlei, there will be a "good ending," a "selfish ending," and an "evil ending."

>>9085 A bittersweet end would unironically be too limpdicked for this series. Maybe having it be one possible ending but that's it. A rollercoaster like this might be able to fit in more subdued moments in between but it either goes all out or does a gag. It's near impossible to entangle the fates of the two without demon fuckery and that's clearly a bad route. "Friends" wont cut it.

>>9066 Oh but I do want what's best for them, meaning a Natural Born Killers type of ending. The cynical way TCOAAL world is represented as comically obnoxious and offensive makes me think that the "good" ending will have nothing to do with the siblings redeeming themselves in the eyes of society, or with a time travel that would erase their personalities and characterization. The "good" ending, as everything else in the game, will have to do with their relationship, and how will they manage to find a way to stop hurting each other.

>>9086 sauce?

4chan allegedly comes back in few days says mod

>>9090 Right... you DO know most of the jannies and moderators have been doxed and we know which board was assigned to whom? The site will be completely unusable, since the retards will double down on being control freaks, all the while not addressing any of the actual issues.

>>9077 SnS without the domestic abuse, hate fucking and slavery to a demon would the most realistic happy ending for those two that wouldn't feel forced.

>>9090 Hopefully the janitorial staff gets harassed off the internet

>>9087 That's a very one-dimensional view. Everyone is invested in the characters, so having a bittersweet ending where they simply can't live together in the same world but still have some contact would be a kino tear-jerker. There is no point in building an emotional connection and layering so many heart strings if you're not going to tug them. >It's near impossible to entangle the fates of the two without demon fuckery and that's clearly a bad route. Why would it be clearly a bad route when everything is pointing to Ashley simply not being meant for the human realm?

>>9092 Nah, Ashley becoming Andrew's personal sleep-paralysis demon would be more interesting and pay off more narrative threads than just a "functional" marriage between them.

>>9089 An old post Nemiel made while she was still using the moniker. I'm not even sure it's still up after she went DFE.

>>9092 >SnS without the domestic abuse I wouldn't mind more domestic abuse in some other route though. Beating Ashley is fun.

The good ending will be where they infiltrate the already corrupt government, get a demon to possess the top honcho's body or whatever, get all charges against them drop and start ritualistic sacrifices of people to feed the demon. Cut to a scene where they're fucking on the bed without any remorse or care.

>>9097 I wouldn't be surprised if the LU route in Decay will end up with Andrew waking up as a kid, immediately before Nina is murdered, and instead puts Ashley inside.

>>9099 Enough with this fanfic reddit theory. Very bad idea.

>>9100 Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it won't happen. Besides, Ashley already got her own "magical ending" via "_ in the box."

>>9101 It won't happen because time travel is generally bad writing unless you write everything around it, and this isn't that kind of story. >Ashley already got her own "magical ending" via "_ in the box." Which was using established logic that doesn't do anything to contradict characterization, themes, or the structural writing of the piece.

>>9098 *dropped

Daily reminder Ashley was born fucked in the head and was a complete unhinged psycho at 7 years old. Renee did not help but this was beyond saving. If you are ever faced with this situation irl you should take Ashley behind the barn.

>>9095 that'd be a really bad end for andrew since ashley would look repulsive

>>9102 >Which was using established logic that doesn't do anything to contradict characterization, themes, or the structural writing of the piece. You're using a lot of words to once again say "I don't like it." We're talking about soul-eating demons from another dimension. Plus, we DO KNOW they have powers related to time, because ??? grants visions of future events. As to adhering to themes - Andrew, in the Decay route, desperately wants to have a chance at a normal life, and snaps when he thinks it's been taken away from him. And blames Ashley for it. So LU would just supply him a "kill two birds with one stone" solution. I have no idea what you mean by "structural writing of the piece."

>>9104 it's not confirmed how fucked leyley was before parent's neglect tho. I'd say leyley just had no empathy from the start

>>9099 Considering that the LU route derives from a full heart, not a broken one, in Nemlei's silly chart, I don't the ending or endings will have Andrew killing Ashley. I think the two main branches will be Andrew managing to tame her or failing to do so, though I don't have a clue by which means he'll attempt to do it so since there's still so much stuff that Nemlei can pull out of her ass, in a good way I mean.

>>9068 That's retarded anon

>>9033 You're correct. But therefore there won't BE an objectively good ending, as these characters are became irredeemable after killing their parents. Not because they killed their parents (shockingly), but because Ashley refused to comprehend how Andrew doing this proved forever his devotion to her. He speaks of this himself at the beginning of chapter 3. "If everything I've done for you so far isn't proof, then nothing will be and I give up." Because Ashley refused to change, Andrew was unable to (having tortured him into subservience decades earlier). And no, Nemleyley won't be doing a "it was all a dream lol" negation of literally everything.

>>9106 Choices, actions, and their consequences are a major theme of the story. What you're suggesting is about on par with the brain tumor vision. >>9109 Nah, it's kino. >>9105 She already is on the inside, this would be more true to form for her.

I want an unambiguously happy ending with sibling romance at any cost and im NOT afraid to admit it

>>9112 It's perfectly normal to want it if you care about the characters at all.

>>9069 >Those drawings representing endings are clearly drawn by a child. Ashley comments in chapter 1 that her drawing skills haven't improved since childhood. That's her drawing NOW. >Nemiel doesn't do anything "just because." What facet of Chekov's Gun was retconning "I know what I'm about" to say "This won't end the way you think it will," then? >Also, it's supposed to be an unironic good ending. I'd have to run up against the post character limit to give proper context of the nature of modern society and the sophistic destruction of objective, external standards, anon. Put simply: "unironically good" DOES NOT MEAN THE SAME THING to every individual in society anymore, and hasn't for a long, long time. Given Nemlei's writing ability with psychologically disturbed characters, why would you ever believe that she intends "good" to mean "ontologically good" and not "what I personally think is good"?

>>9112 >at any cost Deal.

>>9068 >>9111 there's no way that's a "happy" ending for andrew. andrew wouldn't be in love with ashley if he was only seeing her ugly soul

>>9114 >Ashley comments in chapter 1 that her drawing skills haven't improved since childhood. That's her drawing NOW. ...she draws herself after getting killed? Or her gravestone?

>>9117 The thing about the branch/joke endings is that they're not real endings (given that the player can continue playing from a checkpoint), and therefore she can draw them ahead of time as representations of the "visions" she has been given by the trinket.

>>9116 I'm behind there being at least a time travel ending for Andrew, since Ashley already has her "she gets everything she wanted since Day 1" ending, while Andrew's would literally require rewinding events.

>>9119 Or maybe Andrew simply won't ever BE happy, and from the context of a woman's perspective, that isn't required for an "unironically good" ending. You're suggesting what the preeminent modder of the game has implied–that for any actual improvement to the lives of the people involved, the story has to be reset to before it begins. And so that won't be happening, as this woman wouldn't have written it at all if the only way to end it satisfactorily was to negate it entirely. After all, did she throw any loops like that into her previous games?

The only time in my life I have ever seen a time travel ending that didn't ruin everything was Shadow Hearts 2. Any other time it just shitted all over everyone and everything that was shown before.

>>9119 demons just want andrew and ashley to become tar souls and then demons so nemlei would need a lot of mental gymnastics for "demon fixes their problems with time travel so andrew and ashley become clean souls"

>>9114 >What facet of Chekov's Gun was retconning "I know what I'm about" to say "This won't end the way you think it will," then? Don't those exist simultaneously? As in, you as Ashley pick "I know what I'm about" and the omniscient narrators says "This won't end how you think it will"? >>9116 Andrew is not "in love" with Ashley for any reason other than circumstance foisting that upon him. He desperately wishes to be normal, and this is possibly the only way he may ever approach being normal ever again, if only approach. >>9117 >>9118 >>9119 >I need a canonical, diagetic reason for the ending drawings to exist as physical objects, thus I will invent time travel as part of the story and pretend it must happen for parallelism between the routes I'll let you off the hook for one reason. <parallelism is kino >Andrew holds a gun to Ashley's head and asks her if she's Leyley or Ashley mirroring the cleaver scene >mirrored childhood scenes where see Ashley learning to do chores like laundry and cooking >deep-dive into her stages of maturing >etc.

>>9112 An any cost you say?

>>9122 He's just a redditor pushing a retarded theory. Not any better than unironic incestfags.

>>9122 No, I meant time travel in the context of an "Andrew gets what he wants" ending. >makes a deal with LU >wakes up as a kid >kills Ashley instead of Nina >his parents don't give a shit >act the golden child part

>>9123 >Don't those exist simultaneously? The addition changes the tone almost diametrically.