Rollin

My oshi will bestow upon me her colors to reward me for my devotion and love.

>>607460 Sort of. Congratulations, I guess.

Rolling for my wife

sonch

>>607527 >nagi love >mint cute Yes

>>607507 >Geega Man That is a new rrat. >Froot today Please please please >Stream Mouse Please please please please please >Nyan Bad Pink Cat Bad

Amalive btw

if geega hates to be lusted, why so hot?

I didn't have time to watch kson's stuff, but she said in one of her vids that supposedly, vshojo was going to bring in new members to pay them back after she confronted them? lmao, wow, feels bad for the newcomers then, they were just a tool in this ponzi scheme to guilt the members into staying and to use the money they generate from their debuts to then payback kson. my nihongo isn't very good but supposedly that's what she said around the 8min mark in her jp video of her explaining this to her fans: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NK4yfsJY3Yo&pp=ygUEa3Nvbg%3D%3D I'm the threadguy who has been crying and dooming about the new members and their neglect and abuse more than the actual members. I don't even know why I'm so parasocial, maybe because I was a fan of Tori's before and guessed correctly that she'd join? I don't know. But I'm still so sad and distraught for them. I need to go outside and touch grass and take my meds.

>>607663 I'm surprised Tori had fans here, she averaged around 40 viewers, I assume you're from /lig/ or /wvt/. But yeah, I actually feel worse for the undebuted talents, even though the existing talents objectively lost 6-7 figures. At least they had a chance to make it and can pick themselves up, the monster girls never had that.

>>607694 she could bounce off a hundred or so when she was in vnu

>>607663 >vshojo was going to bring in new members to pay them back after she confronted them? C'mon now, if a lawyer can actually verify that, then you can add in a literal ponzi scheme charge on top of charity fraud. At this point there NEEDs to be jail time for the c-suites. Sadly it would take a very long-time for that to happen and that's if the girls even want to escalate it to a criminal investigation in the first place

>>607694 Yea they'll sadly get the official debut buff that even Nova got. But at least can take solace in that other ex-members have been reaching out them and hopefully a collab between them in the near future

>>607711 Never get*

>>607663 it was basically what they were doing all the time. Using merch money to stay alive and keep going for another year. It would not work because they were retard and would waste money in another useless trinket or "program" no one wants or asked for

>>607729 A lot of this stuff was funny as first, but the more that comes out the more irritated I am at how fucking stupid they were. Seems like it would have been a whole lot less effort to actually try to run a legit vtuber company.

>>607705 I might have worded it poorly, but she said (maybe a few days ago or weeks before the video? or at least when she actually was upset about not being paid months ago, not sure on the timeline cus my japanese sucks and the auto translations might be wrong) that when she finally spoke with people from the main branch, they told her that there was 'new girls' joining anytime now and they'll be able to pay them back then and she can't leave now or whistleblow or she'll ruin vshojo and the new girls debuts. That was when she finally decided to leave as she knew the new members wouldn't get paid either and it just felt like vshojo wanted her to welcome the new victims. This was maybe a month ago when this all happened or something? Definitely before the charity robbery as she did mention that was the final nail in the coffin to get her to leave. I don't remember anyone writing about kson's video so I just watched this now. Might be repeating things already talked about.

>>607751 They tried to be cover so bad. Cover is a multi million company they can afford one or two fuck ups, gunrun was a 15M company that fucked up multiple times AND still made some money. The model is clearly profitable but the people involved were extreme retard.

>>607663 That didn't actually happen. It's her theory about what she thinks Gun was doing behind the scenes.

switching topics a bit... I'm still very curious about what happened with zen and ari. Ari loved zen but since the subathon they are so apart and the only time ari showed to the subathon it was so awkward

https://x.com/beribug_/status/1949225373235065271 oh no, she plays CS2

>>607694 You're not entirely wrong in where I came from! I watched whoevers, youtube, twitch, small or big corpa, didn't matter to me. Was on the ex mostly just for vshojo and lig. Came here because 4 was always full of trolls and I just wanted to talk about vtubers without all the trolling. Never really cared for hololive and gravitated more towards twitch vtubers. Knew Tori when she was Maeve in VNU and guessed she was in a while back. >>607769 Ah okay. That makes more sense. I thought it was weird when she started talking about meeting them and the timelines didn't make too much sense?

>>607779 my rrat is that ari knew about mouse's problems with the charity money and zen did mention not knowing about that specifically, so she probably was uhh weirded out, for lack of a better word, with zen cutting off mouse for her zenhera reasons but i don't really care about this high school drama shit lmao, it's funny to make a rrat or two but once that's done the idea just leaves my mind until someone else brings it up here

Feebee live https://www.twitch.tv/feebee https://www.youtube.com/live/5VG2cbzdoY8

>>607825 i just find weird because i watch both and the split was so weird. They don't mention each other anymore it kinda weird me out a bit.

Feebee is live, gonna talk about vshojo

>>607847 i'm tired of this bullshit just post the highlights here for us anon

Cataloging every interaction between every former member and the Monster Girls. PiaPi Followed on Twitter by: -Mouse -Froot -kson -Zen -Mel -Mata -Hestia -Peke -Hotaru Followed on Twitch by: -Mouse -Peke Beri Followed on Twitter by: -Mouse -kson -Zen -Mata -Hestia -Hotaru Followed on Twitch by: -Mata Tori Followed on Twitter by: -Mouse -kson -Zen -Mata -Hestia -Hotaru -Nagi Followed on Twitch by: -Nagi

>>607694 Forgive my numbermonkeysm but since u guys started... The collab had a natural 1.2k ccv. After the raids they hold 1.5k-1.9k Yesterday Tori in her solo stream had 200-350 consistently on her own, even though other ex-vshojos were streaming too. They have the same numbers that NOVA had months ago after the novelty buff wore off. I know what is also directly more important is donos (subs, bits, etc), and about that I don't have data but trust, she will be fine. They will be fine. My only concern is the lack of help from knowledgeable figures (managers and senpais), (Michi helped the NOVA girls for example), because their layout and redeems need work for example. I hope some of the ex-shojos take them under their wing. Anyway, if they put the work in having a roadmap/schedule/consistency now, when it matters the most, as I said before, they will be fine. And yes, take your meds, do exercise, and go touch nature. Improve your health, if not for yourself, for your oshi

>>607875 Yeah, but like you said. Nova had a novelty buff. Which is exactly what the monsters have right now. It will go down

>>607881 I sincerely doubt it will go down much. It will, obviously, but it's not gonna be that big (% wise)

>>607836 Beribug in her chat

Cute model, nice voice. God fucking damn it.

man it just dawned on me how much this mess affected my routine i havent worked out in the entire week (down from 3-4 times per week), my meal plans have been thrown out the window and ive ordered food 3 times this week (i managed to reduce it to twice per month ever since i started properly planning meals) and after peke ended stream i took a "nap" that went from 9am to 4pm

>>607875 Those are terrible numbers for "debut" week. Assuming nothing changes, Beri and Pia will be alright, but Beri may have to get a real job and Pia probably can't quit hers, but Tori is risking falling back into 2view status. They would have to get massive support from the exshojos to make it, if they can even do that, just raiding and the occasional collab won't get them big audiences automatically.

>>607914 I think what pisses me off is all the possibilities of what could have been if they invested the money right

>>607917 i'm lucky my vacations were approved last month. I can't imagine working while thinking about this mess all day. Still, the first days were awful

>>607663 >>607875 I wanted to tag you in my previous message Fml

rollin

>>607920 Pia couldn't quit hers regardless. She's stuck in black company visa hell because it's either work or get deported. Vshojo was supposed to be her visa to freedom

Huh interesting Feebee has a bot that reposts her Youtube comments into Twitch chat.

skimmed through the last thread and didn't see much talk about peke or sonch/henya collab, any interesting news?

>>607959 Peke has great egg technique

Feebee didn't know about monster gen until a few weeks ago

Roll.

>>607959 nothing really new or different... Just that henya lost a Lamborghini

>>607970 I accept.

The logo she is talking about

>>607959 nothing new, she just like all novas got no merch money at all, but otherwise she's still the same old peke we all know and love

Org owes that much money, Feebee never even had that amount in her bank account in her life. Trying to figure out how to deal with it.

>>608008 money to artists involved with Feebee*

Honestly is gunrun still in the US? There is no way this dude is going around like nothing happened.

Feebee has been chewed up and spit out by like four different agencies at this point.

>>608015 I'll be honest with you man, it's very unlikely anything happens to him. Nobody gives a shit about rich business owners fucking over their employees. And before you say something about a deranged fan doing something, there's lots of celebrity drama and that shit never happens.

hey guys I just caught up with everything now since I completely shut off all social media after mousey made that huge announcement since my mental health was extra shitty that week and i knew the incoming tide would be worse. Im in a better mind space now to read everything i misses and it still feels like im in a nightmare bad timeline where everything that could go wrong did. Like seriously we were supposed to have a monster gen AND an idol gen with mint and vshojo fumbled it all? Don't even get me started on the MTD shit I want him and gunrun jailed. Anyway I'll still watch my oshis but now without a proper agency to fund big projects that involve everyone as a group things seem a bit hopeless on looking forward to cool stuff like we used to...I feel bad for nova the most, eh at this point im hoping maybe geex opens up a vtuber branch to save the everyone lol Last thing: I keep seeing tweets from rejected applicants on my fyp and giggling, despite everything I stand by panini's picks 100%

>>608030 Civil and criminal courts are different. You're arguing he's not gonna be criminally charged, and I would disagree. But there's a zero percent chance that his former employees don't eat him alive in civil court

>>608037 All we can do is support the ex-vsj's, idols, and monsters

>>608030 Dude committed at least one federal tax crime and even had the balls to admit to it. There's no way the IRS or FTC will let him walk out of this one. He is rich, yes, but not rich enough.

Fuuuck

>>608037 the worst thing for me was rejecting momo and yuzu... People were still talking about the 2 very recently. This company was managed by a bunch of retards.

>>608041 The former members can potential sue him, but this is a difficult case because in most cases owners are shielded from debts owed by their LLC. The plaintiffs would argue fraud, but that's not a simple question. And there there's the question of whether he actually has any money to pay out - he comes from a rich family, but we don't know his personal net worth. So you have an uncertain and surely expensive legal case, and even if they win they may be unable to collect on their judgment and be left with a legal bill that rivals the money they already lost. I think a civil case is unlikely, and probably inadvisable. A civil settlement? That's possible.

Feebee made everyone in the company friendship bracelets. And she was so happy when she saw gunrun walking around the con wearing it.

>>608073 >owners are shielded from debts owed by their LLC Not in this case, using the charity money was a HUGE mistake.

>>608073 He already admitted to fraud and was caught deleted evidence

>>607920 >1k on collab Harsh reality, the fad is already faded without random viewer spikes from Zen in the future taking pity on them Also obvious by now that the other ex-members could give less of a shit since the majority of interactions you see are the failed gens networking with each other

>>608083 You'll eat your words

>>608083 Yeah it's pretty bleak. I hope the exshojos band together to "save" them but it's not really their responsibility, they have their own huge problems to worry about, and most of them don't even follow them.

>>608075 fuck, my heart

>>607920 But it wasn't a debut. They didn't have the vshojo spotlight that, for example, mata or Michi had. Not even a 0.1% of that. And the numbers of NOVA weren't much big. Much of a bigger problem for them is the money they invested, that could kill the motivation to stream for them I'm hopeful, and not from copium. We will see

>>608079 >>608080 I agree the charity thing is the biggest risk to gunrun, and if there's a sliver of a chance of him facing justice, it's that. But I wouldn't be surprised if he just coughs up the money to make the problem go away and walks away scot-free.

>>608093 This. All the official ex-members were already dealing with irl shit on top of illness, add anti harassment and legal troubles, I wouldn't be surprised if they forget about the unofficial members since they're gonna be burnt out from everything else

>>608103 If gunrun shits out the money he owes and then disappears forever I honestly wouldn't give a shit All I want is every victim to be made whole

Idol gen was supposed to debut at Offkai

>>608103 i wonder if mouse discovered about them stealing her money because the IRS contacted her accountant. You know, he probably put it on her report and the money never was deposited. Meaning the company fucked her hard.

>>608115 He just has to pay out the charity money. It'd be hard to sue him for the money he stole from the members.

>>608103 What pisses me off the most is mtd getting out of this basically unscathed

>>608118 Definitely not originally since they were supposed to come before monsters and the original monster date was in march. But I'm sure one of the times it was delayed to was offkai

>>608122 I can help a bit on that part, I'm peripherally in his social circle and have told basically everyone his misdeeds, donno if it will accomplish anything but maybe he can at least be made persona non grata.

Supposed to debut in March, then delayed to June, then August, latest delay was to September. Tried to come up with ARG leading to debut at Offkai.

>>608118 So thats why they rented out the concert stage! I was so confused why the description seemed to imply something big happening only for it to turn out to be a random michi and kuro panel kek

>>608121 I'm not a lawyer so I won't fact check that But what he has to do and what he needs to do can be different. If he pays the half mil and bails, I will not be ok with it. What he needs to do is pay all of them

>>608092 Ofc, my nigga Chungus have my back

>>608138 That's Tori kek.

>>608125 Ah, this is probably closer to the correct timeline then >>608133

>>608122 I can't imagine him possibly have a face in the vtubing industry every again, at least

Can we bother the legal eagle so he can explain to us what can be done?

>>608132 What the hell lmao, if you ever see him throw a rock at him

>>608122 That fucker really left early on to try and distance himself from the incoming shitstorm

>>608146 You know what they call a lawyer who has to do youtube on the side to stay afloat? A shit lawyer

>>608146 are you confusing him with legal mindset whos claiming to supposedly have the actual contract

>>608083 The majority of people still have no idea about their existence, only the "hardcore" fans are interested in them or watching their streams, plus people are still more interested in watching the core members overlapping with them in the case they reveal more information about what happened to them to the execs responsible for this mess The new members are just sticking among themselves for now, once they collab with their senpais and properly get introduced their views will increase significantly >>607920 Tori's numbers will increase once she finally debut her real model and stop using her chibi potato

Feebee is cute, she sounds a lot like Mint though. That's not necessarily a bad thing but it would make for weird collabs.

>>608083 I mean, mouse literally said she wants to collab with Pia. So that's something

>>608172 What you're talking about is the entire reason people have debuts. If someone finds out a couple months from now that they were going to join VShojo that means absolute dick, because it's already old news. Their only hope is networking and leeching. I wouldn't call it totally impossible and I'm supporting them, I even subbed to Beri, but it's an uphill battle unless something big changes.

>>608164 no, legal eagle. He participated in two of mouse an connor auction

>>608145 Yea this. MTD's public reputation is nearly as fucked as Gunrun's(and it can tank even further for MTD once all the NDAs are completely null and void and the girls have free reign to expose everything) so he pretty much can't ever show his mug for anything vtuber related.

Henry live Tori live

>>608193 I want him to be financially ruined, I want him to suffer in real life

>>608177 Might've missed remember, but didn't Hestia also want to have a collab between Nova and monster girls?

i like this girl, he voice is nice. FUCK YOU GUNRUN

OH henya is doing the comiccon with ari. >COMIC WALK AROUND with friends dayo lmao

Could I even post this pic on the ex?

>>608073 Courts consider several factors when determining whether to pierce the corporate veil: If the LLC engaged in fraudulent behavior, and to what extent. If the LLC did not comply with corporate formalities like holding annual meetings or filing requisite documents. If the LLC owner commingled assets of the LLC with personal assets.

>>608221 you actually need to spoiler that in here btw

>>608221 i think you need to spoiler this one too anon

>>608221 >keekihime Lol no. You'd be getting a vacay for that

>>608221 I have before and was untouched, but it's probably more that it was just unnoticed. You never can tell when some faggot janny over there had piss in his cereal that morning

>>608207 I don't know if Hestia herself said that, but i saw someone say that she wanted to organize a nova colla with the monster girls in Nagi's chat, when Tori raided her and someone explained to her who she was.

>>608222 When you hear things like "courts consider several factors ... and to what extent", you should read that as "this is going to cost lamborghini money to litigate".

>>608247 good thing twitch pays on time

>>608221 >still posting in that shithole

>>608247 that's something people don't reliaze or conveniently ignore litigtions will be drawn out to the point they will cost more than the money they could gain from the lawsuits

>>607959 Peak as always

>>608264 Certainly, but there's no money to be gained here at all. The company os defunct. They're pursuing nothing but a legal ruling and justice on paper if they pursue anything.

ohhh maybe mouse can join them late.

>>608274 the company is dead but gunrun is still rich.

>>608276 >b000b hehehehe

>>608276 your id demands you post tits

Feebee's dad used to be a podcaster.

>>608279 lol i just noticed.

>>608278 To get at Gun's, MTD, and/or Apek's personal funds, they have to pierce the corporate veil of Vshojo. That will take money and time. Frankly, if you believe the leavers, which I do, every single member that takes sponsors and streams regularly is going to be very flush with cash in the next few months. Lawsuit costs will not be a concern.

>>608264 Yea, as much as I really want to see Gun and MTD fucked in prison, with how much different unpaid parties there are, litigations would take a very fucking long time and alot of money. I don't think the girls have enough desire to see Gun/MTD in a jail cell to take it to the extent it'd need to be taken in court, especially since I imagine they just to want to get everything over with and be able to move on from this shitshow. At the most Gun gets hit with the charity fraud and has to fork over the money owed from his own assets

Feebee reminds me so much of Mint, its crazy

>>608307 I know right? They sound identical.

>froggy how i missed my autistic girl

>>608303 I think they'll pursue it. Vshojo took sponsor money and charity money, not their twitch revenue or Mouse's UTA sponsors. The girls are out some money, but they still have plenty to pursue it.

>>608307 The fact that we got both is still making my head spin

>>608328 and we could probably had get dooby and doki. Think about it.

>>608335 Doki wasn't even approached, according to her

>>608342 yeah but she said she was thinking about joining, same with dooby. That is how bad this retards fumbled. Imagine this line-up

>>608342 Doki said recently that if she was approached back when she redebuted, it would have been an instant yes. She only started her company because no corpo showed any interest

>>608356 so cute, too bad she is too gay

>>608342 considering how distrustful she was of her own managers im not really surprised but with dooby she would absolutely have started banging on their doors if the idol gen actually panned out

>>608361 ok time to change his nick name to fumblerun

>>608355 >so focused on hololive that he fucked up his hololive gen

>>608369 He can still be GunRun, but the gun is a Sig P320.

>>608328 >>608335 >>608361 It's crazy because with how obsessed this fucking retard Gunrun was with straight up poaching from Holo/Niji that all fumbled all those potential picks who were ready to join THIS badly. This retard needed to be slapped several times for his sheer stupidity

Feebee plans to stream regularly. Will stream tomorrow

>>608379 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fn6GFSwTEw more like the taurus

She will try her hardest to scramble the idol project with Mint and onesan(3rd mysterious member)

>>608361 One good thing I can say here is that talents are hungry for a VShojo-style org that doesn't follow the corpo model but can offer support beyond what indiedom can provide. Maybe some day in the future there'll be something similar if VShojo hasn't already poisoned the well and made the concept permanently tainted.

>>608394 Orgs like VShojo will never take off. Traditional talent agencies are gonna fill this void.

>>608403 the model is very profitable the problem is the retards working on it. UTA will take the good ones very soon.

>>608403 I think you're right, it's a solved problem

>>608382 >>608394 I supported and rooted for vshojo specifically because they weren't like holo/niji and were willing to take risks on unconventional vtuber designs like mata's and not being super strict with what the talents would do but learning that gun actually had them living in his head rent-free was so fucking disappointing man. Especially since yahoo seemed to respect him

henya excited by trunks and master roshi cosplay was cute

>>608403 They're completely different niches actually. Talent agencies are good for getting you sponsorships but not really useful for management and big projects. Also, "orgs like VShojo" is just corpos, which already dominate vtubing. VShojo had a public relations strategy of "we are different from other corporations", and did offer a lot of perks in comparison to the Japanese ones, but was still fundamentally the same idea. If you want to take an entertainment industry analogy, they're more like producers than talent agencies, they're the ones the put up the money to put on the show.

>>608394 >>608403 Vshojo literally took off and had most indies hyped about joining in, with even big indies like Mint, U-san, Dooby and Doki talking about how they wish they had management. Gunrun was just retarded and pissed away money on hookers and cocaine for his retarded friends and staff

>>608404 UTA/geex, any of the already big content creator agencies should honestly take this as a sign to make their own vtuber exclusive branch. There's absolutely people still hungry for an org that let's you keep your ip while funding your dreams

>>608394 >VShojo hasn't already poisoned the well and made the concept permanently tainted. I think that sadly pretty much is the reality. We were already in an era where people are growing increasingly distrustful of corpos because of all the big name graduations as well as the number of small corpos that up and imploded. Then we have vshojo going and pull all this shit and implode themselves. Especially after learning how unprofitable vshojo was(even tho most of it can be blamed on the pure retards who ran it) I don't think there's gonna be alot people who would be willing to invest in a vshojo-style org going forward after seeing how badly the crash and burn is

>>608425 it's a money printing idea everyone is overlooking and vshojo will help to kill it.

>>608404 I just fucking realized, they were deliberately pushing talent into signing to another agencies (UTA, WME) so they can take % of their sponsorships. VShojo couldn't find sponsors themselves. This was very puzzling to me back in the day, like, why would you willingly let them sign into another agency if that doesn't benefit VShojo at all. God I feel dumb now.

I do think there is still room for something like Vshojo to exist in the future especially if it is headed up by previous managers and talent. But it would be an uphill battle and they would have to focus a lot on transparency and being as perfect and drama free as possible. I'm not sure if it is worth it.

>>608403 We will never know until somebody actually try without stealing money and/or burning it for useless shit Real VShojoism has never been tried!

>>608447 that is the sad part... We will never know but it would probably not collapse this bad. 11M in less than 3 years make no sense to a small company as they were

>>608429 All these people join, or wanting to join, demonstrates that there's a demand for it. Even if corpos gradually become less important in vtubing (I think that's totally plausible if not likely) there is always going to be room for them, I really the next VShojo-style project is inevitable unless vtubing as a whole enters a period of sustained decline.

So how about that Soul Link?

>>608437 How hard is it to find sponsors anyways? Also the competitive advantage of a vtuber corpo is concerts, how is it that a borderline 3view like the Nyana Banana girl could do 20 person concerts every few months but Vshojo couldn't?

>>608443 The execs must be vtubers themselves and do a stream about the state of the corpo every 1-3 months

>>608443 > headed up by previous managers and talent Don't think this is possible. Humpty dumpty situation. I don't think Mouse especially will ever join a corpo again.

>>608457 >stream about the state of the corpo every 1-3 months Now that i think about it, did none of the talents ever get briefed on how well the company is doing annually?

>>608458 That's one of the reasons why I don't see it happening. Not to numberfag but without big talent behind it there is little to no gain in joining a new group and no pull with sponsors. I think what others said of someone like Geex+ focusing on a vtuber branch is more likely to happen. Though from their point of view they might not think it is worth it instead of only hiring vtubers normally.

>>608456 >but Vshojo couldn't Gross mismanagement.

>>608456 It shouldn't be this hard with self proclaimed "3rd biggest vtuber org in the world", come on. Go and knock on game publishers, show them numberfag graphs on how many VShojo members were top streamers on Twitch. It feels like they were doing jack shit about it.

>>608464 KEK. But anyway they knew how bad things were because their payments arrived chronically late or didn't arrive at all.

>>608437 it crazy by vei account that they literally wanted to take ALL her money from mythic. This is crazy talk

>>608464 >everything is fine, your paycheck will arrive in 2 more weeks, trust the plan!

>>608480 Zen said something about "being late sometimes but always coming" so she didn't thought a lot about . IT seems it only got really bad last year after september

>>608464 If even Loutlout who was the JP CEO was fed bullshit by the US suites that everything is fine and dandy they're taking care of things, you really think the talents were getting told shit about how the company is doing other than being lied to that they're doing great kek?

>>608480 >>608489 >>608494 Isn't it mandatory for businesses to share financials at the end of the fiscal year to their staff?

>>608494 That part still fucks me up, the jp branch managed to get a deal with fucking universal music and got fucked over bc of the burger big shots

>>608506 No

>>608506 No it's not mandatory for private businesses to share company financials with their staff. That's something publicly traded companies have to do for their shareholders

>>608510 i pity loutlout a bit, he probably lost a lot of connections and friends with this fuck up and will be branded as failure because of gun

>>608510 That deal could've unironically been a precursor to the idol group, which was focused on producing music.

>>608510 they are still pumping Starry Connection with views, they gotta relax on it lol

>>608510 MTD too busy have gay furry cocaine fueled sex, Gun too busy seething about Hololive, Apek too busy not having a law degree and writing NDAs.

>>608521 I feel so bad for him, dude actually had big plans for the jps and NOVA absolutely knocked it out of park. Between him and panini they seemed to be the only people actually putting effort into elevating the company

Tori says her model will to be ready to debut mid august, and then updated sometime in october.

what happened to .se? sure .moe works, but it's slooow

Babymaking sex with Geegers

sorry, forgot attention grabbing pic

the double edged sword about vshojo's business model being so unique is that while traditional vtuber corpos pop up and explode all the time people won't bat an eye everytime a new one comes around but anyone that tries debuting a "talent first creative freedom" agency people are automatically gonna assume it'll be corrupt

>>608571 I know it's a leaf but all I see is anal hemorrhaging

>>608561 has been down since yesterday, nobody said anything when it will be back

Hotaru schedule, opening optcg booster packs when she wakes up https://www.youtube.com/shorts/unkI2TKhPqE

>>608594 i do wonder if she schedules these shorts or if she uploads them at that time

>>608599 Pretty sure she schedules them after stream, same with her yt vods. They're always up between 7am - 9am jst.

>tori watching umamusume make debut concert from the game >wait they SING?? >and they debut?? >i didn't even do that! lmao

Mouse tonight, yeah?

btw since I missed out on all the unofficial debuts can a kind anon give me a run down of all the would be members?

>>608571 Sorry but fucking Frostwall gave me a fucking hairy pit moose fetish

>>608662 Hopefully

>>608678 >mint fantome : freaky ghost maid, loves idolshit, medium level menhera, very cute >phoebe : very pure, more than any vshojo member, turbo idol / idolshit, very cute >pia : slime girl, extreme yapper, very cute >beribug : half human/ladybug, apparently plays cs2, very cute >tori: charon from greek mythology archetype, huge souls/fromfag, very cute

>>608699 We, as fans, were robbed. I personally bought merch that will never be delivered, anyone who donated to the subathon had their charity money stolen, and everyone was robbed of the debut of these awesome new members.

>>608699 Beri just shared a clip, doesn't really stream CS. She actually plays variety of games, big amount of it is retro. I've been watching her play classic Fallout games recently, because not many people play them on Twitch, its pretty nice.

>>608699 thanks anon, seems like panini knocked it out of the part with these picks, shame it all went to waste

>>608712 Sorry anon. Beri is the one I know the least about so I just tried to throw something in there

>>608678 Also if you aren't aware, there are 2 unaccounted for girls that haven't gone public. We don't know if they will or not. 1 in the idol gen and 1 in the monster gen

>>608723 Pia hinted last night the 4th monstergirl might appear at some point.

>>608723 imagine if the idol one was the yellow phase orbiter after all

Monsterlap

Pia and Beri live

>>608743 what is she doing today?

>>608760 no plans, just hanging out

Would have loved to see what beri's merch would have looked like

Beri is insanely pissed about all the money she missed out on by not debuting, and I don't blame her.

https://x.com/PekeIsPeak/status/1949276468837810645 peke is awake

Damn this stream got dark really quick.

>>608662 <@everyone i just woke up... im trying to get ready to stream... i will see you soon. sorry for starting so late.

beri feels like she's cloutchasing and guilty that she's making the vshojo situation about herself, which is funny bc the amount of people coming out of the woodwork to try and make the drama about themselves despite being barely involved is much worse.

>>608807 If I hear one more fucking "didn't hear back from auditions" story I'm going to start sending them job applications.

V HAS COME TO

>>608807 She's not cloutchasing though, she literally got in.

>>608809 not even just rejected applicants I saw someone venting about wasting a huge amount of money trying to pitch merch ideas to vshojo despite never being asked or contacted to do in the first place >>608813 Yeah but thats how she feels unfortunately

>>608817 The Kuro jacket, yes. Saw that one, too. Entirely his own fault for going that hard on a pitch.

They have learned from NOVA.

>>608832 They are multi casting on youtube as well: Beribug:262 PiapiUFO: 91 Torioriane: 92

>>608836 I like that they're all dedicated multicasters. Pia has both chats.

>>608843 Watch along of HP? Interesting.

It's all so bittersweet

>>608852 She's doing watchalong every sunday and she wants to watch the entire hp series

Rolling Any word who the fourth monster girl is?

>>608871 the egg monster

>>608871 would grimmi count?

>>608873 There’s always more room for Peke

i'm sorry momo

>>608876 I wanted Grimmi /in/ but no someone said the fourth girl might reveal herself at some point

>>608886 geegacorp would be an actual nepohire agency

>>608886 as much as i think geega tries to act smarter than she actually is i would have faith ia a corpo run by her if it wasn't for the gtaRP hires or the mixed vtuber/irl probability, i still havent seen a mixed corpo have unity or a core corpo community

>>608897 I would not trust geega with anything honestly 😔

>>608897 I'd trust geega with ideas and management roles, but not being in charge of one, much less having the final say on who gets to join considering she made it clear she sees no value in anyone who less than a 4view

Beri is speaking Korean

Its true Beribug does sounds like Dokibird but korean.

>>608941 And to think Geega was shit talking them at the start.

>>608947 I keep hearing gigi murin in her voice

Guys let's not forget that most of the talents are also awful people

>>608897 i think she can. if she just follow how 3am/vchiban style of agency, it will works. and to be honest, a cut from talents too, like 90/10.

>>608951 mambo

>>608947 Yeah, I was thinking the same thing

>>608941 We have to kill gunrun

>>608951 not now geega

>>608951 They paid for 4chan shitposting, not here.

>>608971 i wonder if the silver schizo was paid.

https://x.com/ENVTubersOOC/status/1949290394782478817 Zen... ... ZEN

>>608991 WWA was a ex mod(pretty sure)and I always thought the schizo was paid cause silver was that petty

>>609004 Giantess.. loosely connected indies?

>>609016 -.-

>"raid piapi" >reads it as pippa

>>609016 bruh...

Oh man doody can’t sing for shit, she’s really bad

>>609011 I believe it >>609016 we're unfortunately gonna be seeing more of that thing now huh

this is so NLpilled

>>608948 Love dooby, but love my ears more

>>609046 That looks disgusting

>>609046 funny you mention that https://youtu.be/PfB4LSiqQ_4

>>609046 yea, she very clearly is a big NL fan

>>609050 I can't listen to bad singing, it hurts my soul as a musician

>>608807 She has been like this since this shit happened on Monday. I really want to slap her, and tell her that we are watching her cause we want/she is cute/etc

Mouse....

The most fucked up part about the dooby situation is that since mint joined because of mata, then its safe to say if vshojo got dooby then saba was 100% a shoe-in too

°^°

>>609074 it's possible

>>609075 felt is so cute ToT

>>609068 yeah...

>>609068 >>609083 post context at least

>>609086 i tried but i felt really bad reading it and just switch tabs... Sorry.

>>609098 how the fuck did you rolla boob1 lmao i just noticed

>>609086 mousey...

>>609102 i like boobs

I didn't notice this tag and I love it, Nyan could learn something lol

mouse is really bad right now

Missed the entire day, how was feebee specifically? I skimmed the thread and I gather she just sounds like Mint. Is she funny? She play games? What did she do for the stream?

>>609132 I didnt watch much but she was crying

Beri turned into Grimmi

>>609134 eh better I didn’t watch it then, I got sadness fatigue Btw why does beri have grimmi’s model

Mouse got her background fixed by uwumedia, so there's that. Vshojo references have been removed.

>>609016 >>609024 >no raid for Pia because of the orbiting doxcunt Great

>>609138 but she is still not feeling alright.

Gao Gao

>>609132 She has many similarities with Mint. Feebee plays games, yeah. She just answered a couple of questions about VShojo and laid out plans for the future. Will try to keep the idol project going with trio, and will stream regularly.

I know you’re Korean beri but you’re exaggerating dude

i guess no mouse tonight.

>>609163 i don't blame her

>>609154 I'm really curious about who the third one was supposed to be... >>609143 She got the worst heartbreak imaginable, it'll be a while before she's fully healed im afraid

>>609154 Wow sweet, would love to see the idol trio

>>609143 She's already got massive trust issues given her past and another person she loved like a second father just betrayed her. Her mental is fucked.

>>609165 no... This situation just sucks a lot >>609170 >>609172 i hoped she just took theday off again

>>609170 >>609172 Now kiss

>>609177 Very aware of forbidden knowledge. I HOPE it was only gun betrayal that hurt her.

>>609179 Eh she’ll just ruminate, she should get back into streaming to cheer up within reason

>>609192 henya bait

>>609177 I want to say i hope a big agency like UTA scoops in to save her by offering to create a vtuber group of all the ex members but there's no way mousey will ever have that much faith in companies again

Reached 1.3 mil on the tiltify https://tiltify.com/@ironmouse/ironmouse

Pia raided Beri

>>609192 >onee-chan

Is... Beri into mind control?

>>609214 Tier lists are so 2022

even monke was deployed today, oh man...

>>609184 Spending just a few minutes on ex I have a feeling as to what you might be alluding to. I'm going to completely operate under the assumption that she is also innocent until proven otherwise straight from the other girls' mouth and not the resident schizos over on ex.

>>609311 exactly... Because otherwise, i would be worse than mouse right now.

>>609281 Well It is his birthday I am sure he was streaming anyway, but it looks like a short bit of chatting and then a sponsor. Mouse will probably watch him do the chatting a bit and start once he does his sponsor.

>>609197 She doesn't need a group. She's made friends. There's no need for a corporate structure to sanction her activities.

>>609344 Do you remember why we used to say people need vshojo help? Yes, same thing but not the way vshojo did.

>>609349 Mouse has a manager, a talent agency, and a team behind her now. She's a far leap away from the Mouse of 2020.

>>609374 you are contradicting yourself.

>>609378 Not really. Mouse doesn't need a corporate structure to surround what she herself has built. She has everything that Vshojo claimed to provide her on her own now.

I feel like I'm going to puke, I'm scared. We are not healing

>>609400 literally 5 days. Relax bitch.

>>609400 Hm. Maybe the ex was right and this site actually is for pussy ass bitches.

>>609409 Yeah I'm anxious

>>609400 Honestly, I feel a lot better now than before we found out and everything was uncertain. We knew something big was happening and that it was really bad. Now we know. For the most part, I believe that we're past the lowest point, and things are mostly looking up from here.

>>609432 i'm not sure, when the NDA fall things will get more bizarre.

>>609440 I that will mostly be about management, though. I know about the rrat on half, and if that ended up being true, it would be disappointing and surprising, but I won't be affected that much by it, tbh.

how does miguel gato still have 4k viewers and why is twitch recommending her to me after all these years

>>609440 The only things I expect from NDA fallout is more stories of MTD being a creep and that Alex guy being the one Kaho was tweeting about

In case anybody cares, when asked about mouse joining geex+, connor said that technically she could just, but that she doesn't really need it. Could just be misdirection, but kinda sounds like she has no plans of joining for now.

>>609460 >>609467 i mean the vei revelations were already a lot to digest and it was until 2023... Gods can imagine how bad it got from there. Mouse mentions she was guilty trip and i want to know what really happened with mata because they fired her.

>>609470 could join*

>>609440 Sure but that's got nothing to do with us anymore, they can shit talk gun and the sex pest all they want I'll be too busy watching my oshis and maybe the unofficials

>>609471 >guilty trip Guilt tripped. The phrase is guilt tripped.

>>609470 He did say it in a way that implied any of the talents could join if they wanted to. Will be interesting to see if anything comes from that in the next year.

>>609488 Hime kek

>>609488 i don't see anything happening this year anymore. They are all lost right now.

>>609470 i still have no idea what geex+ does, is it basically UTA/Mythic but japan?

>>609498 yesh

>>609488 Unless Geex themselves is planning to fill vshojo's spot with their own gens + the ex members i doubt anything will come from this. They're like a more credible mythic right now, but I do hope they reach out to Pia and the nova girls at least

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>>609460 Personally I would as she's the closest thing to a "kami oshi" to me and she was the one gateway to getting me into vtubers in the first place back in 2020, so I've always got a spot for her. But, if that rrat were I'm not sure how I react, not to imagine it would've been just as, if not even more devastatingly heart-breaking for the girls than being betrayed by fucking gunrun

>>609498 Kinda, yeah. The main reason for their existence is bringing well known content creators to japan and getting them visas + management. However, with Ari and other joining who don't even live in japan, I guess their focus changed to more general management?

>>609510 >more credible mythic Mythic is looking pretty fucking credible right now, man. Every single talent that left Vshojo and went to Mythic has the same story of making more in months with Mythic than they did in years with Vshojo.

>>609516 dude go back to half please

>>609513 >>609511 >>609509 i forgot they had a big panel in AX, so they can facilitate con appearances too i guess

>>609498 TLDR they are a normal talent management but with the support of a huge corpo like Kadakawa behind them. For most of the time it wouldn't be any different than something like mythic but occasionally talent might get a huge opportunity that big daddy kada can help facilitate or fund.

>>609518 dude I've been here since the site went down. I'm not going to deny the reality of what's been said by people that actually experienced it and worked with both agencies.

>credible >having to resort to recruiting kirsche and nux of all people plenty of vtubers left mythic while stating the complete opposite btw

>>609523 Yeah, their resources have definitely increased over the years and they've been expanding. They picked up a lot of people recently. And paying for a big booth at AX also isn't exactly cheap.

Dooby raided Beri, Nice

>>609530 Basically they are doing what vshojo was supposed to do

>>609528 Nyan literally said she's running out of money anon

>>609516 >Company that has fucking Asmongold >Literal /pol/tard Kirsche >Dramafaggots like False, Rima, and Nux >Pretty fucking credible

>>609540 dude is baiting for hours now the mythic slip was only the confirmation.

>>609536 HUGE

Mouse live.

Dooby is /in/

FUCK THIS FAGGOT! MOUSE IS HERE!

>>609551 /in/ what? kek

>>609516 Mythic is a glorified Twitch bounty board that do nothing for those signed to it unless your name is Shylily or Filian. They do the absolute bare minimum to collect their 15%

>>609545 You go through my fucking posts and tell me where I've been baiting, fag. The joke about big chungus being a pussy ass bitch? Or believing Vei, Silver, and Nyan saying that they all made more money in the first few months of being with Mythic? Because neither of those are bait posts.

>>609554 the list for the funeral

>>609562 ouch

>>609545 Kek you hit a nerve

>>609560 they basically created vchiban. They parede buffy around so much and as soon they signed lily and the 3 they removed buffy from the front page KEK

>>609570 he is learning but can't resist. KEK

>>609572 Which is funny because after they did that and Buff left she let it all out what they do lol

Does anyone else wanna pop Tori's head with a pin?

>>609560 Like you can admit vshojo was incredibly incompetent without being a mythic shill especially since they haven't been able to score a single vtuber that was as big as the leavers since

You also need to take into consideration that Nyan saying stuff like her earning more money since she left vshojo than while she was in it isn't really saying much. That's a pretty low bar.

>>609588 >score a single vtuber that was as big as the leavers since Henya, michi are not real for you?

>>609589 Nyan was getting a lot of money from her subs and viewers that dropped quite a lot. Not really related to vshojo but she did fell off bad.

>>609593 Do you lack reading comprehension? He's saying Mythic hasn't scored a large vtuber since the leavers.

Best girl in the entire universe is live! I love her and wish her all the happiness after this ordeal

>>609604 back, half, now

>>609610 Filter my ID if you don't want to see my posts.

>>609607 the vr one was back when she had ligma. Time really flies.

>>609589 Plus the reason they earned more in their first months was literally bc mythic outbid vshojo in their contract war, and like I stated already nyan has recently admitted shes not earning enough anymore >>609593 I'm talking about mythic

>>609622 they did got filian but... errrr

>>609626 Fillian joined around the same time so i dont count it, point still stands they're scrapping the bottom of the barrel now

Finally some good music.

>>609630 it kinda bothered me they took limes and grimmi but knowing how bad vshojo was, i can't really complain.

Beri is a gun nut, I love her even more now

>>609622 Nyan's numbers tanked hard after leaving: Went from 11K average CCV down to below 2K CCV. Probaby lost a lot of sponsors and opportunities with the fall in numbers.

I’m kinda one and done with this opera song, didn’t go to listen to it again on YouTube. But everytime I hear it in streams or through others, it keeps getting better and better

>>609622 Anyone leaving any corpo will be earning more its not a Vshojo only thing. Corps take a vast larger cut then Mythic which is just another shitty MCM of days gone by. Which is why they keep trying to pass on "industry standard" like its some God send but its MCM standard for the same lazy shit MCMs did.

I rarely watch mouse but every time I've heard MBoF I've cried a little. I even got to hear it premier live.

>>609622 >mythic outbid vshojo in their contract was So they got more money because they were paid more. And Nyan's issue is because she got very spotty on streaming at all and taking sponsors. She's picking up streaming more now because of the house hunting.

>>609639 I'd be down for a full mouse opera or musical ngl

>>609637 They moved to a home without internet dude lol

>>609644 >hear it premier live Lucky. It's been a mainstay on my playlist since it dropped.

>>609649 ... They were already living in LA when she left? The karaoke party was even there.

>>609649 In LA?

>>609649 Wasn't it they were promised that fiber was coming, but they were stuck with spectrum and it was just incredibly unstable?

>>609653 Is LA that backwater? lmao

>>609652 >>609653 Didn’t their landlord lied about the internet speed? They had to do alternate days because the speed didn’t allow them concurrent streaming

>>609637 A bunch of things happened. Leaving vshojo hurt a bit because some people just watched her because of pinklove but nyan really got stale, doing the same boring jokes and edgy humor from 2018. I tried to watch her a couple of days ago and meh...

>>609649 Nyanner has less than 600 active subs. She'll each $2300 at 70/30 cut.

>>609656 YES but she was still with us... IT was spectrum, that shit was so bad.

>>609655 yeah LA is lame

>>609656 That was it, yes. Spectrum has really low upload speeds when you consider streaming. Plus it's just shitty in general.

>>609664 LA is expensive as fuck too

>>609655 Spectrum rules Southern Cali with an iron fist and shuts out any new start ups. we are kinda fucked out here lol

Mouse could’ve been on the Vegas sphere…

>>609657 >>609637 If staff was really as /here/ as its claimed I wonder if they ever planned on approaching her to re-join especially now that she's vulnerable enough to accept a big money offer. Oh what could have been if these fucking idiots didn't fuck everything up

>>609669 I know I used to live there a long time ago

>>609672 >idol gen with mint >monster girl gen >return of pink love

>>609672 nyan would never come back. MTD burned that bridge for good, she was still okay with gunrun for a bit.

Don't get me wrong, the some nice TTS messages, but I don't need that spam. I wish she limited them to 1 per minute max.

>>609647 I wish too, but attack of the cloud? Forgot the name, was something similar in concept, and boy did that fail. It was only a flimsy narrative to string together songs, and it was blotched and kinda ass (except the singing of course)

>>609670 Every ISP just chops the country up into their little fiefdoms and just buys up competitors. They leave the shitty ones as government approved competition to prevent monopoly hearings. Not like the current FTC would actually try to break shit up.

>>609677 >I'm Brittney in this clip finding out the MTD isn't gay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opKaKLuKGhY