Is there such thing as a /fringe/ shoe? By this I mean ones that would allow your feet to "ground" on the earth's energy field and for you to step toe-first without restriction, and just be gentler on the feet overall.

>>5536 >Is there such thing as a /fringe/ shoe? I think the closest we have to an "official fringe shoe" is whatever smiley is wearing. >By this I mean ones that would allow your feet to "ground" on the earth's energy field That one is an illusion. Hard to get over it I know. Had to break through several energy centers within the leg to see the "Internal ecosystem" of the body and see how the upper part of the legs are like cities the tights are like violent warring horseriders below it animals then the foot is like a flower field. The knee is still a mystery for me tho. It gets weirder whenever I look at it Had to see how these places circulate energy and had to manually activate them. It was a moment of full insanity for me. The reason I managed to witness this insight because some greater force decided to intervene and teach it to me in an emergency channeling because I completely lost my ability of grounding. A day or 2 later I realized that I am losing the hold upon my body. I live in a 2 story building and realized I don't have a natural connection to the earth because I live in a building way too above earth. I realized I have to touch the earth asap or my soul will leave my body and I will die. I had a house plant that I watered diligently for years because I got it as a gift and even tho I dislike keeping plants in my house because they belong in the earth and trapping a plant in a claypot for amusement feels wrong. I love plants but I don't think they deserve being trapped in clay and concrete. Let them stay in fertile soil where they belong. Was thinking about planting it outside but I feared it would wither if I put it into the wrong soil. I thought that I can temporarily connect to that plant as a temporary grounding and if I do it I will be able to maintain my connection with earth before I run outside to renew my connection with the soil... The plant started to wither instantly. Every time I blinked with my eyes the green leaves of the plant got drier and browner. When I was halfway out of the house the plant almost withered away... I realized that my energetic madness is killing the plant and it will completely wither away a moment before stepping outside. If the plant dies then my insane misconception will equate the life of the plant with my very own life and if I reinforce that stupidity I might even reincarnate as a plant... Because of that I turned back and put down the half dried plant back to it's place and realized that energies of earth is "everywhere" and focusing all my energies to go through a single plant so I can think I am connecting to the "earth" is retarded. The plant completely withered away the next day. Threw it out because it reminded of my temporary madness Had to realize that "touching the soil with your soles" for grounding/connecting to earth is just an "unnecessary condition" that you create with your mind. If you don't touch the earth then you are not on the earth? Are you on a different planet then?There are some monasteries and shrines that employ this trick tho but that is an another story What connects us to the earth what connects every grain of sand together to form the soil to form the earth? The answer is gravity. If you feel the gravity of earth you are on earth. You can let the extra energies that grant you your imbalance taken by that gravity. The energies usually attached to your "personal gravity" which is created by your energy field/ego which is being influenced by your mind and emotions. If you can "Let go" of the energies it will be "taken" by gravity. The gravity of earth or the sun or the moon will take it away. Had to realize that the core of the earth is also a "sun" that burns everything. The soil and the bedrock is "mere coating" and they are not exactly necessary "conduits". Plants are connected to the earth the earth is connected to the bedrock the bedrock is connected to the core of earth. Plants cannot grow without the soil nor without the sun. If you don't feel the connection with earth they recommend you to walk barefooted or hug trees spend time naked in nature etc. But that is an illusion. Your kinetic senses grant you the extra "safety" feeling. Some people only consider them "connected to others" if they can touch them constantly. If you stop hugging a tree you won't fly away. The trees inhale CO2 and exhale Oxygen. Even by breathing you connect to the trees thus you connect to the deepest parts of the earth's ecosystem with that. Even the internet can connect wireless nowadays. Being connected with cables is not even a requirement for physical technology that relies exclusively on the material nowadays. If materialist technology managed to overcome this limitation you should also have this realization. Even clouds ground themselves via raining and lightning You will have to feel how you are connecting to the observable and non-observable reality around you. You will have to give away which is not yours and let those energies that belong to you return. That way you will realize the balance. Don't be fooled by your senses. You are not your senses. Your senses are not defining you. Hard to overcome this mortal limitation I know but it's necessary. If you can't realize this then you will have to walk barefooted or with wooden sandals to ground yourself. Maybe dig the lower parts of your body into earth to "get it" meditate naked in the forest or I don't know. There are probably other less insane methodologies for this realization then the one I had to go through >for you to step toe-first without restriction Running shoes and some tour shoes helped me in that regard but I don't use anything special. >and just be gentler on the feet overall. I think that depends on the shoe. I know some homeopathic shoes are dealing with this issue but I was never into them. Gurus in the past walked with these wooden sandals or barefooted so I don't think anything more comfortable is necessary. Once you fix your posture your legs will walk even more effortlessly. Yoga can help you with this. TL;DR.: For grounding use the ever present gravitational force of earth to your advantage instead of requiring the touch of the soil. ALL IS MIND after all. If you realize your connection with earth is permanent as long as you are an incarnated human you won't need these "material clutches" to walk your spiritual path.Or you reincarnate as a hoofed demon. Horns and hoofs represent the constant connection to earth and the skies. Hair also represents earthly attachments. This is why monks shave their head. Realize the many ways you connect to earth. Also lmao at that shoe. I bet there are some hippie shoes with grasses and crystals too. Just googled it and "orgone shoes" are a thing. Must be fun being a materialist spiritualist. It's only 40$! What a steal!

Will meditation every day help me resist the degenerate mental influences around me and make an aura that makes me immune to normalfaggotry and radiates fascism and anti-degeneracy? Seems like everything in my surroundings is corrupt in some way except in corners of the internet like this so the only way to make a true spiritual aura would come from within because every thing you can buy with money and every organized group you can join has jews behind it pulling the strings. I am currently trying to get into meditation, nofap, and kinda unfortunately new age guided yoga videos. I really am struck by the idea that most external things have some sort of jewish energy in some way, so the more homemade something is, the better the energy is. For example it would be better to homemake spell candles and oils and whatnot because that way it wouldn't be made in a factory and the money would not be going to jews who hate you. I'm currently trying to start a magical herb garden now that I saw someone else on /fringe/ doing that, but based off of a brief internet search of the magical properties of herbs, different websites say different things for the same herb. such as "basil is fire element, mars planet, masculine" and then a different website saying something contradictory. It also resonates with me not to buy seeds from a garden store but instead take cuttings from plants from nature if i can find them and if I can't then using a grocery store instead of garden store. I feel like nature is one place that the jews don't have full control over just like the internet. Once I get better at chemistry and get more equipment I might be able to make a synthetic candle wax substitute from different precursors and combine that with homegrown herbs and figure out a way to distill essential oils out of the herbs I grow in my magical pro-Hitler garden and figure out methods of making wicks. That way I would have a truly anti-jew candle that I could use in my rituals. But for the mean time I'll be using store bought for rituals.

>>5543 >make an aura that makes me immune to normalfaggotry and radiates fascism and anti-degeneracy Sounds like you just need to do energy body development exercises. Try the meditations in Robert Bruce's Energy Work >>1098

>>5543 Also nofap can help you build creative energies, but it's pointless if you don't proceed to harness those energies. Make sure to do this >>969

>>5544 I tried the first exercise in the book with tactile imaging but I don't feel any energy whatsoever. And the stuff I do feel I'm not creating I'm just noticing. I'm stuck on the part where he is talking about feeling energy in your kneecap or thumb or whatever.

>>5554 Can you move your awareness to different parts of your body? Move your awareness to your hand. Then move your awareness out of your hand to the air outside your palm. Imagine that a ball of energy surrounds the center of your awareness outside your palm. Don't worry if your imagination isn't vivid, just try. Then slowly move your center of awareness, along with the ball of energy, through your palm and out the back of your hand. Then repeat, back and forth. Experiment with different motions. If you lose the imagination of the energy surrounding your awareness just spend some time re-imagining it. Find a quiet spot and do this for at least 15 minutes. You should get at least some sensory feedback eventually.

>>5555 Nothing happened. I did what you said to do.

>>5556 Something did happen. Every thought has an effect. Describe precisely the mental movements that you performed. Describe what your attention is focusing on when you perform the act of imagination, and how the act of imagination unfolds. Describe precisely how you imagine the act of movement of your awareness and how your awareness changes when you move it (if your awareness isn't changing at all then you aren't actually moving it).

>>5557 I started on my back with my palms to the floor. I was focusing on my right hand, at first trying to feel my hand, and then the area around it. Nothing happened for a while. I began doing various things like moving an energy ball in my mind in and out of my palms. Then I thought maybe it isn't working because my palms are facing into the floor, let me try again with my stomach on the floor so my palms are in the air so I can actually imagine an energy ball. Still nothing, but I tried doing it despite not the best mental image. This whole time I was using my right hand. Whenever I used my right hand and fcoused on it, I only felt energy in my left hand, so I tried focusing on it, but then I only felt energy in my right and not my left. So eventually I focused on both at the same time but it was so subtle. I also felt energy in my right leg little sparks. Everything was extremely subtle and not very noticeable. I tried different things to my hand then like plants growing out of it, air temperature change, heat, cold, drilling my handwith an electric drill, my hand rotating on its axis like a drill, lightning striking my hand, fire burning it, water of different temperatures, electric sparks. None of it produced anything very strong. It was more me sensing energy randomly around my body just happening like it would without me doing anything versus what i wanted which was to create energy. None of it really was related to my thoughts. Something I do remember though was in my leg I felt bubbles like it was a liquid and gas was releasing up my leg through the liquid medium but I wasn't focusing on my leg in that area so I don't think I caused it and besides I've had that bubbles in liquid sensation in my body before just when doing random stuff like playing video games or walking.

>>5559 It sounds like you just need to improve your focus. If your awareness is in your left hand then most of your consciousness should be in your left hand; the rest of your body should be background noise at most, though preferably you should be focusing so much that the rest of your body is invisible to you. You definitely shouldn't be focusing on sensations in other parts of your body. Also experimenting with different techniques is good but if you're unable to stick with one technique for 15 minutes straight then that's a problem. It's like that Bruce Lee quote: "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." You need to get in a mindset to where you're not anxious about immediately seeing results and are just absorbed in the flow of the exercise. Have you tried quiet mind or single-point meditation? You should definitely take that up. 15-30 minutes a day of solid practice will cause very quick improvement. Strong focus is a prerequisite for magic so this is important. Bardon has some good meditations for this in Initiation into Hermetics, also there's the old meditations thread >>1617 >I tried different things to my hand then like plants growing out of it, air temperature change, heat, cold, drilling my handwith an electric drill, my hand rotating on its axis like a drill, lightning striking my hand, fire burning it, water of different temperatures, electric sparks. Yeah this is way too many things to be attempting in one session. You need to focus on one thing instead of constantly changing the object of your intention and awareness like this. Just set aside at least 15 minutes a day to do a solid session of uninterrupted empty mind meditation and you will start to get better at this very quickly.

>>5557 >>5560 I'm trying to get into meditation. I just started on the day of my nofap pledge. This will help me stay motivated for the meditation. Does meditation ever become fun and enjoyable like video games once you get good at it? When I meditate I just focus on my breath, should I instead try no mind instead of only focusing on my breath and killing out all thought. I meditated today for 14 minutes just focusing on my breath but it was really hard and I could barely get rid of all thought but I definitely tried. I like the number 14 because of it's national socialist symbolism, but I'll start doing 15 I guess. I just started meditation last thursday.

>>5561 Focusing on your breath works good as single-point meditation. If you want to you could try doing single-point in the morning and empty mind in the evening, or something along those lines. It will definitely get easier over time so long as you persevere, and once you're able to do more active meditations like energy work or active imagination it's absolutely very enjoyable. Just keep at it.

>>5561 >Does meditation ever become fun and enjoyable like video games once you get good at it? Yes it does. But I cannot compare it to videogames. It's a completely different "fun". It will make videogames look like a pointless chore and entertainment as an annoying noise once you find your inner perfection. I just cannot recommend meditation enough. It solves so many issues once you realize it's benefits. Takes time to get it right tho.

Why is it that occultists more often than not, end up being a bunch of neurotic drama queens? Isn't the skill of not being that way like Wizardry 101? t. reading the crowley biography for entertainment

>>5579 They either fuck up their own energy circulation then overload their mental and emotional faculties aka shadow work gone wrong or entities are messing with them. Sometimes both. And in some cases some occultists are so bad at overcoming ego death that the ego just overloads itself in a last ditch effort to remain "relevant" until it causes a breakthrough. Oh and let's not forget the classic <no one gets me syndrome. It happens when people refuse to build connections properly to share their views in a profound manner and forget that some higher truths can only be understood after contemplating it long enough in silence. The energetic body of the occultist undergoes changes and when he is not willing to properly go through the process it causes problems for himself and the people around him. But some people have such a deep seated issue with the society around them and the image they built in it so far they have to shed it and they can only do it by completely demolishing the previously established image of theirs. When they go and finally ask the question <Who I am because they don't know the answer anymore. Smart and serious people will have to become pants on head retards while retards will have to become insightful sages to see that. They will have to merge their own polarities and see themselves "fully" for once.

>>5579 The kind of occultists you're looking for (mystics) do not get their biographies written. They're the kind of practitioner who imbue some rock in Tibet with spiritual knowledge so that you can go sit on it and meditate. Yes, that is a thing, and the fact that you didn't know about it is part of the point why "high level" occultists seem like such losers to you. Because they are barely a notch above mundies. If you want to know about actually good occultists, look in the astral. Or make meeting them part of your karma. A word of advice, they will probably abuse you sexually or be alcoholics.

>>5584 >A word of advice, they will probably abuse you sexually or be alcoholics. Personal experience?

>>5562 >>5569 Once I've finished the mandatory 15 minute meditation is it no no on the carpet if i meditate in the shower (a hot one) or is that too degenerate?

>>5590 Why would that be degenerate?

>>5592 >>5590 >is it no no on the carpet Sorry it is a long story but I'm on my mom's computer and o k * a y filters to "no no on the carpet". I did that a long time ago as a kid on my mom's phone and it passed over to her computer. I feel embarrassed now. >Why would that be degenerate? Because Franz Bardon and others have said that hot showers are bad and also I might associate the shower with the meditation and be unable to focus on meditating unless I am in a hot shower.

>>5593 Try successfully meditating at least several times outside of the shower 1st; then you'll be able to do it in the shower if you please, but only if most of your future such meditations aren't there.

>>5593 Man, looking at your posts, you have to slow down. There is literally no logic, no "being clever", you just have to sit and meditate, you're looking too much for escapes from hard work. There's no skipping it like there are no shortcuts in bulding muscle - you have to lift the weight and do it regularly for a prolonged period of time. Don't think about the results - it's just another distraction. Just give up on everything else and meditate 30-60 min a day (in total, split it in parts and do them when you're feeling best).

Why is the atheist flag a banana? Why not monke?

>>5636 You don't get the reference?

What's a good trick for getting some visible light during astral projection? Could be a summoned light emitting device, nightvision, a way to turn lights on in a room, etc. I know in theory it's as simple as willing there to be light but I need the training wheels version because it's a recurring problem where it's dark and I can't flip a light switch with my ghost hands.

>>5639 Learn to see in the dark. That's the main trick. To elaborate. When you go outside at night the fastest way to "see in the dark" is to stare at the darkest point you can find in the environment and your eyes/pupils will try to open up as much as possible to be able to see in it. It should be automatic but you can speed it up by helping it consciously. Now in astral projection it might be "tricky" in some cases because it's not about being able to "see" but to be able to connect to the place you are visiting. (your mind makes the images that you "see" and not your eyes. Seeing is not just about the eyes but about the mind's ability to process the information and relay it reliably to your conscious) Hard to explain but you will have to "ask" the darkness to "reveal itself" and in some cases it's better to keep dark places dark. Once you see things there you might be also noticed by the "others" that hid in the shadows so far for a reason. Hard to say what to do in your case because the "Luminous body" should be able to "light the way". I am unsure about your current accomplishments in astral projection but the way I see it with my ability you have some dark shell/room around you that you will have to "transcend" to be able to see. Wanted to say that you should "break it" but it's not the right word. Try to look for invisible door knobs and try to "open them". You require a trick like that if my intuition is right. For me astral projection was like rising in pure darkness and once I noticed the spirits that were helping me I unlocked a sort of "holographic vision" where I noticed every object while seeing through the darkness.. Can't say how to "acquire it" because it just "Happens" when it happens. It's about not making your "astral senses" subconsciously "obey" the "rules of the physical senses". Personally I am trying to integrate this "sight" into my physical/waking life but whenever I try I realize that I am still too bound to my own physical senses and require more meditation to properly master it. I get glimpses but never can keep it open for a prolonged time. My mind wants me to follow the "physical programming of the senses" and whenever I switch I lose my grounding after a while. >>5637 Had to google it. Never knew this banana argument was this controversial in the life of these "people". I always pursued the transcendental and never even considered taking these people seriously. If they are happy in their bleak materialist existence and none of their inner parts scream in pain from the banality of their "life" then they are either extremely hopeless or the luckiest of the normalfag population. Never seen a point in "debating" those who think they have all the answers figured already.

>>5645 >When you go outside at night Was thinking of asking on /fringe/ about this but it would be mostly whining. The new LED lights everywhere are a menace and ruin being outside at night. The worst are the new headlights that completely destroy nightvision every time a car drives by. And that's just in my very small town that is fairly remote. It wasn't like this even a few years ago. iirc the smileburg poster mentioned before that he altered his perception of these lights when he did kabbalah magic but I never asked him about it and he's gone now. The digital world is grotesque to me >you have some dark shell/room around you Well whenever I look into a mirror during astral projection, I see a dark amorphous shadow person. It used to freak me out but I realized that it's literally me and would stare into it with the same courage I used to overcome sleep paralysis. Never saw a "luminous body" but when I look at my astral body in 1st person it looks pretty normal. It's a long story but my room used to have a problem with the outlets where the plugs of everything including my bedside lamp itself had to be just so or the lamp wouldn't turn on at all. It was a common AP trigger for me when I would try to fuck with the plugs to get it working and realize I wasn't having any physical effect. I still try to do this out of habit sometimes including that last night before my previous post. Interestingly, I noticed that each time I tried flipping the switch to the ceiling light, the room would flash to appear a little bit brighter, as if my expectation of light was briefly illuminating the room. > I am unsure about your current accomplishments in astral projection I've become pretty good at controlling it once it happens, just being present wherever I find myself and remaining grounded enough to explore and perform experiments. Sometimes it's still a bit much though. Besides the darkness issue I have a big problem with navigation. A good example I wrote about on here before was when I kept APing at will but when I tried to step outside my home I would instantly teleport to some shitty random place for no apparent reason. I think if I practice more with emotional resonance and meditate more it might help. My goal is to be able to explore the astral version of my physical reality at will, whenever I want because it would be insanely fun. A majority of the entities I've encountered were just low level mobs, easy to defeat and I could always hit the panic button if it got too weird. Onto a slightly different subject: A few nights ago I had that one phenomenon we discussed a while ago, which is distinctly different from lucid-dreaming/AP. While the difference between lucidity and a normal dream is essentially the recollection of my wholeness, and binding all my components together so they're not floating around aimlessly, this other phenomenon feels much more deep. I wonder if it's actually a form of timeline travel or a mechanism by which that can be acheived. Basically what I remember happening is "waking up" somewhere and believing it was real. Something gave me suspicion that it wasn't even though everything about it seemed perfectly convincing. I pounded my fists against some kind of wooden particle board thing and decided to hit the panic button without even being sure it was a dream, and fortunately it worked. The sensation is so much different from a dream (lucid or otherwise). Like being pulled out of a deep dark hole. Robert Monroe is the closest I've found to describing experiences like this as separate from AP, but even his categorization is limited imo.

Why is using a pendulum so draining on energy? I'm getting tired after 7-8 yes/no questions, no matter if I'm doing this right or not. Or could it be something with the stone I'm using? I have a tiger's eye (picrel) that I used to wear on my hand to get a little energy boost throughout the day (sadly I develop some kind of tolerance/resistance after a few days of use). Didn't have anything better at hand so I just used the stone. I wanted to use something more 'neutral' anyway, I think I'll carve something (very improvised) out of a stick.

>>5671 >Why is using a pendulum so draining on energy? I'm getting tired after 7-8 yes/no questions, no matter if I'm doing this right or not. Because "pendulums" are utilizing your dormant intuitive ability for divination. It is not the pendulum that does the work but a part of your subconscious or hyperconscious mind that you rarely use in the modern conformist society. Divination can come from 2 sources. It's either a spirit is trying to help you or your own intuition/higher self. Working with spirits and with your own intuition when you don't have the proper energy flow can be tiring if you don't have the necessary energies to supply the spirit or your intuition. You literally get "tired of yourself". Also in some cases it's not the amount of questions but what type of question you ask. Not every question can be answered with a yes or no and "whoever answers" gets real tired of your questions. Most of the times the spirits might explain that the question is not just wrong but based upon misconceptions and a wrong question can be answered only with a wrong answer. >Or could it be something with the stone I'm using? Divination is all about your own intuitive divination ability. If the divinatory tool "doesn't feel right" then look for something that feels right. That's the main rule. Follow your intuition. Divine for a better divination tool. lol

>>5678 So I guess it'll get better with practice. I'm also trying to start with Robert Bruce Energy Work exercises regularly but it's so laborious at the beginning.. >Not every question can be answered with a yes or no >Most of the times the spirits might explain that the question is not just wrong but based upon misconceptions and a wrong question can be answered only with a wrong answer. Yeah I know the basics of asking questions. I try to make them simple, easily understandable, something 'a computer could understand', but I haven't been asking anything complicated yet. I hope it's my higher spirit answering me and I'm not boring random spirits with stuff like "Is the matchbox I've thrown lying with the marked side up." Also one time the pendulum just swung left and right instead of spinning and that was when the matchbox didn't fall flat but on the edge. Peculiar because with pure logic the answer would be no. >Divine for a better divination tool. lol For now I'll use a metal keyring on a string. I thought it might be too light but it spun visibly when I picked it up. Up to this point my readings weren't very reliable but I feel I'd like a wooden pendulum. Thanks for the reply lol

>>5622 Are you the same anon that told me about my spirit guides in the guide thread? Just curious.

What happened to the /sunflower/ BO?

>>5692 No, I'm a new poster :) >>5696 See picrel. Once the 'Sunflower Project' has ended he gave up the board and disappeared. Pic is from Sunflower General 7. That's all I know lol.

>>5696 Nothing. He's still here, acting like he's a regular /fringe/ poster.

>>5712 What makes you think that?