>>7814 I'm sure they have a name for it in physics, but it's basically the energetic analogue to not being able to mesure a particle without disturbing it (by bumping a photon or an electron against it). Perception is interaction. Think of a blind man touching something to check it out. Literally all perception is analogous to that. Physical or subtle. Even metaphysically, you can't examine an idea without interacting with it, and thus altering it even so slightly with your own. Incidentally, this is why secrecy in magic and manifestation techniques is recommended. But that's a broader topic.

>>7816 Thanks that helped

>>4768 (OP) Something fringe happened to me today. I do not practice ritual magic, I only read some books on the subject with the perception of philosophy or curiosity i never performed any ritual and the truth for me the rituals are only superstitions or routines (lies or some faith thing) that work by placebo or faith and maybe some sensation must cause rituals in practitioners but nothing more. So I am an atheist of the subject, I see it from the psychology as a psychodrama or something like that. >So... Today something really bad happened to me, enough to make me angry (I rarely get angry) when I walked away from there and came home I just had intrusive thoughts (the entire way to home and in home) of why someone useless like me exists arguing that there are people with more value than me. When I got home I greeted my family (the few I have) and was somewhere between self-deprecation and self-destructive-suicide think and anger and hatred of others. I tried to pretend to be calm but I was about to burst into rage and tears and go into the darkness of a corner and want to disappear. I went to take a bath thinking it would improve my mood and as the water ran down my face I remembered all those stupid ritual guide books that I don't even remember perfectly and decided to perform one my own way (in the bath) >Also I put my two hands on my chest, looked up high with my eyes closed while the water fell on my face and head causing me a tickling sensation, removed one hand (my right) from my chest leaving the other (my left) and making a greeting sign I chanted verbose and as if imitating a long reverberation name that to me sounded Egyptian or some bullshit like that. I sang that, changed my position (my feet and body) to my left, back, right and forward again performing the same routine in the same direction with a pseudo-Egyptian babbling nonsense names chant. I felt strange, as if I had a slight warmth in my back. After I finished that, I took my two hands off my chest, opened up into a two-handed salute position and said a last name that I don't even remember anymore. Then my skin crawled a little, I felt a little cold and I swear my anger went away. As if instinctively I understood that it is not healthy to get angry for things I can't control, as if my internal monologue told me that and i ended all. It's been a while since that bath and I feel that nothing can make me angry and the intrusive thoughts are gone I don't know if it was the bath, that pseudo-ritual or my daydream (maybe im tired) that has me now a little stupid and thoughtful. >Also The strange thing is that I think it (the thing i do) is the worst kind of ritual, I did not visualize anything, I did not use associations or symbols, concentrate energies nor did I say anything with magical meaning or somethimg, however I feel calm as if I never got angry, I feel like a click effect, like something brief that happened and now I already forgot, maybe it is just a placebo or self-deception but I think it worked just for relaxing. Maybe copium but who knows, still good.

Too long I've had far too many long nights of the soul. I'm pissed anons. If this magic stuff this collective will works than I want to see Sciencetology quake with fear in all senses till even the very foundation their very headquarters falls into the mire like the House of Usher.

Ok than use magic to supernaturally punch it.

>>7852 Scientology is a grey alien creation, don't mess with them or they'll duct and abduct you. Just saying.

If the Grey aliens be real than they need to stop being assholes and take responsibility for their actions! If they're watching come at me Grey's! Let's chat over breakfast.

>>7852 Ironically, you should read Dianetics. It will help you.

>>7852 >>7911 Literally Hubbard made up a Magick system costumed with pop psi pulp-fiction, fly-saucers and Occult (and very hidden) Esoterism philosophy and some Thelema (a lot)-GD-Theosophy. He just deleted all of that later for sectarian and money ways but he still wanted moon child and do maniac magic hurting people (his wife and sons) Irony in a way, his sons turned to be Thelemites later in life. https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/38054582/#q38055278 >Also For me is just a schizoid bad man maniac who hurt a lot of people. Crowley was a asshole sex addict but he's not that bad to be "The beast 666"

Hi again i that anon >>7823 Anyone know more or have some books on "Vocal magic" or "Vow-vowel magic" like these of the PGM? >Why you want that? I still dont know, i like the greeks maybe and want more knowledge. I find this >>7823 kinda similar to this chaos magic ritual https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b7zj-Jtqstc Less and simple is more than a lot for me, and i just made up all. Maybe i made up a personal ritual? >Also Since the day I performed that pseudo-ritual I had no more reason to get angry, I really start to believe that it had a meditative effect on me, something like it gave me more self control and I thought twice about the next stupid thing I was going to say (or do) Although the day I performed it I noticed a shadow behind the door of my bathroom, I am sure it was just my mind tired and my paranoid imagination bacause that thing just pop one second when turned light on and dosnt give fear or something i was just "ha, that thing you see when you sleep bad... nice". Sometimes happened to me when sleep very little (maybe altered state of mind working or me just mindfucking bacause tired mind) Nothing paranormal or bad happened later, i feel kinda ok. I read on the internet that after executing a ceremonial ritual well like these of the GD (and get some "effect") some people have nightmares but it was not my case. I think I even sleep better even though I don't have nightmares or dreams. I guess since I only saw it as a placebo and I don't think I was invoking or channeling some kind of energy nothing paranormal happened. I was doing some reading and it seems that in the Thelema rituals they have a ritual that work similar to a fear exposure therapy. Maybe im too atheistic or have doubt on everything but ritualistic behaviour can be healthy without fears or supersticious "things". Maybe i need more mindfucking me to turn into fringe but i like more the meditative effect on me than other magical things. Maybe this is the "fast way" of the Buddhist of the Tibet...

>>7940 I know almost nothing about scientology or Hubbard, but I have read Dianetics cover to cover, and there's nothing about any of that in it. It's a manual on taking the main steps in the great work, as it were. It was intended to be a manual for helping others, but if you apply the principles to yourself (you will have to figure out how on your own, however), you will achieve alchemical marriage, or at least get on the path to achieving it. Like Ingo Swann did.

How do you tell an atheist that he won't be an atheist for long?

>>7969 Very carefully.

>>7985 Like throwing rocks at an old minefield. The rocks might merely bounce on the ground without hitting anything or the whole thing explodes. Explaining it to these sad indoctrinated people that the myths and beliefs of the entire human history might had some basis and they didn't figure everything out in the past 200 years??? And explaining why schizophrenia, psychosis is still a thing even nowadays that they didn't really cure with meds just merely sedated the patients? Explaining why schizos share similar stories out of nowhere? Then getting into the soviet and CIA psychic research programs? Telling them that they started up the "process" and their veil of ignorance will not hold for long and they either find God or learn to become one is their only choice left? But in some cases the right choice is to sit back and let the process play out. The clues are everywhere after all.

>>7969 Ask him about Aphateism or Secular humanism. The cosmology and aliens are kinda meh to the topic to me, maybe the guy believe on panspermia or wathever. >Also I never give a shit about god, gods (maybe) or dogma or how whatever make the world, universe etc I have more interest on the today, the mind. "maybe" the gods or something live there. But that still sound like pseudoscience or pop pulp fictions for underages, still we need more research on these things (im not talking about mystical quantum or some shit pop psichology like freud or jung that's not have much science) Maybe it's just our mind and that's it. Maybe there's no more and reality is very simple. We are and make our own gods, who knows. Maybe we are machines of lies or something.

>>8020 >Maybe it's just our mind and that's it.

>>8027 >Kybalion >Mind principle I dont believe in the Kybalion. The Kybalion to me it's just new tought pop metaphysics for new agers with self help with some aesthetic magic legendary background and very simple cosmogony bullshit for new agers and new tought followers with cero confidence on magic, self cosmogony or science. A lie for the sheep following a guru and not the true knowledge on his own will more close to the old Metaphysics than the modern physics and knowledge. Still, i have more respect for true Hermetism philosophie books and not the simple and pop new tought. When i say mind i refer to >>8020 >we need more research on these things (neuroscienses and new tech approachs of the future) <im not talking about mystical quantum or some shit pop psichology like freud or jung that's not have much science (old psychology, mere pseudoscience of today) These thing rarely interact with other real science fields (they just say freud this, jung this, deepak choopra this) >We are and make our own gods, who knows. Maybe we are machines of lies or something. (We are making reality but not the mere beliefs, post-modern approach follow this but human mind it's not a esencialist-subjetive approach, it's a material thing. maybe self lies are a way to masking the human mind like the belief and dogmas control our lives in the other extreme of the horseshoe Hardcore Belief- Hardcore Self lies) maybe that's the way why chaos guys say switch belief make you a incredible mage maybe have more relation to memetic warfare and religion but the first is still a parascience and the second is slowly killed by science. The bicameral mind and the tulpas thing still sound fringe to me, some guys say they're just mind masking loniless but who knows. My Tulpa told me interesting things but i still believe it just my own mind-head business and not a mystical thing. >Also I think slowly we're going to get more knowlege on what happening on the head and the religions are going to get dead, the perennial philosophy are going to get absolute dead or lost and we are going to get the new age of knowledge of the mind, maybe a new perennial philosophy based on science and not supersticious esoteric old school books (Universalism, Secular Humanism or some psypowers atheist no-organized or dogmatic with high moral-civil religion shit) yeah very utopic like new age. Maybe chaoism and other post-modern approach are going to get new ideas with this. Who knows. >and the problems? The monopoly of knowledge and tech. The powerfull people are very probably try to use it on bad ways like every beatiful fucking thing that humans make and they can turn this into a weapon or control tool.

>>7985 xD

>>8033 I think you are underestimating how many people are actually religious, and how much culture is interwoven with religion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations You can just check here for a quick idea^ More and more people are questioning science, this notably manifested in the openly anti-science movement which elected Trump by majority vote in one of the largest countries. Looking at the map, the country with the highest % of atheists is China, meaning your choice will not be between some "scientific" liberal democracy vs "superstition", but the range of choices available will be >islam >evangelical >catholic >orthodox >hindu >buddhist >some other national religion vs >communism Rather it looks like science is being driven out, after it has been shown to just be a tool used by politicians of the liberal left, used to push made up fake theories like "climate change" and "gender studies" and other nonsense.

>>8039 >Anti-science That more like anti woke than anti-science The problem why evangelical freak become against non biblical explanation of thing bacause they feel emptyness of the dogma given thing to the "plot or god of the holes" the memetic warfare worked bacause the identity politcs of americans are kinda easy and safe place to turn dialectical communism like the chinese. Kinda easy for for politician. The country is fucked up and still talking about social and identity topics witch zero effort on economical and more focuses on shity social-cultural or foreign wars >meaning your choice will not be between some "scientific" liberal democracy vs "superstition" I dont believe that, believe it's gonna be more like "Comunnity" vs "Gov" than that. The state-goverment still can be dictatorial being lefty-woke or meme-right, but the communities can have science view, christian and other still, i believe the chinese and goverment are going to mindfuck all in other ways to destroy communities it's more cyberpunk state fucking us to me. >the range of choices available will be Slowly internet are gonna become a free-driven of freaks and gatekeeped people, maybe people are going to become secular humanist or erisian just by the jokes bacause Christianity and core religion are to much lame to some people. The internet are a self-loop of new ideas this why chienese control it, the normies eat shit very fast, this can be good or bad for humanity. and we all know the gov will use the religion as a psyop That what i believe gonna happen that it, or they are going to become radical in a political way like ted k against industrial society or some hardcore shit like nazifags bacause "racial things" ignoring the gov fucking us >Rather it looks like science is being driven out, after it has been shown to just be a tool used by politicians of the liberal left, used to push made up fake theories like "climate change" and "gender studies" and other nonsense. That's the other radical point of left of the axis The other point of the goverment control is >>8033 >The monopoly of knowledge and tech. >The powerfull people are very probably try to use it on bad ways like every beatiful fucking thing that humans make and they can turn this into a weapon or control tool. <gender studies I dont believe in that shit, maybe on the negative aspect of "wtf are'ya doing % tranny today" but anyway. >Climate change Every year i check the temperature and climate and every damn year is more and more fucked up, maybe i can tell you that HAARP is trolling my country or the climate change is fucking us but there are "things not related to climate change coming from outer space and the sun". and that sound very simple of a lot of thing happening if you know, europe is fucked up these years with their climate things So if you get me it's not gonna be "scientific" liberal democracy vs "superstition". I more on favour of secular humanism than the dogmatic approach. Maybe the traditions agains gov can be good. Secular buddhism sound cool but still the same >tl;dr Radicals (political or religious) and the gov are going to destroy the communities and for them doesnt matter the core dogma or political view.

Has anyone here on /fringe/ ever done the Abramelin ritual? Also what is a good second ritual to do after making the lbrp a habit? I have heard good things about the lesser invoking ritual of the pentagram, the middle pillar ritual, and the star ruby ritual, but I can't start all of them at the same time that would be unsustainable.

>>8058 >Also what is a good second ritual to do after making the lbrp a habit? I did Bearheart's LBRP and Middle Pillar more than a decade ago for some years in my neophyte/early initiate years. I learned it from one of his videos but here some PDFs that I have on my HDD about it. His MP really was something. Every time I did the area around my spine started sweating like crazy. Made me realize that it is really doing something "outside my imagination". I didn't use ritual tools tho. I am one of those that believe that the body is the only necessary tool we need on the material plane. But there was a time when I had to acknowledge the importance of some ritual tools. So use whichever feels right. The main reason I didn't need physical tools because my visualization was always top notch. Like being able to see the object and even cause pain with the blade of the sword or feel the heat it emanates. If you cannot do it on this level ritual tools can help a lot. I was always in the MIND OVER MATTER crew so I avoided them as much as possible. LBRP and Middle pillar is definitely compatible. You should do them at least for 2 weeks or until you get comfortably used doing them. Once that is done you can try other rituals too. But you should do them at different time periods of the day. Rituals usually apply an energetic formation or "buff" in MMO terms. It's important to let that energetic formation sync up with your body and spirit. Doing too many rituals at once haphazardly can make the energies jumble up or they cancel each other out. In edge cases they can cause anomalies if they hit a larger energy block. >I have heard good things about the lesser invoking ritual of the pentagram Once you get used to the LBRP you might switch to that. And star ruby is supposed to be a more elaborate version of the LBRP. But I never did that so I am unsure if it's better or not. >Has anyone here on /fringe/ ever done the Abramelin ritual? I didn't really seen it mentioned much a decade ago and that was the last time when I was listening to online neophyte/initiate media. I don't even know which one this might be even. Most of the psychic/occult youtube channels I followed vanished or they deleted their videos once they got too spooked. Youtube occultism carries it's own risk. And haters are their least issue. This is why I never subbed to anyone from fringe. I considered it a bad luck to do that Here the short Beartheart PDFs I had laying around. They might be quite outdated tho.

How about no. Don't even know what the fuck I was thinking coming to this board. Damn fool I am.

>>8058 >Has anyone here on /fringe/ ever done the Abramelin ritual? The closest I've done is The Headless Rite, and my magic improved a whole lot. I won't go into details, but measurably so.

>>8070 See you tomorrow!

Hmm... Minerva...

>>8062 I got reminded by >>8081 (699) that the lbrp i am doing is jewish. Should I switch entirely to the goods lbrp and mp? A lot of youtube channels say that they good results with the traditional lbrp and middle pillar. What should I do, stick with the traditional lbrp and mp or switch to the goods version? I hate how every ritual has to have something hebrew about it in western esotericism. Does it even matter which version I use? Seems like then traditional lbrp is way more popular and well known than the goods version. Is it hypocritical to hate jews and then use hebrew words in my ritual? I saw someone on /fringe/ during the pandemic say that he thought jews only put hebrew on the qabbalistic tree of life to keep natsocs away. More recently someone on /fringe/ said even evola said that the kabbalistic tree of life has merit. I feel like I am lost without a compass now and cannot find my way.

>>8098 btw i feel most attracted to the traditional lbrp energetically speaking. Will this just fuck me over with no benefit?. Sorry for the double post.

>>8098 ONA people claim the kabbalah tree of life is "older than Jews" and relate it to the planets. This just sounds like cope to me, since the popular version is literally derived from the "flow" of God's manifestations in the first sections of Genesis, where he in original Hebrew is named in 11 different ways. 10 of those made it into the kabbalah tree of life as the Sephiroth spheres. But the Genesis text itself is in my opinion just a complex way of in text describing how energy moves in the body, from the top of the head and down through the organs. There is a focus on talking about the heart in chabad theory, which corresponds to one Sephiroth, for example. Pic related tree of life doesn't name the Sephiroth (emanations of God), but I don't personally feel the placement of the planets have any meaning here, except for Neptune which is correctly placed as the Crown, since Neptune/Poseidon is the actual object of worship in Judaism. It bears a more traditional weight if you can relate it to an actual well known doctrine than just some British "witch" whose source is "I channelled it in the 1960s." I know saying this will probably anger any ONA associate reading this, but then point me to an explanation for why the planets should be on the Sephiroth instead of the different names of God, when the tree itself, including it's inconsistencies, came from "Jewish" mysticism based on the Torah. Until someone can bring up this original grimoire which predates the Torah and explains this better, I will consider this usage rubbish, possibly made up by MI6.

What was Soma, really? I doubt it was simply a plant, as the cuckademics theorize. in fact if it was physical at all I would guess some kind of human body fluid like pineal gland juice or some shit

>>8098 I wanted to make several threads explaining this but life and my practice didn't leave me with enough time to post. But I will try to make a summary now. I too had the problem you are facing now and I knew I would need to explain it to you because "western occultism" is a mix of Egyptian/Roman/Greek myths, Jewish mysticism, paganism and watered down eastern traditions which were not as available 200 years ago as today. And it has either paganistic or christian "flavors". If it wants to appease christians it will have a jewish flavor if it hates christian moralists/dogmatists it will have a pagan flavor. See Hitler and Mussolini. Hitler had the germanic aryan paganist ideal while Mussolini wanted to restore the Vatican as much as possible because they represented the roman empire quite long and Mussolini was quite reluctant to give the jews to Hitler. They were allies but they didn't really share the same ideologies. When I was getting into the occult that was the time when Bearheart was active then he vanished for a while. I did the planetary Kabbalah because I liked the idea that I am working with Roman gods instead with jewish names. Back then I thought the names are interchangeable. Like Mars/Geburah Saturn/Binah etc. It wasn't exactly wrong but it wasn't right either. The thing is >>8103 what he says is something quite disputed in many occult circles for a reason. Jews didn't really "invent" their mysticism either. They also copied many things from Egypt, Babylon and other neighboring tribes. When I worked with vampires who were using the higher version of the Kabbalah they told me that the jewish Kabbalah is "Mosesism". Kabbalists are trying to become Moses. They are trying to trace back their history to find the "roots" that Moses found to utilize it the same way as he did. Which came from the burning bush/God/Moses and from Egypt itself. Moses tried his best to teach the Rabbis but he couldn't complete the tradition. That is why jews tried to "find their way" as they tried to evolve their mysticism. That is why Solomon and many more prophets including Jesus reinterpreted the whole Torah several times. It holds many secrets but it's incomplete. Bearheart "freaked out" that by saying the jewish names he actually invokes archonic forces to mark him as their "lunch" and that is why he went into the planetary direction. After he made his GOODS speeches he vanished for a while and I was never big on occult communities and I don't know what transpired in his life. I know that now he has a wife, a kid and a patreon but I am not really following him anymore. If anyone wants to talk about him they can get ahead because I was never big on occult drama. Now back to the Kabbalah >>8103 >But the Genesis text itself is in my opinion just a complex way of in text describing how energy moves in the body, from the top of the head and down through the organs What he said is true. Kabbalah is supposed to be a "training wheel" to awaken your body and energy circuits. But this method was not "Invented" by the jews. It came from the Osiris myth. Osiris was taken apart by Set and his sisterwife Isis put him together with magic but a fish ate his dick. Familiar? Jews also get "part" of their dick eaten. Nobody knows why... The kabbalah separates each bodypart into a "Sephiroth". While they are bodyparts they are actually different realms or "laws" of God(because the names of G-d are law itself). As you invoke the laws you purify your mind/body/soul to finally attain the perfect energy flow from Kether itself. When jews "borrowed" these traditions they also "renamed them" to fit the Torah. Why? Because it turned out many of the rituals that they borrowed was "referenced" in the Torah "in a way" and if they switch the names it works and they didn't commit heresy. This is why New Agers also tried to push that Christ/Krishna consciousness so they can sell it to the Christian dogmatists. Personally I am not using this version of the Kabbalah for quite long. The World Tree opened itself up to me and many entities from different realms explained what I need to do. It turned out that my ancestors also worked with the world tree in the pre-Christian shamanistic era and there are still some weirdos that work with it. The Kabbalah is a good conceptual model but it's incomplete so don't consider it as a "complete truth". You will have to find the missing pieces yourself. But it's a good starting point. I wanted to make a thread about this for neophytes and for some initiates to remind them what is that they need to focus on once they want to get into magic. Currently your most important task is to start practicing. Make magic practice a part of your everyday life. >>8099 If you feel attracted to the traditional lbrp then do that. As a neophyte you have 2 main tasks. Practice and find what works. Find what resonates with you well and use that. >Will this just fuck me over with no benefit? You need practice and experience. Even if you make mistakes it's important that you learn from it. Using LBRP doesn't make you a puppet of the Illuminati. It's not how it works. And I hate to say this but now that I look back at my years I have to agree that the GOODS version is the equivalent of "bullshit occultism". I am not saying it doesn't work but changing the planets and the Sephirots is not exactly compatible. You will need to go with the Roman gods instead but if you do that it requires a different ritual and initiation system. And Wicca muddles things even further but that doesn't mean the methods don't work. When I started to work with entities that represented the realms my magic improved 1000 folds but I cannot say I didn't gain much from the planetary Kabbalah either. If you feel that a youtuber looks trustworthy follow their advice and start doing the rituals. Having a "sense" for finding good advice is important in the beginning. If it works use if not try to understand why it doesn't work. Just because you use jewish names you will not become the property of the jews. These rituals will help you awaken your energies and once your sight becomes clearer you will have the chance to work with other entities, rituals or traditions. >Is it hypocritical to hate jews and then use hebrew words in my ritual? Personally I will ask something from you. Try to write down what you hate in the jews. And what you hate personally and don't use natsoc meme answers. The reason why I say this because they are not as cohesive as the memes make them appear. Yes they stick together but there are the degenerate atheist/gay/mundane jews that almost every other jew hates. Then the militant "Israelis" aka Nyetanyahu supporters that every leftist hates nowadays. Then the Kabbalists and other "modern" jewish mysticists who are always controversial in jewish and magic communities too and you have the Orthodox jews that dislike most Kabbalists for being heretics. Very few amount of Jews are capable of being on good terms with Kabbalists and Orthodox alike. What I dislike about the jews is their parasitic behavior but i have nothing against pious jews. As long as they don't mutilate others and push their detrimental agendas on others I don't care about them. Ofc you might never meet or see a single "good jew" in your entire life. Those in media, business and politics are rarely pious by any metrics. Hating them is normal. Hating them is not "anti-semitic". They literally use other jews as their shield and jews started to notice that. Even the jews jewing themselves and even they notice it. The hebrew tradition has it's purity but you will not see it if you look at the current state of the jews. Nuance is important here. >saw someone on /fringe/ during the pandemic say that he thought jews only put hebrew on the qabbalistic tree of life to keep natsocs away Truth is, if the Führer had more chance to develop his aryan mysticism, we would have an aryan Tree of Life today. Never forget about Yggdrasil. But sadly the myths we have about Yggdrasil is even scarcer than the Kabbalah. Not easy to work with that. The reason why I post with the Iron Pill is because I found the entrance into the Great Tree years ago and I didn't really learn my way from books or youtube videos. I had to learn to discard the many retardation and misconceptions that I learned from the web to shed my "bullshit occultism". But bullshit is a good fertilizer. You will need to find what works and do it and discard the rest. Try to keep an open mind but always stay vigilant because 70% of the things that you will read and learn is pure bullshit. You will have to find that miraculous 30% as you practice them. Truth is everywhere. You just need to find it. Try to feel what works. Oh and some jews are reptilians so GOODS being hellbent on killing them while using their magic might have caused some drama for them. But the Kabbalah is not reptilian magic. It's just you cannot really use jewish magic to hurt the jews especially if they follow the commandments while you don't. And Wiccans don't really follow the commandments with their faggotry. But that is an another story >>8070 I wonder what triggered you and I wonder how many people will my current post trigger.

>>8103 I read somewhere that the kabalah tree goes back to Gnostic, Hellenistic and Persian, Semitic Chamanistic (Pre-Monoteistic yavhism nationalism) practices but I don't know. I remember saw a photo of persians rock-archeology thing or some semitic thing with something oddly similar to the tree (and not, i not talking of sumerians but maybe related. Persians zoroasters maybe?) The practice of making word trees was common in ancient times (like the chronograms of today) the greek and other do it. the jew kinda made up the system for guide or take it from some other place, who knows. Some fringe speculations talk about tibet buddhist on egypt or mid-orient, very bizarre to me to believe it. (Im not talking about late greek buddhist) There're gnostic draws with something similar to a tree with something look similar to essences and emanations but who know if is related to much to jews. >also That guy, Dr.sledge kike hat owner gun whatever name talked about that on his jewtube channel. Kinda interesting topic he sometimes talk some fringe things about old times pre-jews, jews and yahvhist jews, christians and islam and europeans for the lulz Min 12:23 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mhGXgegKeS And this Min 9:50 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ygAsMjgnOY&pp=ygUWRXNvdGVyaWNhIGdub3N0aWMgYm9vaw%3D%3D >>8098 >>8099 Chaoist made up some rituals bacause gods and jew things doest felt attached to today. I dont know anon, if it work for you. It's work. Still, remember there're alternatives and other made up rituals with some changes. >Also The middle pillar is original of the GD? Or i confused with the Kaballistic Cross? I kinda Oxided to remember.

>>8110 >Soma I theorize it's just alcohol with some drugs, semen, sugar and blood with menstruation and some mushrooms and real human shit but who knows. Maybe any trippy thing to hand. But that's to much edgy to me (Le Cake of light say Crowholy but maybe not the cake that Delicious want lol)

>>8113 >>8115 Of course, when I said >>8103 >Until someone can bring up this original grimoire which predates the Torah and explains this better, I will consider this usage rubbish, possibly made up by MI6. Almost instantly I was approached by a "niner entity" who gave me an astral grimoire. It took me a while to grasp how it relates, but I'll try to explain it. I modified the tree of life to what I've found myself in my practice since I started studying kabbalah around 7 years ago. There is some connection to the symbolism of the planets, but this is only in terms of their usage as related to the organs. If you don't see the connection to the body, there is no logic in their placements. The astral grimoire basically explains the 9 angles which are kabbalah using a "name of God" made up of 9 characters, instead of the Jewish 4, spelled in Roman letters as YHVH. These 4 letters represent a Hebrew character, each with a symbolic meaning, spelling out >immaterial, unmanifested (God before creation) >immaterial, manifested (the word, the law) >material, manifested (creation, the earth, man) >material, unmanifested (destruction and rebirth) These 4 forms, are also shown in the 4 readings of the Torah: >symbolic >allegoric >literal >as parable These are also present in there being 4 Gospels in the New Testament. So Jewish kabbalah could be called "Order of Four Angles" comparatively. This gets us to the point: Order of Nine Angles does the exact same thing, but it has 9 worlds instead of 4, because it's not created by humans of this planet. It would spell God's name with 9 letters.

>>8123 The use of the Kabbalah tree is to illustrate the connections implied by the Torah during Kabbalistic reading, so you don't have to just visualize it mentally. How you use the understanding is up to you, I personally find it helpful in cultivating different principles and functions related to different body organs and celestial bodies. It serves as a map to identify for example how to solve some personal issue in your life.

>>8110 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soma_(drink) This wiki link explains many aspects of it already but I will share my takes if it helps. There are many psychoactive plants and other psychoactive concoctions. When Jesus made wine from water he merely charged water with intoxicating energies. It becomes quite simple once your energy work gets superb. Blessing food on steroids. Many spiritual drinks were usually "blessed" in some way. But yes the body also can secrete ecstatic and psychoactive energies after cultivation,yogic practice or with the help of a master. Amrita/nectar can be produced by the body. But the truth is wine served as a spiritual drink in many traditions but it was not the same as the commercial wine we drink today. I had drank similar wines in my ancient past lives and modern wine doesn't compare to it today. And if I am at sharing personal experiences already. The first channeling I had was when I got drunk on 2 bottles of red wine in my teens while staring at a certain constellation on the night sky. After the channeling ended I instantly sobered up. It was mostly the sky's doing and not the wine... Alcohol makes my mind usually foggy and useless. I didn't manage to replicate that experience. In the past years I found out how you can make "blessed drinks" that activate parts of the mind but I stopped doing that. It creates too much madness and makes me too manic.