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>I am mostly talking about beginners in magic here which may not have proper protections and it's not like all of us have to deal with that kind of destructive energies.
Yes. We lack the basic green pill starter packs nowadays. Unsure how to remedy that
>All this come with experience you need to make mistake but also don't be too retarded.
This is something everyone needs to understand
>Fasting depending on your nature and focus can make you sink to the bottom of the earth instead of uplifting; you become one with the waters this makes you even more sensitive to the weakest psychic phenomena which can lead to a lose of focus and temporary insanity
Been there. That is why Buddhism preaches the middle road so much. Fasting for fasting sake, asceticism for asceticism's sake leads nowhere. Everyone needs to know how they can handle the highs and lows of spirituality and understand the role of temperance.
>Everyone's is responsible for themselves and i don't think it's clear enough in a world where our emotional needs are met on a touchscreen.
No touchscreen, no book, no religion or cult can tell you what you are. They can show you directions or present you some hints, but there is no guarantee for success if you cannot see yourself and know who you are.
>Just as the spiritual must be focused on the material must be used as a stable ground from which one can progress.
>Some things must be dealt with in the flesh whilst some can be dealt by going inward.
>This depends on the lessons one want and where they want their success to be.
Exactly.
>Hard to say on stability i sense a lot of people have grounding issue these days
People are in a "media psychosis" nowadays. Wanted to explain how we are on the "bread and circus timeline" several times. What makes you angry and fearful? What you consume as physical or mental nourishment? What kills you mentally, emotionally, physically and spiritually nowadays? Ragebait media and harmful chemicals in the food.
We have infinite amount of food and media to consume, yet we are lost in a specific way nowadays we barely understand nowadays. There is "No ground" or "common ground" to sit on. Most people barely walk on the soil because they live in concrete jungles in their whole lives. This is something our ancestors didn't have to deal with hundreds of years ago. We are not "made for this". We have to figure out how we can prosper in these situations.
>with our elders having no idea what they are doing and a changing landscape
In the past 200 years every "Prophet" says how the new world order is coming. Schizos think because the elites have planned it. Not exactly. The change is coming because it must come. What we are doing now is not sustainable. If there is food then there is life. But life is not all about "consuming food". But we are blind to the next stages currently.
Education is all about paper and screens nowadays. There is no spirit in it.
If the spirit is gone then so will the earth with it.
Yes. The "elites" want to be the NWO, but they are absolutely incompetent to do it right.
Which means everyone needs to figure out what is the "way" they can "find themselves" in this collapsing system of lies and ineptitude. Our elders have been taught wrong. So were their elders. How can we expect anything from them? We need to go back hundreds if not thousands of years to find the "working strains" of our own DNA. They just passed the baton. They didn't forge it. Not everyone was meant to see the "message" that was passed on since forever.
I was agreeable so far, but this is the arena. Time to turn up the heat.
>I think advice like "talk to spirits" are irresponsible
>If you live in a bad place you won't meet good spirits easily instead you'll be a lending ears for insane ones and suffer more in some case as it's the only way they get any attention from humans.
If you want to be an accomplished magician then you cannot skip this part. Thelema and Wicca preaches the LBRP and other banishing rituals for a reason. So you can get rid of your evil spirits before you do "any" magic at all. Talking to spirits is the equivalent of going outside and talking to people. Doesn't mean you need to talk and "agree" with every person outside. But you must know your neighbors and GET RID OF THEM if necessary.
>I also dislike telling people to just fight back as some forces are bigger and it's more efficient to make yourself difficult to prey upon rather than going scorched earth on forces you don't understand.
Understanding is the key. Some forces can be understood with words alone while others with fists and blades only.
>Sometimes you can't force it as you're fighting a system and not just a mere bad idea.
"Systems" require a better understanding. It has patterns, centers and weakspots. And in some cases there is no need to directly "fight" a system when you can make use of it. Sometimes they are enormously oversized egregores doing Godzilla vs King Kong through centuries. You can either pick a side or gtfo. You either watch the fireworks or go and do something more productive with your life instead.
>example would be fighting an evil entity and having your entire family turn on you as they are under rule of a bigger one who own the one you vanquished
This is an unclear example, but I will try to explain the strategies here.
I had to put down a rule or a "law". That if ANYONE touches my family then they have to deal with me. Their personal karma is one thing and I let it play out if they can play out on their own, but outsider spiritual interference is not allowed.
>as they are under rule of a bigger one who own the one you vanquished
They they have to SHOW THEMSELVES and explain their "principles". There is a difference in "lawbound" and "chaotic" entities. Lawbound entities don't care as long you don't break their "law" and even if you do that they must give you a "way" to remedy the situation. It can be tricky and you must watch for the "law" and not how the entity interprets said law. Some entities are extremely dogmatic and uncreative. If the law is broken then they are mad. But if you find ways how to remedy the situation they are willing to "listen". But it depends on your charisma and your spiritual "street rep" how they treat you. And some of them pretends to be hot shit with no substance when they know you are gullible for these things. Always watch out with that.
>what are you gonna do punch them all?
I dislike saying things like this because it might get some foolish and reckless people into trouble... but it needs to be said. What if I will punch each and everyone? What if I will go and hunt down their signatures on all planes of existence? What if I will remove them because they have no value for anything and anyone? Many entities understand this and willing to become "suddenly" reasonable as a result. Intent and presence is the key. They know when they are in a deep shit and the balance of power is not in their favor.
No need to destroy the "whole system". Sometimes their anchor that is in your "reality" can be removed and they are gone or you can simply destroy the "branch" of said system that trespasses on your territory. If they are integral part of the world then you might need to find more benevolent forces to replace them or understand the principles and "make your system" that helps things running. Not always easy I know.
This is where nuance comes into play. I started to go with the measure of "sentience". Buddhism tries to help every sentient being. Which means that beings that are nothing, but an amalgamation of negative energies are not exactly "sentient". They are either under influence thus cannot be saved until the influence is removed or there is not even any shred of sentience in them anymore because the "soul" left that husk of negative emotions already. Those "things" that lack sentience are closer to chemical compositions. Once you change an energetic composition in them the whole things breaks apart or gets neutralized. But this is "deep" magic/spirituality. It requires awful amount of experience, experimentation and a specific kind of insight into the nature of things. It is hard to be taught when there is no common/widespread understanding for these elements.
Some evil forces "know" that you will change them. Like a large uncaring hateful/vengeful being "senses" that you will "tame it". If it hates it's own nature then it will be glad that you will remove it's hateful nature that forces it to commit atrocities. If it enjoys it then it will flee or do anything so it can retain in it's "favorite" nature.
Humans tamed wolves into hunting dogs then into pets. It can be done with many entities once you can understand their nature. Taming and enslaving or binding is a different thing tho. Everyone must discover how they can work with spirits. Some can be befriended, some are simple minded and doesn't even need a complex relationship to work with at all. Some are whimsical and their nature changes with the weather. Some are methodical others are passionate.
You will bond with the spirits most compatible with your own nature the best.
Everyone needs to work with spirits after passing the neophyte stage. Why? Because it is unavoidable. You either notice them first or will be noticed. When your power increases and "make waves" others will see you.
Spirits communicate in many ways. Either with signs or through your subconscious, in the beginning at least. Then a direct communication link can be established through rapport once you sync to their frequency/mentality/nature.
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Some spirits are "Landbound", some are energy or mentality bound. You either make peace with your landbound spirits or you gtfo there. Mentality or energy bound spirits on the other hand are the sign of shitty spiritual self defense, bad grounding and unhealthy lifestyles. If you are generating low energies then low energy spirits will latch onto you. For example: Drugs lower your energies and makes you open to these negative entities, not to mention it breaks down several of your subconscious gates. If you are block headed then it can help you to give you a necessary push towards spirituality, but if you are sensitive then it will "Muddle your waters". And it fucks with your natural fire element too which is necessary for the mental faculties and for "potency" when it comes to spiritual warfare.
And the worst part? These spirits are "let in" either by your subconscious forces or by your idiocy. Not to mention some people cannot even differentiate between the spirits and their own subconscious forces/shadow. Both need to be dealt with. It doesn't matter if it is a shadow issue or an evil spirit. Both needs to be dealt with. One way or the other. You cannot let your enemies have their way. They either give you a way for a beneficial relationship or you make one.
Ofc this aggressive approach has it's limits. There are places that don't tolerate it, but they are usually "dominions" of higher forces. You either sync with their "law" or mindstates or you get kicked out. Respect and understanding. That is the key for most interactions. Once you know they are unwilling or unable to understand what respect and understanding means... then it's time to get creative
If you are being abused by spiritual forces all the time then you have to change your approach how you deal with them. Sometimes completely and fundamentally. I have dealt with entities that were able to read my "shadow"/my subconscious, but they were unable to read my intuitive mind. Just switch states or stances. Mental and fighting stances are the same in a way. Different fighting types require different mentalities.
video attached to explain the different ways you can "fight" in magic, you goofy goober