>>13106 I wonder how the egregore of the fictional character that is the self-insert interacts with the guy that the self-insert is of. This most likely relates to the mechanics of how such a comic would influence the writer's life. The people who read the comics create energies "shaped" like the comic book character, whilst understanding the character to be a self-insert. The energies are thus programmed to affect the real person. Would this create an egregore of that fictional version of the person, or would the resultantly-created egregoric energies not create a sentient entity that takes the form of the self-insert version of the guy, and instead attempt to influence the guy's life directly?

>>13106 just make your own religion and create your own myths based on lies and self-fulfilling prophecies like any fucking religion do. The Jews have been like this for centuries (although less if we know that the Jewish identity is relatively modern) is exactly the same for Christians (even the Christian identity if we ignore how Paul of Tarsus distanced them from the Jews by cutting the Judaizing practices) >Also Kek-shit cult tried this way maybe, but trump is a self-propechy bacause the country is fucked up to think that voting do something on democracy. The Romans and chinese do this way. >Another example Did you see Crowley books? teosophy, pajeet cults and even Thelema book call about a gold age, that's how the new age become a thing. >last example even Karl Marx do something similar... not Gnostic but Gnostic in a way, he writed about economy and psychology and changed the mind of the world. maybe, do a manifiesto and see if the thing change.

>>13109 I hadn't thought of the egregore side, it is possible that the characters of the story could become egregores, but I don't think that's what this is about. This is more about highlighting a part of the "soup of possibilities" and working it into manifestation. I don't exclude the possibility that egrogoric-like energy be involved, but if the character is oneself then the energy would go to shape oneself instead of an egregore perhaps. >>13110 Interesting ideas, one could write a story about oneself and gain a cult following, it would have to be a pretty good story for a good effect, but there are lots of possibilities with this, some as of yet unexplored (to my knowledge)

>>13111 This is me, I forgot my flag There is a risk with hypersigils and egregores in that they can take a turn one did not expect, thus one should keep working on them for as long as one can for best results

>>13106 There's exist a therapy that use Tabletop RPGs https://www.dicebreaker.com/categories/roleplaying-game/feature/rpgs-as-therapy-support-workers I read somewhere that people change their character in game based on their life goals, but other time they just change character in game and later they do the life goals like the character. Maybe a self-identification with the character or a placebo that's works but who knows. >Also Maybe sound a little like >sympathetic magic or called imitative magic or contagion magic. like a Voodoo doll or a Clay doll for health.

>>13106 Don't writers of fiction also do this? They insert parts of themselves into the characters and effect the world. I've created multiple personas which I use online whenever I post something. Some people have social media with their own name and face, but they create a fake image of themselves as happy and successful, hoping it will become real. I started practicing this in Chinese MMOs, where I played different characters with more or less of myself represented, or more correctly, I played out different parts of myself to see how I'd act as that character. Some part of this came from having to assume the guild leader role and realizing people expect a certain act from a guild leader, so I created a persona for this role. But it was a bit restricted, so I came up with other characters as well. The game I played ended up being mostly ruled by a number of women with a lot of free time, like housewives and a few lesbian couples who played opposite sex characters ingame because the marriage system was traditional. It created a strange dynamic. I decided to create a lesbian persona with a female character to play with on the side, and found that it was possible to connect with other players in completely new ways. There was also someone who was the funniest player I've ever met anywhere, but when I at some point added her on FB, she turned out being close to seeming legit retarded. But this was completely invisible ingame where she was very attentive and always taking part in events or joining up for party dungeons. All of this showed me just how much you can change the parameters of your own irl persona to remain yourself, but still act as someone else. This way, you can through the social interaction learn to develop the hidden sides of yourself. One of the first times I did this was when I was 15 and was going someplace, and I was worried about how to do things. Then I suddenly had the idea >if this was Final Fantasy 7, what would Cloud have done? So I assumed the role of Cloud and suddenly had endless confidence in myself, and everything worked out fine. That was the moment I really realized that roleplay using fiction is very powerful. You also don't have to tell anyone you are now Cloud from FF7, it works anyway, like an invisible magic power.

>>13111 Here's a thought I just had; if the story with the self-insert isn't written with the intention of the story being a sigil, then how are the energies directed to affect the guy that the self-insert is of in real life? I think the answer would have to be related to egregores. The intention required to create a sigil is absent, but is essentially provided by the programming of the egregoric energies, even if the story's only actual intended purpose is to entertain the readerbase.

>>13117 Its an interesting thought, but again this is a bit different as far as I can tell. Like the other poster said it may be more akin to sympathetic magic, in that he drew this character that was basically a version of himself that he wished to become more like, then he went and became more like the character, but got also into the same kinda trouble as the character did in the narrative. He realized that and made the character gain riches and get girlfriends and then upon releasing that for the public it happened, the author got rich and got girlfriends, since there was this apparent sympathetic connection between the character in the narrative and the author himself. A hypersigil works as a narrative and some form of sympathetic connection between real life physical things/persons and the things/characters in the narrative. I think this may also work with like if you have a friend and you make a narrative about him becoming rich, if its a proper hypersigil he will become rich in the real life physical reality as well. Sigils are a bit different from hypersigils. A sigil is more like a one shot to try to hit something in the dark. A hypersigil is more elaborate, it can link between multiple things and sort of loop in on itself kinda like programming code. Egregores can play into it too, I just hadn't thought of that side of it much before.