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Magick and hypnosis? Anonymous 08/27/2025 (Wed) 05:39:38 No. 14530
I have spent years of my life and now months even more intensely reading books on ceremonial magic, occultism and mysticism and their methods, ethos, theory and techniques. I practiced as much as I could, ignoring the subject of initiations as it was more a factor of symbolism and cultism than something useful. I went from pseudosciences to science and from tantra to crowley sex magick even taoist ideas from chi to golden dawn and traditional Jewish kabbalism to hermetic Christian kabbalah and a traditional Indian chakra system (I tried hard to avoid theosophy, new age, ariosophy ideas and new thought but I ended up reading several authors and even evola) also religious mysticism (christians, sufi, etc) and academic shamanistic studies and even yogas. I feel somewhere between a functional magician in certain periods and an armchair magician in other periods but in the long run I got disappointed and failed to see anything magical like some sensationalist authors like crowley with the HGA (although I had a freaking panic attack with something that sounds alien or angelic to my experience) or bardon or others but still weird thing happened. although mysticism did give me pure psychosomatic-mystical experiences magic and rituals not so much alike. I recently started reading Prometheus rising sometimes i ask myself if its not a secret brainwash guide of the MK-U Glowies and RAW and Timothy know something and other books and ended up by fate reading about hypnosis. It feels so weird but many of the mystical techniques, theory and rituals I learned just clicked with hypnosis techniques so fucking fast, I dare say I went into a trance between mindfulness, focus and tranquility very quickly combining the techniques I learned with hypnosis and modern neuro-studies. >also And something that left me in shock, I was consulting history books about the origins of hypnosis and later syncronicity? of orthodox and heterodox masonic orders as well as their relationship to the magic lodges and... the influence of mesmer is very obvious. I begin to have the strange belief that the western esotericism was only in principle a kind of vitalism-mysticism-spiritism that began with hypnosis and theater like McDojos although I do not know if I could say the same of the PGM or other old grimories (except that the shamans and pagans who made ceremonial mix up of gods are not very different but in these books trance is a part of the threatise) It is as if everything makes sense now, a fucking occult key, I am perplexed.
>>14530 Another thing I read, there are therapies that make use of the human capacity to learn through acting and other unique phenomena of experience and visualization and belief and sensations. Now hypnosis, exposure therapy, psychodrama, tulpa forcing and stanislavski's system do not seem to me so different from magick or shamanism.
Congratulations, you've discovered Chaos Magic. Belief and Will are the core of all magical acts. Everything else is just fluff. Fluff can be useful, of course. But the most powerful truths are always very simple.
>>14530 >Mesmer influence on masonry Wait what? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GYVVtKgIeTE There is more western esoterism history in comment box.
>>14595 >Mesmer Yep, Mesmer and >Amand-Marie-Jacques de Chastenet, Marquis of Puységur These have influence on Masonry lodges (and this guy more on Scientific Hypnosis than Mesmer) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amand-Marie-Jacques_de_Chastenet,_Marquis_of_Puységur He say' to a Masonry lodge course on animal magnetism >I believe in the existence within myself of a power. >From this belief derives my will to exert it. >The entire doctrine of Animal Magnetism is contained in the two words: Believe and Want. >I believe that I have the power to set into action the vital principle of my fellow-men; I want to make use of it; this is all my science and all my means. >Believe and want, Sirs, and you will do as much as I. where's the part he say love under your will? Lol — Marquis de Puységur "Believe and want" I know its not the context but still sound like Chaos Magick and maybe like other systems of belief-placebo-sugestion-magick. >Also You can study history of Pre-Scientific-Hypnosis and the firsts ideas or schools of esoteric thought around it like alchemy to chemist or astrology to astronomy: https://paulkiritsis.net/down-the-rabbit-hole/the-concept-of-dissociation-franz-anton-mesmer-and-the-marquis-de-puysegur/ >The school of traditional materialists. >The school of psycho-fluidists >The school of magnetizers.
>>14530 Yeah, but would you be able to summon pussy and dough at will if you wanted to? Have you even tried? Because if not, you're just an armchair magician. No better than an amateur art historian. You can enjoy the intellectual aspect of it a lot, and I do, but if you can't objectively change your physical reality for yourself and others, you are not a magician. >the influence of Mesmer is very obvious Well, no matter what you call it, it's very obvious for any practicing magician that the underlying mechanism for any kind of magic is what you might call "slipping information in and out of the subconscious". But yeah, congrats on your realization. There's so much more if you practice relentlessly!


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