just to bring out a specific example , it might not make sence why you would need this at first , this is not something that can work well on its own. but I hope that just implies what I mean by paranormal math even more. subjectivity , difficult to define in math. it exists in math up to a point , you can to some point just make your own island of axioms and progress and keep it that way. of course if you are gonna progess in global math , stuff like being conformist and different types of proofs become more important, this math isn't really owned by anyone , the closets it has for a owner is more about vallues , vallues who greatly favors change , change that has to do with improvement with the idea of purifying improving math. but if you are here , you have abandoned global math to sort extent. you can still participate in the comunity of global math , but you do need to get rid of that type of proof based insecurity. you still need to proof stuff to yourself , but you are on your own. which can be both a blessing and a curse. global math conditions comunity skills that will hurt you if you wanna do something independently. but you are still a mathmatician , you just need to look at this from a more personal standpoint and less like a mass ritual that you will never understand. this is not without risk , a lot of people being midwits allow them to understand math stuff they would never otherwise , even if the understanding is incomplete , better than the nothing you are risking. subjectivity exists in math , but of course its more about different territories of otherwise solid islands , only really being subjectivity under some ideals and after this islands being categorise. otherwise they would all report under being objective , the numbers aren't supposed to lie after all. in a way this subjectivity is a form of colition , you can any axiom and if you turn your head and larp a little bit , you can even have any logical exploration you have. but this give your matematical orthers form , form that sometimes can click in with other types of mathematical logic perfectly. but sometimes , specially if you are doing wierd stuff outside of global math. THEY CLASH. and this clashing can be quite horrible , now imagine this clashing either going by what I would call , "comon sence" forced axioms , like somehow you accidentally having a way to make 1+1 =3. more high level "univeral" logic that mathmaticians sometimes call and will use against you if they see contradiction , which at this point if you get unlucky they might get "ownership" of your island , you clearly failed your logical obligations they deserve to own you now. this are in a way the "material" world of math , if only you had something beyond that , something more intangeble , something that might only check out under a paranormal outlook. this is the optional paranormal axiom. to change your mathematical perspective of something to be more subjective , even as its mathematical objective qualities stay the same. a 20m line that can feel like an entire planet without changing the line. Imagine a body of mist that you can control trough suble gracefull movements. this axiom has in a way intagability to contradictions in whatever island were it can enter. its logic governed just by the mist and its gracefull movements can entere and leave everywere you want it too. I visualise it as a bunny but you do you , it is supposed to mostly represent your body. like I said before , without other examples of paranormal math this seems quite useless , its an axiom that seems to not do anything since it just allows you to larp inside of your imagination. but it is sumprinsingly powerfull if used well , I hope this simple example ignites the imagination on other uses that one could make with paranormal math. (and why I think its different from numerology).

Paranormal math crashes markets. >>19694 >Imagine a body of mist that you can control trough suble gracefull movements. >this axiom has in a way intagability to contradictions in whatever island were it can enter. its logic governed just by the mist and its gracefull movements can entere and leave everywere you want it too You can enter into the mind of others with this trick.

>>19739 >Imagine a body of mist that you can control trough suble gracefull movements. Sound like a OBE/ Astral body Shift fist step. >>19694 I dont know if its IA made up or if sound too much to me like Psychobabble... or mere Mathbabble Anyway cool but too much text. >Also Sometimes it gets annoying that some guys create so many weird systems for phenomena that we've been using for a long time and that we don't generalize, but at the end of the day, they're just another new system created with more personal embellishments on something that anyone can replicate with a little time. It's common in the new age for them to keep doing things as if they were new, actually these things we've been doing for a long time from the times of Dion Fortune, Crowley or Regardie. Just (invoke) do often and repeat, if not's work try another thing. dont waste time. >There are other similar methods that take time like this. >RAW Visualize yourself in a imaginary body in a chair next to you >New hermetics 20 century or move your eyes or mind eyes or consciusness from your body to your head and just visualize in the top of your head a door >Sarah brackwood or just visualize a giant door and focus on open it >Qaballah method or do eye-gazing in a mirror and focus in your forehead and try to focus in the effects of scrying and let your mind made up a second-body next to you. (there's a jewish german kaballist that did the same but with imaginary letters rounding around in the mirror and other things) >Timothy Leary or Terence McKenna... or other i dont remember (maybe related to gateway tapes) or focus on a Buzz sound like a alien sound (if you got tinnitus it's more easy or just use sound like old school lucid tapes, self hand made loops with a computer or try some trance techniques) Or use the trance techniques to make the body vibrate (or feel the sensations of vibration) to make the obe work. I had diarrhea one day and had an OBE. It sounds ridiculous, but I had a feeling of vibration in my body. Even my dreams were strange, and one day I even had a lucid dream because of this lol

>>19751 >Sometimes it gets annoying that some guys create so many weird systems for phenomena that we've been using for a long time Who is "we"? Different schools of thought use different terminologies. That is common in esotericism. I am unsure which written sources you base your views around, because it doesn't sound like a coherent system at all. You sound like someone who learned most stuff from /x/ or from other western magic oriented places of the web. Didn't mean it as an insult or anything, so don't get me wrong, but I really can't place you into any proper initiatory system at all.

>>19763 >We >doesn't sound like a coherent system at all I dont want to fight in semantics but that's the point anon of thing that you flag supposed appoint That's why i explained (and you ignored strangely seing you are chaoist) >we don't generalize That is why put some techniques similar with references to the same technique with distint aesthetic, lore or concept. That is why your fellow supposed non-dogmatic (Chaoist) say >"The map is not the territory" And that's is why i just writed >Just (invoke) do often and repeat, if not's work try another thing. >dont waste time. Keep doing and If not work for YOU try another thing. And again >doesn't sound like a coherent system at all It's not need to make sense (dogma) it need to work for you, The map is not the territory (the background is not the system, the belief and techniques are in your mind and acts by pure force) Maybe next time i need to put the Chaoist flag and you the atheist. >I dont get anon I not negating the magick or the techniques, or the system or the belief. I sharing alternatives of the same phenomena that existed before this local determined time (today) bacause i was bored and annoyed of something that look like a new thing when is common. When you just achieved (the invoque often) do the thing, just in that moment inmediatly try another techniques (invoke other spirit-deity) That the point of science or chaos magick, you can just stay in a personal system or personal phenomena or your will going to ruin the paradig shift of chaos and you're going the ruin the method of the science, the way of religion just to make another religion in your self dellusions. Your belief make you a turning point in a prison, a black iron prison. That why belief is the death of intelligence. And again >doesn't sound like a coherent system at all Now the logic is more valid, no need of coherence. But if you want to generalize the technique to a summary, you can do it. >Who are we? You and me, and Me is not you, and your belief is not my belief and my non-belief is absolute free of the process of order over chaos and coherence of your beliefs. But your belief are not free of my chaos, that's why you need order or a dogma to find a lineal thing even Crowley in history do initiations in the same way to each specific human in a non-local determined time bacause each person is its own system of belief and worries that need to shift its self paradigma Just, try and make it work and made it fun. >And re-read the damn book again for more help in philosophy of wathever WE are doing sometimes, maybe, at times, before sleep and during sleep.

>>19739 >>this axiom has in a way intagability to contradictions in whatever island were it can enter. its logic governed just by the mist and its gracefull movements can entere and leave everywere you want it too >You can enter into the mind of others with this trick. interesting? do you mean entering by using numbers or just entering raw.

>>19751 >Sound like a OBE/ Astral body Shift fist step. >Sometimes it gets annoying that some guys create so many weird systems for phenomena that we've been using for a long time and that we don't generalize, but at the end of the day, they're just another new system created with more personal embellishments on something that anyone can replicate with a little time. It's common in the new age for them to keep doing things as if they were new, actually these things we've been doing for a long time from the times of Dion Fortune, Crowley or Regardie. >Just (invoke) do often and repeat, if not's work try another thing. >dont waste time. >or do eye-gazing in a mirror and focus in your forehead and try to focus in the effects of scrying and let your mind made up a second-body next to you. (there's a jewish german kaballist that did the same but with imaginary letters rounding around in the mirror and other things) >Timothy Leary or Terence McKenna... or other i dont remember (maybe related to gateway tapes) or focus on a Buzz sound like a alien sound (if you got tinnitus it's more easy or just use sound like old school lucid tapes, self hand made loops with a computer or try some trance I mean , I know for example this could be considered just normal and simple (if not a little bit exoterically stupid) numerology. is just that historical numerology and modern numerlogy , are different enough that I feel some new labels and separations are nesesary. you are correct that this is just a new flavor of astral stuff. the main reason I do the stuff I do , is because I want it to be exact and presise in just going to the world of numbers as an axiom. and no were else. that precision can be important when mixxing other stuff so it doesn't actually merge with each other. to try to get rid of overlap.

>>19693 >>19694 I think that a part of it , is that the dust bunny psi. its missing the reason it exists in the first place. because this was the second best example , to explain. I can't just explain another weird math concept. its something that makes more sence in its relation to a use. but I can't explain the use. I guess the best way to put it , is interacting with a matematical object , without changing its objective cualities , but it might just feel like me imagining a coin , then turning it into ronald MacDonald and then telling you that clown is still a coin trust me. a lot of people would find that completely retarded.

>>19785 ignore the bust bunny psi stuff , is just how I call the mist trick. forgot to change that part back on.

>>19693 let me go with another simple example. paranormal math isn't always paranormal stuff centered around math , but also math stuff centered around the paranormal. lets call this a white mirror. first the white mirror needs a method of interaction , that changes something about it. this mirror of course glimses to other places , how the glimpsing works and how it looks I would leave too you. this mirror could be any shape , that is also made out of smaller examples of itself , please make it finite. you then just need to represent some kind of fate situation via using some kind of representation of this small shapes. EX. pick the first half and then after every hour reduce the number to 1. with stuff like this you are meant to represent and interact with fate. use whatever movement method you have and see in the mirror , this should give you some talk about how that probability turned out. you would mainly want to use it , to fish information and dynamics about different fates. I do admit the information and changes is pretty bad raw , unless you are a intuition asended master , so you should use other stuff for it to be usefull. the main thing this configuration gives , is two useful attributes. 1.- you should be able to affect the mini shapes that create the overall shape , to in one way or another , change your odds. 2.- even if not changed you do have an object that can represent the fate of something , trough which you can also with something. but really most of the actual interaction in this is paranormal in nature , but the math should not be underestimated. probability is gonna be the language you use to talk about fate , they are not one in the same. and knowing the languge of probability fully , should open a lot of doors for you. you could make this practice with a similar logic , but I feel like having an understanding that it is based on probability should be very useful for our era. we in theory can use weird probability theories and concepts to make stuff more powerful or exoteric. or just to have fun :D